Mothra said:

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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This has been discussed ad nauseum, ad infinitum, ad absurdum, so I hope this thread gets locked too.

For the millionth time, he wasn't fired for covering up rapes. He was fired for not following university and Title IX procedures. If you guys would actually take the time to read the PH report, you would understand this. You can't seem to separate media charges from what the BOR fired him for.

Briles needed to be gone, pure and simple. The whole world agrees except for a handful of delusional people who post here.

One of his problems is that his defenses for his actions have been completely unbelievable and tone deaf. Every time he's spoken to the media, things have gotten worse for him. Plus, he hasn't fared well in court. If he had any defense at all, he would be coaching somewhere right now. You can't put that on the BOR. He owns that.

Time to move on and quit beating a dead horse.

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What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.

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http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/-Art-Briles-Winning-Drive-raises-record-amount-for-local-Boys--Girls-Club-375327881.html

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Ok, let me walk you through this, since it didn't sink in the first 50 times it was brought up.

There was an employee.

PH asked to interview this employee.

The employee provided answers to the questions and PH turned around and compared the answers to corroborative information provided in email, text and their records.

Chaos ensued.

I'm not sure that you need a criminal court case to fire an employee.

But in general in most corporations if you got caught lying to your legal counsel you get summarily fired.

I'm just giving you the trail to start sniffing from, not saying that was the whole reason. But you'd be a fool to think ANY company let's an employee get away with that.

It's difficult for a lot of the BaylOr faithful to understand because they are understandably blinded by loyalty and love, but Art was ready to move on.


I say later dude.

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Art was ready to move on?!?! Is that why he was interviewing for football jobs in Canada with the Hamilton Sabrecats? The idiots on the BOR should have given him, Ian, and Ken Starr a warning to clean things up.... but they are idiots afterall. So they ****ed everything up like idiots tend to do. I'm actually starting to enjoy this 0-7 season bcs this is exactly what we deserve for not firing our BOI

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Mothra said:

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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This has been discussed ad nauseum, ad infinitum, ad absurdum, so I hope this thread gets locked too.

For the millionth time, he wasn't fired for covering up rapes. He was fired for not following university and Title IX procedures. If you guys would actually take the time to read the PH report, you would understand this. You can't seem to separate media charges from what the BOR fired him for.

Briles needed to be gone, pure and simple. The whole world agrees except for a handful of delusional people who post here.

Time to move on and quit beating a dead horse.

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When a guy gets you a Heisman and two Big 12 Championships, you dont fire him without giving him a chance to reform things. Did the BOI ever give him a chance to change things?

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Mothra said:

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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Briles needed to be gone, pure and simple. The whole world agrees except for a handful of delusional people who post here.

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You are wrong

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The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .

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Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.

That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.

Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.

Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.

Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.

What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.

He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.

now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.

But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.

You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.

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So then fire him for his attitude with the Board. Fire him for his flirtation with Texas. Fire him for loose discipline of his players. Fire him for not attending fundraising events. Fire him for hiring relatives. Fire him for bad scheduling. But, don't fire him for any of those reasons and then tell the world (or let the world think) it was for something as heinous as the narrative the BOR has assigned to him. That is immoral and stupid to boot.

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Btw if we fired him for any of those reasons instead of working other disciplinary angles we are huge dumbasses with no sense of cost benefit or proportionality.

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I don't agree with MakeItRain, I mean TellMeYouLoveMe's theory about the reasons for Briles' firing, but the second part of your statement is 100% correct nonetheless. And he's definitely right about one thing - it was a decision guided largely by pride and arrogance. And we all know what pride goes before. We're living it now.

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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None. Absolutely no evidence at all because it's NOT true. It is a LIE

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... Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out ...

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URL please.

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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... Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out ...

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URL please.

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https://sicem365.com/forums/2/topics/18356/replies/437897#437897

I have a feeling he meant the actual news story with her quote not the post on this website that made the claim.

PartyBear said:

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I have a feeling he meant the actual news story with her quote not the post on this website that made the claim.

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Irony is that the IRL posted is to this thread...

George Truett said:

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Mothra said:

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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This has been discussed ad nauseum, ad infinitum, ad absurdum, so I hope this thread gets locked too.

For the millionth time, he wasn't fired for covering up rapes. He was fired for not following university and Title IX procedures. If you guys would actually take the time to read the PH report, you would understand this. You can't seem to separate media charges from what the BOR fired him for.

