great leaders find ways to motivateTechDawgMc said:That's Biden level spin right there.thales said:
all i am seeing is her rallying the team
she's making part of the team a target (her) and the team is rallying behind that
they just stomped their 2nd round opponent
it's great coaching
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blackie said:I don't know one way or another or what the agenda might be. But if based on him being a SC alum........well Sharon Grigsby is a Baylor alum and look where that has helped us...cough, cough, cough.fredbear said:
He is a gamecock, nuff said. He already praised Dawn over Kim in previous article recently. Hack job take 2. Yellow journalism opinion piece with anonymous sources. Do tell. I have never trusted anonymous anything. If u cant own it, don't say it.
My wife and I followed the team to Tempe and to Indianapolis in 2005. We participated in a Bob Simpson tour package to follow the team to both places. This was before the Lady Bears were an item. There were not a lot of us fans in Tempe, as such we stayed in the team hotel, attended the Sunday morning devotional and generally had a lot of access to KM, Bill Brock and the players over the weekend. That Kim was a pleasure to be associated with. She was just then building a program and while she fought for her team there was none of the real negatives that people have complained about her in recent years.Kecky4BLB said:
I grew up in Alabama and am a life-long Crimson Tide fan. I didn't even like basketball until I watched the Women's College Basketball Tournament with my grandfather in 1983. It introduced me to 2 people who made me love the sport--Pat Summitt and a fiery little guard named Kim Mulkey. Some years later, I became a Baylor Lady Bears fan because of her. In 2019 I had the huge blessing of being able to go to the Final Four and see them win the National Championship, where I met up up with some Baylor fans and was invited to attend their pep rally the night before the final. I got to meet Coach Mulkey and the team in person, and I treasure that memory. Those ladies were not just champions as athletes. They demonstrated outstanding sportsmanship and character, both on and off the court, and whether winning or losing. I now believe that I gave their coach too much credit for that. Since she left Baylor and went to LSU, I have been so disappointed and lost so much respect for Kim Mulkey. From her clothes, to her comments, to her court side behavior, to her coaching influence, she has shown a huge lack of class, humility, and integrity. It is more and more clear to me that although I was right about her ability to produce winning teams, I was wrong about the person that she is and her impact on young ladies. What saddens me the most is the attitude and behavior of her players, which she clearly encourages. They are the epitome of poor sportsmanship and arrogance, of disrespect for opponents and officials, and of disregard for the rules of the game. I would love to see someone in the media have the courage to call her and her team out for the shadow they cast on their sport with their taunting, trash talk, and self-centered attitudes.
In addition, I just want to say that I still support the Lady Bears and am proud of them for the victory over Va. Tech yesterday. I think that they are very well coached and showed a great deal of heart and class. Baylor people should be proud of them and also increasingly relieved that Kim is gone.
I would agree 100% with your observation that the KM of the first 5-10 years was different than the KM for the last 5 or so years. My perception is that the change occurred sometime after the second national championship. One example is that you can go back and look at some of her public statements about Scott Drew in his first 7 years or so and it appears they had a much better relationship in those days.blackie said:My wife and I followed the team to Tempe and to Indianapolis in 2005. We participated in a Bob Simpson tour package to follow the team to both places. This was before the Lady Bears were an item. There were not a lot of us fans in Tempe, as such we stayed in the team hotel, attended the Sunday morning devotional and generally had a lot of access to KM, Bill Brock and the players over the weekend. That Kim was a pleasure to be associated with. She was just then building a program and while she fought for her team there was none of the real negatives that people have complained about her in recent years.Kecky4BLB said:
I grew up in Alabama and am a life-long Crimson Tide fan. I didn't even like basketball until I watched the Women's College Basketball Tournament with my grandfather in 1983. It introduced me to 2 people who made me love the sport--Pat Summitt and a fiery little guard named Kim Mulkey. Some years later, I became a Baylor Lady Bears fan because of her. In 2019 I had the huge blessing of being able to go to the Final Four and see them win the National Championship, where I met up up with some Baylor fans and was invited to attend their pep rally the night before the final. I got to meet Coach Mulkey and the team in person, and I treasure that memory. Those ladies were not just champions as athletes. They demonstrated outstanding sportsmanship and character, both on and off the court, and whether winning or losing. I now believe that I gave their coach too much credit for that. Since she left Baylor and went to LSU, I have been so disappointed and lost so much respect for Kim Mulkey. From her clothes, to her comments, to her court side behavior, to her coaching influence, she has shown a huge lack of class, humility, and integrity. It is more and more clear to me that although I was right about her ability to produce winning teams, I was wrong about the person that she is and her impact on young ladies. What saddens me the most is the attitude and behavior of her players, which she clearly encourages. They are the epitome of poor sportsmanship and arrogance, of disrespect for opponents and officials, and of disregard for the rules of the game. I would love to see someone in the media have the courage to call her and her team out for the shadow they cast on their sport with their taunting, trash talk, and self-centered attitudes.
