EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Remind me how Briles and Rhule both won the conference and subsequently got worse over the next 2 seasons?

What I am liking is that CDA is adjusting. Bringing in Spavital AND getting the University in line with the times regarding NIL are both cause for optimism.

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The year after our second conference chsmpionship with Briles, we finished 9-4. Injuries, sure, but every team has injuries.

Rhule never won a conference championship.

I'm a realist. A program like Baylor will never average 10 wins a year. Only about 6 programs in the entire country do. Even under Briles, we would have had rises and falls (and he would have eventually left for Texas). So when things are bleak after 2-4, I'm ecstatic over how the last five weeks have gone. And if we drop the next 3 (not likely, the worst would be 1-2 depending on our bowl opponent) I'll be upset, but I'll have confidence in next year. I'm not calling it accepting mediocrity. I'm calling it being proud of these players and coaches not giving up when all of the fans did.

If you're expecting 10 wins a season, you need to find another team because it ain't happening here.

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10-3 in 2015. 8-0 when Seth got hurt. Beat KSt with Sridhar to 9-0. OU deliberately hurt him and won. Chris Johnson beat OkSt, then our luck ran out in the sleet in FtW and when we had to bring in Zamora against UT.

A disappointing 9-3 is a world's difference from 3-9 just 2 years after one of our best seasons ever.

Maybe my expectations were raised to high that year - but now, with this new format, I know, we should be competitive for the CFP every year.

Aranda is a new head coach, so if he is learning and adjusting on the fly - then great. We cant ask for any more. I'm fine with that.

Happy with the current trajectory. It needs to keep building.

not impossible (per 247)


Now is when something short of a miracle is needed for Baylor and others to backdoor their way into the Big 12 Championship Game. Obviously the Bears need to win out, but there are a few different chaos scenarios with results elsewhere in which they can book a trip to AT&T Stadium. Baylor needs either BYU OR Colorado to lose both remaining games, as well as Arizona State AND Iowa State to lose at least one game. The Bears would be above the other three-loss Big 12 teams based on either record versus common conference opponents or conference opponent win percentage. What a turnaround that would be for Dave Aranda and the Bears.

It would take nothing short of a miracle, but here’s Baylor’s path to the Big 12 Championship.

- Baylor wins @ Houston and vs. Kansas

- BYU loses @ Arizona State and vs. Houston
- Arizona State loses @ Arizona
- Iowa State loses @ Utah or vs. K-State

OR

-Colorado loses @…

— Will Turboff (@WillTurboff) November 20, 2024

Joseph Smith at a BYU game? Bet everything on the Cougars https://t.co/dW8poYOllD

— Jackson Payne (@jackson5payne) November 21, 2024

There are rumors that there will be “f*ck the Mormons” chants from the student section on Saturday. Please don’t do this. It’s classless and offensive. Plus, there are LDS on the ASU team and coaching staff. Thousands of ASU students and alumni, like myself, are LDS, too.…

— Chris Jenkins (@SmartSunDevil) November 21, 2024

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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I hate the "winning with Rhule's players" excuse.

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It's hardly an excuse. This sort of thing happens all the time. A new staff comes in and the program back pedals once the former staffs players are gone.

Aranda didn't walk into a dumpster fire like Briles or Rhule and turn things around - he inherited an 11-win team.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Curious question..do you get one paycheck..or two...for being the spokesperson/cheerleader for Jim Phillips and Greg Sankey?

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If you would like to dispute anything on the merits, by all means do so. If you have nothing to contribute, feel free to continue this spiral into meaningless criticism that doesn't change what reality is.

For you youngsters..this is the same fanbase that chanted 'Wheres your daddy' to Steve Kerr when he was point guard at Arizona after his dad was assassinated by Middle East terrorists.

Oh come on.

That was witty.

Why you hate the Big 12?

No one disputes the Big 10/SEC is the behemoth.

But you make it sound like the Big 12 is one step above the Colonial Conference.

bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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boognish_bear said:

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After 3-9 last year and starting 2-4 this year just being mathematically in this feels like a win.

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Agree. And I'm saying its sad we are happy about this year.

Sigh.