Briles needed to be gone, pure and simple. The whole world agrees except for a handful of delusional people who post here.

One of his problems is that his defenses for his actions have been completely unbelievable and tone deaf. Every time he's spoken to the media, things have gotten worse for him. Plus, he hasn't fared well in court. If he had any defense at all, he would be coaching somewhere right now. You can't put that on the BOR. He owns that.

Time to move on and quit beating a dead horse.

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I surely don't think ya fire somebody who brings in the big bucks for the things you say he was fired for. That money was too beaucoup. Aint but one reason you fire him and thats for something muy egregioso. Or so thats what errbody in the world thinks.

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Baylor would not have sent that letter to Briles back in August if any of this was even possibly true. So just think about this.

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Spin this out. Baylor gives Briles that letter knowing he's going to use it to try and get a job. Hamilton Ti-Cats hire Briles. Let's say they don't wuss out later. Then Dunnam uncovers Briles with live boys and dead girls. Baylor looks worse than ever in the media, and gets sued by Hamilton (who Baylor knew would be relying on this letter).

So I agree with you. If they'd found dead bodies they don't write that carefully worded letter.

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Robert,

I am glad you circled back for Milli. This will allow us to drill down and get the ball rolling. Remember, there is no "i" in team. We don't need to re-invent the wheel. We just need to go after the low hanging fruit. We can't keep moving the goalposts.

Mgt.

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There is also a M and an E for me.
Maybe Briles should hire his own investigators to uncover the truth. What is he hiding? He must be innocent?

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .

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Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.

That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.

Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.

Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.

Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.

What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.

He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.

now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.

But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.

You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.

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Unfortunately, this thread has turned into another pro Briles versus anti-Briles thread. Moderators, feel free to shut it down.

One comment in closing: anyone who thinks files was fired because of his flirting with UT or Kim Mulkey calling him out doesn't have their head on straight.

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I''m no attorney, but I know this: Texas employment law specifically outlines the expectation of loyalty. You owe to your employer, the duty of loyalty. Fail that test and they can fire you.

Now, that being said, I don't think the law is as relevant as many of you think. No one put Briles on trial, i don't think the legal merits really mattered. But I point that out, because even the lawyers here should admit this.

All I've suggested is that if you walk into your bosses off with a chip on your shoulder after causing millions in damage to your employer and you act like you don't want to play along, you're probably gonna get canned.

That shouldn't be a revelation, but apparently in these parts, it is.

Dungeon Athletics said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Malbec said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Robemcdo said:

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The answer is as obvious as you can get . 0/7. Art is telling the truth .

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Your desperate to hold on to the notion that Art was somehow wronged and you're trying really hard to frame this in a manner that suggests legally innocent means he deserves to be employed.

That's just not how organizations of humans work. It's also the exact same reason no one wants to hire Briles, Bobby Knight and a long list of other coaches that think they are bigger than their organizations.

Organizations of all kinds have little tolerance for people that can't be loyal. And yes, that's also the reason why people that sometimes suck at their jobs never get the axe. The more you take from the company, the louder you'd better sing the company song.

Art basically fired himself when two things happened. 1) he was caught halfway down the wedding aisle with UT. 2) he was called out by Kim Mulkey.

Kim Mulkey used the media to call Art out and what did Art do? Nothing. That signaled to the rest of the university that he didn't care. After the Fiesta bowl, Art needed a donor to bring him back to the fold and he negotiated a pay raise of 50% more than his peers. Meanwhile, his competitor Gary Patterson up the road is winning at about the same rate, AND hs using his influence to raise money for TCU, the TCU football program, the TCU music program and about five other departments in that affluenza college.

What does Briles do to help Baylor outside of football? was he at any fundraising events? Is he calling anyone? Donating time to a charity? Nothing that anyone is aware of.

He's hiring his son in law, his old coaching buddy's son, promoting his son to offensive coordinator. And those guys in turn go hide in their holes half the year like their faithful leader.

now that's not the end of the world if you're winning lots of games and making the school look good.

But when you suddenly put the university in a bad light, all that taking you've done up to this point has now come full circle.

You can make all the legal case you want out if it, and I'm sure that means something to the apparent army of attorneys on this site.But know that Art was probably (meaning in my opinion) fired because the attitude he conveyed to the board was that it was his way or nothing.

