Gameday Thread: Baylor Hits Road To Take On No. 16 Iowa State

FLBear5630 said:

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CHP Bear said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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BUfan4ever said:

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The way I look at it, if we can just score more points than the other team we got a win in the bag!

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Well that's not gonna happen.

What you mentioned reminds me of something Clyde Drexler of the Houston Rockets told a reporter many years ago during one of the Rockets long playoff runs.


"Hey Clyde, what do you guys need to do to come out on top?"

"We need to score more points."

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If my memory serves me right, didn't we have that philosophy a few years ago? Seems like we forgot that truism.. Here's another, "You can't teach speed."

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That is something BU fan forgets. There has enough players at P5 level to win. BU does not have enough and we do not have any Travis Hunter/RG3 level to compensate.

Two areas I look at are O-line penalties and DB penalties. Holding/False Starts on O-line and d-holding/pass inference on DBs. Why do players do those things? Most say coaching. But the core reason is they are physically mismatched and they have to or get beat. You can compensate with zone blocking or zone coverages. Maybe move a DB to S or a OT to OG. But bottomline the talent mismatch will get you at this level. No amount of coaching is turning a G5 or Ivy lineman into an NFL quality linemen. That is what I see. A sprinkling of talent among a bunch of good kid Ivy/G5 types.

Problem is deeper than Aranda, started with Briles scandal and bandaids ever since. Rhule caught lightning and cashed as soon as possible, he knew. Aranda has one magic season before rules changed. BU isn't transfer portaling out of this. This has to be built with HS recruits. Anyone in portal is there for a reason, it didn't work somewhere else, grass is greener, I am too good for this school... Create a team from malcontents and you will have a team that will quit. I like the idea of the Tx St guy, a local with HC experience, that knows the TX core HSs BU needs. Someone that can grow with BU fans, gonna be lean years at first. Just one persons view.

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Solid post man, particualarly honing in on the fact that in the end, i it's about recruiting or lack thereof. Also, you're right-building a patchwork team with portal transfers generally means your play will be patchwork.

Sometimes parents of kids on the team don't like us pointing out the obvious as they think it reflects badly on their kid. But you know what-reality is reality. And if your kid is not Power 5 material, he's not Power 5 material. And about 25 percent of our starters are not Power 5 material. And if some people don't like what I'm saying, I really don't care.

Guitarbiscuit said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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CHP Bear said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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BUfan4ever said:

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The way I look at it, if we can just score more points than the other team we got a win in the bag!

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Well that's not gonna happen.

What you mentioned reminds me of something Clyde Drexler of the Houston Rockets told a reporter many years ago during one of the Rockets long playoff runs.


"Hey Clyde, what do you guys need to do to come out on top?"

"We need to score more points."

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If my memory serves me right, didn't we have that philosophy a few years ago? Seems like we forgot that truism.. Here's another, "You can't teach speed."

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That is something BU fan forgets. There has enough players at P5 level to win. BU does not have enough and we do not have any Travis Hunter/RG3 level to compensate.

Two areas I look at are O-line penalties and DB penalties. Holding/False Starts on O-line and d-holding/pass inference on DBs. Why do players do those things? Most say coaching. But the core reason is they are physically mismatched and they have to or get beat. You can compensate with zone blocking or zone coverages. Maybe move a DB to S or a OT to OG. But bottomline the talent mismatch will get you at this level. No amount of coaching is turning a G5 or Ivy lineman into an NFL quality linemen. That is what I see. A sprinkling of talent among a bunch of good kid Ivy/G5 types.

Problem is deeper than Aranda, started with Briles scandal and bandaids ever since. Rhule caught lightning and cashed as soon as possible, he knew. Aranda has one magic season before rules changed. BU isn't transfer portaling out of this. This has to be built with HS recruits. Anyone in portal is there for a reason, it didn't work somewhere else, grass is greener, I am too good for this school... Create a team from malcontents and you will have a team that will quit. I like the idea of the Tx St guy, a local with HC experience, that knows the TX core HSs BU needs. Someone that can grow with BU fans, gonna be lean years at first. Just one persons view.

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Solid post man, particualarly honing in on the fact that in the end, i it's about recruiting or lack thereof. Also, you're right-building a patchwork team with portal transfers generally means your play will be patchwork.

Sometimes parents of kids on the team don't like us pointing out the obvious as they think it reflects badly on their kid. But you know what-reality is reality. And if your kid is not Power 5 material, he's not Power 5 material. And about 25 percent of our starters are not Power 5 material. And if some people don't like what I'm saying, I really don't care.

