Portal QBs

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Big_Pumpin
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RMF5630 said:

Bigkahunaww said:

Any ideas ?




Maybe Sawyer Robertson ?

https://247sports.com/player/sawyer-robertson-46059515/

Interesting scouting report.


Time for Baylor to close on a top talent QB, Grimes got him on campus. Aranda needs to close. This off sets Novosad loss. Assistants job is to get them on campus, HC has to close. Can CDA close. One thing Rhule and Briles did well was close. Come on Dave!


So you're saying we need to close?
boognish_bear
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Big_Pumpin said:

RMF5630 said:

Bigkahunaww said:

Any ideas ?




Maybe Sawyer Robertson ?

https://247sports.com/player/sawyer-robertson-46059515/

Interesting scouting report.


Time for Baylor to close on a top talent QB, Grimes got him on campus. Aranda needs to close. This off sets Novosad loss. Assistants job is to get them on campus, HC has to close. Can CDA close. One thing Rhule and Briles did well was close. Come on Dave!


So you're saying we need to close?


My opinion is we should always be closing
FLBear5630
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Big_Pumpin said:

RMF5630 said:

Bigkahunaww said:

Any ideas ?




Maybe Sawyer Robertson ?

https://247sports.com/player/sawyer-robertson-46059515/

Interesting scouting report.


Time for Baylor to close on a top talent QB, Grimes got him on campus. Aranda needs to close. This off sets Novosad loss. Assistants job is to get them on campus, HC has to close. Can CDA close. One thing Rhule and Briles did well was close. Come on Dave!


So you're saying we need to close?


Yeah, I think it would be a good thing? Or, do your think a near miss would be more beneficial? Would give the talking heads something to cluck over...
FLBear5630
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boognish_bear said:

Big_Pumpin said:

RMF5630 said:

Bigkahunaww said:

Any ideas ?




Maybe Sawyer Robertson ?

https://247sports.com/player/sawyer-robertson-46059515/

Interesting scouting report.


Time for Baylor to close on a top talent QB, Grimes got him on campus. Aranda needs to close. This off sets Novosad loss. Assistants job is to get them on campus, HC has to close. Can CDA close. One thing Rhule and Briles did well was close. Come on Dave!


So you're saying we need to close?


My opinion is we should always be closing


That is the point, if you can't close what good are you?
robby44
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boognish_bear said:

Big_Pumpin said:

RMF5630 said:

Bigkahunaww said:

Any ideas ?




Maybe Sawyer Robertson ?

https://247sports.com/player/sawyer-robertson-46059515/

Interesting scouting report.


Time for Baylor to close on a top talent QB, Grimes got him on campus. Aranda needs to close. This off sets Novosad loss. Assistants job is to get them on campus, HC has to close. Can CDA close. One thing Rhule and Briles did well was close. Come on Dave!


So you're saying we need to close?


My opinion is we should always be closing


"Get them to sign on the line which is dotted. A-B-C. A... Always, B... Be, C... Closing. Always be closing. ALWAYS BE CLOSING!"
boognish_bear
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One of the best scenes ever

BaylorGrad09
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boognish_bear said:

One of the best scenes ever




My immediate thought when people started talking about closing
boognish_bear
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BaylorGrad09 said:

boognish_bear said:

One of the best scenes ever




My immediate thought when people started talking about closing
The SNL spoof of it was pretty funny
BaylorGrad09
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The hardest part about QBs is generally there can only be one. If Baylor gets a 4* QB that's promised the start job over Shapen, what are the odds Shapen enters the portal on his own. Someone would take him as a starter. They may not be P5 but there's going to be a spot open for him.

The merry go round at single starter positions (QB, Kicker) is going to be hard for coaches to manage until they figure something out with NIL. Hard to go sit on the bench and wait with the portal and needy teams out there.
boognish_bear
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BaylorGrad09 said:

The hardest part about QBs is generally there can only be one. If Baylor gets a 4* QB that's promised the start job over Shapen, what are the odds Shapen enters the portal on his own. Someone would take him as a starter. They may not be P5 but there's going to be a spot open for him.

The merry go round at single starter positions (QB, Kicker) is going to be hard for coaches to manage until they figure something out with NIL. Hard to go sit on the bench and wait with the portal and needy teams out there.
Yep....unless some change is made to the rules I think this is the new reality for college teams...especially at the QB position.

We may see more movement later in the Spring as teams name QB1s. Wonder if some coach's will delay naming QB1s in an attempt to try and hang on to 2.
GoodOleBaylorLine
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Not sure I buy that. I am not going waste my time looking, but I bet Baylor is one of the few, if not only, P5 teams with one QB on the roster. It was just mishandled by staff.

