FLBear5630 said:

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Based on H2H with similar rosters, Aranda beat Joey. Joey has been middle of the road for the first 3 years at Tech. Now, he is in the Playoff as the Fourth seed of Twelve.

What changed? Well, this year Tech bought a 7M defense... That is something.

When Aranda won the B12, beat Lane Kiffin in the Sugar Bowl and had Baylor at its highest ranking. You guys said, it was not Aranda it was Rhule's players.


Now, the Tech AD brings in an All-Star Team of a Defense and Joey wins, it is suddenly Joey is a good coach?


So, which is it? It is the coaching OR is it someone else bringing in players. It can't be both ways...

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You can't talk to Madden Heroes about D1 Football. They are incapable of understanding.

You nimrods still crying 10 years after your savior got himself fired flogged your dolphins just because we lit up the scoreboard. 2011 we had the #4 offense but went 10-3, #4 in 2012 yet we went 8-5, #1 in 2013 was good for 11-2, #1 in 2014 was another 11-2, #1 in 2015 and we finished 10-3. Why couldn't we even sniff a National Championship? Could it be our defense ranked #113 in 2011, #113 in 2012, #36 in 2013, #49 in 2014 and #78 in 2015?

It all starts in the DL. Defense wins championships. Even Harry High School Joey knows it and that is why Tech went out and bought a defense and in particular the DL.

I'll admit that Dave A's personality is a little different. Much different.

Our best season in the history of Baylor we fielded the #40 offense yet a #10 defense!

2011 National Champ was Alabama. They had the #1 D.
2012 " " was Alabama. They had the #1 D.
2013 " " was Florida St. They had the #1 D.
2014 " " was Ohio State. They had the #26 D
2015 " " was Alabama. They had the #2 D. The #1 D was Wisconsin with Dave Aranda.

Thee University said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Based on H2H with similar rosters, Aranda beat Joey. Joey has been middle of the road for the first 3 years at Tech. Now, he is in the Playoff as the Fourth seed of Twelve.

What changed? Well, this year Tech bought a 7M defense... That is something.

When Aranda won the B12, beat Lane Kiffin in the Sugar Bowl and had Baylor at its highest ranking. You guys said, it was not Aranda it was Rhule's players.


Now, the Tech AD brings in an All-Star Team of a Defense and Joey wins, it is suddenly Joey is a good coach?


So, which is it? It is the coaching OR is it someone else bringing in players. It can't be both ways...

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You can't talk to Madden Heroes about D1 Football. They are incapable of understanding.

You nimrods still crying 10 years after your savior got himself fired flogged your dolphins just because we lit up the scoreboard. 2011 we had the #4 offense but went 10-3, #4 in 2012 yet we went 8-5, #1 in 2013 was good for 11-2, #1 in 2014 was another 11-2, #1 in 2015 and we finished 10-3. Why couldn't we even sniff a National Championship? Could it be our defense ranked #113 in 2011, #113 in 2012, #36 in 2013, #49 in 2014 and #78 in 2015?

It all starts in the DL. Defense wins championships. Even Harry High School Joey knows it and that is why Tech went out and bought a defense and in particular the DL.

I'll admit that Dave A's personality is a little different. Much different.

Our best season in the history of Baylor we fielded the #40 offense yet a #10 defense!

2011 National Champ was Alabama. They had the #1 D.
2012 " " was Alabama. They had the #1 D.
2013 " " was Florida St. They had the #1 D.
2014 " " was Ohio State. They had the #26 D
2015 " " was Alabama. They had the #2 D. The #1 D was Wisconsin with Dave Aranda.

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Yup.

I do like Tech's approach of buying units. You buy a front 7, you can compete.

Thee University said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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Using Nil is lame. Baylor got their asses kicked by several teams with much lower NIL bank rolls.
You think Cincy or AZ have better NIL than BU? What about TCU or Utah? Unlikely. But by all means continue blaming Nil as to why Dave sucks while simultaneously using NIL as the sole reason Tech has left BU in the dust

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Yep, can't be said enough. Those using it to justify Dave are deflecting pure and simple. I do think TCU has better football NIL.. or at least had until very recently. But the point still stands. The rest, nope.

Only Tech and to a much smaller degree BYU have NIL at a level to even mention it v results on the field. And surpise, surprise BU didn't even play either this year. David has zero excuses.

boognish_bear said:

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Texas Tech couldn't afford to get the hire wrong. Joey McGuire was an improbable candidate. But after his first interview, it was obvious.

"We found our guy."

Deep dive on the 2021 coaching search and why McGuire was the perfect fit to fix @TexasTechFB: https://t.co/7kHdNtObBJ

— Max Olson (@max_olson) December 30, 2025

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Mack didn't see it the same way.

All this frustration being let out is all because Linda Loser and the incompetent BoR retained a failed HC that EVERY other school would have fired.
All some fans can do is whine about $.
If LL had fired Dave, $ would have poured in.

Dia del DougO said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Texas Tech couldn't afford to get the hire wrong. Joey McGuire was an improbable candidate. But after his first interview, it was obvious.

"We found our guy."

