TellMeYouLoveMe said:
football follies aside, I have significant concerns about the involvement of Buddy Jones in the ongoing operations of Baylor University.
I still can't tell which one is the cuck: the board or Buddy.
What is the evidence the CAB staff covered up crimes?
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I still can't tell which one is the cuck: the board or Buddy.
Robert Wilson said:Keyser Soze said:
here is an exapmple
On September 13 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."
That is not opinion. That is a statement of fact - now it may be right or wrong, but it is not an opinion.
Do you have anything to refute that example?
This is the parade of horribles? Seriously?
It appears that the cost benefit analysis here may have been very poorly done.
The firing was about the bad morals of the players, not the criminality of the players. Maybe it also had to do with differing morals between Briles and the regents as well, but since he got bought off, got the letter, and isn't under criminal prosecution it's pretty obvious he isn't what espn said he was.
The regents need to realize that most athletes (and people in general) won't live up to Christian standards. This has gotten worse over time, and it's not reversing.
If they want to win games They're going to have to accept those facts. If they can't, they need to decide to de-emphasize sports and actually make that stand publicly. Straddling the fence as we're doing now will never work and it's dishonest and hypocritical.
Malbec said:He was even more specific than that. He tied five coaches by name to the covering up of rapes, including the current head coach at Syracuse. If there is evidence, as he stated, of such criminal activity and Baylor has not acted upon that evidence by providing it to law enforcement (and after retaining the 3 coaches that remained on staff), then the university's administration is further criminally culpable. But, surely they provided this evidence of crimes to the Texas Rangers during their investigation?Mothra said:
Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?
You forget that the Rangers were here out of political pressure, not out of a true investigation because they primarily do "cold case" investigations now for the most par.. The Rangers came to Waco because the legislature was in session at the time and there were some state reps and senators demagoguing the issue and one state rep filed a bill to force them to investigate.
Krieg said:Robert Wilson said:Keyser Soze said:
here is an exapmple
On September 13 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."
That is not opinion. That is a statement of fact - now it may be right or wrong, but it is not an opinion.
Do you have anything to refute that example?
This is the parade of horribles? Seriously?
It appears that the cost benefit analysis here may have been very poorly done.
The firing was about the bad morals of the players, not the criminality of the players. Maybe it also had to do with differing morals between Briles and the regents as well, but since he got bought off, got the letter, and isn't under criminal prosecution it's pretty obvious he isn't what espn said he was.
The regents need to realize that most athletes (and people in general) won't live up to Christian standards. This has gotten worse over time, and it's not reversing.
If they want to win games They're going to have to accept those facts. If they can't, they need to decide to de-emphasize sports and actually make that stand publicly. Straddling the fence as we're doing now will never work and it's dishonest and hypocritical.
There are many things on the list of alleged acts that your run of the mill atheist would have a problem with.
Keyser Soze said:Krieg said:Robert Wilson said:Keyser Soze said:
here is an exapmple
On September 13 2013, Shillinglaw sent a text to Coach Briles about a player who got a massage and "supposedly exposed himself and asked for favors. She [masseuse] has a lawyer but wants us to handle with discipline and counseling." Coach Briles' first response was "What kind of discipline She a stripper?" When Shillinglaw said the player made the request at a salon and spa while getting a massage, Coach Briles wrote, "Not quite as bad."
That is not opinion. That is a statement of fact - now it may be right or wrong, but it is not an opinion.
Do you have anything to refute that example?
This is the parade of horribles? Seriously?
It appears that the cost benefit analysis here may have been very poorly done.
The firing was about the bad morals of the players, not the criminality of the players. Maybe it also had to do with differing morals between Briles and the regents as well, but since he got bought off, got the letter, and isn't under criminal prosecution it's pretty obvious he isn't what espn said he was.
The regents need to realize that most athletes (and people in general) won't live up to Christian standards. This has gotten worse over time, and it's not reversing.
