Here is Baylor's Letter To Briles

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Malbec said:

Keyser Soze said:

Malbec said:

Keyser Soze said:

Robert Wilson said:

Smear campaign
Truth is an absolute defense to a defamation action


Your telling me Shillinglaw and Briles are walking away from money ?
Most often the defense is, "We didn't know for sure that is was untrue when we said it."

It is a basis of defense for the negligence / reckless disregard portion, but not at all a get out of jail free card.


So do you believe two lawyers, Gray & Harper, sincerely believed 19/17/4 to be true when they said it to the WSJ?






Are you saying they knew it wasn't true?
No

Do You (Mr Malbec) think they knowingly put out false information or do you think they believed it to be true?


I believe they put plenty of spin on it.

lumping the two together alone was an attempt to make it all about sex.

it might be 15 domestic and 2 sex for all we know... and the domestic could have been loud arguments... did have to reach Mixon level
Based on other info I known rape may be close to 8 or 9 - no argument it better to separate.
how many of the 8-9 were actually just drunk sex with second thoughts?

I'm guessing most since only one player has ever been convicted


All of them although some weren't even drunk.

Baylor women are liars? Not buying it.


The problem is being able to tell which ones.

As always. "All of them" is way out of bounds given what we know and don't know.
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Dungeon Athletics said:

Keyser Soze said:

Malbec said:

Keyser Soze said:

Robert Wilson said:

Smear campaign
Truth is an absolute defense to a defamation action


Your telling me Shillinglaw and Briles are walking away from money ?
Most often the defense is, "We didn't know for sure that is was untrue when we said it."

It is a basis of defense for the negligence / reckless disregard portion, but not at all a get out of jail free card.


So do you believe two lawyers, Gray & Harper, sincerely believed 19/17/4 to be true when they said it to the WSJ?

I'm sure they came up with a list of incidents that could be construed as allegations of sexual or domestic assault, so that they could claim they believed it was technically accurate. I read somewhere that the list included Chafin grabbing his girlfriend's arm and Dixon punching the guy who took his stuff as "domestic assault" allegations, but I don't know if that's true or not. But you can see how it isn't a black and white issue. I'm sure they categorized any incident involving more than 2 people as "gang rape".

So I'm sure they have a way of backing it up, no matter how far-fetched it might be so that no one can say they knew it was false. But I am 100% certain that they knew the 19/17/4 figures were misleading and intended them to be so. They absolutely knew people would read that and think there were 17 rape victims when they know that's not true.

Firing Briles instead of suspending him or employing any number of other remedies was beyond stupid, but I can forgive stupid. Making those statements to the WSJ was petty and selfish and helped feed the media narrative that Baylor is Rape U. And that is inexcusable and unforgivable. Those three Pharisees should be banned from Baylor for life for that alone.
I think this post most closely encapsulates the truth (in my opinion). I have no doubt they put out the largest number they could put out that they could legally get away with. Meaning, they would have enough legal standing to defend any label they put on any act no matter if anyone else would disagree with them (this is why they lumped everything together in my opinion, so they could generalize the acts easier and create a bigger number without having to defend it). There is no question in my mind that they lumped those numbers together to purposefully mislead the public.
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ColomboLQ said:

Dungeon Athletics said:

Keyser Soze said:

Malbec said:

Keyser Soze said:

Robert Wilson said:

Smear campaign
Truth is an absolute defense to a defamation action


Your telling me Shillinglaw and Briles are walking away from money ?
Most often the defense is, "We didn't know for sure that is was untrue when we said it."

It is a basis of defense for the negligence / reckless disregard portion, but not at all a get out of jail free card.


So do you believe two lawyers, Gray & Harper, sincerely believed 19/17/4 to be true when they said it to the WSJ?

I'm sure they came up with a list of incidents that could be construed as allegations of sexual or domestic assault, so that they could claim they believed it was technically accurate. I read somewhere that the list included Chafin grabbing his girlfriend's arm and Dixon punching the guy who took his stuff as "domestic assault" allegations, but I don't know if that's true or not. But you can see how it isn't a black and white issue. I'm sure they categorized any incident involving more than 2 people as "gang rape".

So I'm sure they have a way of backing it up, no matter how far-fetched it might be so that no one can say they knew it was false. But I am 100% certain that they knew the 19/17/4 figures were misleading and intended them to be so. They absolutely knew people would read that and think there were 17 rape victims when they know that's not true.

