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Its a shame that nobody recognized how much money was on the line.

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Outside the bubble, people think Art ran an exotic zoo park with dangerous lions and tigers.

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That's what our BOR told everyone.

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Art didn't do himself any favors with the bad dudes comment. I reckon there was lots of stupid on both sides. Its a shame that nobody recognized how much money was on the line. Tellme is right that it coulda been fixed a long time ago. Both sides coulda done or said something here and there to lay down a good foundation. Neither did.

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MilliVanilli said:

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Outside the bubble, people think Art ran an exotic zoo park with dangerous lions and tigers.

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That's what our BOR told everyone.

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Art didn't do himself any favors with the bad dudes comment. I reckon there was lots of stupid on both sides. Its a shame that nobody recognized how much money was on the line. Tellme is right that it coulda been fixed a long time ago. Both sides coulda done or said something here and there to lay down a good foundation. Neither did.

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Yeah, loss of some money was the greatest shame...

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From a legal standpoint. Absolutely ZERO evidence.

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I wouldn't step out on tree branch for anyone.

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I guess I dont know the idiotic strain of thought that pops off here, that a HC has to literally love the school. Every single coach out there including Rhule and every other HC and assistant currently at Baylor are at their school for the money. Do you folks think Mulk or Drew would still be here if we never offered them raises? Every coach in every sport is a mercenary. You folks are fools if you think Rhule isnt here because we were willing to pay more than Oregon and Temple. You are also fools if you actually think he would not put us into a bidding war with PSU or Ohio State as well for that matter should they have an opening and he has us back where we were under Briles.

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Chanceux said:

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FTR, I think it was all preventable, but you can't hire a lame duck AD and I doubt Briles took guidance and advice from anyone.

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Ok. I guess Mulkey callin him out for the money and flirting is fair. But she wasn't critical for the other stuff that I know. Nearest I can remember she had the opinion that was sorta a few people doing bad things. Reasonable and true enough for me.

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Chanceux said:

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Ok. I guess Mulkey callin him out for the money and flirting is fair. But she wasn't critical for the other stuff that I know. Nearest I can remember she had the opinion that was sorta a few people doing bad things. Reasonable and true enough for me.

I never thought Art was a Bear for life. Didn't really care either. Don't care if Rhule is. So long as they win and somebody makes a good hire once they go. The money those wins brought was big. Important too. Which is why I don't think you fire him for anything but covering up sexual assault. Plenty of fall guys to take the blame for other stuff. Canning Art because they had enough to can him aint a good enough play. Generic stuff like saying football culture. Culture can be corrected. Can't get the money back. And all of us know that the damages could be worse in a few years if the conferences start readjusting.

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Osodecentx said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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That event, and how it was handled was a wake up call that for reasons good and bad, right or wrong, Art had no loyalty to Baylor U.

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This isn't true

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Robert Wilson said:

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Outside the bubble, people think Art ran an exotic zoo park with dangerous lions and tigers.

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Ok. I guess Mulkey callin him out for the money and flirting is fair. But she wasn't critical for the other stuff that I know. Nearest I can remember she had the opinion that was sorta a few people doing bad things. Reasonable and true enough for me.

I never thought Art was a Bear for life. Didn't really care either. Don't care if Rhule is. So long as they win and somebody makes a good hire once they go. The money those wins brought was big. Important too. Which is why I don't think you fire him for anything but covering up sexual assault. Plenty of fall guys to take the blame for other stuff. Canning Art because they had enough to can him aint a good enough play. Generic stuff like saying football culture. Culture can be corrected. Can't get the money back. And all of us know that the damages could be worse in a few years if the conferences start readjusting.

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Problem is, it really only takes a one sensational lawsuit to rack of millions in legal fees and damages to offset the revenue of an 11-1 season and a CFP spot.

It's a risk you can afford to take. Granted, if you have a great compliance department, that's manageable stuff and we both agree that's not entirely a fb coach responsibility.