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I can't think of a seven- or eight-win season in Baylor's history that its fans weren't at least somewhat happy about. There's nothing sad about celebrating winning seasons at a program with a .509 all-time win percentage.

If we lose out, and finish 6-7, I don't think anyone will be particularly happy. But that outcome doesn't seem particularly likely given our next opponent and the way we've been playing lately.

In the meantime, if you're not happy about a four-game win streak that has completely changed the trajectory of our season -- and potentially, entire program -- then you're not fanning correctly.

Be happy or don't. I don't really care. But lecturing/condescending to those who are happy right now doesn't make you a better, more demanding fan. It just makes you look bitter.

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Thanks for the condescending lecture.

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Stay mad. The rest of us will unapologetically enjoy watching Baylor win football games.

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Didnt like that I pointed out your hypocrisy, huh?

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I was neither lecturing nor condescending to you. Just trying to provide some historical context for why being happy with Baylor's recent play and current season outlook is the much more reasonable position.

Unfortunately, it met an unreceptive audience.

Like I said, stay mad. It's ultimately your loss, though.

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Going to a bowl is always a good thing. After not going for two years, it is a great thing. Finish strong, get a good bowl game and forget the last two years. Chalk it up to NIL and Transfer Portal, nobody could have dreamed that crap up for a HC to deal with...

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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boognish_bear said:

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After 3-9 last year and starting 2-4 this year just being mathematically in this feels like a win.

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Agree. And I'm saying its sad we are happy about this year.

Sigh.

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I can't think of a seven- or eight-win season in Baylor's history that its fans weren't at least somewhat happy about. There's nothing sad about celebrating winning seasons at a program with a .509 all-time win percentage.

If we lose out, and finish 6-7, I don't think anyone will be particularly happy. But that outcome doesn't seem particularly likely given our next opponent and the way we've been playing lately.

In the meantime, if you're not happy about a four-game win streak that has completely changed the trajectory of our season -- and potentially, entire program -- then you're not fanning correctly.

Be happy or don't. I don't really care. But lecturing/condescending to those who are happy right now doesn't make you a better, more demanding fan. It just makes you look bitter.

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Thanks for the condescending lecture.

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Stay mad. The rest of us will unapologetically enjoy watching Baylor win football games.

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Didnt like that I pointed out your hypocrisy, huh?

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I was neither lecturing nor condescending to you. Just trying to provide some historical context for why being happy with Baylor's recent play and current season outlook is the much more reasonable position.

Unfortunately, it met an unreceptive audience.

Like I said, stay mad. It's ultimately your loss, though.

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Going to a bowl is always a good thing. After not going for two years, it is a great thing. Finish strong, get a good bowl game and forget the last two years. Chalk it up to NIL and Transfer Portal, nobody could have dreamed that crap up for a HC to deal with...

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We went to one in 2022. I know it was so "meh" that I don't like remembering it either.

Bear8084 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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boognish_bear said:

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After 3-9 last year and starting 2-4 this year just being mathematically in this feels like a win.

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Agree. And I'm saying its sad we are happy about this year.

Sigh.

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I can't think of a seven- or eight-win season in Baylor's history that its fans weren't at least somewhat happy about. There's nothing sad about celebrating winning seasons at a program with a .509 all-time win percentage.

If we lose out, and finish 6-7, I don't think anyone will be particularly happy. But that outcome doesn't seem particularly likely given our next opponent and the way we've been playing lately.

In the meantime, if you're not happy about a four-game win streak that has completely changed the trajectory of our season -- and potentially, entire program -- then you're not fanning correctly.

Be happy or don't. I don't really care. But lecturing/condescending to those who are happy right now doesn't make you a better, more demanding fan. It just makes you look bitter.

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Thanks for the condescending lecture.

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Stay mad. The rest of us will unapologetically enjoy watching Baylor win football games.

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Didnt like that I pointed out your hypocrisy, huh?

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I was neither lecturing nor condescending to you. Just trying to provide some historical context for why being happy with Baylor's recent play and current season outlook is the much more reasonable position.

Unfortunately, it met an unreceptive audience.

Like I said, stay mad. It's ultimately your loss, though.