Firing Briles instead of suspending him or employing any number of other remedies was beyond stupid, but I can forgive stupid. Making those statements to the WSJ was petty and selfish and helped feed the media narrative that Baylor is Rape U. And that is inexcusable and unforgivable. Those three Pharisees should be banned from Baylor for life for that alone.
I think this post most closely encapsulates the truth (in my opinion). I have no doubt they put out the largest number they could put out that they could legally get away with. Meaning, they would have enough legal standing to defend any label they put on any act no matter if anyone else would disagree with them (this is why they lumped everything together in my opinion, so they could generalize the acts easier and create a bigger number without having to defend it). There is no question in my mind that they lumped those numbers together to purposefully mislead the public.
You know, purposefully misleading the public must be related to Baylor's Christian mission, somehow.
Life is more about asking the right questions than giving the right answers.
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It's a shame Clayton Williams isn't still alive. We could have hired him to defend us.
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oh Brenda... you are so sad and pathetic
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

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If I am following this, you guys are saying the regents deliberately over sold sexual assault because they combined the numbers with domestic violence.


That said, if the number of rapes was 10 (of 19) or more , how many of you would rip my head off if I said they deliberately over sold the domestic violence?



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I think a lot of folks are reading way too much into this letter. To me it reads more like a letter of reference for a potential job interview. It was probably requested by him and done as a favour to help him move on with his life/career.
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Keyser Soze said:


If I am following this, you guys are saying the regents deliberately over sold sexual assault because they combined the numbers with domestic violence.


That said, if the number of rapes was 10 (of 19) or more , how many of you would rip my head off if I said they deliberately over sold the domestic violence?




Keyser... come on man...

You are talking about people that called consensual group sex, gang rape.

Once they figured out they could blame all this on Briles and the media would be happy with that they sold what sells... football, violence and sex. They did everything they could to keep the spotlight on Art to hide their own malfeasance.

They sold themselves as the ones that had no idea and when they heard they cried out to God and Rent their garments in anguish... What a load of horse*****

I wouldn't put it past these guys to call tongue kissing rape and a loud argument domestic assault if they thought it would keep the spotlight on Briles and off of themselves.

19 horrible acts by our horrible players and 1 conviction.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."

Mahatma Gandhi
Keyser Soze
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JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:


If I am following this, you guys are saying the regents deliberately over sold sexual assault because they combined the numbers with domestic violence.


That said, if the number of rapes was 10 (of 19) or more , how many of you would rip my head off if I said they deliberately over sold the domestic violence?




Keyser... come on man...

You are talking about people that called consensual group sex, gang rape.

Once they figured out they could blame all this on Briles and the media would be happy with that they sold what sells... football, violence and sex. They did everything they could to keep the spotlight on Art to hide their own malfeasance.

They sold themselves as the ones that had no idea and when they heard they cried out to God and Rent their garments in anguish... What a load of horse*****

I wouldn't put it past these guys to call tongue kissing rape and a loud argument domestic assault if they thought it would keep the spotlight on Briles and off of themselves.

19 horrible acts by our horrible players and 1 conviction.
Asking a question.

FYI - Seen a lot of stats that say only about 1 in 20 rapes results in a conviction - that would make our count very normal
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Keyser... said:

Asking a question.

FYI - Seen a lot of stats that say only about 1 in 20 rapes results in a conviction - that would make out count very normal
Probably even fewer when those allegedly raped don't file a complaint.
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thomasjurisd said:

I think a lot of folks are reading way too much into this letter. To me it reads more like a letter of reference for a potential job interview. It was probably requested by him and done as a favour to help him move on with his life/career.
I disagree with you. I think it is an attempt to limit any liability they have in their treatment of Briles. He was fired. I don't knew of many organizations that give positive references to people that were fired.
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D. C. Bear said:

quash said:

Robemcdo said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

Malbec said:

Keyser Soze said:

Malbec said:

Keyser Soze said:

Robert Wilson said:

Smear campaign
Truth is an absolute defense to a defamation action


Your telling me Shillinglaw and Briles are walking away from money ?
Most often the defense is, "We didn't know for sure that is was untrue when we said it."

It is a basis of defense for the negligence / reckless disregard portion, but not at all a get out of jail free card.


So do you believe two lawyers, Gray & Harper, sincerely believed 19/17/4 to be true when they said it to the WSJ?






Are you saying they knew it wasn't true?
No

Do You (Mr Malbec) think they knowingly put out false information or do you think they believed it to be true?