Oregon, for example, has 4 QBs on their 2023 roster including Novasod who they flipped from us. Not all those guys are starting obviously, but I bet in their mind they will.
FLBear5630
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BaylorGrad09 said:

The hardest part about QBs is generally there can only be one. If Baylor gets a 4* QB that's promised the start job over Shapen, what are the odds Shapen enters the portal on his own. Someone would take him as a starter. They may not be P5 but there's going to be a spot open for him.

The merry go round at single starter positions (QB, Kicker) is going to be hard for coaches to manage until they figure something out with NIL. Hard to go sit on the bench and wait with the portal and needy teams out there.
I disagree with that. A lot of top schools have more than 1. Where I think things get messed up is spacing. When they get too close, one has to leave or be content as a backup.

The question is do they want open competition? If so, then a top talent with 1 or 2 years is ok, but Shapen will bolt if he loses. If the kid has 3 or 4 years, then it could work. You can't keep going with 1 P5 quality guy and nobody else that can compete.
Stefano DiMera
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Like Aranda should have last year?
FLBear5630
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Stefano DiMera said:

Like Aranda should have last year?
I think Aranda learned a lot of lessons last year. I really think he was acting under the old paradigm and miscalculated the changes NIL and the Portal would mean.

Just the way Baylor handled NIL, it appears they believed it would not impact the level of player BU recruits and attracts. I have even read that on the Premium Board, that we won't be impacted due to the high 3 stars and low 4 stars we recruit. They were dead wrong.
GoodOleBaylorLine
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RMF5630 said:




Just the way Baylor handled NIL, it appears they believed it would not impact the level of player BU recruits and attracts. I have even read that on the Premium Board, that we won't be impacted due to the high 3 stars and low 4 stars we recruit. They were dead wrong.
Doesn't even make sense. Everyone has money to spend. Just depends on how high you can go, and where it runs out.

A team like Ole Miss is more than happy to pay their 4* target because the 5* they want is unattainable with Bama paying more than they can possibly afford. Reality.
GoodOleBaylorLine
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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

RMF5630 said:




Just the way Baylor handled NIL, it appears they believed it would not impact the level of player BU recruits and attracts. I have even read that on the Premium Board, that we won't be impacted due to the high 3 stars and low 4 stars we recruit. They were dead wrong.
Doesn't even make sense. Everyone has money to spend. Just depends on how high you can go, and where it runs out.

A team like Ole Miss is more than happy to pay their 4* target because the 5* they want is unattainable with Bama paying more than they can possibly afford.

If Baylor is not willing to pay that 4*, then they're paying 3* - less, but something. Because somebody else will.

Reality.
parch
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I agree with you here, specifically on the 3* front. I think most people thought - and my read is that Aranda is one of them by his actions - that the types of high 3* players our program is almost entirely built on wouldn't be as hard-hit or require as much of an NIL pitch as the obvious 4 and 5* guys who are apparently now completely out of our price range.

That has already turned out to be false. 3* guys are in the NIL recruitment arena as well, and our collective game is exceedingly weak. We have a player-led collective which is almost useless, as many of them are, and the external collective - which only just fired up in October - requires players to achieve a bunch of benchmarks like community service, Startup Waco promotion, and participation in a bunch of education initiatives in order to unlock any payments. Add to that we don't even know how much it pays out after that or how it scales.

I'm not saying that those benchmarks are bad in a vacuum, but as a competitive offer it sucks. Other major external collectives literally just give you a base NIL salary for being in the program. We currently can't compete with that.

Fundraising for coaches used to be going on offseason speaking tours to the alumni base. Now it's also based around the collectives, and the jury is absolutely out with Aranda - and to be fair many coaches - as to whether he has any idea what he's doing around it.
boognish_bear
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parch said:



Other major external collectives literally just give you a base NIL salary for being in the program. We currently can't compete with that.


I agree with your overall sentiment that it feels like BU is lagging behind other in the NIL game, but from something I read earlier it does sound like for the football team we did have a "base" NIL salary for players. It was some amount over a million dollars that was split among 125 football players including walk-ons. The article said the players were in "5 figures."

So I'm guessing the players had a base of somewhere around $10,000 to $15,000.
parch
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boognish_bear said:

parch said:



Other major external collectives literally just give you a base NIL salary for being in the program. We currently can't compete with that.


I agree with your overall sentiment that it feels like BU is lagging behind other in the NIL game, but from something I read earlier it does sound like for the football team we did have a "base" NIL salary for players. It was some amount over a million dollars that was split among 125 football players including walk-ons. The article said the players were in "5 figures."

So I'm guessing the players had a base of somewhere around $10,000 to $15,000.
I'm basing my info off the initial announcement, which included this:

Quote:

In order to be paid, players will have to complete specific benchmarks such as engaging in the community; promoting the work of Startup Waco and its partners; and participating in NIL education and other development programming. Scheduling the majority of these checkpoints will take place after the football season ends.