Deep dive on the 2021 coaching search and why McGuire was the perfect fit to fix @TexasTechFB: https://t.co/7kHdNtObBJ

— Max Olson (@max_olson) December 30, 2025

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Mack didn't see it the same way.

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Lot of people here didn't see it the same way either. Not too many at the P4 level will take a chance on a recent HS coach with no head coaching or coordinator experience in any level of college football. Hindsight is always 20-20 and you don't get do-overs unless you are an internet poster.

Joey McGuire or Toby Mcguire. Who gives a rat's ass. Just anybody besides Frowning Dave

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Dia del DougO said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Texas Tech couldn't afford to get the hire wrong. Joey McGuire was an improbable candidate. But after his first interview, it was obvious.

"We found our guy."

Deep dive on the 2021 coaching search and why McGuire was the perfect fit to fix @TexasTechFB: https://t.co/7kHdNtObBJ

— Max Olson (@max_olson) December 30, 2025

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Mack didn't see it the same way.

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Lot of people here didn't see it the same way either. Not too many at the P4 level will take a chance on a recent HS coach with no head coaching or coordinator experience in any level of college football. Hindsight is always 20-20 and you don't get do-overs unless you are an internet poster.

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Tech is a unique place, they can do things out there that others would have trouble. I worked in Amarillo, it is another world buffered from the rest of the world. It is a place you can take a chance and few will notice.

There gamble paid off. They invested alot of money and it hit. I think their use of alumni, NIL and the portal is outstanding, love the concept their AD/GM used. Wish we would think that way, very productive.

A subject to discuss. Mahomes helps them, no Alumni seem to play a role in Waco....

Tech is in the best place now, not in the SEC or B10 but with comparable money. Unlike UT or A&M they do not have to go through the SEC gauntlet. For Tech, BYU is their biggest issue with an SEC roster. Got to hand it to them, someone in the AD's office figured this out.

By the way, look at the playoff teams and NIL, you guys really think Coaching is the difference? Indiana is at #13 in NIL spending, you think Kevin Wilson couldn't get the same results when he was at IU with that type of talent? Cignetti is a good coach, no doubt. But that much better than the other IU coaches that didn't have those resources?

Thee University said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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One guy's rah-rah is another guy's cussing .
Admit it. There's some cheers you like and some you don't. You have your favorite pom-poms.

You see Joey as a rah-rah guy but you've no idea what drills and how much drilling TTU does. He's a rah-rah guy cause you say he is. This makes sense in your world.

Now we get to read you backpedaling some on the rah-rah. Like I said, CLOWNSHOW

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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One guy's rah-rah is another guy's cussing .
Admit it. There's some cheers you like and some you don't. You have your favorite pom-poms.

You see Joey as a rah-rah guy but you've no idea what drills and how much drilling TTU does. He's a rah-rah guy cause you say he is. This makes sense in your world.

Now we get to read you backpedaling some on the rah-rah. Like I said, CLOWNSHOW

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I am sure that Tech drills the hell out of everything, no doubt. I think that Joey is probably a very good coaching basics guy. I thought he was a very good defensive coach at BU, his group seemed to perform well.

I digress a bit, but it is similar to baseball. I noticed that coaches don't "take infield" anymore, at least not in Wisconsin and FLA where my son played, but the few guys that did their teams always fielded well and knew where to go with the ball. My Dad and I used to scratch our heads as that was basic to team play. But, we were told that is not how they do it now. From what I see, individual development may be better, but team play is worse.

I see Joey very similar. I like watching Tech play, they are sound. I just can't stand the "Joey" love over all, similar to Rhule and Briles. They are like a bunch of teenage girls. Get over it, the guy left. Why, doesn't matter... He is gone, he is the enemy now.

I also think Aranda is in the wrong place for this NIL environment and Mack and Linda F-ed the guy. He beat Joey twice with equal talent. He was good at Wisky and LSU. His situation is very similar to what I saw with Rich Rod at Michigan, the boosters don't want him. They are not going to help him. He is going to dangle and they are going to continue their Briles love...

Is Joey better, I say no. They are about the same. But, I don't put much stock in Coaches. I have known too many Coaches...

FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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One guy's rah-rah is another guy's cussing .
Admit it. There's some cheers you like and some you don't. You have your favorite pom-poms.

You see Joey as a rah-rah guy but you've no idea what drills and how much drilling TTU does. He's a rah-rah guy cause you say he is. This makes sense in your world.

Now we get to read you backpedaling some on the rah-rah. Like I said, CLOWNSHOW

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I am sure that Tech drills the hell out of everything, no doubt. I think that Joey is probably a very good coaching basics guy. I thought he was a very good defensive coach at BU, his group seemed to perform well.

I digress a bit, but it is similar to baseball. I noticed that coaches don't "take infield" anymore, at least not in Wisconsin and FLA where my son played, but the few guys that did their teams always fielded well and knew where to go with the ball. My Dad and I used to scratch our heads as that was basic to team play. But, we were told that is not how they do it now. From what I see, individual development may be better, but team play is worse.

