Waco1947 said:

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Sixty-six percent say Roe v. Wade should not be completely struck down, and 59% would support Congress passing legislation to establish a nationwide right to abortion, including 81% of Democrats, 65% of independents and 30% of Republicans, the survey finds.
CNN

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Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. The 59% that say Congress should pass legislation, than you wouldn't have to rely on wrong judicial precedent. If the polls are right, it should be a slam dunk.

Oh, than there would have to be compromise, we can't have that.

This continued punting every tough decision to the Courts has got to stop.

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That’s certainly one way to not describe it. pic.twitter.com/ZgLQ86FdL0

— Michael Brendan Dougherty (@michaelbd) May 9, 2022

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Sorta like saying "JFK experienced sudden hemorrhaging and cranial leakage while riding in the back of an open convertible."

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that happened.. more or less

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Waco1947 said:

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Sixty-six percent say Roe v. Wade should not be completely struck down, and 59% would support Congress passing legislation to establish a nationwide right to abortion, including 81% of Democrats, 65% of independents and 30% of Republicans, the survey finds.
CNN

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Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. The 59% that say Congress should pass legislation, than you wouldn't have to rely on wrong judicial precedent. If the polls are right, it should be a slam dunk.

Oh, than there would have to be compromise, we can't have that.

This continued punting every tough decision to the Courts has got to stop.

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[Alan Shore] Maybe there will be proposed a 3/5ths compromise. After all, you can never be too sure that someone is really a person unless he or she is just like you. [/Alan Shore]

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90sBear said:

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90sBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

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Our pastor (to my great surprise) addressed the abortion topic in his sermon yesterday. One of the main takeaways was to say that if we as Christians want for there to be fewer abortions or for abortions to go away, then we as Christians have to make women feel confident that they will not be alone and will have support in all different ways from their community.

Might actually have been one of the best sermons I've heard this pastor give.

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There are more crisis pregnancy centers than unPlanned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities. These centers give the women options to abortion, help them apply for financial assistance, and counsel them. Did your pastor care to tell the congregation that help is actually available to women?

https://www.pregnancyandchildren.com/pregnancy/pregnancy_assistance.htm

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Absolutely and encouraged those that were led to volunteer and/or give at a few different organizations and gave the contact information for them.

His point was that women might feel more comfortable and consider keeping the child if they felt they would receive Christian love and support through the pregnancy and beyond if they did not feel as judged for their "Bad Decisions"

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As I said, Christians have invested heavily in pro-life support for unplanned pregnancies. And yes, unplanned pregnancies outside of marriage are the result of bad decisions and usually more than one bad decision. Recognizing that fact is the other side of the same coin.

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So then what is more important, doing things and giving so that women (or couples) will not feel alone and feel they have the support to go through the pregnancy and either give up the child for adoption or choose to raise it herself or pointing out someone's "Bad Decision"?

If your goal is for there to be abortions, what are you willing to do to help?

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I thought I would just post on the internet and talk about what my pastor said. Honestly, it is none of your business what I do and even if I did absolutely nothing, then that does not diminish my right to have an opinion.

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Woooo... This is not about the morality of abortion. This is about where the regulation should occur and because it is medical procedure it will be regulated.

A- State Legislature
B- Federal Congree
C- Courts

The Constitutional answer right now is the States.

If Congress believes the polls, than pass an Amendment

Courts, really have no roll but to interpret legislation against existing laws.

So, I'm terms of this Alito arguement, where does it go?????

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90sBear said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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90sBear said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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90sBear said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

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Our pastor (to my great surprise) addressed the abortion topic in his sermon yesterday. One of the main takeaways was to say that if we as Christians want for there to be fewer abortions or for abortions to go away, then we as Christians have to make women feel confident that they will not be alone and will have support in all different ways from their community.

Might actually have been one of the best sermons I've heard this pastor give.

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There are more crisis pregnancy centers than unPlanned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities. These centers give the women options to abortion, help them apply for financial assistance, and counsel them. Did your pastor care to tell the congregation that help is actually available to women?

https://www.pregnancyandchildren.com/pregnancy/pregnancy_assistance.htm

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Absolutely and encouraged those that were led to volunteer and/or give at a few different organizations and gave the contact information for them.