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So then fire him for his attitude with the Board. Fire him for his flirtation with Texas. Fire him for loose discipline of his players. Fire him for not attending fundraising events. Fire him for hiring relatives. Fire him for bad scheduling. But, don't fire him for any of those reasons and then tell the world (or let the world think) it was for something as heinous as the narrative the BOR has assigned to him. That is immoral and stupid to boot.

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Btw if we fired him for any of those reasons instead of working other disciplinary angles we are huge dumbasses with no sense of cost benefit or proportionality.

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I don't agree with MakeItRain, I mean TellMeYouLoveMe's theory about the reasons for Briles' firing, but the second part of your statement is 100% correct nonetheless. And he's definitely right about one thing - it was a decision guided largely by pride and arrogance. And we all know what pride goes before. We're living it now.

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Say hi to John Hawk for us, I mean Bobo, I mean...oh whatever the fat kid's name is at that law firm..

I can see why they were upset, law firms lose out when they don't have a referral source working in the athletic circles to give them cases. I''ll bet Shillinglaw had those guys on speed dial!

And btw, I find it interesting that rather than litigating Art's case in front of people that have actual decision authority, like say a judge, or an arbitration board, there are people here trying to litigate his case to the people on the Sic'Em 365 message board. I mean hell, we're all important people, but I can't help the guy find a coaching job. I'll just wait here until Briles writes a book saying how much he loved Baylor. Not gonna hold my breath.
The guy had the scruples of a gas station lizard.


Art was a great football coach. But damn was he bad at picking lawyers.

good lord... give this up and move on already. Whats done is done. Either look to the future with Rhule and the Baylor Bears or go home. We dont need to be dwelling on the past or woulda/coulda/shoulda situations. It does no one any good

Keyser Soze said:

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Mothra said:

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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There will never be evidence as most would call it. That is the work product of Pepper Hamilton that no one is privy to. I am sure a few plaintiff's attorneys will discover some, but it is said there is 27 gigabits worth of data and over one million documents so good luck.

The better question is have we been told the full story.

I believe the answer to that is yes. We were told in broad brush strokes in the findings of fact. below

Barriers to Implementation of Title IX within Baylor's Football Program

"Baylor failed to maintain effective oversight and supervision of the Athletics Department as it related to the effective implementation of Title IX. Leadership challenges and communications issues hindered enforcement of rules and policies, and created a cultural perception that football was above the rules. In addition to the issues related to student misconduct, the University and Athletics Department failed to take effective action in response to allegations involving misconduct by football staff. Further, despite the fact that other departments repeatedly raised concerns that the Athletics Department's response to student or employee misconduct was inadequate, Baylor administrators took insufficient steps to address the concerns.

Baylor failed to take appropriate action to respond to reports of sexual assault and dating violence reportedly committed by football players. The choices made by football staff and athletics leadership, in some instances, posed a risk to campus safety and the integrity of the University. In certain instances, including reports of a sexual assault by multiple football players, athletics and football personnel affirmatively chose not to report sexual violence and dating violence to an appropriate administrator outside of athletics. In those instances, football coaches or staff met directly with a complainant and/or a parent of a complainant and did not report the misconduct. As a result, no action was taken to support complainants, fairly and impartially evaluate the conduct under Title IX, address identified cultural concerns within the football program, or protect campus safety once aware of a potential pattern of sexual violence by multiple football players.

In addition, some football coaches and staff took improper steps in response to disclosures of sexual assault or dating violence that precluded the University from fulfilling its legal obligations. Football staff conducted their own untrained internal inquiries, outside of policy, which improperly discredited complainants and denied them the right to a fair, impartial and informed investigation, interim measures or processes promised under University policy. In some cases, internal steps gave the illusion of responsiveness to complainants but failed to provide a meaningful institutional response under Title IX. Further, because reports were not shared outside of athletics, the University missed critical opportunities to impose appropriate disciplinary action that would have removed offenders from campus and possibly precluded future acts of sexual violence against Baylor students. In some instances, the football program dismissed players for unspecified team violations and assisted them in transferring to other schools. As a result, some football coaches and staff abdicated responsibilities under Title IX and Clery; to student welfare; to the health and safety of complainants; and to Baylor's institutional values

In addition to the failures related to sexual assault and dating violence, individuals within the football program actively sought to maintain internal control over discipline for other forms of misconduct. Athletics personnel failed to recognize the conflict of interest in roles and risk to campus safety by insulating athletes from student conduct processes. Football coaches and staff took affirmative steps to maintain internal control over discipline of players and to actively divert cases from the student conduct or criminal processes. In some cases, football coaches and staff had inappropriate involvement in disciplinary and criminal matters or engaged in improper conduct that reinforced an overall perception that football was above the rules, and that there was no culture of accountability for misconduct.