But get caught lying to your own university and you can forget sympathy from a jury if something goes down.

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Chanceux said:

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I don't know the numbers of this bullmess so far but it's a lot. This was a tough, tough lesson for those folks in charge. Everybody looking around at each other wondering how it got there. No excuse for that. A lil common sense would have gone a long way.

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Chanceux said:

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Outside the bubble, people think Art ran an exotic zoo park with dangerous lions and tigers.

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That's what our BOR told everyone.

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Art didn't do himself any favors with the bad dudes comment. I reckon there was lots of stupid on both sides. Its a shame that nobody recognized how much money was on the line. Tellme is right that it coulda been fixed a long time ago. Both sides coulda done or said something here and there to lay down a good foundation. Neither did.

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Yeah, loss of some money was the greatest shame...

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Ain't what I said. And don't try putting words in my mouth again. You understand that? That aint a joke. Don't you ever f'n do that again.

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merckywaters said:

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QUESTION: IF CAB, other coaching staff, athletic dept, and dozens of players all knew about, participated in, colluded to cover up rapes then wouldn't that mean that RG3 and our other player-friends and contributors to this page knew about it and did nothing? That would be criminal.

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I guess I dont know the idiotic strain of thought that pops off here, that a HC has to literally love the school. Every single coach out there including Rhule and every other HC and assistant currently at Baylor are at their school for the money. Do you folks think Mulk or Drew would still be here if we never offered them raises? Every coach in every sport is a mercenary. You folks are fools if you think Rhule isnt here because we were willing to pay more than Oregon and Temple. You are also fools if you actually think he would not put us into a bidding war with PSU or Ohio State as well for that matter should they have an opening and he has us back where we were under Briles.

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Keep believing your employer will play nice with you if you get caught interviewing at their competitor.

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MilliVanilli said:

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Outside the bubble, people think Art ran an exotic zoo park with dangerous lions and tigers.

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That's what our BOR told everyone.

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Art didn't do himself any favors with the bad dudes comment. I reckon there was lots of stupid on both sides. Its a shame that nobody recognized how much money was on the line. Tellme is right that it coulda been fixed a long time ago. Both sides coulda done or said something here and there to lay down a good foundation. Neither did.

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Yeah, loss of some money was the greatest shame...

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Ain't what I said. And don't try putting words in my mouth again. You understand that? That aint a joke. Don't you ever f'n do that again.

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It's in bold letters above, it's EXACTLY what you lamented, the loss of money.

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I guess I dont know the idiotic strain of thought that pops off here, that a HC has to literally love the school. Every single coach out there including Rhule and every other HC and assistant currently at Baylor are at their school for the money. Do you folks think Mulk or Drew would still be here if we never offered them raises? Every coach in every sport is a mercenary. You folks are fools if you think Rhule isnt here because we were willing to pay more than Oregon and Temple. You are also fools if you actually think he would not put us into a bidding war with PSU or Ohio State as well for that matter should they have an opening and he has us back where we were under Briles.

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Keep believing your employer will play nice with you if you get caught interviewing at their competitor.

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Sometimes when they fund out you get a raise

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Osodecentx said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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That event, and how it was handled was a wake up call that for reasons good and bad, right or wrong, Art had no loyalty to Baylor U.

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This isn't true

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I guess I dont know the idiotic strain of thought that pops off here, that a HC has to literally love the school. Every single coach out there including Rhule and every other HC and assistant currently at Baylor are at their school for the money. Do you folks think Mulk or Drew would still be here if we never offered them raises? Every coach in every sport is a mercenary. You folks are fools if you think Rhule isnt here because we were willing to pay more than Oregon and Temple. You are also fools if you actually think he would not put us into a bidding war with PSU or Ohio State as well for that matter should they have an opening and he has us back where we were under Briles.

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Keep believing your employer will play nice with you if you get caught interviewing at their competitor.