I believe they put plenty of spin on it.

lumping the two together alone was an attempt to make it all about sex.

it might be 15 domestic and 2 sex for all we know... and the domestic could have been loud arguments... did have to reach Mixon level
Based on other info I known rape may be close to 8 or 9 - no argument it better to separate.
how many of the 8-9 were actually just drunk sex with second thoughts?

I'm guessing most since only one player has ever been convicted


All of them although some weren't even drunk.

Baylor women are liars? Not buying it.


The problem is being able to tell which ones.

Not for Robe and Bearwitness. If they are female, they are chippies wanting to bang all football players then lie about it. Probably nothing sexier to some young Baylor girl than some fatass D Lineman.
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Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:


If I am following this, you guys are saying the regents deliberately over sold sexual assault because they combined the numbers with domestic violence.


That said, if the number of rapes was 10 (of 19) or more , how many of you would rip my head off if I said they deliberately over sold the domestic violence?




Keyser... come on man...

You are talking about people that called consensual group sex, gang rape.

Once they figured out they could blame all this on Briles and the media would be happy with that they sold what sells... football, violence and sex. They did everything they could to keep the spotlight on Art to hide their own malfeasance.

They sold themselves as the ones that had no idea and when they heard they cried out to God and Rent their garments in anguish... What a load of horse*****

I wouldn't put it past these guys to call tongue kissing rape and a loud argument domestic assault if they thought it would keep the spotlight on Briles and off of themselves.

19 horrible acts by our horrible players and 1 conviction.
Asking a question.

FYI - Seen a lot of stats that say only about 1 in 20 rapes results in a conviction - that would make our count very normal
BS statistics. You have to look at the fake statistic on which it is based. One thing you won't see US sources report clearly is what percentage of rape cases result in a conviction. That is because it is more convenient to use, fake statistics, speculation, and sleight of hand to make rape look like a grossly underprosecuted and under convicted crime. The crown prosecutor is more transparent, with 68% of rape cases resulting in conviction. This is a terrible crime, but we do our wives, sisters, and daughters a disservice when we allow political elements seeking to advance an agenda to hijack it for their own ends.

Statistic: "1 out of every 4 women will be raped in her lifetime."
https://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/lies-damned-lies-and-rape-statistics/

Truth: Ah, here's the doozy. I'm sure we're all familiar with the source of this statistic: a study by Mary Koss that has been discredited countless times. Around three-quarters of the women she identified as having been raped did not consider themselves victims of rape, and almost half of them had sex with their supposed attackers after the event identified as a rape had occurred.

So, what do statistics collected from non-feminist sources say? Well, let's try the FBI statistics. According to an FBI report, which did not account for differing definitions of rape, whether or not the rapes were convicted, or whether or not female-on-male rape was included, the United States had a rate of 29 reported rapes per 100,000 people in 2009. That's not going to get us to 25%, but I'm feeling generous, so let's look at the country with the highest rate of rape in the past decadeSouth Africa, with a rate of 116 rapes per 100,000 people in one year. Percentage wise, this is .1% of the population. Now, I'll admit that I'm worse at math than anything else in the world, but even I know this isn't even close to "1 in 4".

"But wait!" the feminists are saying, "Most rapes are never reported to the police!" Well, I've heard a number of different figures on just how many. Some say 45%, some say 60%, and some even say 80%. But hey, I'm feeling EXTREMELY generous, so despite the fact that feminists are basing these numbers off evidence that is dubious at best, I'll go with the highest estimate. .1 times 5 ishalf of one percent. In other words, one-fiftieth of what feminists claim it is.

Now, I hear them whining that I missed the key phrase "In their lifetime". Okay, since empirical data shows that rates of rape drastically decrease after the victim turns 45, whether they are male or female, in prison or out, I'll just be accounting for a 30-year window. Sorry, feminists, but even my generosity has its limits. I'm not going to pretend that the wackos who rape grannies aren't extreme outliers. This means that 15% of South African women will be raped in their lifetimes. A grisly figure to be sure, but then again, this is South Africa we're talking aboutit has the second-highest crime rate in the world. The rate of rape in the U.S. is one-quarter of that, so in our most generous of moods, it is correct to say that 3.75% of women will be raped in their lifetimes. I'm puzzled as to how that can be mistaken for 1 in 4.