His point was that women might feel more comfortable and consider keeping the child if they felt they would receive Christian love and support through the pregnancy and beyond if they did not feel as judged for their "Bad Decisions"

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As I said, Christians have invested heavily in pro-life support for unplanned pregnancies. And yes, unplanned pregnancies outside of marriage are the result of bad decisions and usually more than one bad decision. Recognizing that fact is the other side of the same coin.

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So then what is more important, doing things and giving so that women (or couples) will not feel alone and feel they have the support to go through the pregnancy and either give up the child for adoption or choose to raise it herself or pointing out someone's "Bad Decision"?

If your goal is for there to be abortions, what are you willing to do to help?

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I thought I would just post on the internet and talk about what my pastor said. Honestly, it is none of your business what I do and even if I did absolutely nothing, then that does not diminish my right to have an opinion.

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Woooo... This is not about the morality of abortion. This is about where the regulation should occur and because it is medical procedure it will be regulated.

A- State Legislature
B- Federal Congree
C- Courts

The Constitutional answer right now is the States.

If Congress believes the polls, than pass an Amendment

Courts, really have no roll but to interpret legislation against existing laws.

So, I'm terms of this Alito arguement, where does it go?????

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I agree with all that. Not sure why the clap back

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RMF5630 said:

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90sBear said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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90sBear said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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90sBear said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

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Our pastor (to my great surprise) addressed the abortion topic in his sermon yesterday. One of the main takeaways was to say that if we as Christians want for there to be fewer abortions or for abortions to go away, then we as Christians have to make women feel confident that they will not be alone and will have support in all different ways from their community.

Might actually have been one of the best sermons I've heard this pastor give.

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There are more crisis pregnancy centers than unPlanned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities. These centers give the women options to abortion, help them apply for financial assistance, and counsel them. Did your pastor care to tell the congregation that help is actually available to women?

https://www.pregnancyandchildren.com/pregnancy/pregnancy_assistance.htm

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Absolutely and encouraged those that were led to volunteer and/or give at a few different organizations and gave the contact information for them.

His point was that women might feel more comfortable and consider keeping the child if they felt they would receive Christian love and support through the pregnancy and beyond if they did not feel as judged for their "Bad Decisions"

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As I said, Christians have invested heavily in pro-life support for unplanned pregnancies. And yes, unplanned pregnancies outside of marriage are the result of bad decisions and usually more than one bad decision. Recognizing that fact is the other side of the same coin.

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So then what is more important, doing things and giving so that women (or couples) will not feel alone and feel they have the support to go through the pregnancy and either give up the child for adoption or choose to raise it herself or pointing out someone's "Bad Decision"?

If your goal is for there to be abortions, what are you willing to do to help?

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I thought I would just post on the internet and talk about what my pastor said. Honestly, it is none of your business what I do and even if I did absolutely nothing, then that does not diminish my right to have an opinion.

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Woooo... This is not about the morality of abortion. This is about where the regulation should occur and because it is medical procedure it will be regulated.

A- State Legislature
B- Federal Congree
C- Courts

The Constitutional answer right now is the States.

If Congress believes the polls, than pass an Amendment

Courts, really have no roll but to interpret legislation against existing laws.

So, I'm terms of this Alito arguement, where does it go?????

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I agree with all that. Not sure why the clap back

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Because the arguement is getting dragged down the rabbit hole of morality and whether abortion is right. That arguement needs to occur after we find out where the debate will be had.

The Dems want this to be an indictment on abortion. Only way to win is stick to point at hand, is Roe Constitutional? Not whether or how abortion should or should not occur.

Sorry if wrong guy, tough to keep track.

To my friends in the LGBTQ+ community—the Supreme Court is coming for us next. This moment has to be a call to arms.

— Lori Lightfoot (@LoriLightfoot) May 10, 2022

You followed the stereotype and called the people monsters. Its not a common praxtice anymore. It certainly has not been a problem for chinese on america. And yet some people are still poonting at the the chinese and think there should be special abortion laws for these "monsters'.