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Compounding said:

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Osodecentx said:

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That event, and how it was handled was a wake up call that for reasons good and bad, right or wrong, Art had no loyalty to Baylor U.

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This isn't true

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And either way it was never that big of a deal. Success while on the job was. Anybody worried about a fb coach being interested in other jobs is being babyish and idealistic

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PartyBear said:

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I guess I dont know the idiotic strain of thought that pops off here, that a HC has to literally love the school. Every single coach out there including Rhule and every other HC and assistant currently at Baylor are at their school for the money. Do you folks think Mulk or Drew would still be here if we never offered them raises? Every coach in every sport is a mercenary. You folks are fools if you think Rhule isnt here because we were willing to pay more than Oregon and Temple. You are also fools if you actually think he would not put us into a bidding war with PSU or Ohio State as well for that matter should they have an opening and he has us back where we were under Briles.

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Keep believing your employer will play nice with you if you get caught interviewing at their competitor.

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Keep believing it isn't common at the major level of college sports.

Ask Rhule if he loves us so much he would agree to a new contract for less.

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I guess I dont know the idiotic strain of thought that pops off here, that a HC has to literally love the school. Every single coach out there including Rhule and every other HC and assistant currently at Baylor are at their school for the money. Do you folks think Mulk or Drew would still be here if we never offered them raises? Every coach in every sport is a mercenary. You folks are fools if you think Rhule isnt here because we were willing to pay more than Oregon and Temple. You are also fools if you actually think he would not put us into a bidding war with PSU or Ohio State as well for that matter should they have an opening and he has us back where we were under Briles.

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Keep believing your employer will play nice with you if you get caught interviewing at their competitor.

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Keep believing it isn't common at the major level of college sports.

Ask Rhule if he loves us so much he would agree to a new contract for less.

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You're still missing the point. If you're about to be on your wedding night, it looks bad to get caught warming up another chick as a backup option.

It's timing man.

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If letting Briles go had anything to do with loyalty then our BOR is full of egotistical maniacs and they need to step down immediately.

But my guess is it had nothing to do with that and you are full of it.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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I don't know the numbers of this bullmess so far but it's a lot. This was a tough, tough lesson for those folks in charge. Everybody looking around at each other wondering how it got there. No excuse for that. A lil common sense would have gone a long way.

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The cost of re-work as we like to say in the manufacturing business is 10x higher than the cost of fixing it the first time. the real crime here is we have regents who have ZERO clue as to what a world class university should look like and how it should operate.

It's not like this school hasn't seen an athletic scandal before.....all someone had to do was to get involved when the program first started to take off and monitor how players were managed and disciplined.

Real simple.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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If letting Briles go had anything to do with loyalty then our BOR is full of egotistical maniacs and they need to step down immediately.

But my guess is it had nothing to do with that and you are full of it.

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If you had the balls to believe what you just wrote there, and clearly you don't, you wouldn't have used the word, "GUESS."


Here, watch how I do it. "I''m pretty f'ing sure that a big reason they parted ways was broken trust."

See how that works? That you're tiptoeing there tells me all I need to know about how confident you are.

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Bearicade said:

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I think chanceux mad...

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Malbec said:

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Bearicade said:

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I think chanceux mad...

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...and justified to be.

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VN 68 said:

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It was a conflict of personality's.

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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MidWestBear2010 said:

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If letting Briles go had anything to do with loyalty then our BOR is full of egotistical maniacs and they need to step down immediately.

But my guess is it had nothing to do with that and you are full of it.

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If you had the balls to believe what you just wrote there, and clearly you don't, you wouldn't have used the word, "GUESS."


Here, watch how I do it. "I''m pretty f'ing sure that a big reason they parted ways was broken trust."

See how that works? That you're tiptoeing there tells me all I need to know about how confident you are.

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Oh so you know exactly why Briles was fired? That would make you the only person on this site with that information and means that you are either on the board or closely associated with it.

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