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Sixty-six percent say Roe v. Wade should not be completely struck down, and 59% would support Congress passing legislation to establish a nationwide right to abortion, including 81% of Democrats, 65% of independents and 30% of Republicans, the survey finds.
CNN

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Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. The 59% that say Congress should pass legislation, than you wouldn't have to rely on wrong judicial precedent. If the polls are right, it should be a slam dunk.

Oh, than there would have to be compromise, we can't have that.

This continued punting every tough decision to the Courts has got to stop.

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So true Congress and especially Republicans should get off their high horses and make gender equality a law and reproductive rights a woman's sole decision

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.@SpeakerPelosi: "I want the Republican Party to take back the party to where you were when you cared about a woman's right to choose, you cared about the environment. Here I am, Nancy Pelosi, saying this country needs a strong Republican Party. Not a cult." pic.twitter.com/h12SSFQKdk

— The Hill (@thehill) May 9, 2022

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the GOP needs to be more RINO according to Pelosi

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Please

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Waco1947 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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Serious question:

Should mothers of children two years and younger be allowed to kill those children if they "cannot support them with minimum wage jobs"?

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coke that's beneath you

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What is the line that can't be crossed? Waco, when is too far?

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Live children out of the vagina but it is the decision of doctor and mother as to the viability of the child. Basically it's none of your business Coke. It's her body and her life and living with the consequences not yours in the least. It's in short none of your business.

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.@SpeakerPelosi: "I want the Republican Party to take back the party to where you were when you cared about a woman's right to choose, you cared about the environment. Here I am, Nancy Pelosi, saying this country needs a strong Republican Party. Not a cult." pic.twitter.com/h12SSFQKdk

— The Hill (@thehill) May 9, 2022

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the GOP needs to be more RINO according to Pelosi

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i will vote for the opposite of just about anything Nancy Pelosi suggests.. her district is trashed and she is a hustler who made millions off the american people. Nancy Pelosi is the Joel Osteen of Congress.. all hat and no cattle

Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Sixty-six percent say Roe v. Wade should not be completely struck down, and 59% would support Congress passing legislation to establish a nationwide right to abortion, including 81% of Democrats, 65% of independents and 30% of Republicans, the survey finds.
CNN

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Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. The 59% that say Congress should pass legislation, than you wouldn't have to rely on wrong judicial precedent. If the polls are right, it should be a slam dunk.

Oh, than there would have to be compromise, we can't have that.

This continued punting every tough decision to the Courts has got to stop.

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So true Congress and especially Republicans should get off their high horses and make gender equality a law and reproductive rights a woman's sole decision

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Than the Dems should put forth an Amendment. Roe is an opportunity, Texas could have exactly what you want and describe.

Why all the gnashing of teeth and ripping of clothing over this?


How is gender equity and reproductive rights a womens "sole" decision attached, one has nothing to do with the other. How about father's rights and reproduction is a 50/50 responsibility? There you have equity. See how I did that?

I am also curious, why should Republicans take the lead. Dems want it, have at it.

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.@SpeakerPelosi: "I want the Republican Party to take back the party to where you were when you cared about a woman's right to choose, you cared about the environment. Here I am, Nancy Pelosi, saying this country needs a strong Republican Party. Not a cult." pic.twitter.com/h12SSFQKdk

— The Hill (@thehill) May 9, 2022

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So more corporate greed, more globalist interventionism, and less social conservativism?

No thanks, the Democratic party already exists for that.

Waco1947 said:

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Live children out of the vagina but it is the decision of doctor and mother as to the viability of the child. Basically it's none of your business Coke. It's her body and her life and living with the consequences not yours in the least. It's in short none of your business.

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You responded to RMF5630, but I do thank you for answering the question.

I won't ask you to expound on further on your response; however, I will offer the following because my question doesn't appear to have come across effectively ...

Several years ago, during my education and change of heart about this debate, I learned to ask the question "would I do this to a two-year old because the mother was ___________?" Fill in the blank: Poor, uneducated, abusive, young, etc.

If I wasn't willing to kill a two-year old for that reason, then I shouldn't kill the unborn for that reason.

I had to radically change my thought process on this topic.

A few weeks ago in another post, I believe that you stated that you NOW believe (again) in the literal resurrection of the actual body of Jesus on Easter Sunday. Not just just a "spirit" or "good feeling" or what ever "Process Theology" that you espoused in the past on this board.