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You followed the stereotype and called the people monsters. Its not a common praxtice anymore. It certainly has not been a problem for chinese on america. And yet some people are still poonting at the the chinese and think there should be special abortion laws for these "monsters'.

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Yes, people who kill their kids for reasons outside of health of the mother or rape/incest are monsters. Banning the use of the sex of the child as justification for killing said child has nothing to do with Asian hate...unless you think it's something only Asians do or did. "You can't ban killing kids over their sex because Chinese people did it for decades due to their government's one child law therefore banning it here and now means you're a racist!"

Nope.

Seeing some outrage over this clip pic.twitter.com/Me016KVIhh

— Acyn (@Acyn) May 10, 2022

.@SpeakerPelosi: "I want the Republican Party to take back the party to where you were when you cared about a woman's right to choose, you cared about the environment. Here I am, Nancy Pelosi, saying this country needs a strong Republican Party. Not a cult." pic.twitter.com/h12SSFQKdk

— The Hill (@thehill) May 9, 2022

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That’s certainly one way to not describe it. pic.twitter.com/ZgLQ86FdL0

— Michael Brendan Dougherty (@michaelbd) May 9, 2022

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Sorta like saying "JFK experienced sudden hemorrhaging and cranial leakage while riding in the back of an open convertible."

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American Airlines Flight 11 deviates from flight path and makes alterative landing.

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90sBear said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

---

Our pastor (to my great surprise) addressed the abortion topic in his sermon yesterday. One of the main takeaways was to say that if we as Christians want for there to be fewer abortions or for abortions to go away, then we as Christians have to make women feel confident that they will not be alone and will have support in all different ways from their community.

Might actually have been one of the best sermons I've heard this pastor give.

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There are more crisis pregnancy centers than unPlanned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities. These centers give the women options to abortion, help them apply for financial assistance, and counsel them. Did your pastor care to tell the congregation that help is actually available to women?

https://www.pregnancyandchildren.com/pregnancy/pregnancy_assistance.htm

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Absolutely and encouraged those that were led to volunteer and/or give at a few different organizations and gave the contact information for them.

His point was that women might feel more comfortable and consider keeping the child if they felt they would receive Christian love and support through the pregnancy and beyond if they did not feel as judged for their "Bad Decisions"

---

As I said, Christians have invested heavily in pro-life support for unplanned pregnancies. And yes, unplanned pregnancies outside of marriage are the result of bad decisions and usually more than one bad decision. Recognizing that fact is the other side of the same coin.

---

So then what is more important, doing things and giving so that women (or couples) will not feel alone and feel they have the support to go through the pregnancy and either give up the child for adoption or choose to raise it herself or pointing out someone's "Bad Decision"?

If your goal is for there to be abortions, what are you willing to do to help?

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First step is to outlaw abortions for all reasons except mothers health and proven rape. Stop the lie that killing a human out of convenience or because you wanted a girl or because you hate people with Down's syndrome is somehow more compassionate than the Christian charities all across America funded privately to help single mothers and people in need. If we get back to teaching people that human life matters and science matters abortions will decline.

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So how has that worked with drugs?

Should we outlaw something or should we tell someone we love them and will be there for them through a really tough time and they can count on their Christian community to support them?

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Murder is illegal yet people still murder, therefore murder should be legal.

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Abortion will be legal in some states. I can promise you that. People will find ways to have an abortion if they want one.

So again, if we want fewer abortions, why aren't we talking about things that will help people not want to have one besides just trying to make it a law?

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If you look closer, I have been talking about things that will make people not want to kill their kids. Choosing to refrain from sex. Acknowledging responsibility for the consequences of their actions. I realize it's not "in" to place the burden of one's decisions on the decision maker, but you asked what would help. Teaching personal responsibility would help.

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I have no problem with teaching responsibilities and consequences of decisions. Reality and the entire human history says that unwanted or unexpected pregnancies will happen.

When that happens, not if but when, how do we as Christians respond? Is the greater goal to teach about "Bad Decisions" or is the greater goal to make someone in a tough spot feel loved and supported so they will be more likely to keep the child?

