Story Poster
Photo by Jack Mackenzie - SicEm365
Baylor Basketball

Gameday Thread: #18 Baylor (15-5; 4-3) vs #12 Iowa State (16-4; 5-2)

February 2, 2024
89,358

#18 Baylor (15-5; 4-3) welcomes #12 Iowa State (16-4; 5-2) to Foster Pavilion Saturday February 3rd at 7pm CST.  The game will be televised on ESPN2.  

KenPom Prediction:  Baylor 75 Iowa State 72

Torvik Prediction:  Iowa State 74 Baylor 73

Evan Miyakawa:  Baylor 75 Iowa State 73

Haslametrics:  Baylor 73 Iowa State 72

Coaches

Iowa State:  TJ Otzleberger (46) 156-93 (57-31 at ISU); 4 NCAAs; Sweet 16

Baylor:  Scott Drew (53); 456-248 overall (436-237 at Baylor); 11 NCAAs; 5 Sweet 16s; 3 Elite 8s; FF; 1 National Championship

Head to Head:  3-2 Otzleberger

Iowa State Starters

Guard:  Tamin Lipsey (SO) 6-1 200 lbs; 14 ppg; 5 reb; 6 asst; 3 st; 44% FG; 37% 3pt; 67% FT

Guard:  JKeshon Gilbert (JR) 6-4 200 lbs; 14 ppg; 5 reb; 4 asst; 47% FG; 26% 3pt; 72% FT

Forward: Tre King (SR) 6-7 230 lbs; 10 ppg; 6 reb; 54% FG; 30% 3pt; 80% FT

Forward:  Milan Momcilovic (FR) 6-8 220 lbs; 13 ppg; 4 reb; 47% FG; 41% 3pt; 85% FT

Forward:  Robert Jones (SR) 6-10 255 lbs; 9 ppg; 4 reb; 67% FG; 52% FT

Iowa State Bench

Guard:  Curtis Jones (SR) 6-4 190 lbs; 10 ppg; 3 reb; 2 steals; 39% FG; 34% 3pt; 76% FT

Forward:  Hason Ward (SR) 6-9 230 lbs; 7 ppg; 4 reb; 62% FG; 53% FT

Forward:  Demarion Watson (SR) 6-7 220 lbs; 2 ppg; 2 reb; 50% FG; 100% 3pt; 58% FT

Baylor Starters

Guard:  RayJ Dennis (SR) 6-3 180 lbs; 13 ppg; 4 reb; 7 asst;  49% FG; 36% 3pt; 69% FT

Guard:  Jayden Nunn (JR) 6-3 190 lbs; 9 ppg; 3 reb; 2 asst; 44% FG; 41% 3pt; 67% FT 

Guard:  Ja’Kobe Walter (FR) 6-5 185 lbs; 15 ppg; 5 reb; 2 asst; 40% FG; 36% 3pt; 85% FT

Forward:  Jalen Bridges (JR) 6-9 225 lbs; 11 ppg; 5 reb; 2 asst; 44% FG; 37% 3pt; 85% FT

Forward:  Yves Missi (FR) 6-11 220 lbs; 10 ppg; 6 reb; 2 blocks; 64% FG; 51% FT

Baylor Bench

Guard:  Langston Love (SO) 6-5 210 lbs; 12 ppg; 3 reb; 47% FG; 50% 3pt; 84% FT

Forward:  Caleb Lohner (JR) 6-8 235 lbs; 3 ppg; 2 reb; 55% FG; 29% 3pt; 75% FT

Forward:  Josh Ojianwuna (SO) 6-10 240 lbs; 5 ppg; 3 reb; 79% FG; 65% FT

Guard:  Miro Little (FR) 6-4 185 lbs; 2 ppg; 50% FG; 44% 3pt; 77% FT

Discussion from...

Gameday Thread: #18 Baylor (15-5; 4-3) vs #12 Iowa State (16-4; 5-2)

42,361 Views | 551 Replies | Last: 3 mo ago by Killing Floor
Quinton
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to SoonerFrogs • 10:45p, 2/3/24
SoonerFrogs said:
Mack brought the heat in post game. It's about time.


Rightfully so. Time to stop the great people routine for two seconds and take some respect.
Reply Quote
1
Guitarbiscuit
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Fre3dombear • 10:46p, 2/3/24
Fre3dombear said:
I know plenty people of people didn't agree with my free throw comments a couple of weeks ago.

It's there and been there if you just observe close enough.