I have been praying for you daily in this regard. I will continue to pray for you daily that you come to believe in and teach that the unborn are human, have an EQUAL right to life as the mother, and that abortion is always wrong.

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Coke Bear said:

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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Serious question:

Should mothers of children two years and younger be allowed to kill those children if they "cannot support them with minimum wage jobs"?

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coke that's beneath you

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What is the line that can't be crossed? Waco, when is too far?

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Live children out of the vagina but it is the decision of doctor and mother as to the viability of the child. Basically it's none of your business Coke. It's her body and her life and living with the consequences not yours in the least. It's in short none of your business.

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Does the Father have any say in this short of getting into bed in the first place?? I don't think they have figured out how to do this without him and they will expect financial support. So, doesn't the father have any say? You talk equity, yet your positions are more mine and stay away...

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Waco1947 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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Serious question:

Should mothers of children two years and younger be allowed to kill those children if they "cannot support them with minimum wage jobs"?

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coke that's beneath you

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What is the line that can't be crossed? Waco, when is too far?

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Live children out of the vagina but it is the decision of doctor and mother as to the viability of the child. Basically it's none of your business Coke. It's her body and her life and living with the consequences not yours in the least. It's in short none of your business.

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Every time I read one of your sermons I feel the need to take a shower. You are truly evil.

Cobretti said:

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To my friends in the LGBTQ+ community—the Supreme Court is coming for us next. This moment has to be a call to arms.

— Lori Lightfoot (@LoriLightfoot) May 10, 2022

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Excuse me. Insurrection is your thing. Not ours. https://t.co/5KpcPpC66s

— Lori Lightfoot (@LoriLightfoot) May 10, 2022

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What stable, somewhat-competent, minimally ambitious person has a minimum wage job past the age of 17?

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Hell, even Chick Fil A starts people out at $15 an hour.

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.@SpeakerPelosi: "I want the Republican Party to take back the party to where you were when you cared about a woman's right to choose, you cared about the environment. Here I am, Nancy Pelosi, saying this country needs a strong Republican Party. Not a cult." pic.twitter.com/h12SSFQKdk

— The Hill (@thehill) May 9, 2022

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the GOP needs to be more RINO according to Pelosi

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her district is trashed and she is a hustler who made millions of the american people.

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That's a lot. No wonder 47 is concerned about a lack of contraceptives.

Also, ending slavery really put a damper on the economy when plantation owners had to PAY people.

Yellen: Reducing abortions "would have very damaging effects on the economy and would set women back decades" pic.twitter.com/OLfzZvbM2T

— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) May 10, 2022

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.@SpeakerPelosi: "I want the Republican Party to take back the party to where you were when you cared about a woman's right to choose, you cared about the environment. Here I am, Nancy Pelosi, saying this country needs a strong Republican Party. Not a cult." pic.twitter.com/h12SSFQKdk

— The Hill (@thehill) May 9, 2022

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the GOP needs to be more RINO according to Pelosi

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her district is trashed and she is a hustler who made millions of the american people.

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That's a lot. No wonder 47 is concerned about a lack of contraceptives.

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funny sam again!

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Waco1947 said:

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RMF5630 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Sixty-six percent say Roe v. Wade should not be completely struck down, and 59% would support Congress passing legislation to establish a nationwide right to abortion, including 81% of Democrats, 65% of independents and 30% of Republicans, the survey finds.
CNN

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Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. The 59% that say Congress should pass legislation, than you wouldn't have to rely on wrong judicial precedent. If the polls are right, it should be a slam dunk.

Oh, than there would have to be compromise, we can't have that.

This continued punting every tough decision to the Courts has got to stop.

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So true Congress and especially Republicans should get off their high horses and make gender equality a law and reproductive rights a woman's sole decision

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Than the Dems should put forth an Amendment. Roe is an opportunity, Texas could have exactly what you want and describe.

Why all the gnashing of teeth and ripping of clothing over this?


How is gender equity and reproductive rights a women's "sole" decision attached, one has nothing to do with the other. Yes, they are attached because gender equity- the quality of being fair and impartial "equity of treatment" -- means being fair and impartial to women as is it for men.
Men are not forced to do anything with regards to their sexual health that is agianst their sexual health , for instance, forced to carry to term.
How about father's rights and reproduction is a 50/50 responsibility? Let's make men get a vasectomies at puberty and then reattach the vas deferens when they want to have children.