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We respond by telling them that killing their children is not an acceptable way to escape responsibility. Christians can help people avoid mistakes, too. We aren't called to sit and wait while evil is committed and then find ways to make the evil doers feel better about their actions. The road to hell is paved with good intent. If more people realized what an atrocity abortion is they might not be so willing to "make a mistake" by screwing. If more people see that an accidental pregnancy is nothing but a trip to PP and a few days in bed, more baby humans will die.

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If people see that they will be judged for their "Bad Decisions" and don't feel that they will have help and support through the pregnancy and beyond, people will continue to have abortions.

No problem with telling people what a horror and tragedy it is and how much some women regret it. But no matter how much you want people to not screw, it is going to happen. Teens were getting pregnant in the Biblical times as women were getting married at 16-18.

Again, which would help fewer people to make that choice - just telling them, "Don't do that!" or telling them the realities of our decisions but when it happens deciding the life of the child is more important than the lecture and saying, "Oh well, that's what you get for screwing" and hope they make the right choice?

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Thats the point of outlawing abortion on demand. Take away that option and stop pretending it's a reasonable choice to make and we won't have to tell them anything. With enough people "forced" to raise their children rather than kill them, the consequences of screwing will become more real to the rest and out of wedlock sex will decline. Most of the US media uses sex to sell their products so this idea of personal responsibility and treating sex with respect will NEVER be mainstream, but we are called to be in this world, not of it. It's human nature to want the easy way out, but in this case that easy way is killing a human.

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You will never fully "take away the option". Some states will vote for it. Some women will find illegal ways or work arounds. There is no magic wand you can wave that will ever take it away.

You say humans want the east way out, I say you want the east way out of making fewer abortions. You want to wave a wand, make it illegal, and then make someone else have to worry about it. Police, courts, etc. That is the definition of being "of this world."

What are you willing to do beyond that?

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That's the thing about personal responsibility; it's the responsibility of the person who created it. If you feed bears they become dependent on humans for food. If you let people kill their children in order to avoid their problems, that is what they will do. No one said outlawing killing your kids will save all kids, we just want to stop around 800,000+ deaths every year that don't have to happen. There is no magic amount of cash or tax dollars given to the irresponsible or abortions allowed that will slow or stop abortions. Reinforcing bad decisions only leads to more bad decisions. Parenthood is not a punishment, certainly not one that justifies killing your kids to escape.

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So a young woman says, "I made a mistake but I'm pregnant. I just don't know what to do. (Killing your child isn't an answer to your mistake) I feel alone and like there is no way I can handle this.(Everyone feels like that before a serious challenge. All parents, too) . I want kids some day but not like this. (Life can be like that, still can't kill your kids) I'm worried if I go through this it will make it so I have a kid in really bad circumstances that will cause my child to grow up with a much harder life than if I could just wait a few more years and have a child then.(Being killed makes living much more difficult than poverty) I don't have any support and feel like everyone is going to judge me if they find out." (Embarrassment is not a death sentence for your kids)

Your response is, "Well, it's your own damn fault. Well, don't do that it's really wrong. No, I don't have any more to offer you than that."

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Did you intentionally leave out my multiple mentions of resources both private and public created specifically to help poor mothers and children in order to make your statement about what I would say or was it an honest mistake?

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You are right, I did not acknowledge that part of what you said enough. I apologize.

I guess I just personally feel strongly about the importance of that approach once pregnancy has happened. I don't want people who express such strong views about making abortion go away to ignore what a lot of women report as the reasons they choose to have an abortion in the first place and not place enough importance on addressing those issues.

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

---

Our pastor (to my great surprise) addressed the abortion topic in his sermon yesterday. One of the main takeaways was to say that if we as Christians want for there to be fewer abortions or for abortions to go away, then we as Christians have to make women feel confident that they will not be alone and will have support in all different ways from their community.

Might actually have been one of the best sermons I've heard this pastor give.

---

There are more crisis pregnancy centers than unPlanned Parenthood surgical abortion facilities. These centers give the women options to abortion, help them apply for financial assistance, and counsel them. Did your pastor care to tell the congregation that help is actually available to women?

https://www.pregnancyandchildren.com/pregnancy/pregnancy_assistance.htm

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Absolutely and encouraged those that were led to volunteer and/or give at a few different organizations and gave the contact information for them.