Tonight….again but escaped

Yep, it doesn't matter if you shoot 78 percent from the free throw line if you are 3 for 9 in crunch time.
Reply Quote
1
Fre3dombear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Guitarbiscuit • 10:47p, 2/3/24
Guitarbiscuit said:
Fre3dombear said:
I know plenty people of people didn't agree with my free throw comments a couple of weeks ago.

It's there and been there if you just observe close enough.

Tonight….again but escaped

Yep, it doesn't matter if you shoot 78 percent from the free throw line if you are 3 for 9 in crunch time.


Bingo. This guy gets it.
Reply Quote
1
Guitarbiscuit
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Fre3dombear • 10:49p, 2/3/24
Fre3dombear said:
Guitarbiscuit said:
Fre3dombear said:
I know plenty people of people didn't agree with my free throw comments a couple of weeks ago.

It's there and been there if you just observe close enough.

Tonight….again but escaped

Yep, it doesn't matter if you shoot 78 percent from the free throw line if you are 3 for 9 in crunch time.


Bingo. This guy gets it.

I generally absorb about 1 thing per month. This is it for February.
Reply Quote
1
boognish_bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to whitetrash • 11:04p, 2/3/24
whitetrash said:
Oldbear83 said:
DanaDane said:
I don't have an issue with the first T. That was because he was on the court, and he was and does it frequently. It's rampant in college basketball and has essentially created 5 on 6 and needs to be stopped. Shaka Smart is one of the worst at it. Calipari does it too. Although tonight TJ should have also gotten one because he did it frequently as well.

The other two techs? I won't be convinced those were for anything other than spite. As you know from being an official, good refs let those things slide even if they hear a slight comment. That one slicked back ref was jawing with Drew two minutes into the game. He almost looked like HE was the one instigating things from afar. Maybe Drew will explain.
That's one of the things you never hear about. There is a shortage of officials, not to mention good ones.

Back when I reffed, the chapter worked to weed out bad officials and coach salvageable officials to improve. Basketball is hard for that, because you have a lot of games and only so many officials. With a shortage of qualified officials now, you see a lot more like what happened tonight. YouTube is full of such incidents,

Officiating crews always do a pre-game review, and usually that's a good thing. You pay attention to the last few games by each team, and you remind your crew what to look for to keep the game safe and flowing smooth.

Tonight's game had a lot of importance. A prime-time game on ESPN, both teams ranked and in the thick of the conference race, and with the earlier results a win or loss would be huge for both Iowa State and Baylor.

Without knowing more, I'd say the officials wanted to call a tight game and let ISU's coaches ride them to the point of bias. Drew has always been more reserved in terms of working officials, and sometimes that hurts him.

Something like being outside your place on the floor should only be called if egregious and affects game play. Neither of those was true. Keep in mind we saw the officials get chippy early in how they spoke to players. I suspect rather than cooling off at halftime, the crew decided they were not being tough enough. and we all saw where that led.



I'm as big a critic of ADMR as anyone, but his comments on the radio postgame show:

Big12 is the premier league in the nation, it's a dogfight every game, and the officials have to be up to the task. And tonight was an embarrassment.


Glad to hear he was critical. I hardly ever comment on reffing....but that was an abomination tonight.
Reply Quote
2
Fre3dombear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Guitarbiscuit • 11:11p, 2/3/24
Guitarbiscuit said:
Fre3dombear said:
Guitarbiscuit said:
Fre3dombear said:
I know plenty people of people didn't agree with my free throw comments a couple of weeks ago.

It's there and been there if you just observe close enough.

Tonight….again but escaped

Yep, it doesn't matter if you shoot 78 percent from the free throw line if you are 3 for 9 in crunch time.


Bingo. This guy gets it.

I generally absorb about 1 thing per month. This is it for February.


You're averaging 1 more than me
Reply Quote
1
Guitarbiscuit
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
11:13p, 2/3/24
Reply Quote
1 edit
Guitarbiscuit
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
11:32p, 2/3/24

Here's another game Hartness was officiating this year. While I don't condone flipping off an official, this crew managed to call 6 techs in the game and ejected the head coach as well. Something tells me what Horne did was out of frustration at the horrible officiating in the game.


https://www.highschoolot.com/story/nc-state-s-dj-horne-reprimanded-for-unsportsmanlike-gesture-toward-ref-against-wake-forest/21241336/
Reply Quote
EvilTroyAndAbed
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to BUGWBBear • 11:38p, 2/3/24
BUGWBBear said:
We Are Baylor


We win, and you disappear. You're only around when things are going badly. Such a strange way to support the team.
Reply Quote
5
BUGWBBear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to EvilTroyAndAbed • 12:02a, 2/4/24
EvilTroyAndAbed said:
BUGWBBear said:
We Are Baylor


We win, and you disappear. You're only around when things are going badly. Such a strange way to support the team.