The football program also operates an internal system of discipline, separate from University processes, which is fundamentally inconsistent with the mindset required for effective Title IX implementation, and has resulted in a lack of parity vis--vis the broader student population. This informal system of discipline involves multiple coaches and administrators, relies heavily upon individual judgment in lieu of clear standards for discipline, and has resulted in conduct being ignored or players being dismissed from the team based on an informal and subjective process. The ad hoc internal system of discipline lacks protocols for consistency with University policy and is wholly undocumented. The football program's separate system of internal discipline reinforces the perception that rules applicable to other students are not applicable to football players, improperly insulates football players from appropriate disciplinary consequences, and puts students, the program, and the institution at risk of future misconduct. It is also inconsistent with institutional reporting obligations.

The football program failed to identify and maintain controls over known risks, and unreasonably accepted known risks. Leadership in football and the athletics department did not set the tone, establish a policy or practice for reporting and documenting significant misconduct. The lack of reporting expectations resulted in a lack of accountability for player misconduct and employee misconduct. Further, no attempt was made to understand the root causes of behavior or steps necessary to prevent its recurrence. In addition, in one instance, in response to concerns about misconduct by football players that could contribute to a hostile environment, an academic program that required interaction with the football program improperly restricted educational opportunities for students, rather than take steps to eliminate a potential hostile environment"



This broad brush stroke summary did not satisfy many which gave rise to the conspiracy crowd which actually included some big money donors who would go on form BLR. After hiring Bunting (PR Firm) Regents Murff, Harper, and Gary released details to the WSJ including the infamous 19/17/4 -

Asst AD Shillinglaw and Briles both sued regents Murph, Harper, and Gray.

Briles dropped his suit first but the regents made a reply in the Shillinglaw case. This response is essentially the detail behind the findings of fact. You can read it here

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/wacotrib.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/ac/bacc361a-e9b5-11e6-ad87-5fd2d6e674d8/5893e6dfbdcf3.pdf.pdf

It tells us

Why they spoke to the WSJ
Text messages of Briles deliberately keep things away from Judicial Affairs
Knowledge of the need to report to JA.
Story of Oakman terrorizing a femal student
Academic improprieties regarding Tevin Elliott
Briles own admissions
Why Briles was not suited to clean up and go forward


Now I know what Shillinglaw is. If you want to be Mr Attorney, no question it is not proof at all. Now if you are a reasonable person and just want to know what happened, it is right there for you.

I can not get you to believe they can back up what is in the Shillinglaw response , but by actions a reasonable person would think Briles and Shillinglaw think they can as they tucked tail and ran. We can also note the big money donors went silent after this was released.

Again, I agree, it is not proof - but yes, I believe it to be the story and I challenge the conspiracy crowd to refute it's content. If you want to cling to conspiracy, there is no proof, you are free to engage in wild speculation because nothing was proven to you.


Shillinglaw does not mention any specific assistant coaches. I have never read anywhere of rape cover up, only failure to report allegations to Judicial Affairs.

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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At this point what does it matter? THE PAST IS LAST. Move on, support the new regime or just move on from Baylor altogether.

Now i'll go back to the premium board and let this thread continue to be a pile of ****

"The Board also recommended that Baylor's administration look further at Shillinglaw's continued employment. This was based on evidence showing that Shillinglaw did not fully cooperate with the Pepper Hamilton investigation. Shillinglaw told the law firm that he did not remember meeting Oakman's alleged victim and had no recollection of receiving a copy of the police report from her. However, he had her contact information in his phone, and there were emails from Shillinglaw indicating he had received the report and had asked an assistant coach to speak to Oakman's relatives about the incident. At this time, Shillinglaw has been suspended with intent to terminate"


Really, who is this stupid?

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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"The Board also recommended that Baylor's administration look further at Shillinglaw's continued employment. This was based on evidence showing that Shillinglaw did not fully cooperate with the Pepper Hamilton investigation. Shillinglaw told the law firm that he did not remember meeting Oakman's alleged victim and had no recollection of receiving a copy of the police report from her. However, he had her contact information in his phone, and there were emails from Shillinglaw indicating he had received the report and had asked an assistant coach to speak to Oakman's relatives about the incident. At this time, Shillinglaw has been suspended with intent to terminate"


Really, who is this stupid?