There you have equity. See how I did that?

I am also curious, why should Republicans take the lead. Dems want it, have at it. It takes 60 votes

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Waco1947 said:

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Coke Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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Serious question:

Should mothers of children two years and younger be allowed to kill those children if they "cannot support them with minimum wage jobs"?

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coke that's beneath you

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What is the line that can't be crossed? Waco, when is too far?

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Live children out of the vagina but it is the decision of doctor and mother as to the viability of the child. Basically it's none of your business Coke. It's her body and her life and living with the consequences not yours in the least. It's in short none of your business.

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Does the Father have any say in this short of getting into bed in the first place?? I don't think they have figured out how to do this without him and they will expect financial support. So, doesn't the father have any say? You talk equity, yet your positions are more mine and stay away...

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A fifteen years condom breaks and he is supposed to get a job to support the baby?

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Coke Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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Serious question:

Should mothers of children two years and younger be allowed to kill those children if they "cannot support them with minimum wage jobs"?

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coke that's beneath you

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What is the line that can't be crossed? Waco, when is too far?

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Live children out of the vagina but it is the decision of doctor and mother as to the viability of the child. Basically it's none of your business Coke. It's her body and her life and living with the consequences not yours in the least. It's in short none of your business.

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Does the Father have any say in this short of getting into bed in the first place?? I don't think they have figured out how to do this without him and they will expect financial support. So, doesn't the father have any say? You talk equity, yet your positions are more mine and stay away...

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A fifteen years condom breaks and he is supposed to get a job to support the baby?

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Yeah, it's called being a responsible human. Irresponsible people kill their kids rather than raise them.

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Live children out of the vagina but it is the decision of doctor and mother as to the viability of the child. Basically it's none of your business Coke. It's her body and her life and living with the consequences not yours in the least. It's in short none of your business.

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You responded to RMF5630, but I do thank you for answering the question.

I won't ask you to expound on further on your response; however, I will offer the following because my question doesn't appear to have come across effectively ...

Several years ago, during my education and change of heart about this debate, I learned to ask the question "would I do this to a two-year old because the mother was ___________?" Fill in the blank: Poor, uneducated, abusive, young, etc.

If I wasn't willing to kill a two-year old for that reason, then I shouldn't kill the unborn for that reason.

I had to radically change my thought process on this topic.

A few weeks ago in another post, I believe that you stated that you NOW believe (again) in the literal resurrection of the actual body of Jesus on Easter Sunday. Not just just a "spirit" or "good feeling" or what ever "Process Theology" that you espoused in the past on this board.

I have been praying for you daily in this regard. I will continue to pray for you daily that you come to believe in and teach that the unborn are human, have an EQUAL right to life as the mother, and that abortion is always wrong.

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False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence#cite_note-1][1][/url] Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."

ex

• "The Deepwater Horizon oil spill is no more harmful than when your neighbor drips some oil on the ground when changing his car's oil."

The comparison is between things differing by many orders of magnitude: Deepwater Horizon spilled 210 million US gal (790 million L) of oil;[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence#cite_note-report2011-7][7][/url] one's neighbor might spill perhaps 1 US pt (0.47 L).

A two year child is of medical substance and consciousness is different from a fetus.
Your argument is life happens at conception which means if you practice any kind of contraception - condom, vasectomy or rhythm - you are aborting God's plan which is the underlying theology of your argument.

Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Live children out of the vagina but it is the decision of doctor and mother as to the viability of the child. Basically it's none of your business Coke. It's her body and her life and living with the consequences not yours in the least. It's in short none of your business.

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You responded to RMF5630, but I do thank you for answering the question.

I won't ask you to expound on further on your response; however, I will offer the following because my question doesn't appear to have come across effectively ...

Several years ago, during my education and change of heart about this debate, I learned to ask the question "would I do this to a two-year old because the mother was ___________?" Fill in the blank: Poor, uneducated, abusive, young, etc.

If I wasn't willing to kill a two-year old for that reason, then I shouldn't kill the unborn for that reason.

I had to radically change my thought process on this topic.