In addition, I just want to say that I still support the Lady Bears and am proud of them for the victory over Va. Tech yesterday. I think that they are very well coached and showed a great deal of heart and class. Baylor people should be proud of them and also increasingly relieved that Kim is gone.
I have been scolded on the board by a few posters many times for my observation but it is my observation. I have the right to have it. But the KM of the first 5-10 years of her tenure at Baylor was not the same KM for the last 5 or so years. I'll just leave it at that. I knew one day she would no longer be the coach at Baylor, probably because of retirement and desire to spend even more time with family. I thought that time would be sooner rather than later. But I thought we would have ample notice so that a smooth transition could be had like at other schools where elite coaches retired (UT, Tennessee, ND, for example). However we were not afforded that type of separation. We are now three years past that. We have, IMO, weathered the storm and are once again on a fun ride as the program is being rebuilt. Given that we were going to have to have someone else on the sideline at some point, I am relieved that such a program changing event is now in our rear-view mirror.
blackie said:My wife and I followed the team to Tempe and to Indianapolis in 2005. We participated in a Bob Simpson tour package to follow the team to both places. This was before the Lady Bears were an item. There were not a lot of us fans in Tempe, as such we stayed in the team hotel, attended the Sunday morning devotional and generally had a lot of access to KM, Bill Brock and the players over the weekend. That Kim was a pleasure to be associated with. She was just then building a program and while she fought for her team there was none of the real negatives that people have complained about her in recent years.Kecky4BLB said:
I grew up in Alabama and am a life-long Crimson Tide fan. I didn't even like basketball until I watched the Women's College Basketball Tournament with my grandfather in 1983. It introduced me to 2 people who made me love the sport--Pat Summitt and a fiery little guard named Kim Mulkey. Some years later, I became a Baylor Lady Bears fan because of her. In 2019 I had the huge blessing of being able to go to the Final Four and see them win the National Championship, where I met up up with some Baylor fans and was invited to attend their pep rally the night before the final. I got to meet Coach Mulkey and the team in person, and I treasure that memory. Those ladies were not just champions as athletes. They demonstrated outstanding sportsmanship and character, both on and off the court, and whether winning or losing. I now believe that I gave their coach too much credit for that. Since she left Baylor and went to LSU, I have been so disappointed and lost so much respect for Kim Mulkey. From her clothes, to her comments, to her court side behavior, to her coaching influence, she has shown a huge lack of class, humility, and integrity. It is more and more clear to me that although I was right about her ability to produce winning teams, I was wrong about the person that she is and her impact on young ladies. What saddens me the most is the attitude and behavior of her players, which she clearly encourages. They are the epitome of poor sportsmanship and arrogance, of disrespect for opponents and officials, and of disregard for the rules of the game. I would love to see someone in the media have the courage to call her and her team out for the shadow they cast on their sport with their taunting, trash talk, and self-centered attitudes.
In addition, I just want to say that I still support the Lady Bears and am proud of them for the victory over Va. Tech yesterday. I think that they are very well coached and showed a great deal of heart and class. Baylor people should be proud of them and also increasingly relieved that Kim is gone.
I have been scolded on the board by a few posters many times for my observation but it is my observation. I have the right to have it. But the KM of the first 5-10 years of her tenure at Baylor was not the same KM for the last 5 or so years. I'll just leave it at that. I knew one day she would no longer be the coach at Baylor, probably because of retirement and desire to spend even more time with family. I thought that time would be sooner rather than later. But I thought we would have ample notice so that a smooth transition could be had like at other schools where elite coaches retired (UT, Tennessee, ND, for example). However we were not afforded that type of separation. We are now three years past that. We have, IMO, weathered the storm and are once again on a fun ride as the program is being rebuilt. Given that we were going to have to have someone else on the sideline at some point, I am relieved that such a program changing event is now in our rear-view mirror.
No. You are. Not nearly as much as we have Caitlin Clark and Dawn Staley worship fatigue. She isn't. Maybe.PartyBear said:
Is anyone else just tired of her? I saw the story on Saturday about her diatribe about the potential story before I came here to see if anyone else knew about this. I may be projecting here my own views on everyone else but I suspect the followers of women's college hoops have KM fatigue at this point. I'm not sure she realizes it but she is making Baylor's administration look better every day. Well....I should say CNC is by contrast is also doing that.