I see Joey very similar. I like watching Tech play, they are sound. I just can't stand the "Joey" love over all, similar to Rhule and Briles. They are like a bunch of teenage girls. Get over it, the guy left. Why, doesn't matter... He is gone, he is the enemy now.

I also think Aranda is in the wrong place for this NIL environment and Mack and Linda F-ed the guy. He beat Joey twice with equal talent. He was good at Wisky and LSU. His situation is very similar to what I saw with Rich Rod at Michigan, the boosters don't want him. They are not going to help him. He is going to dangle and they are going to continue their Briles love...

Is Joey better, I say no. They are about the same. But, I don't put much stock in Coaches. I have known too many Coaches...

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Incoherent lmao

Look at LSU, Auburn, Florida, Penn State. All have top 15 rosters for the last 10 years, and have underachieved due to coaching

What you Madden All-Pros conveniently fail to take into account is that the head coach does next to ZERO actual coaching. Each assistant coach is the one truly motivating and setting the bar for their contributing players.

Yes, it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his assistants on board with his vision for the TEAM. The head coach is the face of the TEAM in front of media and fans. The assistants do 99% of all of the coaching.

Remember Dave Roberts? When Baylor interviewed him from Notre Dame he brought in his coaching "playbook" and laid it on the table. It detailed just about every single day of a year on what his program (the TEAM) would be doing every hour. He had taken the Notre Dame way of running a team and simply replaced the words Notre Dame, Fighting Irish, etc. with Baylor Bears. He sold the Baylor folks. Organized like a champ but unable to put that plan into motion.

Maybe Dave is still trying to get his plan to fit into Baylor's culture. Maybe he has some assistants who just can't get the job done. Maybe the talent level is lacking. Whatever it is that is missing Dave has the experience and exposure to top notch programs to field a Top 10 team some day.

Our misses ~ Chuck Reedy, Dave Roberts, Kevin Steele, Guy Morriss, Matt Rhule have all been disappointments to just about everyone. That's about 25 to 30 years of futility in our 124 years of fielding a team. Baylor never has been a football factory. It never will be either. College football has been an area that Baylor leadership has struggled to largely figure out. Now that the NCAA and TV is killing the sport the landscape changing will put us even further behind the 8 ball.

Dave Aranda was at the helm leading the charge during our best year of football in our history. Dave did it without needing help from another Big 12 team. Without being a co-champ. The Baylor head coaching job is a tough spot to be in. It's going to get even tougher until schools step up and demand the sport return to its roots. For it is football as it was originally intended years ago that BU can compete.

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Incoherent lmao

Look at LSU, Auburn, Florida, Penn State. All have top 15 rosters for the last 10 years, and have underachieved due to coaching

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They all have a few common problems they brought upon themselves. Think about it.

FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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One guy's rah-rah is another guy's cussing .
Admit it. There's some cheers you like and some you don't. You have your favorite pom-poms.

You see Joey as a rah-rah guy but you've no idea what drills and how much drilling TTU does. He's a rah-rah guy cause you say he is. This makes sense in your world.

Now we get to read you backpedaling some on the rah-rah. Like I said, CLOWNSHOW

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I am sure that Tech drills the hell out of everything, no doubt. I think that Joey is probably a very good coaching basics guy. I thought he was a very good defensive coach at BU, his group seemed to perform well.

I digress a bit, but it is similar to baseball. I noticed that coaches don't "take infield" anymore, at least not in Wisconsin and FLA where my son played, but the few guys that did their teams always fielded well and knew where to go with the ball. My Dad and I used to scratch our heads as that was basic to team play. But, we were told that is not how they do it now. From what I see, individual development may be better, but team play is worse.

I see Joey very similar. I like watching Tech play, they are sound. I just can't stand the "Joey" love over all, similar to Rhule and Briles. They are like a bunch of teenage girls. Get over it, the guy left. Why, doesn't matter... He is gone, he is the enemy now.

I also think Aranda is in the wrong place for this NIL environment and Mack and Linda F-ed the guy. He beat Joey twice with equal talent. He was good at Wisky and LSU. His situation is very similar to what I saw with Rich Rod at Michigan, the boosters don't want him. They are not going to help him. He is going to dangle and they are going to continue their Briles love...

Is Joey better, I say no. They are about the same. But, I don't put much stock in Coaches. I have known too many Coaches...

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I like people
You like brands

I don't consider people I like to be the enemy

Thee University said:

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What you Madden All-Pros conveniently fail to take into account is that the head coach does next to ZERO actual coaching. Each assistant coach is the one truly motivating and setting the bar for their contributing players.

Yes, it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his assistants on board with his vision for the TEAM. The head coach is the face of the TEAM in front of media and fans. The assistants do 99% of all of the coaching.

Remember Dave Roberts? When Baylor interviewed him from Notre Dame he brought in his coaching "playbook" and laid it on the table. It detailed just about every single day of a year on what his program (the TEAM) would be doing every hour. He had taken the Notre Dame way of running a team and simply replaced the words Notre Dame, Fighting Irish, etc. with Baylor Bears. He sold the Baylor folks. Organized like a champ but unable to put that plan into motion.