His point was that women might feel more comfortable and consider keeping the child if they felt they would receive Christian love and support through the pregnancy and beyond if they did not feel as judged for their "Bad Decisions"

---

As I said, Christians have invested heavily in pro-life support for unplanned pregnancies. And yes, unplanned pregnancies outside of marriage are the result of bad decisions and usually more than one bad decision. Recognizing that fact is the other side of the same coin.

---

So then what is more important, doing things and giving so that women (or couples) will not feel alone and feel they have the support to go through the pregnancy and either give up the child for adoption or choose to raise it herself or pointing out someone's "Bad Decision"?

If your goal is for there to be abortions, what are you willing to do to help?

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First step is to outlaw abortions for all reasons except mothers health and proven rape. Stop the lie that killing a human out of convenience or because you wanted a girl or because you hate people with Down's syndrome is somehow more compassionate than the Christian charities all across America funded privately to help single mothers and people in need. If we get back to teaching people that human life matters and science matters abortions will decline.

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So how has that worked with drugs?

Should we outlaw something or should we tell someone we love them and will be there for them through a really tough time and they can count on their Christian community to support them?

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Murder is illegal yet people still murder, therefore murder should be legal.

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Abortion will be legal in some states. I can promise you that. People will find ways to have an abortion if they want one.

So again, if we want fewer abortions, why aren't we talking about things that will help people not want to have one besides just trying to make it a law?

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If you look closer, I have been talking about things that will make people not want to kill their kids. Choosing to refrain from sex. Acknowledging responsibility for the consequences of their actions. I realize it's not "in" to place the burden of one's decisions on the decision maker, but you asked what would help. Teaching personal responsibility would help.

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I have no problem with teaching responsibilities and consequences of decisions. Reality and the entire human history says that unwanted or unexpected pregnancies will happen.

When that happens, not if but when, how do we as Christians respond? Is the greater goal to teach about "Bad Decisions" or is the greater goal to make someone in a tough spot feel loved and supported so they will be more likely to keep the child?

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We respond by telling them that killing their children is not an acceptable way to escape responsibility. Christians can help people avoid mistakes, too. We aren't called to sit and wait while evil is committed and then find ways to make the evil doers feel better about their actions. The road to hell is paved with good intent. If more people realized what an atrocity abortion is they might not be so willing to "make a mistake" by screwing. If more people see that an accidental pregnancy is nothing but a trip to PP and a few days in bed, more baby humans will die.

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If people see that they will be judged for their "Bad Decisions" and don't feel that they will have help and support through the pregnancy and beyond, people will continue to have abortions.

No problem with telling people what a horror and tragedy it is and how much some women regret it. But no matter how much you want people to not screw, it is going to happen. Teens were getting pregnant in the Biblical times as women were getting married at 16-18.

Again, which would help fewer people to make that choice - just telling them, "Don't do that!" or telling them the realities of our decisions but when it happens deciding the life of the child is more important than the lecture and saying, "Oh well, that's what you get for screwing" and hope they make the right choice?

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Thats the point of outlawing abortion on demand. Take away that option and stop pretending it's a reasonable choice to make and we won't have to tell them anything. With enough people "forced" to raise their children rather than kill them, the consequences of screwing will become more real to the rest and out of wedlock sex will decline. Most of the US media uses sex to sell their products so this idea of personal responsibility and treating sex with respect will NEVER be mainstream, but we are called to be in this world, not of it. It's human nature to want the easy way out, but in this case that easy way is killing a human.

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You will never fully "take away the option". Some states will vote for it. Some women will find illegal ways or work arounds. There is no magic wand you can wave that will ever take it away.

You say humans want the east way out, I say you want the east way out of making fewer abortions. You want to wave a wand, make it illegal, and then make someone else have to worry about it. Police, courts, etc. That is the definition of being "of this world."

What are you willing to do beyond that?