So, to summarize: Feminists claim that the rape rate in the U.S. (a reasonably safe country, despite what you see on the news) is significantly higher than the actual percentage in a country with one of the world's highest rapes of rate. They have inflated actual statistics beyond the point of reporting or gut bias, and have put them on flagrantly dishonest levels, in order to advance their agenda of stripping men of their constitutional rights.
All those surprised, please raise your hands. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
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Whoa ... stripped, hands up ... That isn't until Saturday night at my house.9
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It is going to be a long fall.
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NoBSU said:

It is going to be a long fall.
0-12 has a way of doing that.
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Briles has to hide behind Title IX. Baylor bet on stupidity and they were rewarded.
Outside the bubble, post firing actions made it easy to paint him as the face of rape like Jerry Sandusky is the kiddie diddler associated with college football.

Please post more letters.
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Keyser Soze said:


If I am following this, you guys are saying the regents deliberately over sold sexual assault because they combined the numbers with domestic violence.


That said, if the number of rapes was 10 (of 19) or more , how many of you would rip my head off if I said they deliberately over sold the domestic violence?




I'm saying that they deliberately lumped as many incidents together that they could legally get away with calling "sexual assault" and "domestic violence" even if no one else would consider those actions to be called those things.
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I just read Baylor's letter again. This is bull$h!t. Baylor University has screwed this up in the worst way imaginable.
"This is not an institution of football."
-- Dr. David Garland
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quash said:

D. C. Bear said:

quash said:

Robemcdo said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

Malbec said:

Keyser Soze said:

Malbec said:

Keyser Soze said:

Robert Wilson said:

Smear campaign
Truth is an absolute defense to a defamation action


Your telling me Shillinglaw and Briles are walking away from money ?
Most often the defense is, "We didn't know for sure that is was untrue when we said it."

It is a basis of defense for the negligence / reckless disregard portion, but not at all a get out of jail free card.


So do you believe two lawyers, Gray & Harper, sincerely believed 19/17/4 to be true when they said it to the WSJ?






Are you saying they knew it wasn't true?
No

Do You (Mr Malbec) think they knowingly put out false information or do you think they believed it to be true?


I believe they put plenty of spin on it.

lumping the two together alone was an attempt to make it all about sex.

it might be 15 domestic and 2 sex for all we know... and the domestic could have been loud arguments... did have to reach Mixon level
Based on other info I known rape may be close to 8 or 9 - no argument it better to separate.
how many of the 8-9 were actually just drunk sex with second thoughts?

I'm guessing most since only one player has ever been convicted


All of them although some weren't even drunk.

Baylor women are liars? Not buying it.


The problem is being able to tell which ones.

As always. "All of them" is way out of bounds given what we know and don't know.
This is what we know. These players are all black. And the interesting thing about that is they know they are black. And another thing is they have always been black. They have lived their whole lives black with mothers that are black who have told them full well they will NEVER get the benefit of the doubt, especially in a lily white environment like Baylor. And everyone of them knows what happened to Tevin Elliott and Sam Ukwauchu. They know the suggestive text messages Sam got. They know his roommate was in the next room. They know all the lies of Jasmen Hernandez. They know the truth. Not a chance in hell they would sexually assault a girl at Baylor. Zero.
This is what we know
Evidence against Elliott: Zero
Evidence against Sam: Zero

Baylor pays off Sam's accuser. Lineup forms. Stories change, names never mentioned, large bills please. You can't all be that stupid. Seriously you can't be.

Everyone is clinging to the hope that this isn't another story about race. But guess what...It is.
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Some of the comments about females on this board are alarmingly ignorant and "Neanderthalish". I'm not sure I would be comfortable paying for my granddaughter's tuition at Baylor if the mindset I have seen is one that is prevalent on campus.
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Very Beary said:

Some of the comments about females on this board are alarmingly ignorant and "Neanderthalish". I'm not sure I would be comfortable paying for my granddaughter's tuition at Baylor if the mindset I have seen is one that is prevalent on campus.
So what exactly is the mindset you have seen that you think is prevalent on campus"? Please do tell.

My daughter goes to Baylor. The way Baylor has handled sexual assaults, there is no way in HELL I would even consider for my young son to go to Baylor. I would not want his life to be destroyed because he failed to call a girl back for a second date. Baylor men are guilty until proven innocent. Those responsible for this mindset are still in place.
"This is not an institution of football."
-- Dr. David Garland
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Very Beary said:

Some of the comments about females on this board are alarmingly ignorant and "Neanderthalish". I'm not sure I would be comfortable paying for my granddaughter's tuition at Baylor if the mindset I have seen is one that is prevalent on campus.
Oh Lord, 80sBear is about to have his meltdown.
He is #1 fan. Greatest and most loyal fan.
His daughter ain't naive and wouldn't give " those bad dudes" any time.
Hopefully, your granddaughter has your values.