Maybe Dave is still trying to get his plan to fit into Baylor's culture. Maybe he has some assistants who just can't get the job done. Maybe the talent level is lacking. Whatever it is that is missing Dave has the experience and exposure to top notch programs to field a Top 10 team some day.

Our misses ~ Chuck Reedy, Dave Roberts, Kevin Steele, Guy Morriss, Matt Rhule have all been disappointments to just about everyone. That's about 25 to 30 years of futility in our 124 years of fielding a team. Baylor never has been a football factory. It never will be either. College football has been an area that Baylor leadership has struggled to largely figure out. Now that the NCAA and TV is killing the sport the landscape changing will put us even further behind the 8 ball.

Dave Aranda was at the helm leading the charge during our best year of football in our history. Dave did it without needing help from another Big 12 team. Without being a co-champ. The Baylor head coaching job is a tough spot to be in. It's going to get even tougher until schools step up and demand the sport return to its roots. For it is football as it was originally intended years ago that BU can compete.

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I agree with this post in large part. However, Aranda needed help from Rhule's recruits, including a couple of current NFL standouts, to win the Big 12 in 2021.

OurOurs said:

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This whole conversation seems to be less about facts and more about personal allegiances. We seem to have found the infinite cornucopia.

Y'all resume arguing now. I'm going to cheer for the Big12 to show out in the CFP and also continue what has been a truly dominant start in MBB. And in my naivite, I will persist in hoping for the day Baylor can field an exciting, winning team again.

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Your final hope statement depends entirely on Baylor really desiring to field, and committing to fielding, an exciting, winning team again. To me, under present leadership, that prospect appears bleak. I look for evidence to the contrary and am just not seeing it, regardless of the official rhetoric. The real desire, IMO, is for Baylor to become the Harvard of a southern Ivy League (which is what a Magnolia League would be), and we know what kind of football is played in the original Ivy League.

Coaching matters a great deal.

But buying a cheat code to a turbo mode roster that dwarfs 90 percent of college football programs makes coaching mean somewhat less. Except between two turbo mode cheat code programs, then coaching makes a big difference again.

Between regular poors programs of reasonably equal talent, coaching has a pretty significant impact on W/L.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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One guy's rah-rah is another guy's cussing .
Admit it. There's some cheers you like and some you don't. You have your favorite pom-poms.

You see Joey as a rah-rah guy but you've no idea what drills and how much drilling TTU does. He's a rah-rah guy cause you say he is. This makes sense in your world.

Now we get to read you backpedaling some on the rah-rah. Like I said, CLOWNSHOW

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I am sure that Tech drills the hell out of everything, no doubt. I think that Joey is probably a very good coaching basics guy. I thought he was a very good defensive coach at BU, his group seemed to perform well.

I digress a bit, but it is similar to baseball. I noticed that coaches don't "take infield" anymore, at least not in Wisconsin and FLA where my son played, but the few guys that did their teams always fielded well and knew where to go with the ball. My Dad and I used to scratch our heads as that was basic to team play. But, we were told that is not how they do it now. From what I see, individual development may be better, but team play is worse.

I see Joey very similar. I like watching Tech play, they are sound. I just can't stand the "Joey" love over all, similar to Rhule and Briles. They are like a bunch of teenage girls. Get over it, the guy left. Why, doesn't matter... He is gone, he is the enemy now.

I also think Aranda is in the wrong place for this NIL environment and Mack and Linda F-ed the guy. He beat Joey twice with equal talent. He was good at Wisky and LSU. His situation is very similar to what I saw with Rich Rod at Michigan, the boosters don't want him. They are not going to help him. He is going to dangle and they are going to continue their Briles love...

Is Joey better, I say no. They are about the same. But, I don't put much stock in Coaches. I have known too many Coaches...

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I like people
You like brands

I don't consider people I like to be the enemy

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He coaches our opponent, he is the enemy by definition.

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OurOurs said:

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This whole conversation seems to be less about facts and more about personal allegiances. We seem to have found the infinite cornucopia.

Y'all resume arguing now. I'm going to cheer for the Big12 to show out in the CFP and also continue what has been a truly dominant start in MBB. And in my naivite, I will persist in hoping for the day Baylor can field an exciting, winning team again.

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The real desire, IMO, is for Baylor to become the Harvard of a southern Ivy League (which is what a Magnolia League would be), and we know what kind of football is played in the original Ivy League.

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Then they need to step it way, way up academically (Endownment outperformance recently is a good start). If they're really going to continue this half hearted lip service to competeing.. just bounce and become elite academically. Hopefully not before Drew gets his second natty, then call it a day.

Either way they need to commit to a path and go all the way in. No more half measures.

FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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One guy's rah-rah is another guy's cussing .
Admit it. There's some cheers you like and some you don't. You have your favorite pom-poms.

You see Joey as a rah-rah guy but you've no idea what drills and how much drilling TTU does. He's a rah-rah guy cause you say he is. This makes sense in your world.

Now we get to read you backpedaling some on the rah-rah. Like I said, CLOWNSHOW

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I am sure that Tech drills the hell out of everything, no doubt. I think that Joey is probably a very good coaching basics guy. I thought he was a very good defensive coach at BU, his group seemed to perform well.