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That's the thing about personal responsibility; it's the responsibility of the person who created it. If you feed bears they become dependent on humans for food. If you let people kill their children in order to avoid their problems, that is what they will do. No one said outlawing killing your kids will save all kids, we just want to stop around 800,000+ deaths every year that don't have to happen. There is no magic amount of cash or tax dollars given to the irresponsible or abortions allowed that will slow or stop abortions. Reinforcing bad decisions only leads to more bad decisions. Parenthood is not a punishment, certainly not one that justifies killing your kids to escape.

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So a young woman says, "I made a mistake but I'm pregnant. I just don't know what to do. (Killing your child isn't an answer to your mistake) I feel alone and like there is no way I can handle this.(Everyone feels like that before a serious challenge. All parents, too) . I want kids some day but not like this. (Life can be like that, still can't kill your kids) I'm worried if I go through this it will make it so I have a kid in really bad circumstances that will cause my child to grow up with a much harder life than if I could just wait a few more years and have a child then.(Being killed makes living much more difficult than poverty) I don't have any support and feel like everyone is going to judge me if they find out." (Embarrassment is not a death sentence for your kids)

Your response is, "Well, it's your own damn fault. Well, don't do that it's really wrong. No, I don't have any more to offer you than that."

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Did you intentionally leave out my multiple mentions of resources both private and public created specifically to help poor mothers and children in order to make your statement about what I would say or was it an honest mistake?

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You are right, I did not acknowledge that part of what you said enough. I apologize.

I guess I just personally feel strongly about the importance of that approach once pregnancy has happened. I don't want people who express such strong views about making abortion go away to ignore what a lot of women report as the reasons they choose to have an abortion in the first place and not place enough importance on addressing those issues.

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I appreciate the acknowledgment. Also the conversation. We aren't very far apart on this, I just have a few sticking points, like anyone does. Have good night.

Cobretti said:

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.@SpeakerPelosi: "I want the Republican Party to take back the party to where you were when you cared about a woman's right to choose, you cared about the environment. Here I am, Nancy Pelosi, saying this country needs a strong Republican Party. Not a cult." pic.twitter.com/h12SSFQKdk

— The Hill (@thehill) May 9, 2022

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the GOP needs to be more RINO according to Pelosi

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Fajita meat is almost $18/lb. Gas is $4/gal. Baby killing won't be the top issue in November.

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They will make it the top issue. Watch what we discuss during the summer and fall. Supreme Court should sit on it until Jan. If they rule in June, the midterms will be a bout abortion rights and Bidens support of Ukraine, you won't hear a peep on economy or Afghanistan or border or Fentonal crisis or trans in school. Green New Deal has become a given, not even an issue.

Watch you will not get a peep except abortion and ANTIFA riots supporting women's right to choose.

Dems do not realize they are in a hole, and still they dig.....

https://www.aol.com/news/suburban-phoenix-cautionary-tale-democrats-102637756-134536506.html

"Of the 21 women interviewed by Reuters, five said they were pro-life and Republican, while 16 said they were pro-choice. Just two of the 16 said the issue was the top priority for them when voting this November, while half of the 16 were undecided about who to vote for in the Senate race because of concerns about the economy. The other half said they would likely vote Democrat."

Key: At the moment Roe appears likely to be overturned, Dems cannot summon an absolute majority of a polling sample that is 75% pro-choice.

The fall elections will be an epic bloodbath for Democrats.

To my friends in the LGBTQ+ community—the Supreme Court is coming for us next. This moment has to be a call to arms.

— Lori Lightfoot (@LoriLightfoot) May 10, 2022

Jack Bauer said:

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To my friends in the LGBTQ+ community—the Supreme Court is coming for us next. This moment has to be a call to arms.

— Lori Lightfoot (@LoriLightfoot) May 10, 2022

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The protections of the LBGT alphabet community are completely different than this issue but way to whip up fear

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

Waco1947 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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You're right, it's better we kill them.

Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Birth control is illegal???

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Does anyone really know a woman as helpless as Waco1947's caricature? I understand that is the official Democrat party view of women, but I have never actually met a woman that helpless in real life.

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Yes, countless teenagers who force into sex by boyfriends are an urge to keep the boy around so that they know that they are loved. Women who have not been taught the Christian values of the sanctity of the body because our church has her has gailed

Waco1947 said:

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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Serious question:

Should mothers of children two years and younger be allowed to kill those children if they "cannot support them with minimum wage jobs"?