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Going to a bowl is always a good thing. After not going for two years, it is a great thing. Finish strong, get a good bowl game and forget the last two years. Chalk it up to NIL and Transfer Portal, nobody could have dreamed that crap up for a HC to deal with...

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We went to one in 2022. I know it was so "meh" that I don't like remembering it either.

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Well, if nothing else you get more practice time and money for the school. So, it may not be great for fans, but helps program.

Bear8084 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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boognish_bear said:

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After 3-9 last year and starting 2-4 this year just being mathematically in this feels like a win.

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Agree. And I'm saying its sad we are happy about this year.

Sigh.

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I can't think of a seven- or eight-win season in Baylor's history that its fans weren't at least somewhat happy about. There's nothing sad about celebrating winning seasons at a program with a .509 all-time win percentage.

If we lose out, and finish 6-7, I don't think anyone will be particularly happy. But that outcome doesn't seem particularly likely given our next opponent and the way we've been playing lately.

In the meantime, if you're not happy about a four-game win streak that has completely changed the trajectory of our season -- and potentially, entire program -- then you're not fanning correctly.

Be happy or don't. I don't really care. But lecturing/condescending to those who are happy right now doesn't make you a better, more demanding fan. It just makes you look bitter.

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Thanks for the condescending lecture.

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Stay mad. The rest of us will unapologetically enjoy watching Baylor win football games.

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Didnt like that I pointed out your hypocrisy, huh?

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I was neither lecturing nor condescending to you. Just trying to provide some historical context for why being happy with Baylor's recent play and current season outlook is the much more reasonable position.

Unfortunately, it met an unreceptive audience.

Like I said, stay mad. It's ultimately your loss, though.

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Going to a bowl is always a good thing. After not going for two years, it is a great thing. Finish strong, get a good bowl game and forget the last two years. Chalk it up to NIL and Transfer Portal, nobody could have dreamed that crap up for a HC to deal with...

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We went to one in 2022. I know it was so "meh" that I don't like remembering it either.

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I would have froze my balls off at Amon Carter that night if they hadn't retreated so far into my body.

Paying money to go to that game was one of the dumber decisions I've made in adulthood.

bear2be2 said:

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Bear8084 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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boognish_bear said:

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After 3-9 last year and starting 2-4 this year just being mathematically in this feels like a win.

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Agree. And I'm saying its sad we are happy about this year.

Sigh.

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I can't think of a seven- or eight-win season in Baylor's history that its fans weren't at least somewhat happy about. There's nothing sad about celebrating winning seasons at a program with a .509 all-time win percentage.

If we lose out, and finish 6-7, I don't think anyone will be particularly happy. But that outcome doesn't seem particularly likely given our next opponent and the way we've been playing lately.

In the meantime, if you're not happy about a four-game win streak that has completely changed the trajectory of our season -- and potentially, entire program -- then you're not fanning correctly.

Be happy or don't. I don't really care. But lecturing/condescending to those who are happy right now doesn't make you a better, more demanding fan. It just makes you look bitter.

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Thanks for the condescending lecture.

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Stay mad. The rest of us will unapologetically enjoy watching Baylor win football games.

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Didnt like that I pointed out your hypocrisy, huh?

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I was neither lecturing nor condescending to you. Just trying to provide some historical context for why being happy with Baylor's recent play and current season outlook is the much more reasonable position.

Unfortunately, it met an unreceptive audience.

Like I said, stay mad. It's ultimately your loss, though.

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Going to a bowl is always a good thing. After not going for two years, it is a great thing. Finish strong, get a good bowl game and forget the last two years. Chalk it up to NIL and Transfer Portal, nobody could have dreamed that crap up for a HC to deal with...

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We went to one in 2022. I know it was so "meh" that I don't like remembering it either.

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I would have froze my balls off at Amon Carter that night if they hadn't retreated so far into my body.

Paying money to go to that game was one of the dumber decisions I've made in adulthood.

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I think the TCU game broke us that season and it was an unstoppable downhill slide after that. Then having to play at Amon Carter after all that, I knew it was probably not going to turn out well.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Oh come on.

That was witty.

Why you hate the Big 12?

No one disputes the Big 10/SEC is the behemoth.

But you make it sound like the Big 12 is one step above the Colonial Conference.