I digress a bit, but it is similar to baseball. I noticed that coaches don't "take infield" anymore, at least not in Wisconsin and FLA where my son played, but the few guys that did their teams always fielded well and knew where to go with the ball. My Dad and I used to scratch our heads as that was basic to team play. But, we were told that is not how they do it now. From what I see, individual development may be better, but team play is worse.

I see Joey very similar. I like watching Tech play, they are sound. I just can't stand the "Joey" love over all, similar to Rhule and Briles. They are like a bunch of teenage girls. Get over it, the guy left. Why, doesn't matter... He is gone, he is the enemy now.

I also think Aranda is in the wrong place for this NIL environment and Mack and Linda F-ed the guy. He beat Joey twice with equal talent. He was good at Wisky and LSU. His situation is very similar to what I saw with Rich Rod at Michigan, the boosters don't want him. They are not going to help him. He is going to dangle and they are going to continue their Briles love...

Is Joey better, I say no. They are about the same. But, I don't put much stock in Coaches. I have known too many Coaches...

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I like people
You like brands

I don't consider people I like to be the enemy

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He coaches our opponent, he is the enemy by definition.

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He's a friend of my son. He's not my enemy.

Danielsjackson114 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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One guy's rah-rah is another guy's cussing .
Admit it. There's some cheers you like and some you don't. You have your favorite pom-poms.

You see Joey as a rah-rah guy but you've no idea what drills and how much drilling TTU does. He's a rah-rah guy cause you say he is. This makes sense in your world.

Now we get to read you backpedaling some on the rah-rah. Like I said, CLOWNSHOW

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I am sure that Tech drills the hell out of everything, no doubt. I think that Joey is probably a very good coaching basics guy. I thought he was a very good defensive coach at BU, his group seemed to perform well.

I digress a bit, but it is similar to baseball. I noticed that coaches don't "take infield" anymore, at least not in Wisconsin and FLA where my son played, but the few guys that did their teams always fielded well and knew where to go with the ball. My Dad and I used to scratch our heads as that was basic to team play. But, we were told that is not how they do it now. From what I see, individual development may be better, but team play is worse.

I see Joey very similar. I like watching Tech play, they are sound. I just can't stand the "Joey" love over all, similar to Rhule and Briles. They are like a bunch of teenage girls. Get over it, the guy left. Why, doesn't matter... He is gone, he is the enemy now.

I also think Aranda is in the wrong place for this NIL environment and Mack and Linda F-ed the guy. He beat Joey twice with equal talent. He was good at Wisky and LSU. His situation is very similar to what I saw with Rich Rod at Michigan, the boosters don't want him. They are not going to help him. He is going to dangle and they are going to continue their Briles love...

Is Joey better, I say no. They are about the same. But, I don't put much stock in Coaches. I have known too many Coaches...

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Incoherent lmao

Look at LSU, Auburn, Florida, Penn State. All have top 15 rosters for the last 10 years, and have underachieved due to coaching

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Really? Every team you have brought up plays in a Conference with the same type of money. Who has beaten Penn State to kill NC hopes? Ohio St. Who killed UF's and LSU's hope's? Bama, UGA

Show me a team that CONSISTENTLY takes less talent and beats the SEC and B10 heavies? You put Nick Saban in Iowa State, the outcome is very similar to Campbell's. You put him there when Chizick was there, the outcome is very similar. Something has to change for the outcome to change and it isn't a few drills or a coach yelling. It is players. How do you get players? You buy them. Has been that way since the 50's.

Name me ONE school outside the B10 and SEC that consistently beats them with Coaching.

241Bear said:

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Thee University said:

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What you Madden All-Pros conveniently fail to take into account is that the head coach does next to ZERO actual coaching. Each assistant coach is the one truly motivating and setting the bar for their contributing players.

Yes, it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his assistants on board with his vision for the TEAM. The head coach is the face of the TEAM in front of media and fans. The assistants do 99% of all of the coaching.

Remember Dave Roberts? When Baylor interviewed him from Notre Dame he brought in his coaching "playbook" and laid it on the table. It detailed just about every single day of a year on what his program (the TEAM) would be doing every hour. He had taken the Notre Dame way of running a team and simply replaced the words Notre Dame, Fighting Irish, etc. with Baylor Bears. He sold the Baylor folks. Organized like a champ but unable to put that plan into motion.

Maybe Dave is still trying to get his plan to fit into Baylor's culture. Maybe he has some assistants who just can't get the job done. Maybe the talent level is lacking. Whatever it is that is missing Dave has the experience and exposure to top notch programs to field a Top 10 team some day.

Our misses ~ Chuck Reedy, Dave Roberts, Kevin Steele, Guy Morriss, Matt Rhule have all been disappointments to just about everyone. That's about 25 to 30 years of futility in our 124 years of fielding a team. Baylor never has been a football factory. It never will be either. College football has been an area that Baylor leadership has struggled to largely figure out. Now that the NCAA and TV is killing the sport the landscape changing will put us even further behind the 8 ball.

