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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."
People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?
Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."
Our pastor (to my great surprise) addressed the abortion topic in his sermon yesterday. One of the main takeaways was to say that if we as Christians want for there to be fewer abortions or for abortions to go away, then we as Christians have to make women feel confident that they will not be alone and will have support in all different ways from their community.
Might actually have been one of the best sermons I've heard this pastor give.
There are more crisis pregnancy centers than unPlanned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities. These centers give the women options to abortion, help them apply for financial assistance, and counsel them. Did your pastor care to tell the congregation that help is actually available to women?
https://www.pregnancyandchildren.com/pregnancy/pregnancy_assistance.htm
Absolutely and encouraged those that were led to volunteer and/or give at a few different organizations and gave the contact information for them.
His point was that women might feel more comfortable and consider keeping the child if they felt they would receive Christian love and support through the pregnancy and beyond if they did not feel as judged for their "Bad Decisions"
As I said, Christians have invested heavily in pro-life support for unplanned pregnancies. And yes, unplanned pregnancies outside of marriage are the result of bad decisions and usually more than one bad decision. Recognizing that fact is the other side of the same coin.
So then what is more important, doing things and giving so that women (or couples) will not feel alone and feel they have the support to go through the pregnancy and either give up the child for adoption or choose to raise it herself or pointing out someone's "Bad Decision"?
If your goal is for there to be abortions, what are you willing to do to help?
First step is to outlaw abortions for all reasons except mothers health and proven rape. Stop the lie that killing a human out of convenience or because you wanted a girl or because you hate people with Down's syndrome is somehow more compassionate than the Christian charities all across America funded privately to help single mothers and people in need. If we get back to teaching people that human life matters and science matters abortions will decline.
So how has that worked with drugs?
Should we outlaw something or should we tell someone we love them and will be there for them through a really tough time and they can count on their Christian community to support them?
Murder is illegal yet people still murder, therefore murder should be legal.
Abortion will be legal in some states. I can promise you that. People will find ways to have an abortion if they want one.
So again, if we want fewer abortions, why aren't we talking about things that will help people not want to have one besides just trying to make it a law?
If you look closer, I have been talking about things that will make people not want to kill their kids. Choosing to refrain from sex. Acknowledging responsibility for the consequences of their actions. I realize it's not "in" to place the burden of one's decisions on the decision maker, but you asked what would help. Teaching personal responsibility would help.
I have no problem with teaching responsibilities and consequences of decisions. Reality and the entire human history says that unwanted or unexpected pregnancies will happen.
When that happens, not if but when, how do we as Christians respond? Is the greater goal to teach about "Bad Decisions" or is the greater goal to make someone in a tough spot feel loved and supported so they will be more likely to keep the child?
We respond by telling them that killing their children is not an acceptable way to escape responsibility. Christians can help people avoid mistakes, too. We aren't called to sit and wait while evil is committed and then find ways to make the evil doers feel better about their actions. The road to hell is paved with good intent. If more people realized what an atrocity abortion is they might not be so willing to "make a mistake" by screwing. If more people see that an accidental pregnancy is nothing but a trip to PP and a few days in bed, more baby humans will die.
If people see that they will be judged for their "Bad Decisions" and don't feel that they will have help and support through the pregnancy and beyond, people will continue to have abortions.
No problem with telling people what a horror and tragedy it is and how much some women regret it. But no matter how much you want people to not screw, it is going to happen. Teens were getting pregnant in the Biblical times as women were getting married at 16-18.
Again, which would help fewer people to make that choice - just telling them, "Don't do that!" or telling them the realities of our decisions but when it happens deciding the life of the child is more important than the lecture and saying, "Oh well, that's what you get for screwing" and hope they make the right choice?