If they want to win games They're going to have to accept those facts. If they can't, they need to decide to de-emphasize sports and actually make that stand publicly. Straddling the fence as we're doing now will never work and it's dishonest and hypocritical.
There are many things on the list of alleged acts that your run of the mill atheist would have a problem with.
But they wouldn't have a good reason for it.
Notice how Keysers whole arguement changes after He was shut down on the "incriminating" text messages about the masseuse and how that had no barring on anything regarding a coverup by Briles, title ix matter, etc. No response. But now He Dodges and rerouted.
He was FAR less worried about emails from BOR members and the little evil tarts.
He was FAR less worried about emails from BOR members and the little evil tarts.
You really need better reading comprehension -
Anyone skipping ahead that wants to save time let me summarize....
The Board of Regents says Briles did bad things and that is considered "evidence" by Keyser (and a few others who I have blocked).
But to those that scrutinize the intentions of the BOR and to those looking at the actual meaning of evidence, the answer to the original question is no. He did not cover up rape or sexual assault.
The Board of Regents says Briles did bad things and that is considered "evidence" by Keyser (and a few others who I have blocked).
But to those that scrutinize the intentions of the BOR and to those looking at the actual meaning of evidence, the answer to the original question is no. He did not cover up rape or sexual assault.
"We are unaware of any situation where you personally had contact with anyone who directly reported to you being the victim of sexual assault or that you directly discouraged the victim of an alleged sexual assault from reporting to law enforcement or university officials. Nor are we aware of any situation where you played a student athlete who had been found responsible for sexual assault.”
- Chris Holmes, Baylor General Counsel
- Chris Holmes, Baylor General Counsel
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Keyser Soze said:
You really need better reading comprehension -
Another dodge and reroute. Noted.
Keyser Soze said:
You really need better reading comprehension -
LOL. You certainly have no room to talk.
Just a few comments.
If anyone here is brave enough to go to a spa/salon and ask for a happy ending, I say go right ahead. Two things that might happen:
1) she will inform her manager, the manager will call the police. If they buy her story, criminal chargers are filed and if the player loses, voila, he's now on the sex offender registry.
2) pray to god the girl doesn't have a hothead boyfriend. This is how altercations start. Particularly in small towns.
Times have changed and internet sensationalism is the norm. Im just saying it's. It quite the nonevent people say it is.
If anyone here is brave enough to go to a spa/salon and ask for a happy ending, I say go right ahead. Two things that might happen:
1) she will inform her manager, the manager will call the police. If they buy her story, criminal chargers are filed and if the player loses, voila, he's now on the sex offender registry.
2) pray to god the girl doesn't have a hothead boyfriend. This is how altercations start. Particularly in small towns.
Times have changed and internet sensationalism is the norm. Im just saying it's. It quite the nonevent people say it is.
Robemcdo said:
The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .
Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.
That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.
Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.
Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.
Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.
What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.
He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.
now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.
But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.
You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.
I can't wait to read the responses to this one.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Robemcdo said:
The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .
Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.
That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.
Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.
Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.
Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.
What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.
He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.
now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.
But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.
You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.
Mothra said:
As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes
Interesting that you think evidence is more important to lawyers than it is to non-lawyers. Yet another example of why most folks do not like, nor have any respect for, lawyers and tell jokes about them.
TellMeYouLoveMe said:Robemcdo said:
The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .
Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.
That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.
Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.
Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.
Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.
What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.
He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.
now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.
But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.
You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.
Unfortunately, this thread has turned into another pro Briles versus anti-Briles thread. Moderators, feel free to shut it down.
One comment in closing: anyone who thinks files was fired because of his flirting with UT or Kim Mulkey calling him out doesn't have their head on straight.
Further proof that some people take offense to the most ridiculous things.
bring back Briles!
TellMeYouLoveMe said:Robemcdo said:
The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .
Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.
That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.
Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.
Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.
Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.
What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.
He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.
now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.
But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.
You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.