For a short answer, no you are not. It has swung too far that everything is about her. She didn't use to be like that, at least I didn't think so. Glad we had her. Glad we are past it. We were going to have to have a coaching change sooner or later. People retire, get sick, die, etc. We took the bullet sooner than even I expected, but we are well on the road to recovery and won't have to face the situation again, at least not in the severe manner with which it happened. We can now enjoy building back up and not be looking over our shoulder every year waiting for something that was inevitable to occur that we knew would happen at some point.PartyBear said:
Oh I am the only one tired of her? Twittersphere seems to agree there is alot of KM fatigue out there among the women's hoops crowd.
This Baylor historian says "well played sir, well played"Brian Ethridge said:blackie said:I don't know one way or another or what the agenda might be. But if based on him being a SC alum........well Sharon Grigsby is a Baylor alum and look where that has helped us...cough, cough, cough.fredbear said:
He is a gamecock, nuff said. He already praised Dawn over Kim in previous article recently. Hack job take 2. Yellow journalism opinion piece with anonymous sources. Do tell. I have never trusted anonymous anything. If u cant own it, don't say it.
Shooting the messenger is a longtime first defense or third - Braun
I swear some of you have not actually listened to or paid attention to what Kim actually said or why she did.TelevisionBear said:
Kim's toddler tantrum has taken a story no one knew was coming and turned it into THE special interest story of the Women's Tournament. She managed to replace Caitlin Clark as the off-the-court story. She has added at least a full week of talk and buzz about this story. When it comes out, sports analysts who might not have paid attention will be leading with their take on the story. There are times when it's best to ignore something and keep quiet, but that's never been Kim's style. Her "it's all about me" attitude has made this exponentially worse.
She readily admits Kent Babb has been asking for an interview for two years. When he finally is close to publishing the article and gives her a final two days to comment, somehow that's unfair to her! That certainly puts Kim's frequent "players must take personal responsibility" comments in a different light.
Those who dismiss Babb as merely an alum of South Carolina who is somehow just out to get Kim haven't looked into his background. The guy has won AP national awards three times. He authored the currently #8 ranked book on Amazon about basketball and the #25 book about football. He's been with the WaPo for about 18 years.
As for Kim's defamation lawsuit, well, you can file a suit against anyone. Winning is an entirely different matter.
When the article comes out, it will be the first sports article I will have ever read in the WaPo. I'm sure I won't be the only one which is why the WaPo is very, very happy about Kim's toddler tantrum.
Excellent post. Pretty much reflects my take on the situation and where we stand today.Alan Lefever said:
Kim's last 3 years our recruiting was easily the worst of any traditional power. We had nothing in the pipeline and were becoming heavily dependent upon transfers. Her last year here she didn't have the same energy. She was reinvigorated when she went to LSU (mostly by anger which has always been her best fuel). I don't think we would have one an NC last year if she stayed.
And what she did to people was a lot more than hurt feelings and we should expect more from our coaches and ourselves. And I say the as a strong supporter of WBB for over 20 years, attending 10 WBB FF and having courtside seats in the new pavilion. We've all known people where divorce worked out best for both parties. I believe that is the case here. KM is no longer my coach. I don't really care about LSU unless we play them….I'm all in on BU athletes and the coaches who lead them
franke said:
Recruiting was bad from 2018-21? That seems like a silly statement considering the freshman class in 2019 and the trophy we took home.
The problem is what did she have coming up? That record is based on how you recruited years prior to that. I think that was the poster's point. Her last year all we had lined up from HS was the girl from Arkansas who several on this board reported that she was having second thoughts while Kim was still the coach. Reliance was more and more on transfers. And for the 2021-2022 season is was pretty much all transfers coming in. And then of course when she left, they left without even waiting to see who would be the new coach. Our HS pipeline that had served us so well in years past was just not there as it had been in the past. Why the change in tactics?montypython said:You have gone full re ta rd.Alan Lefever said:
Kim's last 3 years our recruiting was easily the worst of any traditional power.
93-6.
That was our combined record her last 3 seasons.
blackie said:The problem is what did she have coming up? That record is based on how you recruited years prior to that. I think that was the poster's point. Her last year all we had lined up from HS was the girl from Arkansas who several on this board reported that she was having second thoughts while Kim was still the coach. Reliance was more and more on transfers. And for the 2021-2022 season is was pretty much all transfers coming in. And then of course when she left, they left without even waiting to see who would be the new coach. Our HS pipeline that had served us so well in years past was just not there as it had been in the past. Why the change in tactics?montypython said:You have gone full re ta rd.Alan Lefever said:
Kim's last 3 years our recruiting was easily the worst of any traditional power.