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A guy that thought he was still at Stephenville.

Don't remember Mulkey callin out Briles though. Don't remember Briles being callous after the fallout either. Proof to both?

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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"The Board also recommended that Baylor's administration look further at Shillinglaw's continued employment. This was based on evidence showing that Shillinglaw did not fully cooperate with the Pepper Hamilton investigation. Shillinglaw told the law firm that he did not remember meeting Oakman's alleged victim and had no recollection of receiving a copy of the police report from her. However, he had her contact information in his phone, and there were emails from Shillinglaw indicating he had received the report and had asked an assistant coach to speak to Oakman's relatives about the incident. At this time, Shillinglaw has been suspended with intent to terminate"


Really, who is this stupid?

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A guy that thought he was still at Stephenville.

Don't remember Mulkey callin out Briles though. Don't remember Briles being callous after the fallout either. Proof to both?

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Your dead right ab the Stephenville part. And no disrespect to them.

articles behind a paywall, but basically her quote was "Some people are more loyal than that." And it followed on the story about him receiving a raise. It ran after everyone returned from the Fiesta Bowl. That event, and how it was handled was a wake up call that for reasons good and bad, right or wrong, Art had no loyalty to Baylor U. anyone that isn't cognizant of that FACT is in denial. KM didn't name him specifically, but it was clear that she challenged his loyalty.(IMO).

someone was kind enough to outline to Art all that was given to him for this position. The new stadium, the practice facility, leeway to hire his in laws, cousins, sons, whatever. what more did he want?

FTR, I think it was all preventable, but you can't hire a lame duck AD and I doubt Briles took guidance and advice from anyone.

I wasn't hugely surprised at how Briles managed things, that's how it worked at UH.

But it was interesting that Ian had someone report an alleged crime to him and he completely dismissed it.

That's the head of the Baylor athletics compliance organization, baby.

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That event, and how it was handled was a wake up call that for reasons good and bad, right or wrong, Art had no loyalty to Baylor U.

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This isn't true

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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"The Board also recommended that Baylor's administration look further at Shillinglaw's continued employment. This was based on evidence showing that Shillinglaw did not fully cooperate with the Pepper Hamilton investigation. Shillinglaw told the law firm that he did not remember meeting Oakman's alleged victim and had no recollection of receiving a copy of the police report from her. However, he had her contact information in his phone, and there were emails from Shillinglaw indicating he had received the report and had asked an assistant coach to speak to Oakman's relatives about the incident. At this time, Shillinglaw has been suspended with intent to terminate"


Really, who is this stupid?

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A guy that thought he was still at Stephenville.

Don't remember Mulkey callin out Briles though. Don't remember Briles being callous after the fallout either. Proof to both?

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Your dead right ab the Stephenville part. And no disrespect to them.

articles behind a paywall, but basically her quote was "Some people are more loyal than that." And it followed on the story about him receiving a raise. It ran after everyone returned from the Fiesta Bowl. That event, and how it was handled was a wake up call that for reasons good and bad, right or wrong, Art had no loyalty to Baylor U. anyone that isn't cognizant of that FACT is in denial.

someone was kind enough to outline to Art all that was given to him for this position. The new stadium, the practice facility, leeway to hire his in laws, cousins, sons, whatever. what more did he want?

FTR, I think it was all preventable, but you can't hire a lame duck AD and I doubt Briles took guidance and advice from anyone.

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Ok. I guess Mulkey callin him out for the money and flirting is fair. But she wasn't critical for the other stuff that I know. Nearest I can remember she had the opinion that was sorta a few people doing bad things. Reasonable and true enough for me.

I never thought Art was a Bear for life. Didn't really care either. Don't care if Rhule is. So long as they win and somebody makes a good hire once they go. The money those wins brought was big. Important too. Which is why I don't think you fire him for anything but covering up sexual assault. Plenty of fall guys to take the blame for other stuff. Canning Art because they had enough to can him aint a good enough play. Generic stuff like saying football culture. Culture can be corrected. Can't get the money back. And all of us know that the damages could be worse in a few years if the conferences start readjusting.

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One other thing if we hire him back......he has to enroll his son into race sensitivity class. Many black, brown, yellow and red women were humiliated when Kendall only mentioned all of the white women Baylor has for football players.

