Bingo. Everyone should envy Dave. He gets to suck at his job every year and pocket millions. No other P4 coach would survive at their program.

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Bingo. Everyone should envy Dave. He gets to suck at his job every year and pocket millions. No other P4 coach would survive at their program.

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I envy Michigan. I wish Dave had a side piece and was an absolute Gooner so we could fire him for cause.

Dave's a cockroach. He would miraculously survive that situation as well.

I found this YouTube breakdown of Curt Cignetti very interesting. As it says in the comments... McKinsey would charge $1.2M for this sort of market analysis

• Clear out ineffective management
• Hire a proven executive who can manage a portfolio of human assets
• Eliminate bad assets (players & coaches)
• Acquire players & coaches with proven production over potential. (i.e. recruit 2 & 3 star players with 2 years of game tape at the collegiate level rather than 4 and 5 star HS players).

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The video details how *curt cignetti* engineered the rapid turnaround of the *indiana hoosiers* football program, framing it as a successful *business restructuring**. This approach, inspired by Nick Saban's methods, showcases effective **business management* and a clear *business strategy* that transformed a struggling asset into a playoff contender. Discover the framework behind this extraordinary college football success story.

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Jacques Strap said:

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I found this YouTube breakdown of Curt Cignetti very interesting. As it says in the comments... McKinsey would charge $1.2M for this sort of market analysis

• Clear out ineffective management
• Hire a proven executive who can manage a portfolio of human assets
• Eliminate bad assets (players & coaches)
• Acquire players & coaches with proven production over potential. (i.e. recruit 2 & 3 star players with 2 years of game tape at the collegiate level rather than 4 and 5 star HS players).

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The video details how *curt cignetti* engineered the rapid turnaround of the *indiana hoosiers* football program, framing it as a successful *business restructuring**. This approach, inspired by Nick Saban's methods, showcases effective **business management* and a clear *business strategy* that transformed a struggling asset into a playoff contender. Discover the framework behind this extraordinary college football success story.

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Fascinating! Thanks for posting.

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Buying 15 straight seasons of 30 million dollar teams is still less than what we have spent on new facilities over the past 15 years.

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Briles' success (or more accurately, the BMB's excitement regarding his success) built McLane...and it's been a huge boost to the program to have one of the best stadiums in the country (irrespective of size), to perhaps even more to the point, NIL wasn't an spend option when it was built.

Whether the Fudge center was a better spend than the same amount being put into an investment fund to seed NIL money or not is a question, but we don't know the decision making that went into it, and further we don't get to tell BMBs how to spend their generous donations.

An important data point here is that the Fudge puts Baylor at the forefront of programs nationally in terms of practice facilities, especially regarding peers like TCU etc.Only the bluest of bloods have flat out better setups. So when NIL is comparable, infrastructure does impact croot decision making.

So I think it was a good spend, because now Baylor has only NIL to focus on, rather than still needing to play catch-up on facilities too.

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Bearknuckle said:

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So I don't envy Doug, Aaron and Dave right now...I'm sure none of those three guys is getting much sleep right now...

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I envy Dave. He has made millions of dollars. We are talking I could retire in style money with last years and this years money. I wish I could be below average at my job for two years and be able to retire well.

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yeah and I envy Jimbo Fischer and on and on including every dumbass CEO who ever got a golden parachute after running the plane out of gas or steering it towards a mountain.

But regardless, I was referencing the decision making they have to do regarding NIL spend/roster budget. Here's your chance to show everyone you deserve Dave level money by explaining the obvious course of action...

Do like the government and spend it all. No, seriously it depends on whether or not I think one of the other quarterbacks would be a serviceable Big12 starter next season. Unfortunately, the QB's we still have did not get much time on the field this year, so as a fan I would not be able to judge this accurately. We will also need to add a WR or 2. Our receiving corps is graduating. Porter I think is the only one returning that has looked good in limited playing time.

Except for a spot here or there, we need to throw or money into the trenches. Our DL rarely ever pressured the QB and our OL needs a significant upgrade. I think we need to be smarter than Jerry Jones. We shouldn't throw our money at a couple guys of stars that sell jerseys instead of building a team that can compete.

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Do like the government and spend it all. No, seriously it depends on whether or not I think one of the other quarterbacks would be a serviceable Big12 starter next season. Unfortunately, the QB's we still have did not get much time on the field this year, so as a fan I would not be able to judge this accurately. We will also need to add a WR or 2. Our receiving corps is graduating. Porter I think is the only one returning that has looked good in limited playing time.

Except for a spot here or there, we need to throw or money into the trenches. Our DL rarely ever pressured the QB and our OL needs a significant upgrade. I think we need to be smarter than Jerry Jones. We shouldn't throw our money at a couple guys of stars that sell jerseys instead of building a team that can compete.

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I'm in general agreement with you...but then there's the issue of booster engagement.