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I don't understand why Big 10 is considered on same level as SEC. Even at 18 schools they are still incredibly top heavy.

Sources: Arizona State has signed OC Marcus Arroyo and DC Brian Ward to new three-year contracts, which average more than a $1 million per year. The move shows significant commitment by ASU administration to keep the momentum going from this 8-2 season. pic.twitter.com/cWoQFgFXR2

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 23, 2024

Special teams choke by IU.

kansas and arizona state doing us favors

Down go Colorado and BYU.

Ummm... did our chances just greatly improve today?

Married A Horn said:

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Ummm... did our chances just greatly improve today?

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Yep....let's pull for Utah to upset ISU tonight to get us one step closer

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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boognish_bear said:

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After 3-9 last year and starting 2-4 this year just being mathematically in this feels like a win.

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Agree. And I'm saying its sad we are happy about this year.

Sigh.

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I can't think of a seven- or eight-win season in Baylor's history that its fans weren't at least somewhat happy about. There's nothing sad about celebrating winning seasons at a program with a .509 all-time win percentage.

If we lose out, and finish 6-7, I don't think anyone will be particularly happy. But that outcome doesn't seem particularly likely given our next opponent and the way we've been playing lately.

In the meantime, if you're not happy about a four-game win streak that has completely changed the trajectory of our season -- and potentially, entire program -- then you're not fanning correctly.

Be happy or don't. I don't really care. But lecturing/condescending to those who are happy right now doesn't make you a better, more demanding fan. It just makes you look bitter.

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Thanks for the condescending lecture.

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Stay mad. The rest of us will unapologetically enjoy watching Baylor win football games.

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Didnt like that I pointed out your hypocrisy, huh?

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I was neither lecturing nor condescending to you. Just trying to provide some historical context for why being happy with Baylor's recent play and current season outlook is the much more reasonable position.

Unfortunately, it met an unreceptive audience.

Like I said, stay mad. It's ultimately your loss, though.

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Going to a bowl is always a good thing. After not going for two years, it is a great thing. Finish strong, get a good bowl game and forget the last two years. Chalk it up to NIL and Transfer Portal, nobody could have dreamed that crap up for a HC to deal with...

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We only missed a bowl game one year, 2023. We went to a bowl game in 2022 & lost horribly in Ft Worth. It's one many would like to forget.

Just in case there's any confusion, Big 12 has confirmed that a four-way tie at 7-2 between Arizona State, BYU, Colorado and Iowa State would result in:

No. 1 Arizona State vs. No. 2 Iowa State in Arlington.

— Max Olson (@max_olson) November 24, 2024

so if iowa state loses tonight we will be in 4th because of tie breakers?

So what do we need next week?

-Kansas State win first and foremost



-Colorado loss

-Arizona state loss

**or**

-BYU loss

-Arizona state loss

**or**

-colorado loss

-BYU loss

With Iowa State’s win, Baylor’s odds have dropped to 13%, but based on what actually needs to happen, it’s probably more like 2%

— matthew mcb (@mcbaylor) November 24, 2024

Colo plays Ok St in Boulder at 11AM on Saturday.

I don't think we have game times for the other matchups yet.

Four Big 12 teams tied for first at 6-2 = 20 possible title game matchups😂

via @biwills's tiebreaker site: https://t.co/l0EPCWStnJ pic.twitter.com/YlYr1n14Ja

— Max Olson (@max_olson) November 24, 2024

Crazy that Colo and BYU have been in the driver seat for weeks...and now neither one has the best odds to make it

boognish_bear said:

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Colo plays Ok St in Boulder at 11AM on Saturday.

I don't think we have game times for the other matchups yet.

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Those times will be announced tomorrow.

ASU was picked preseason to be last in the conference and are currently #1.

I could see maybe 2 of 4 happening...but 3 of 4 gonna be a big ask. That's assuming we can handle KU.

So Baylor needs to beat Kansas AND

3 out of 4 of:
- BYU losing to UH
- ASU losing to Arizona
- Colorado losing to Oklahoma State
- ISU losing to KSU

I’d probably place odds around 2 or 3%. But hey, there’s a chance!

— Travis Roeder (@Travis_Roeder) November 24, 2024