Dave Aranda was at the helm leading the charge during our best year of football in our history. Dave did it without needing help from another Big 12 team. Without being a co-champ. The Baylor head coaching job is a tough spot to be in. It's going to get even tougher until schools step up and demand the sport return to its roots. For it is football as it was originally intended years ago that BU can compete.

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I agree with this post in large part. However, Aranda needed help from Rhule's recruits, including a couple of current NFL standouts, to win the Big 12 in 2021.

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It can reasonably be argued that Pitre under Snow doesn't land in the NFL because he was over-bulked and out of position during Rhule's tenure. Also, Rhule's roster alone wouldn't have won all those games: Shapen was key in spots, and Ika, Gall, Doyle (run stuffing), Estrada (run blocking and sure hands on key downs) were also instrumental in that season's success.

But rehashing old discussions aside, Thee is dead on here about most HCs having no direct involvement in player development (at least on the on-field side of things). What's so funny is that Joey and other coaches are getting all this developmental credit when Dave actually literally position-coached Key Thomas these last two years and now the kid is in line to get PAID (hopefully by us).

Thee University said:

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What you Madden All-Pros conveniently fail to take into account is that the head coach does next to ZERO actual coaching. Each assistant coach is the one truly motivating and setting the bar for their contributing players.

Yes, it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his assistants on board with his vision for the TEAM. The head coach is the face of the TEAM in front of media and fans. The assistants do 99% of all of the coaching.

Remember Dave Roberts? When Baylor interviewed him from Notre Dame he brought in his coaching "playbook" and laid it on the table. It detailed just about every single day of a year on what his program (the TEAM) would be doing every hour. He had taken the Notre Dame way of running a team and simply replaced the words Notre Dame, Fighting Irish, etc. with Baylor Bears. He sold the Baylor folks. Organized like a champ but unable to put that plan into motion.

Maybe Dave is still trying to get his plan to fit into Baylor's culture. Maybe he has some assistants who just can't get the job done. Maybe the talent level is lacking. Whatever it is that is missing Dave has the experience and exposure to top notch programs to field a Top 10 team some day.

Our misses ~ Chuck Reedy, Dave Roberts, Kevin Steele, Guy Morriss, Matt Rhule have all been disappointments to just about everyone. That's about 25 to 30 years of futility in our 124 years of fielding a team. Baylor never has been a football factory. It never will be either. College football has been an area that Baylor leadership has struggled to largely figure out. Now that the NCAA and TV is killing the sport the landscape changing will put us even further behind the 8 ball.

Dave Aranda was at the helm leading the charge during our best year of football in our history. Dave did it without needing help from another Big 12 team. Without being a co-champ. The Baylor head coaching job is a tough spot to be in. It's going to get even tougher until schools step up and demand the sport return to its roots. For it is football as it was originally intended years ago that BU can compete.

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No wonder people despise you on here. Briles and Aranda were two VERY DIFFERENT time periods in College Football, and Baylor Football, moreover.

The post some of the dumbest ****

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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One guy's rah-rah is another guy's cussing .
Admit it. There's some cheers you like and some you don't. You have your favorite pom-poms.

You see Joey as a rah-rah guy but you've no idea what drills and how much drilling TTU does. He's a rah-rah guy cause you say he is. This makes sense in your world.

Now we get to read you backpedaling some on the rah-rah. Like I said, CLOWNSHOW

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I am sure that Tech drills the hell out of everything, no doubt. I think that Joey is probably a very good coaching basics guy. I thought he was a very good defensive coach at BU, his group seemed to perform well.

I digress a bit, but it is similar to baseball. I noticed that coaches don't "take infield" anymore, at least not in Wisconsin and FLA where my son played, but the few guys that did their teams always fielded well and knew where to go with the ball. My Dad and I used to scratch our heads as that was basic to team play. But, we were told that is not how they do it now. From what I see, individual development may be better, but team play is worse.

I see Joey very similar. I like watching Tech play, they are sound. I just can't stand the "Joey" love over all, similar to Rhule and Briles. They are like a bunch of teenage girls. Get over it, the guy left. Why, doesn't matter... He is gone, he is the enemy now.

I also think Aranda is in the wrong place for this NIL environment and Mack and Linda F-ed the guy. He beat Joey twice with equal talent. He was good at Wisky and LSU. His situation is very similar to what I saw with Rich Rod at Michigan, the boosters don't want him. They are not going to help him. He is going to dangle and they are going to continue their Briles love...

Is Joey better, I say no. They are about the same. But, I don't put much stock in Coaches. I have known too many Coaches...

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I like people
You like brands

I don't consider people I like to be the enemy

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He coaches our opponent, he is the enemy by definition.

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He's a friend of my son. He's not my enemy.

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Really? You never played against a friend and wanted to kick his ass? You think Joey considers Baylor not his enemy because he knows your son? Maybe that explains why Dave beat him twice, he didn't want to hurt your Son's feelings.


Did you play sports? Contact sports?

Danielsjackson114 said:

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Thee University said:

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What you Madden All-Pros conveniently fail to take into account is that the head coach does next to ZERO actual coaching. Each assistant coach is the one truly motivating and setting the bar for their contributing players.