If one or more of the BMBs insists you have to get DJ if they bear the cost while you're simultaneously struggling to get enough BMB support to rebuild the trenches to a championship level and also addressing other areas of need (WR as you referenced)...that's a conundrum. Thus the lack of envy on my part.

But to your point above - pay me the money they're making and I'll sweat it out as best I can!

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PartyBear said:

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Buying 15 straight seasons of 30 million dollar teams is still less than what we have spent on new facilities over the past 15 years.

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Briles' success (or more accurately, the BMB's excitement regarding his success) built McLane...and it's been a huge boost to the program to have one of the best stadiums in the country (irrespective of size), to perhaps even more to the point, NIL wasn't an spend option when it was built.

Whether the Fudge center was a better spend than the same amount being put into an investment fund to seed NIL money or not is a question, but we don't know the decision making that went into it, and further we don't get to tell BMBs how to spend their generous donations.

An important data point here is that the Fudge puts Baylor at the forefront of programs nationally in terms of practice facilities, especially regarding peers like TCU etc.Only the bluest of bloods have flat out better setups. So when NIL is comparable, infrastructure does impact croot decision making.

So I think it was a good spend, because now Baylor has only NIL to focus on, rather than still needing to play catch-up on facilities too.

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My point is not that we shouldn't not have spent on facilities. My point is that we are not poor like some posters imply.

Freshman highlights. Strength his arm would have Spav salivating. I love how he is willing to stand in the pocket and step into throws despite pressure. Also big enough he should be a short yardage great which is huge. Christmas wish list #1.

There's a WR from Praire view A&M who put up some big numbers this past season 1,100 yds and 8tds looks like a legit talent would be a nice get

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There's a WR from Praire view A&M who put up some big numbers this past season 1,100 yds and 8tds looks like a legit talent would be a nice get

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https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4689118/jyzaiah-rockwell

CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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Theoretically, he could be a big difference.

Theoretically, Walker White can also do what he does (they both have cannon arms and tank bodies that are surprisingly fast/nimble).

Pure 'GM' mode: go big on every other position and trust Spav's QB room as is...
Pure 'Owner' mode: bring in the big name to juice excitement

There's no clearly right answer, but one of these feels more Jerry Jones, and one feels more Bob Kraft.

CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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I'm not sure how much marketing it is considering how mixed the enthusiasm is. It's only slightly marketable because he is a legacy family guy. Overall, there's a lot of meh... opinions about him,

But I'll take him if he's coming for a decent price.

Bearknuckle said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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Theoretically, he could be a big difference.

Theoretically, Walker White can also do what he does (they both have cannon arms and tank bodies that are surprisingly fast/nimble).

Pure 'GM' mode: go big on every other position and trust Spav's QB room as is...
Pure 'Owner' mode: bring in the big name to juice excitement

There's no clearly right answer, but one of these feels more Jerry Jones, and one feels more Bob Kraft.

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Bringing in lagway might also convince some donors to give more because shows there actually might be something brewing with this team and it's easier to imagine a clear ROI.

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Bearknuckle said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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Theoretically, he could be a big difference.

Theoretically, Walker White can also do what he does (they both have cannon arms and tank bodies that are surprisingly fast/nimble).

Pure 'GM' mode: go big on every other position and trust Spav's QB room as is...
Pure 'Owner' mode: bring in the big name to juice excitement

There's no clearly right answer, but one of these feels more Jerry Jones, and one feels more Bob Kraft.

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Bringing in lagway might also convince some donors to give more because shows there actually might be something brewing with this team and it's easier to imagine a clear ROI.

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I mean ... right now you absolutely need something to sell to your donors.

Dia del DougO said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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I'm not sure how much marketing it is considering how mixed the enthusiasm is. It's only slightly marketable because he is a legacy family guy. Overall, there's a lot of meh... opinions about him,

But I'll take him if he's coming for a decent price.

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This is just what I believe is going through the minds of the athletic department. Like I said, it's a desperation move to generate hype from an increasingly apathetic fan base.

CaliBear00 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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I'm not sure how much marketing it is considering how mixed the enthusiasm is. It's only slightly marketable because he is a legacy family guy. Overall, there's a lot of meh... opinions about him,

But I'll take him if he's coming for a decent price.

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This is just what I believe is going through the minds of the athletic department. Like I said, it's a desperation move to generate hype from an increasingly apathetic fan base.

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This comment also suggests that the AD is dictating personnel to the coaching staff. I think that's unlikely. The AD wants to win and if the coaches say we need this player to win he may very well help them find the money but the notion he is finding someone to sell a few tickets seems implausible to me. The average Baylor fan has no clue who his dad was or cares. I was there nearly the entire time lagway played and barely anyone knew anything or cared about the team at that time. Most also don't know or care Dj was such a big recruit.

It would be very shortsighted financially to bring him in to sell few opening game tickets to recruiting nerds if it didn't help team long term.

CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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I disagree that lagway wouldn't make the team better. I will go on record saying that he will at least be a decent quarterback for us IF he can stay healthy, and that's a big if. My fear is that we're going to land him and he's going to get seriously injured by like game three. He's had a lot of injury issues. But in all fairness, he does have a lot of talent, and it isn't every day that Baylor lands a former five star recruit

While I am not going to root for Baylor to lose, my general fear is that we're going to pull out the stops and overpay for a bunch of players this year so as to allow Dave to win six or seven games next year and keep his job for 2027. I also think that if Lagway has even a decent year, he'll jump in the portal and go back to the SEC. So I admit I don't really see a lot of financial responsibility in paying a guy a seven figures or whatever to win just enough to keep a bad coach and then hit the portal. But all that said, I do think he would be a good addition to the team in a general sense

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CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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I disagree that lagway wouldn't make the team better. I will go on record saying that he will at least be a decent quarterback for us IF he can stay healthy, and that's a big if. My fear is that we're going to land him and he's going to get seriously injured by like game three. He's had a lot of injury issues. But in all fairness, he does have a lot of talent, and it isn't every day that Baylor lands a former five star recruit

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Considering the kind of O-line we're going to have, it's going to be difficult for him to stay healthy long enough to make any difference. We should just go with the guys we have in the QB room. We're set there.

Source confirms to @On3sports that Josh Hoover will be hitting the portal. Another QB domino at play. https://t.co/W2JgkGtO5x

— Pete Nakos (@PeteNakos) December 19, 2025

CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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Agree.

It will be as big a mistake as Finn.

Youre a clown said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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I disagree that lagway wouldn't make the team better. I will go on record saying that he will at least be a decent quarterback for us IF he can stay healthy, and that's a big if. My fear is that we're going to land him and he's going to get seriously injured by like game three. He's had a lot of injury issues. But in all fairness, he does have a lot of talent, and it isn't every day that Baylor lands a former five star recruit

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He wasn't a decent QB for UF, a team that had much more talent around him than BU will have next year.

Youre a clown said:

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While I am not going to root for Baylor to lose, my general fear is that we're going to pull out the stops and overpay for a bunch of players this year so as to allow Dave to win six or seven games next year and keep his job for 2027.

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If that isn't fireable then what are we doing here. I would think it has to be 9 wins minimum and even then he should be out. This should be a formality.

And on Lagway, for whatever reason I thought there was more mobility there. Just from the initial watch.. not sure if the mobility translates to high D1. Has some ability in short yardage or to manuever around the pocket but doesn't look like a legit dual threat. Hopefullly thats a result of system and conference he was in.

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Youre a clown said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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I disagree that lagway wouldn't make the team better. I will go on record saying that he will at least be a decent quarterback for us IF he can stay healthy, and that's a big if. My fear is that we're going to land him and he's going to get seriously injured by like game three. He's had a lot of injury issues. But in all fairness, he does have a lot of talent, and it isn't every day that Baylor lands a former five star recruit

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He wasn't a decent QB for UF, a team that had much more talent around him than BU will have next year.

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This last season? That's true. His freshman year, he led Florida to 85, and most on here would have been ecstatic to land him. but I do think he'd have some things going for him here that are different than Florida. With NIL and the transfer portal, the gap between SEC and the Big 12 is like high school and junior high, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Spavital's system is also more simple and quarterback friendly than what he had going at UF. Lastly, a lot of his issues this year were because he was playing in a perpetually semi-injured state, hence why I brought up the injury concern

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Youre a clown said:

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While I am not going to root for Baylor to lose, my general fear is that we're going to pull out the stops and overpay for a bunch of players this year so as to allow Dave to win six or seven games next year and keep his job for 2027.

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If that isn't fireable then what are we doing here. I would think it has to be 9 wins minimum and even then he should be out. This should be a formality.

And on Lagway, for whatever reason I thought there was more mobility there. Just from the initial watch.. not sure if the mobility translates to high D1. Has some ability in short yardage or to manuever around the pocket but doesn't look like a legit dual threat. Hopefullly thats a result of system and conference he was in.

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From the highlight videos I've seen, he can and occasionally does pull off some runs where he shows off good speed and agility for a player his size. I've also seen him make plenty of plays where he evades pressure in the pocket. But going back to my previous post, he's hurt a lot, and I think he/his coaches were being more conservative with his running. He's not RGIII, but he's decently athletic for a quarterback his size

Realitybites said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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It appears that Baylor is serious about getting Lagway, and it's clear what the real intent is. This isn't a football move, it's purely a marketing move.

They know keeping Aranda was a wildly unpopular decision. Getting Lagway to sign on is a face saving move to sell tickets and generate hype, and that's all.

Lagway is unlikely to make the team any better, but at least Baylor would be spared the embarrassment of an empty stadium for the home opener.

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Agree.

It will be as big a mistake as Finn.

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Not that big. Lagway has at least competed against top level competition.

He's not terrible. He's got skills. He has potential to be better, perhaps in a new situation that might be a better fit.

I just don't want it to cost a couple of OL or DL in the process of getting him.