A few weeks ago in another post, I believe that you stated that you NOW believe (again) in the literal resurrection of the actual body of Jesus on Easter Sunday. Not just just a "spirit" or "good feeling" or what ever "Process Theology" that you espoused in the past on this board.

I have been praying for you daily in this regard. I will continue to pray for you daily that you come to believe in and teach that the unborn are human, have an EQUAL right to life as the mother, and that abortion is always wrong.

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False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence#cite_note-1][1][/url] Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."

ex

• "The Deepwater Horizon oil spill is no more harmful than when your neighbor drips some oil on the ground when changing his car's oil."

The comparison is between things differing by many orders of magnitude: Deepwater Horizon spilled 210 million US gal (790 million L) of oil;[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence#cite_note-report2011-7][7][/url] one's neighbor might spill perhaps 1 US pt (0.47 L).

A two year child is of medical substance and consciousness is different from a fetus.
Your argument is life happens at conception which means if you practice any kind of contraception - condom, vasectomy or rhythm - you are aborting God's plan which is the underlying theology of your argument.

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At any stage it's taking a human life.

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Birth control is illegal???

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Does anyone really know a woman as helpless as Waco1947's caricature? I understand that is the official Democrat party view of women, but I have never actually met a woman that helpless in real life.

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Yes, I know countless women.

Cobretti said:

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REALITY CHECK: Women’s fear of being unable to get baby formula will affect the vote this fall far more than women’s fear of being unable to get an abortion.

— Allie Beth Stuckey (@conservmillen) May 9, 2022

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They fear both plus a lot of other cruelties and tragedies for being forced to carry to term.

Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

Pro - life is beyond the birth if not then you are simply pro birth. The gop simply wants the maga base to vote with them.

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Birth control is illegal???

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Does anyone really know a woman as helpless as Waco1947's caricature? I understand that is the official Democrat party view of women, but I have never actually met a woman that helpless in real life.

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Yes, I know countless women.

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I am sure you do, sugar.

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Pro - life is beyond the birth if not then you are simply pro birth.

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Pro-birth isn't much, but at least it's a start. Who are you to judge if you're not even that?

Waco1947 said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

Pro - life is beyond the birth if not then you are simply pro birth. The gop simply wants the maga base to vote with them.

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so why not support programs like save the storks? We donate to them and several foster care facilities in our area. As a foster parent, i dont see it like you do.. stop relying on the govt to do what you should be doing, what your congregation should be doing, what your community should be doing.. its takes a village not a govt

Waco1947 said:

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False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence#cite_note-1][1][/url] Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges."

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I greatly appreciate the fact that look for philosophical fallacies in your post.

Having said that, this is not comparing apples and oranges. Just as a fetus and a two-year old are fully human (alive and growing) so are a two-year old and a person who is 65. They are all fully human, they are just in different stages of development.

I understand being locked into the emotional side of this issue. Many times, (I'm not saying you, specifically) when people have a pro-choice opinion, they have often been involved directly or indirectly with an abortion.

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Pro - life is beyond the birth if not then you are simply pro birth. The gop simply wants the maga base to vote with them.

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I've asked it before, but for the sake of argument, let's say that 100% of the GPO is Pro-Birth and doesn't care what happens after birth, does that make abortion OK?

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Waco1947 said:

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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Serious question:

Should mothers of children two years and younger be allowed to kill those children if they "cannot support them with minimum wage jobs"?

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coke that's beneath you

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What is the line that can't be crossed? Waco, when is too far?

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Live children out of the vagina but it is the decision of doctor and mother as to the viability of the child. Basically it's none of your business Coke. It's her body and her life and living with the consequences not yours in the least. It's in short none of your business.

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Dude. You should just basically come out of the closet and transparently advocate the genocide of bleks and other undesirables a la Justice Ginsburg. You're a full-on eugenicist. Let's murder all the kids of moms on welfare. What is wrong with you?

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Waco1947 said:

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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Serious question:

Should mothers of children two years and younger be allowed to kill those children if they "cannot support them with minimum wage jobs"?

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coke that's beneath you

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What is the line that can't be crossed? Waco, when is too far?

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Live children out of the vagina but it is the decision of doctor and mother as to the viability of the child. Basically it's none of your business Coke. It's her body and her life and living with the consequences not yours in the least. It's in short none of your business.

