BarleyMcDougal said:
TheDom said:
BarleyMcDougal said:
TheDom said:
BarleyMcDougal said:
TheDom said:
And how do you define National Brand?
There are different ways, but start with tv market, living alumni, national championships, etc.
Here's a good starting point: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17336754/alabama-crimson-tide-notre-dame-fighting-irish-ohio-state-buckeyes-oklahoma-sooners-usc-trojans-lead-list-college-football-blue-bloods
Awesome. Something to work with. We will use this list as reference point. My thoughts are this...
1. You say there are 40 National Brands. Baylor is T-59 on that list and TCU 31. So you don't believe Baylor can assend to TCU level? And by your definition TCU is a National Brand. I would not call TCU a national brand.
2. IMO there are not 40 National Brands. There are 10-12 with 3-5 on the verge. People outside Arkansas don't wear Arkansas gear or spend money to be associated with Razorbacks. Same for Michigan State or A&M.
3. Using your term, Regional Brand, would define the rest of the P5 schools. Some slightly larger based on alumni size and state affiliation but basically similiar boat. These schools fight for national draw, attention, and notoriety by several things namely their athletic performance. More notoriety means moving up the food chain. Longevity matters a lot in this category.
4. I think it is reasonable for Baylor to move into the 30-35 range on that list. Not easy but possible. Therefore, unless you are one to believe realignment is going to only 16 or 24 teams, Baylor has a great opportunity to get to be a desirable member that makes a P5 conference.
You really want to argue this without having truly read what I posted.
I wouldn't call TCU a national brand, nor would they be by my definition. They don't have a large tv market and they don't have many living alumni. Arkansas is a good example of a tweener that leans toward national brand because they control their entire state as far as broadcasting. They have no competition. A&M has enough alumni that they are broadcasted in DFW, Austin, Houston and San Antonio. Huge markets. And now that they are in the SEC, they get bumped up.
I don't know what realignment holds, but if networks are looking to cut fat Baylor would be on the list along with TCU, K St., Iowa State, etc...
No, I have read what you posted. I don't understand bc the logic is all over the place. I'm trying to pin it down.
So basically you are saying the end all be all is living alumni and tv market. All other aspects about a school be damned. And so you say Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Kstate would be cut. I guess not Kansas bc of basketball?
So who else gets cut in other conferences?...
The point is you believe P5 conferences are going to about half the number of current P5 schools in realignment. That's fine, but it still just an opinion. My biggest argument is you portrayed your ideas as 100% fact and they are simply not.
Aside from the fact that WV is not a national brand and Baylor is not a lucky Memphis, the idea that realignment is going to 2 super conferences or only 36 teams is less likely today than it was in 2010. It is more likey they increase the playoff to 8 teams with all conference winners getting automatic slot, with best G5 team getting automatic slot, and 2 at large bids.
Lots has changed on that front since 2010. Teams like Nebraska & Colorado have fallen on face in new conferences. Even Missouri has been up and down. OU and UT have seen life in Big12 pretty good, particularly OU. Money for all the schools has been good all around. And maybe the biggest factor is broadcasting right and contracts are changing before our eyes. In 2010 ESPN was throwing money around like crazy on contracts like Longhorn Network. Well, we approaching 10 years in and the returns aren't what they thought. ESPN isn't get subscribers like they thought. So back in 2010 when the Big12 was the weakest conference it has changed with that definitely now being the PAC12. PAC12 network sucking pond water. Amazon & Facebook have entered the broadcasting space and we don't know if they will make bids in 2023 when new round of contracts come up for conferences.
You can say nonsense like I'm not smart enough or just interested in saying nice things about Baylor but neither are true. I am well aware of the reality and current landscape of college athletics and within that where Baylor fits in the fold. You are entitled to your opinion, yet I suggest your opinion be based on current and relevant information.
The logic is nowhere near scattered. It's quite sound, actually. I don't know for a fact that anybody gets cut come the next round of realignment, but I do have a full and lucid understanding of varying school's respective positions. I haven't even really delved into what the future holds for the college landscape, nor is it necessary. I'm telling you that Baylor isn't a national brand and almost certainly never will be. That's just a fact, and the sooner you realize that our place at the table is tenuous the better.
I'd love for Baylor program to be revered and well-known around the country. It's just never going to happen.
And I've laid out why Baylor is a lucky version of Memphis and you've yet to refute my point, which is that Baylor's been in a major conference for 30 years. Memphis never had that luxury of income. Do you think that Baylor would receive a P5 invite if they were in a G5 conference? Of course you don't.
I have refuted your point about Memphis several times, you simply don't care to listen and disagree.
In football, Baylor was in the SWC which it won several times. We have 9 conference titles in all. Memphis has an all time losing record in football. Baylor has won at several points in its history. On the academic side, Baylor is also far more advanced academically than Memphis. Much more nationally known and revered. Baylor is also much more politically connected than Memphis, particularly in Texas.
Baylor didn't just end up in Big12 when it formed by chance. The logic is faulty and hypothetical at best. It's like saying, well if the Patriots didn't draft Tom Brady they wouldn't have 5 Super Bowls. Yeah, but they did.
Had Baylor won a National Title in 1930 or whatever year we would be higher on the Blue Bloods list. Yeah but we didn't. If RG3 doesn't throw pass vs OU he doesn't win Heisman. Yeah but he did. We could play the "what if" game until the end of time.
And like my grandfather said, if you put it all in a bag and shook it out again, most of it would end up the same. Baylor made the cut in 1996 for many reasons.
And we were well known in football around the country for several years, in this decade. Never happen? It did happen. We just have to win again.