Andrew Billings was the true face of football. A few were mishandled and general f ups as human beings.
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xiledinok said:

Very Beary said:

Some of the comments about females on this board are alarmingly ignorant and "Neanderthalish". I'm not sure I would be comfortable paying for my granddaughter's tuition at Baylor if the mindset I have seen is one that is prevalent on campus.
Oh Lord, 80sBear is about to have his meltdown.
He is #1 fan. Greatest and most loyal fan.
His daughter ain't naive and wouldn't give " those bad dudes" any time.
Hopefully, your granddaughter has your values.

Andrew Billings was the true face of football. A few were mishandled and general f ups as human beings.
You should know now, my friend, the meltdown stage has long since passed. I was hopeful we could have an autopsy but it seems Baylor and their lawyers are intent on cremating the body. They do not want us to know the cause of death.
"This is not an institution of football."
-- Dr. David Garland
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80sBEAR said:

xiledinok said:

Very Beary said:

Some of the comments about females on this board are alarmingly ignorant and "Neanderthalish". I'm not sure I would be comfortable paying for my granddaughter's tuition at Baylor if the mindset I have seen is one that is prevalent on campus.
Oh Lord, 80sBear is about to have his meltdown.
He is #1 fan. Greatest and most loyal fan.
His daughter ain't naive and wouldn't give " those bad dudes" any time.
Hopefully, your granddaughter has your values.

Andrew Billings was the true face of football. A few were mishandled and general f ups as human beings.
You should know now, my friend, the meltdown stage has long since passed. I was hopeful we could have an autopsy but it seem Baylor and their lawyers are intent on cremating the body. They do not want us to know the cause of death.
Seems both sides NOW want silence. It took them a year to master that one thanks to Art etc...
Pissants like ourselves just needed to remind ourselves about self inflicted wounds like you pointed out. Good life lesson.
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Robemcdo said:

quash said:

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quash said:

Robemcdo said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

JusHappy2BeHere said:

Keyser Soze said:

Malbec said:

Keyser Soze said:

Malbec said:

Keyser Soze said:

Robert Wilson said:

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This is what we know. These players are all black. And the interesting thing about that is they know they are black. And another thing is they have always been black. They have lived their whole lives black with mothers that are black who have told them full well they will NEVER get the benefit of the doubt, especially in a lily white environment like Baylor. And everyone of them knows what happened to Tevin Elliott and Sam Ukwauchu. They know the suggestive text messages Sam got. They know his roommate was in the next room. They know all the lies of Jasmen Hernandez. They know the truth. Not a chance in hell they would sexually assault a girl at Baylor. Zero.
This is what we know
Evidence against Elliott: Zero
Evidence against Sam: Zero

Baylor pays off Sam's accuser. Lineup forms. Stories change, names never mentioned, large bills please. You can't all be that stupid. Seriously you can't be.

Everyone is clinging to the hope that this isn't another story about race. But guess what...It is.

On behalf of the growing population of Asian students at Baylor, I'd just like to point out that if you think there was zero evidence against Tevin Elliott, you much really have a dark view of women.

This may be difficult to digest, but not every male on campus is being accused of rape or assault.
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Whats it take to start a thread on this board?
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Baylor3216 said:

Whats it take to start a thread on this board?
A thick skin.
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Baylor3216 said:

Whats it take to start a thread on this board?

Get past your Rookie status. Look next to your name. Post a few more times and and wait a day or two for the upgrade. 84 Bear has a thread on it somewhere.
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NoBSU said:

Baylor3216 said:

Whats it take to start a thread on this board?

Get past your Rookie status. Look next to your name. Post a few more times and and wait a day or two for the upgrade. 84 Bear has a thread on it somewhere.


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We now return to our regularly scheduled *****ing about Briles.
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Very Beary said:

Some of the comments about females on this board are alarmingly ignorant and "Neanderthalish". I'm not sure I would be comfortable paying for my granddaughter's tuition at Baylor if the mindset I have seen is one that is prevalent on campus.


Your granddaughter will be fine. Your grandson .. not so sure
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Baylor3216 said:

Whats it take to start a thread on this board?
Chutzpah, in many cases.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Malbec said:

Baylor3216 said:

Whats it take to start a thread on this board?
A thick skin.
Under rated ^
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