Waco1947 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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nobody is supposed to support a family with minimum wage jobs.. they are called portal of entry to the workplace jobs for a reason

What stable, somewhat-competent, minimally ambitious person has a minimum wage job past the age of 17?

Waco1947 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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But in your example, the helpless woman cannot access the "public dull" because the mean Republicans. I bet those mean Republicans also starve school children by classifying school lunch ketchup as a vegetable.

Show me where on this doll the Reaganites hurt you.

Waco1947 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Birth control is illegal???

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Does anyone really know a woman as helpless as Waco1947's caricature? I understand that is the official Democrat party view of women, but I have never actually met a woman that helpless in real life.

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Yes, countless teenagers who force into sex by boyfriends are an urge to keep the boy around so that they know that they are loved. Women who have not been taught the Christian values of the sanctity of the body because our church has her has gailed

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You might want to take a few minutes and read some of the heart breaking stories of the many many women who had abusive boyfriends, partners, family members, (and even progressive pastors/rabbis) force them into getting abortions when they actually wanted to keep their children or give birth to them and then give them up for adoption.

https://www.feministsforlife.org/coerced-abortion-one-womans-story/

["I told him I wanted to give my baby up for adoption." Instead, the minister reached into his desk and gave her a hundred and fifty dollars in cash. "And that's when I realized, in shock, 'He wants me to have an abortion. That means God must want me to have an abortion,'" says Marion.]

https://www.heartbeatinternational.org/forced-abortions-in-america

Waco seriously.

Read some of the threads on twitter or blogs on the internet where women recount their stories of being threated with death by an abusive spouse, partner, or boyfriend if they would not go through with an abortion.

And them come back and tell me this is about "choice".

And that is in America...lets not even talk about the horrors of forced abortion in places like China.

Waco1947 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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So abort the fetus? You think maybe there is a root cause that needs to be solved rather than abortion? You think the fetus would prefer to be born and take their chances?? Just curious.

I find it interesting that you turn the Roe case into a "abortion should be legal" conversation, as the case is not about that.

“People who are pregnant” vs “mothers” is interesting framing here. https://t.co/8KfU41WlI8

— Heather “Sugar Birches” B (@BoulwareH2) May 10, 2022

So wealthy women are mothers and poor women are 'people who are pregnant.' https://t.co/2WOVRtjfyq

— Chad Felix Greene 🇮🇱 (@chadfelixg) May 10, 2022

Waco1947 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Birth control is illegal???

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Does anyone really know a woman as helpless as Waco1947's caricature? I understand that is the official Democrat party view of women, but I have never actually met a woman that helpless in real life.

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Yes, countless teenagers who force into sex by boyfriends are an urge to keep the boy around so that they know that they are loved. Women who have not been taught the Christian values of the sanctity of the body because our church has her has gailed

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I am going to ask the same question, what does this have to do with Roe being overturned and Abortion law being sent back to the States?

I know people think that emotion will win the day, but the question here is about whether Roe overstepped and is unconstitutional.

Jack Bauer said:

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To my friends in the LGBTQ+ community—the Supreme Court is coming for us next. This moment has to be a call to arms.

— Lori Lightfoot (@LoriLightfoot) May 10, 2022

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Good. You freaks asked for it.

Coke Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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Serious question:

Should mothers of children two years and younger be allowed to kill those children if they "cannot support them with minimum wage jobs"?

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coke that's beneath you

RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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So abort the fetus? You think maybe there is a root cause that needs to be solved rather than abortion? You think the fetus would prefer to be born and take their chances?? Just curious.

I find it interesting that you turn the Roe case into a "abortion should be legal" conversation, as the case is not about that.

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I listed all the root causes plus lack of contraceptives, abusive men and husbands, lack of education both general literacy and sex education. Don't make it binary.

Waco1947 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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Serious question:

Should mothers of children two years and younger be allowed to kill those children if they "cannot support them with minimum wage jobs"?

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coke that's beneath you

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What is the line that can't be crossed? Waco, when is too far?