93-6.
That was our combined record her last 3 seasons.
I know that now you have to be successful in the portal because you have no guarantee that any player you currently have will be there for you the next year. It just seems however that we were not getting the high level recruits from HS that is the real life of your program and that we had always gotten our share of, although we missed on many big ones, I suppose because they just didn't want to come to Baylor, the school. I am hopeful that while we have to rely on the portal a lot right now to compensate for the depleted roster we were left with after 2021-2022 season, we can once again get back to seeing high-level recruits coming from HS that we can develop at Baylor. Bella and Buggs were a good start.
As usual, I believe you are posting your agenda and not posting facts. Kim's last year here she had 2 top 20 players in the country on her team as Freshman. Now, I believe that when you bring in two 5 star recruits you are doing damn good on your recruiting!
As I interpret Alan's post, he was talking about the 3 recruiting classes after the "Fab 5" that arrived on campus in fall 2018, i.e. after Smith, Queen, Bickle, et al.franke said:
Recruiting was bad from 2018-21? That seems like a silly statement considering the freshman class in 2019 and the trophy we took home.
We obviously are going to disagree on this, but it is hard to argue that we signed 4 players over a 3 year period 1 of which became a quality player. During that same 3 year period we didn't close on at least 9 top 50 players who had us as a finalist but chose to go elsewhere. We had not had that problem in the years prior. I know we had great teams in 20 and 21, but heading into 22 had KM stayed we had 6 players on the roster that had been recruited by KM the rest were transfer guards. We were going to have to pull a lot of rabbits out of a hat if the 22 team was going to be ANYWHERE near as good as the 21.franke said:
And those were all good recruits. Sure, number wise you went from Fab 5 to just Mariam in that 2021 class, so yeah numbers wise it was "down". My issue is people like yourself trying to somehow convince yourself that the program was somehow "down" to justify Mulkey walking and complain about her.
We won a natty in 19, should have repeated in 20, and were a should-be whistle away from a Final Four in 21. Shes gone, and she's doing great. Even if she had recruited a Fab 5 the last 3 years she was here, it wouldn't have changed the current trajectory of our program.
"Transfers supplement the great programs they don't build them." and at that point we were a great program, it was built. We didn't have to rely on the diamond in the rough HS kid to make the jump to Elite
Agree on every single point. But I think added focus should be on points 3 and 4. That is what I was seeing and have seen as well. No one is saying the program was down, per se. What is being said is that the program was not getting the fuel needed (high-level HS recruits) as it had in the past to keep it from going down the next few years after 2021.Alan Lefever said:We obviously are going to disagree on this, but it is hard to argue that we signed 4 players over a 3 year period 1 of which became a quality player. During that same 3 year period we didn't close on at least 9 top 50 players who had us as a finalist but chose to go elsewhere. We had not had that problem in the years prior. I know we had great teams in 20 and 21, but heading into 22 had KM stayed we had 6 players on the roster that had been recruited by KM the rest were transfer guards. We were going to have to pull a lot of rabbits out of a hat if the 22 team was going to be ANYWHERE near as good as the 21.franke said:
And those were all good recruits. Sure, number wise you went from Fab 5 to just Mariam in that 2021 class, so yeah numbers wise it was "down". My issue is people like yourself trying to somehow convince yourself that the program was somehow "down" to justify Mulkey walking and complain about her.
We won a natty in 19, should have repeated in 20, and were a should-be whistle away from a Final Four in 21. Shes gone, and she's doing great. Even if she had recruited a Fab 5 the last 3 years she was here, it wouldn't have changed the current trajectory of our program.
"Transfers supplement the great programs they don't build them." and at that point we were a great program, it was built. We didn't have to rely on the diamond in the rough HS kid to make the jump to Elite
At a Tip-Off Club meeting in 2021 KM spoke about how difficult it was to continue to "feed the monster" she had created at Baylor. She sounded tried. I turned to my wife right after she spoke and said "I almost thought she was going to say she was retiring"
To summarize my original post, I believe
1. KM is a great coach who built a great program here
2. Recuriting had slipped from Baylor standards in 19,20,21 both in quality and quantity.
3. KM didn't seem to have the same fire for the future she had in the past.
4. Moving to LSU rekindled her fire...and fashion
5. I believe the move was beneficial for both Baylor and KM
6. CNC is the coach of my team and in 3 years with a total rebuild of the program we are in the Sweet 16 and the future is bright for Baylor....as it is for LSU, but since I didn't go to LSU I don't really care.