The hero of this game was the time clock operator. It should never have come to that. Dropping double digit leads in almost every single game at this new arena, piss-poor FT shooting, and lack of any kind of leadership on that floor does not help your cause, Pollyanna. The refs tried to shave as much as possible in order to get their sport book bets in the black. But at the same time, the inefficiency of this team has yet to be fixed.
Reply Quote
historian
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Quinton • 12:40a, 2/4/24
Quinton said:
DanaDane said:

The other two techs? I won't be convinced those were for anything other than spite. As you know from being an official, good refs let those things slide even if they hear a slight comment. That one slicked back ref was jawing with Drew two minutes into the game. He almost looked like HE was the one instigating things from afar. Maybe Drew will explain.


It was total nonsense. That official simply doesn't respect Drew or this team. He made it about him.

I believe it contributed to a 20-2 run or something unprecedented like that. Iowa st wasn't really any good this game. Would have been a robbery had they won.

Unfortunately the team was completely shook after the back to back to back to back to back techs, illegal screen, tech, illegal screen calls. Never seen anything like it.



In the postgame they said it was 20-0. I believe them because they probably had the stat sheet in front of them.
Reply Quote
boognish_bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
1:29a, 2/4/24
Reply Quote
1
boognish_bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
1:30a, 2/4/24
Go Mack

Reply Quote
2
boognish_bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
1:35a, 2/4/24
Reply Quote
2
boognish_bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
1:36a, 2/4/24
Reply Quote
2
boognish_bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
1:38a, 2/4/24
Fun vid

Reply Quote
3
boognish_bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
1:47a, 2/4/24
Reply Quote
6
whitetrash
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to historian • 4:57a, 2/4/24
historian said:
Quinton said:
DanaDane said:

The other two techs? I won't be convinced those were for anything other than spite. As you know from being an official, good refs let those things slide even if they hear a slight comment. That one slicked back ref was jawing with Drew two minutes into the game. He almost looked like HE was the one instigating things from afar. Maybe Drew will explain.


It was total nonsense. That official simply doesn't respect Drew or this team. He made it about him.

I believe it contributed to a 20-2 run or something unprecedented like that. Iowa st wasn't really any good this game. Would have been a robbery had they won.

Unfortunately the team was completely shook after the back to back to back to back to back techs, illegal screen, tech, illegal screen calls. Never seen anything like it.



In the postgame they said it was 20-0. I believe them because they probably had the stat sheet in front of them.
54-41 at 13:17. Bogus moving screen on EJ at 11:59 at 54-43. Shooting foul + Drew ejection at 11:20 led to 4 FTs to make it 54-48. Jakus T at 10:59 led to 2 more FTs. 54-50, followed immediately by 2 BU turnovers. A couple more missed shots and it was 61-54 at 7:56. Bridges finally hit corner 3 at 7:36.
Reply Quote
4
historian
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to whitetrash • 8:24a, 2/4/24
That's 20-0. Thanks for the breakdown
Reply Quote
1
Johnny Bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to boognish_bear • 9:23a, 2/4/24
boognish_bear said:
Go Mack


Good for Mack. Don't know if he's going to be facing any kind of repercussion for publicly speaking frankly like that, but even if so it's worth it and I'm glad he had the nads to say what needed to be said.
Reply Quote
3
Guitarbiscuit
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
12:39p, 2/4/24
Well if he gets in trouble, he can start a GoFundMe page. I'll contribute a few bucks.
Reply Quote
2
historian
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Guitarbiscuit • 12:49p, 2/4/24
I know you're joking but he's a millionaire. He can afford a $10k fine or whatever it might be.
Reply Quote
1
Guitarbiscuit
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to historian • 1:05p, 2/4/24
historian said:
I know you're joking but he's a millionaire. He can afford a $10k fine or whatever it might be.


I know, I'm just speaking for solidarity's sake.
Reply Quote
4
Psyclone
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to jdrs • 5:29p, 2/4/24
jdrs said:
Felt like we were playing at Phog Allen tonight.
Along those lines a Cyclone fan on social media posted "I love being Kansas".
Reply Quote
2
william
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
3:21p, 2/6/24
Reply Quote
Killing Floor
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
12:29p, 2/8/24
I took my wife to see her Longhorns get handled by Iowa State. I had a beer in the Moody Center. It was cool and refreshing. There were no negative consequences.
Reply Quote
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.