Yes, it is the responsibility of the head coach to get his assistants on board with his vision for the TEAM. The head coach is the face of the TEAM in front of media and fans. The assistants do 99% of all of the coaching.

Remember Dave Roberts? When Baylor interviewed him from Notre Dame he brought in his coaching "playbook" and laid it on the table. It detailed just about every single day of a year on what his program (the TEAM) would be doing every hour. He had taken the Notre Dame way of running a team and simply replaced the words Notre Dame, Fighting Irish, etc. with Baylor Bears. He sold the Baylor folks. Organized like a champ but unable to put that plan into motion.

Maybe Dave is still trying to get his plan to fit into Baylor's culture. Maybe he has some assistants who just can't get the job done. Maybe the talent level is lacking. Whatever it is that is missing Dave has the experience and exposure to top notch programs to field a Top 10 team some day.

Our misses ~ Chuck Reedy, Dave Roberts, Kevin Steele, Guy Morriss, Matt Rhule have all been disappointments to just about everyone. That's about 25 to 30 years of futility in our 124 years of fielding a team. Baylor never has been a football factory. It never will be either. College football has been an area that Baylor leadership has struggled to largely figure out. Now that the NCAA and TV is killing the sport the landscape changing will put us even further behind the 8 ball.

Dave Aranda was at the helm leading the charge during our best year of football in our history. Dave did it without needing help from another Big 12 team. Without being a co-champ. The Baylor head coaching job is a tough spot to be in. It's going to get even tougher until schools step up and demand the sport return to its roots. For it is football as it was originally intended years ago that BU can compete.

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No wonder people despise you on here. Briles and Aranda were two VERY DIFFERENT time periods in College Football, and Baylor Football, moreover.

The post some of the dumbest ****

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Danielsjackson114
Joined: Dec 9, 2025

You're about two weeks late coming to this realization.

Better late than never.

Welcome to the Bored Board

FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Thee University said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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One guy's rah-rah is another guy's cussing .
Admit it. There's some cheers you like and some you don't. You have your favorite pom-poms.

You see Joey as a rah-rah guy but you've no idea what drills and how much drilling TTU does. He's a rah-rah guy cause you say he is. This makes sense in your world.

Now we get to read you backpedaling some on the rah-rah. Like I said, CLOWNSHOW

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I am sure that Tech drills the hell out of everything, no doubt. I think that Joey is probably a very good coaching basics guy. I thought he was a very good defensive coach at BU, his group seemed to perform well.

I digress a bit, but it is similar to baseball. I noticed that coaches don't "take infield" anymore, at least not in Wisconsin and FLA where my son played, but the few guys that did their teams always fielded well and knew where to go with the ball. My Dad and I used to scratch our heads as that was basic to team play. But, we were told that is not how they do it now. From what I see, individual development may be better, but team play is worse.

I see Joey very similar. I like watching Tech play, they are sound. I just can't stand the "Joey" love over all, similar to Rhule and Briles. They are like a bunch of teenage girls. Get over it, the guy left. Why, doesn't matter... He is gone, he is the enemy now.

I also think Aranda is in the wrong place for this NIL environment and Mack and Linda F-ed the guy. He beat Joey twice with equal talent. He was good at Wisky and LSU. His situation is very similar to what I saw with Rich Rod at Michigan, the boosters don't want him. They are not going to help him. He is going to dangle and they are going to continue their Briles love...

Is Joey better, I say no. They are about the same. But, I don't put much stock in Coaches. I have known too many Coaches...

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I like people
You like brands

I don't consider people I like to be the enemy

---

He coaches our opponent, he is the enemy by definition.

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He's a friend of my son. He's not my enemy.

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Really? You never played against a friend and wanted to kick his ass? You think Joey considers Baylor not his enemy because he knows your son? Maybe that explains why Dave beat him twice, he didn't want to hurt your Son's feelings.


Did you play sports? Contact sports?

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My sons not Baylor
I'm not Baylor

I'm Joe Waco

I'm the one that buys BU season tickets when the alumni that live in Houston and DFW don't or want make the drive because the product on the field isn't worth the drive.

Dia del DougO said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Texas Tech couldn't afford to get the hire wrong. Joey McGuire was an improbable candidate. But after his first interview, it was obvious.

"We found our guy."

Deep dive on the 2021 coaching search and why McGuire was the perfect fit to fix @TexasTechFB: https://t.co/7kHdNtObBJ

— Max Olson (@max_olson) December 30, 2025

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Mack didn't see it the same way.

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Not necessarily Mack not seeing it that way.

Fascinating fascinating article. Everyone on this board should read it.

Mack not wanting to upset an old friend at UTSA if McGuire took the UTSA job and then wanting to come back to Baylor as head coach.

The Blanchard contract negotiations.

Cody Campbell and Kirby Hocutt not being on speaking terms for a couple years.

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I agree with this post in large part. However, Aranda needed help from Rhule's recruits, including a couple of current NFL standouts, to win the Big 12 in 2021.

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You play with the hand dealt you.