For one, we know the collective hasn't paid anything out yet from this fund at least because they said they wouldn't.

But this is also a different setup from others. Tech's, SMU's, A&M's et al pay out monthly as if you're an employee for any company. The Matador Club and many others have literally called it a base salary.

Ours is set up to only pay you once you jump through XYZ hoops, and even then we have no idea how competitive it is because they don't release figures. If I'm a player and you're telling me I can earn more for doing less at X vs. Y, we're simply walking through a fantasy land where our upright moral fiber will convince players regardless of the NIL figure in the mix.

There is a concerning trend among some Baylor fans to downplay NIL because the players we want won't be interested in money, they'll simply want to be here by virtue of how amazing we are and anyone who chose a higher paying program over us is a shark who shouldn't be here to begin with. That may have been true when money was passing illicitly under the table, but it's certainly not true in the majority of cases anymore.
boognish_bear
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Ok Parch....you are right...there are strings attached....it's not a blanket "base salary." I went back and looked at the article again and it does mention them having to do certain things to get the NIL:

"All football players, including walk-ons, can earn what is estimated to be tens of thousands of dollars by participating in this NIL deal. Baylor lists 112 players on their online roster.

This news comes on the heels of a sour loss last night to West Virginia, but it is still good news nevertheless.

If all players are paid in that five-figure range then the total deal size will be worth well over a million dollars. And Startup Waco plans to continue this deal as long as they can, which could boost future recruiting classes.

In order to be paid, players will have to complete specific benchmarks such as engaging in the community; promoting the work of Startup Waco and its partners; and participating in NIL education and other development programming. Scheduling the majority of these checkpoints will take place after the football season ends."
boognish_bear
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This is a NIL deal Mich St has with all of it's football, men's and women's basketball, and women's volleyball players. All players whether scholarship or walk-on can earn $700 a month if they will help advertise through their personal social media.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220908005353/en/United-Wholesale-Mortgage-Expands-Massive-NIL-Deal-With-MSU-Athletes

"Whether a star player or a walk-on, the sponsorship will provide all athletes up to $700 per month for the full year pending the completion of social media promotional posts assigned by UWM. The posts will be pushed out on athletes' social accounts, and will focus on the benefits of working with an independent mortgage broker, in addition to the career opportunities available at UWM's headquarters in Pontiac, Mich."
Russell Gym
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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

Not sure I buy that. I am not going waste my time looking, but I bet Baylor is one of the few, if not only, P5 teams with one QB on the roster. It was just mishandled by staff.

Oregon, for example, has 4 QBs on their 2023 roster including Novasod who they flipped from us. Not all those guys are starting obviously, but I bet in their mind they will.


Not only will they not all start, they will all not stay. Best scenario for Oregon is keeping 50 percent. And each year, there will be a shiny new class of portal transfers and HS QBs for them to sign. Never ending.
FLBear5630
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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

RMF5630 said:




Just the way Baylor handled NIL, it appears they believed it would not impact the level of player BU recruits and attracts. I have even read that on the Premium Board, that we won't be impacted due to the high 3 stars and low 4 stars we recruit. They were dead wrong.
Doesn't even make sense. Everyone has money to spend. Just depends on how high you can go, and where it runs out.

A team like Ole Miss is more than happy to pay their 4* target because the 5* they want is unattainable with Bama paying more than they can possibly afford. Reality.
My understanding is that the only ones getting big money were 5 star and high 4 stars, the rest would be happy with the 35k level. I think the money is going further downstream than what was originally expected.
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Russell Gym said:

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

Not sure I buy that. I am not going waste my time looking, but I bet Baylor is one of the few, if not only, P5 teams with one QB on the roster. It was just mishandled by staff.

Oregon, for example, has 4 QBs on their 2023 roster including Novasod who they flipped from us. Not all those guys are starting obviously, but I bet in their mind they will.


Not only will they not all start, they will all not stay. Best scenario for Oregon is keeping 50 percent. And each year, there will be a shiny new class of portal transfers and HS QBs for them to sign. Never ending.
As long as Nike keeps funneling the money (or reshuffling from those that left)
boognish_bear
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parch said:

boognish_bear said:

parch said:



Other major external collectives literally just give you a base NIL salary for being in the program. We currently can't compete with that.


I agree with your overall sentiment that it feels like BU is lagging behind other in the NIL game, but from something I read earlier it does sound like for the football team we did have a "base" NIL salary for players. It was some amount over a million dollars that was split among 125 football players including walk-ons. The article said the players were in "5 figures."

So I'm guessing the players had a base of somewhere around $10,000 to $15,000.
I'm basing my info off the initial announcement, which included this:

Quote:

In order to be paid, players will have to complete specific benchmarks such as engaging in the community; promoting the work of Startup Waco and its partners; and participating in NIL education and other development programming. Scheduling the majority of these checkpoints will take place after the football season ends.