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What, all 10 of them that go to Baylor? Can't blame Kendal for that one. Just playing the cards he was dealt.

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I know it was a joke, but t's a frequent misconception that Baylor has a diversity problem. Baylor's student body is actually more diverse than the national average. Also, there are a couple thousand more female students than male students.

A couple of recent stats:

Baylor's student body all 17,059 students is more diverse than ever, with minority enrollment up to 35.3%.


Diversity among freshmen is at its highest level ever, with minority enrollment among first-year students at 37.8 percent.

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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This has been discussed ad nauseum, ad infinitum, ad absurdum, so I hope this thread gets locked too.

For the millionth time, he wasn't fired for covering up rapes. He was fired for not following university and Title IX procedures. If you guys would actually take the time to read the PH report, you would understand this. You can't seem to separate media charges from what the BOR fired him for.

Briles needed to be gone, pure and simple. The whole world agrees except for a handful of delusional people who post here.

One of his problems is that his defenses for his actions have been completely unbelievable and tone deaf. Every time he's spoken to the media, things have gotten worse for him. Plus, he hasn't fared well in court. If he had any defense at all, he would be coaching somewhere right now. You can't put that on the BOR. He owns that.

Time to move on and quit beating a dead horse.

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We can always count on you to not read a thread correctly, and then knee jerk.

As I said in the initial post, if you had bothered to actually read it, a poster on another thread named BeerThief said there was evidence of Briles' staff covering up rapes detailed in the PH report delivered to the regents, and he named 5 coaches who had done so. This thread was an attempt to find out what evidence he was talking about, since the other thread discussing same had been locked.

Do everyone a favor, and try reading next time before you pee on someone else's thread.

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Moderators locked the previous thread that was discussing this topic, suggesting it had been discussed a thousand times (though I must have missed those threads). I am not interested in another debate among the pro-CAB and anti-CAB crowd on whether he should have been fired. As a lawyer, I am truly curious, however, what evidence there is the CAB staff covered up rapes, as BeerThief suggested. Another poster suggested BeerThief is privy to info. Care to share it?

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At this point what does it matter? THE PAST IS LAST. Move on, support the new regime or just move on from Baylor altogether.

Now i'll go back to the premium board and let this thread continue to be a pile of ****

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Please do move along. Go back to fantasy land.

Plus, staff said in the other thread to start a new one to continue the discussion.

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Plus, staff said in the other thread to start a new one to continue the discussion.

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Yup. It's a message board where people discuss all kinds of topics. the poster in question accused the coaches of being complicit in a crime. Seemed newsworthy and interesting to me.

Seriously, what else is there to discuss about Rhule and our 0-7 team?

Art took the money and ran.
Shill couldn't keep his lies straight.


In do respect to Art's lawyers, no one thinks any normal human can control him.

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Art took the money and ran.
Shill couldn't keep his lies straight.


In do respect to Art's lawyers, no one thinks any normal human can control him.

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None of this is true

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Art took the money and ran.
Shill couldn't keep his lies straight.


In do respect to Art's lawyers, no one thinks any normal human can control him.

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None of this is true

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Well, he managed to show back up at Rice. One of the dumbest moves I 've seen (for a hated robe touching target like myself, that speaks volumes). He didn't contest his firing. He just hired a pr firm who tried to dump on the school.
He lost and now has one big thing in common with Jerry Sandusky. You want me to tell you the Big thing Art and Jerry have in common? There is confusion among you guys.

Shill needed to get his story straight or figure out what lies to tell not to get busted.

Outside the bubble, people think Art ran an exotic zoo park with dangerous lions and tigers. He wouldn't listen to the animal control. It is Art's fault the players or assistants have no payouts or reputation. He took the cash.

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Outside the bubble, people think Art ran an exotic zoo park with dangerous lions and tigers.

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That's what our BOR told everyone.

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Outside the bubble, people think Art ran an exotic zoo park with dangerous lions and tigers.

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That's what our BOR told everyone.

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Art didn't do himself any favors with the bad dudes comment. I reckon there was lots of stupid on both sides. Its a shame that nobody recognized how much money was on the line. Tellme is right that it coulda been fixed a long time ago. Both sides coulda done or said something here and there to lay down a good foundation. Neither did.

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He lost and now has one big thing in common with Jerry Sandusky.

Outside the bubble, people think Art ran an exotic zoo park with dangerous lions and tigers. It is Art's fault the players or assistants have no payouts or reputation.

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None of this is true