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Does the Father have any say in this short of getting into bed in the first place?? I don't think they have figured out how to do this without him and they will expect financial support. So, doesn't the father have any say? You talk equity, yet your positions are more mine and stay away...

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A fifteen years condom breaks and he is supposed to get a job to support the baby?

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Where can one get this "fifteen years" condom you speak of? Do you pass them out in the offering plate to the congregation at this so-called "church" you claim to lead?

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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Serious question:

Should mothers of children two years and younger be allowed to kill those children if they "cannot support them with minimum wage jobs"?

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coke that's beneath you

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What is the line that can't be crossed? Waco, when is too far?

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Live children out of the vagina but it is the decision of doctor and mother as to the viability of the child. Basically it's none of your business Coke. It's her body and her life and living with the consequences not yours in the least. It's in short none of your business.

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Does the Father have any say in this short of getting into bed in the first place?? I don't think they have figured out how to do this without him and they will expect financial support. So, doesn't the father have any say? You talk equity, yet your positions are more mine and stay away...

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A fifteen years condom breaks and he is supposed to get a job to support the baby?

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Where can one get this "fifteen years" condom you speak of? Do you pass them out in the offering plate to the congregation at this so-called "church" you claim to lead?

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You keep coming up with these scenarios to justify abortion. There is responsibility with sex, it is not an amusement park ride. There are outcomes that will change a persons life.

Maybe educating your congregation of these outcomes might be a better path than giving them ways out that involve helping 15 year olds find abortion practitioners.

What denomination? Not like any Church i have ever heard based on your comments.

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Amal Shuq-Up said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Women: "Can I have birth control?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I couldn't get birth control so I got pregnant. Can I have an abortion?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: Can I have prenatal and post natal healthcare that I can afford?
Republicans: No
Women: Can I have affordable labor and birth care?
Republicans: No
Women: "I had the baby, but I'm out of work. Can I have WIC and food stamps until I get back on my feet?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: I found a job but it doesn't pay a livable wage. Can I have a $15 minimum wage.
Republicans: No
Women: "I found a job, but it doesn't offer me insurance. Can I have government guaranteed insurance?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "My kid got sick and I got fired because I missed time caring for him. Can I get unemployment?"
Republicans: "No."
Women: "I'm having a hard time getting my kid from school consistently. Can we fund after-school programs?"
Republicans: "No."

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People Who Make Bad Decisions: "Can I have others pay for my bad decisions?

Democrats: "Yes. Vote for us. We will transfer the burdens and expenses of your decisions on to others."

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Problem with your conclusion would you then rather have these children put on the public dull because mothers cannot support them with minimum wage jobs.

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We had our first child when I was in graduate school making $7000/year. Some of my wife's and my best memories are from our experience of raising her. She now has a great job making good money, with even better hours than my job. So glad my wife and I did not use your line of reasoning to murder her because of "muh money."

Ruth Bader Ginsburg was for abortion. Even she said that the Supreme Court erred on the original Roe case. She stated that the court should have just struck down the Texas law and should not have used "privacy" to rule nationwide. Even she indicated it was not a Constitutional issue and instead was a state issue.

Having said that, I somewhat understand abortion is cases of rape, incest and life of the mother but what is the point of abortion beyond those reasons except to have irresponsible sex?

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Ruth Bader Ginsburg was for abortion. Even she said that the Supreme Court erred on the original Roe case. She stated that the court should have just struck down the Texas law and should not have used "privacy" to rule nationwide. Even she indicated it was not a Constitutional issue and instead was a state issue.

Having said that, I somewhat understand abortion is cases of rape, incest and life of the mother but what is the point of abortion beyond those reasons except to have irresponsible sex?

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That is why reasonable countries like those in Europe ban abortion after 20 weeks.

Dutch law (The Netherlands is not a conservative place) also requires people who seek an abortion to be told about possible complications, told about government benefits that can help them if they keep the baby or put it up for adoption, and requires that the person seeking an abortion go home and have a 5 day "reflection" period before going forward with it.

Again, the USA has the most extreme abortion regime in the Western World.

Today, this Senate will vote on the Women’s Health Protection Act to codify the right to an abortion into federal law.

The American people will see where every single U.S. Senator stands.

— Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) May 11, 2022