But this is also a different setup from others. Tech's, SMU's, A&M's et al pay out monthly as if you're an employee for any company. The Matador Club and many others have literally called it a base salary.


This article about the Matador Club says the football players can earn $25,000....but it does mention they have to participate in community service. Who knows how extensive that could be?

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/sports/2022/07/19/texas-tech-football-players-to-receive--25-000-nil-deal
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parch said:

boognish_bear said:

parch said:



Other major external collectives literally just give you a base NIL salary for being in the program. We currently can't compete with that.


I agree with your overall sentiment that it feels like BU is lagging behind other in the NIL game, but from something I read earlier it does sound like for the football team we did have a "base" NIL salary for players. It was some amount over a million dollars that was split among 125 football players including walk-ons. The article said the players were in "5 figures."

So I'm guessing the players had a base of somewhere around $10,000 to $15,000.
I'm basing my info off the initial announcement, which included this:

Quote:

In order to be paid, players will have to complete specific benchmarks such as engaging in the community; promoting the work of Startup Waco and its partners; and participating in NIL education and other development programming. Scheduling the majority of these checkpoints will take place after the football season ends.

For one, we know the collective hasn't paid anything out yet from this fund at least because they said they wouldn't.

But this is also a different setup from others. Tech's, SMU's, A&M's et al pay out monthly as if you're an employee for any company. The Matador Club and many others have literally called it a base salary.

Ours is set up to only pay you once you jump through XYZ hoops, and even then we have no idea how competitive it is because they don't release figures. If I'm a player and you're telling me I can earn more for doing less at X vs. Y, we're simply walking through a fantasy land where our upright moral fiber will convince players regardless of the NIL figure in the mix.

There is a concerning trend among some Baylor fans to downplay NIL because the players we want won't be interested in money, they'll simply want to be here by virtue of how amazing we are and anyone who chose a higher paying program over us is a shark who shouldn't be here to begin with. That may have been true when money was passing illicitly under the table, but it's certainly not true in the majority of cases anymore.
Your last paragraph here was the attitude of Baylor and Baylor Nation regarding coaches and coaching salaries and facilities as well up until the time we were looking to replace Steele. This attitude lead us into the dark times in the first place. I hope to God we understand the revolutionized landscape now and nip this in the bud now and not wait for it to kill us for a decade or so before we grasp the situation.
parch
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The primary difference in the Matador Club, New Boulevard Collective and frankly every one I've read about from a major program in the state is that those service standards are both minimal and assumed. You're locked into the payment from the minute you start, hence the base salary statements from NIL boosters. The requirements are just part of the normal rhythms of the year.

Ours is backward. At least as initially set up, you get nothing of that standard for joining. You have certain promo and service standards to meet, and only once you've done that do you see any money. Again, that's just how Start Up Waco has explained their payment scheme. I don't know why anyone would choose that on its face.

In other words, many other P5 programs we're competing against are paying good salaries. We're essentially paying an hourly wage at a rate I wouldn't be surprised to learn is substandard.
Mitch Blood Green
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BaylorGrad09 said:

The hardest part about QBs is generally there can only be one. If Baylor gets a 4* QB that's promised the start job over Shapen, what are the odds Shapen enters the portal on his own. Someone would take him as a starter. They may not be P5 but there's going to be a spot open for him.

The merry go round at single starter positions (QB, Kicker) is going to be hard for coaches to manage until they figure something out with NIL. Hard to go sit on the bench and wait with the portal and needy teams out there.

Low chance he enters the portal. Besides, we lost a NY Day bowl winner, a 5 star and lost a top recruit to Oregon. But we worry about Shapen?

Let's bring back Brewer and go into 2023 with Shapen and Brewer. Maybe get the Prestonwood starter.
Daveisabovereproach
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Well apparently we are hosting Sawyer Robertson on campus this weekend. I hope we are reaching out to Braden Locke as well and not putting all of our ducks in one basket (again). I think either of those guys are takes.
PartyBear
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All our ducks in a basket. I see what you did there?
Daveisabovereproach
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PartyBear said:

All our ducks in a basket. I see what you did there?


I hope the staff doesn't lay an egg here
Stefano DiMera
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We still have that all female buxom recruiting group?...or did that go by the wayside?
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Stefano DiMera said:

We still have that all female buxom recruiting group?...or did that go by the wayside?


Probably gone. No more hot chicks, no more hitting the bars, no more paying players. None of that stuff is a "fit for Baylor" as a certain coach would say
boognish_bear
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Stefano DiMera said:

We still have that all female buxom recruiting group?...or did that go by the wayside?
Is the Destiny Wilson girl from LSU in the transfer portal yet?
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