So the board opted for nothing it looks like.
Thanks, Mrs. Murff. You have provided a mountain of clearly factual evidence and you don't sound whiny and bitter at all.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Robemcdo said:
The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .
Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.
That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.
Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.
Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.
Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.
What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.
He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.
now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.
But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.
You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.
So then fire him for his attitude with the Board. Fire him for his flirtation with Texas. Fire him for loose discipline of his players. Fire him for not attending fundraising events. Fire him for hiring relatives. Fire him for bad scheduling. But, don't fire him for any of those reasons and then tell the world (or let the world think) it was for something as heinous as the narrative the BOR has assigned to him. That is immoral and stupid to boot.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Robemcdo said:
The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .
Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.
That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.
Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.
Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.
Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.
What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.
He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.
now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.
But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.
You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.
"Did someone say morality?"
If the board fired briles for an attitude problem while simultaneously making Baylor one of the most hated schools in the country among football fans, they are dumber than any of us had feared.
I think and, for the board's sake, hope that there was more to it than an attitude problem.
I think and, for the board's sake, hope that there was more to it than an attitude problem.
I'd take him back if he gave all his "keep your __________ mouth shut" money back and funded a new organization in Waco to support rape victims, battered women, exploited women, bad dudes get better, a new DC, a new ST coach, buy out patsies on our non-con schedule and hire R. Lee Ermey as his new DISCIPLINE coach along with Ray Donovan to fix his bad dude messes.ScottS said:
bring back Briles!
Almost forgot, he has to hire Stuart Smalley to fix those bad attitude problems.
Forgot PETA. I'd take him back if he became a card carrying member of PETA too.
One other thing if we hire him back......he has to enroll his son into race sensitivity class. Many black, brown, yellow and red women were humiliated when Kendall only mentioned all of the white women Baylor has for football players.
Well, when you are 0-7, your old girlfriend looks pretty good.MilliVanilli said:
How boring that this is still being ranted and raved about by those wanting to excuse the past.
What a waste of bandwidth, go start a #CAB forum and be done wth it.
“If you have a job without aggravations, you don’t have a job.”
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Malbec said:So then fire him for his attitude with the Board. Fire him for his flirtation with Texas. Fire him for loose discipline of his players. Fire him for not attending fundraising events. Fire him for hiring relatives. Fire him for bad scheduling. But, don't fire him for any of those reasons and then tell the world (or let the world think) it was for something as heinous as the narrative the BOR has assigned to him. That is immoral and stupid to boot.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Robemcdo said:
The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .
Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.
That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.
Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.
Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.
Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.
What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.
He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.
now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.
But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.
You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.
Btw if we fired him for any of those reasons instead of working other disciplinary angles we are huge dumbasses with no sense of cost benefit or proportionality.
So you think the BOR fired him out of spite and ego? God I hope you are wrong.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Robemcdo said:
The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .
Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.
That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.
Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.
Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.
Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.
What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.
He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.
now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.
But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.
You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.
ColomboLQ said:So you think the BOR fired him out of spite and ego? God I hope you are wrong.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Robemcdo said:
The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .
Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.
That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.
Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.
Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.
Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.
What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.
He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.
now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.
But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.
You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.
Ha. I'm afraid he has his finger on the pulse.
He is.ColomboLQ said:So you think the BOR fired him out of spite and ego? God I hope you are wrong.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Robemcdo said:
The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .
Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.
That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.
Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.
Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.
Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.
What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.
He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.
now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.
But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.
You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.
Seems to me that a top 10 football program does alot of fundraising for alot of things. Do you think Rhule is able to raise as much kissing asses and smooth talking with winless record?
What, all 10 of them that go to Baylor? Can't blame Kendal for that one. Just playing the cards he was dealt.Thee University said:
One other thing if we hire him back......he has to enroll his son into race sensitivity class. Many black, brown, yellow and red women were humiliated when Kendall only mentioned all of the white women Baylor has for football players.
Zero evidenceMothra said:
Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?
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