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It is not about liking or reflecting on the players, especially in the NIL world. The biggest mistake I think player and parents make is believing that a scholarship and now NIL is a reward for a great HS career. It is not, it is about the potential to play at the higher level. What you did in HS and whatever accolades, means jack.

I see BU being in conflict. We all like the good kid that wants to play at Baylor get a great education and does the academics and football well stays five years. The problem is that the P5 is not being won with those type of players. It is being won with kids with NFL talent that are looking to get to the league in one year if they can pull it off. They want to be paid and that is separate from on the field production. You don't like it or worse if they find something (whatever it may be) that they don't like they are in the portal. How does a school like BU compete in that world? The one guy we had that would absolutely excel, Briles, is gone. Aranda? He is the guy you would love as your Brother in Law or kids teacher, buy P5 football?

FLBear5630 said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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CHP Bear said:

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Guitarbiscuit said:

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BUfan4ever said:

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The way I look at it, if we can just score more points than the other team we got a win in the bag!

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Well that's not gonna happen.

What you mentioned reminds me of something Clyde Drexler of the Houston Rockets told a reporter many years ago during one of the Rockets long playoff runs.


"Hey Clyde, what do you guys need to do to come out on top?"

"We need to score more points."

---

If my memory serves me right, didn't we have that philosophy a few years ago? Seems like we forgot that truism.. Here's another, "You can't teach speed."

---

That is something BU fan forgets. There has enough players at P5 level to win. BU does not have enough and we do not have any Travis Hunter/RG3 level to compensate.

Two areas I look at are O-line penalties and DB penalties. Holding/False Starts on O-line and d-holding/pass inference on DBs. Why do players do those things? Most say coaching. But the core reason is they are physically mismatched and they have to or get beat. You can compensate with zone blocking or zone coverages. Maybe move a DB to S or a OT to OG. But bottomline the talent mismatch will get you at this level. No amount of coaching is turning a G5 or Ivy lineman into an NFL quality linemen. That is what I see. A sprinkling of talent among a bunch of good kid Ivy/G5 types.

Problem is deeper than Aranda, started with Briles scandal and bandaids ever since. Rhule caught lightning and cashed as soon as possible, he knew. Aranda has one magic season before rules changed. BU isn't transfer portaling out of this. This has to be built with HS recruits. Anyone in portal is there for a reason, it didn't work somewhere else, grass is greener, I am too good for this school... Create a team from malcontents and you will have a team that will quit. I like the idea of the Tx St guy, a local with HC experience, that knows the TX core HSs BU needs. Someone that can grow with BU fans, gonna be lean years at first. Just one persons view.

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Solid post man, particualarly honing in on the fact that in the end, i it's about recruiting or lack thereof. Also, you're right-building a patchwork team with portal transfers generally means your play will be patchwork.

Sometimes parents of kids on the team don't like us pointing out the obvious as they think it reflects badly on their kid. But you know what-reality is reality. And if your kid is not Power 5 material, he's not Power 5 material. And about 25 percent of our starters are not Power 5 material. And if some people don't like what I'm saying, I really don't care.

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It is not about liking or reflecting on the players, especially in the NIL world. The biggest mistake I think player and parents make is believing that a scholarship and now NIL is a reward for a great HS career. It is not, it is about the potential to play at the higher level. What you did in HS and whatever accolades, means jack.

I see BU being in conflict. We all like the good kid that wants to play at Baylor get a great education and does the academics and football well stays five years. The problem is that the P5 is not being won with those type of players. It is being won with kids with NFL talent that are looking to get to the league in one year if they can pull it off. They want to be paid and that is separate from on the field production. You don't like it or worse if they find something (whatever it may be) that they don't like they are in the portal. How does a school like BU compete in that world? The one guy we had that would absolutely excel, Briles, is gone. Aranda? He is the guy you would love as your Brother in Law or kids teacher, buy P5 football?

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I think the skillset required for a college coach today is way different. You need a guy who can take a shuffled deck every year and scheme the best he can with the given hand. This person needs to focus on ball and ball only.
The recruiting, retention, evaluation needs ro be handled by a GM ... and yes that is a role in college sports at some schools today. Frankly, you don't even need a super motivator since these kids come in pretty jaded already. Just call ball.
As much as this stubborn old fart hates to admit it, you know who deals with frequent change better than most? Kids. Look for the main faces with the headsets to get a LOT younger. We're already seeing the olds leaving (Saban, Stoops) and others making it clear they are fed up with it (Gundy, Dabo).