Most posters on here used to cry about how sorry "Little Mattie" was until Dave took over and in his 2nd year won the Big 12.

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I agree with this post in large part. However, Aranda needed help from Rhule's recruits, including a couple of current NFL standouts, to win the Big 12 in 2021.

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You play with the hand dealt you.

Most posters on here used to cry about how sorry "Little Mattie" was until Dave took over and in his 2nd year won the Big 12.

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Agree. Rhule laid the foundation and Aranda completed the job. Now, is he the coach to return us to a competitive level…?

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Lord.. you literally called him a 'high school cheerleader coach who had $40 mil dropped on him'.

That ain't a compliment.

No one can ever answer me this. What about the coaches and programs who were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a home run like Sark... Lanning.... and Day.... why are we not discussing their roster costs.?

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Yes I did and I stand by that assessment. Some kids (even an occasional college athlete) need a syrupy, high school pep talk to get up. They are usually the nuggs, the scout teamers, practice fodder.

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I bet Corky was always level headed, even keeled, and never said anything to motivate a person. No need for a rah rah from Corky.

Thee clown show is gonna clown show

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Corky didn't talk to Nuggs. He yelled at them to give us a better picture during practice.

Rah-rah from Corky. Maybe if you were a Marine in basic training. Rah-rah if you didn't mind getting your helmet nearly ripped off your head in front of 50,000 to 75,000 people during a game. Pushed around. Kicked in the butt. Pushed. Shoved. Cussed out like we were dawgs. Run through drills continually until you pass out or hyperventilate.

Guess what. I still respected him and would follow him into any battle, and did.

Rah-rah? I've seen bluechippers crying during practice. Some quit and left Baylor.

My clown show is the truth. College athletes, the vast majority, roll their eyes when a coach tries to motivate with high school pep talks. Yes, some players needed it. Most starters did not. I found this true with other teams around the nation. I had a Notre Dame teammate who told hilarious stories of Gerry Faust (former high school coaching legend (178-23-2 record) failing miserably at Notre Dame (73-79-4) to deliver pre-game pep talks.

Clown Show? Maybe. I've been there and listened to both NFL Hall of Fame coaches and College Football HOF coaches deliver all types of pregame talks.

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One guy's rah-rah is another guy's cussing .
Admit it. There's some cheers you like and some you don't. You have your favorite pom-poms.

You see Joey as a rah-rah guy but you've no idea what drills and how much drilling TTU does. He's a rah-rah guy cause you say he is. This makes sense in your world.

Now we get to read you backpedaling some on the rah-rah. Like I said, CLOWNSHOW

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I am sure that Tech drills the hell out of everything, no doubt. I think that Joey is probably a very good coaching basics guy. I thought he was a very good defensive coach at BU, his group seemed to perform well.

I digress a bit, but it is similar to baseball. I noticed that coaches don't "take infield" anymore, at least not in Wisconsin and FLA where my son played, but the few guys that did their teams always fielded well and knew where to go with the ball. My Dad and I used to scratch our heads as that was basic to team play. But, we were told that is not how they do it now. From what I see, individual development may be better, but team play is worse.

I see Joey very similar. I like watching Tech play, they are sound. I just can't stand the "Joey" love over all, similar to Rhule and Briles. They are like a bunch of teenage girls. Get over it, the guy left. Why, doesn't matter... He is gone, he is the enemy now.

I also think Aranda is in the wrong place for this NIL environment and Mack and Linda F-ed the guy. He beat Joey twice with equal talent. He was good at Wisky and LSU. His situation is very similar to what I saw with Rich Rod at Michigan, the boosters don't want him. They are not going to help him. He is going to dangle and they are going to continue their Briles love...

Is Joey better, I say no. They are about the same. But, I don't put much stock in Coaches. I have known too many Coaches...

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I like people
You like brands

I don't consider people I like to be the enemy

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He coaches our opponent, he is the enemy by definition.

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He's a friend of my son. He's not my enemy.

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Really? You never played against a friend and wanted to kick his ass? You think Joey considers Baylor not his enemy because he knows your son? Maybe that explains why Dave beat him twice, he didn't want to hurt your Son's feelings.


Did you play sports? Contact sports?

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My sons not Baylor
I'm not Baylor

I'm Joe Waco

I'm the one that buys BU season tickets when the alumni that live in Houston and DFW don't or want make the drive because the product on the field isn't worth the drive.

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What does that have to do with the discussion? You said Joey was not your enemy because he and your son are buds. I said he is the HC of a major rival, he is your enemy if you are a BU fan. He certainly is not gonna take it easy on BU because of all the warm fuzzy memories and relationships. I am glad you support BU, more power to you.

Joey did what he was supposed to with the talent he was given. I hope they win the Playoff, I like Tech better than the other Schools playing. But, he is nothing but the enemy coach. Not "Joey" the friend of Baylor. He lost that when he left. So goes it when you take the multi-million dollar contract.

Theres been so much focus on the money it took to get Texas Tech into the College Football Playoff, it’s easy to forget they have a coach.

His name is Joey McGuire and it’s time to give him his flowers.

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— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) December 31, 2025