Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
TexasScientist said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
TexasScientist said:
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
TXScientist, the degree to which you are defending Evolution is inversely proportional to your actual understanding of it.
The issue is, you think the fact of evolution is a challenge to, and calls into question your religious beliefs.
Evolution, defined as an unguided, natural process without God, doesn't challenge anything, as it is merely an unproven assertion and inference from the data.
This data, however, does challenge Evolution, as we've demonstrated. And it hurts you. That's why you're here lashing out, instead of refuting any point being made against it.
Haven't seen any evidence that refutes evolution - only attempts at misrepresentation.
Of course you didn't see any. That's because when given evidence like in the video, you close your eyes and dismiss it via ad hominem.
Oh, it's worse than that. It's not up to people who don't believe Evolution as TS describes it to prove it's false, or else accept Evolution as the default truth, the scientific method itself requires the proponents of a theory to produce the evidence demonstrating the theory is true. The default, of course, is doubt, to which all of us are allowed to express if we're being honest.
The spectrum is broad, with a few on either end claiming the truth is obvious and everyone must accept it, with a large majority of people between those ends who may not have a conclusive opinion but carry some notion in their heart and mind.
For myself, I believe the evidence for God is compelling but leave it for each of us to choose, indeed that God Himself has planned it so we each may choose according to faith. The various theories of Evolution to not alter my beliefs, certainly I feel no need to force people who think Evolution is true to be mocked or attacked the way some think people of faith should be harassed and demeaned,
It's been proven. It's just some don't want to accept proof. Kind of like some don't accept that Trump lost Arizona.
Nope, Evolution is not proven.
Keep believing though.
You'd say gravity isn't proven either.
Nope.
Jump in the air.
You came down, right?
Evolution, well that takes a lot of faith and vague definitions of the key terms.
Vagaries like genetics, scientific observation, fossil record? Pretty straightforward.
Here is Francis Collins (your guy) on evolution:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2008/04/17/the-evidence-for-belief-an-interview-with-francis-collins/#evolution"I think there are at least three problems that have led to the pickle we're in. One is that, by its very nature, evolution is counterintuitive. The idea that a process over hundreds of millions of years could give rise to something as complicated as the vertebrate eye, for example, is not something that seems natural, normal or believable to one who has not worked through the details. That is because our minds are very poor at contemplating something that happened so slowly over such a long period of time. And so, the alternative arguments for supernatural design appeal to a lot of people. That's one problem that has nothing to do with religion; it has to do with the nature of evolution as having occurred in a timeframe that is just not familiar to the human mind and therefore is difficult to accept.
Secondly, we have made, I'm afraid, fairly lousy efforts over the last 150 years in our educational system to convey these concepts in school settings effectively to a large number of people in this country. And so, many people have never really seen the evidence to support evolution. So when you put that together with the natural incredulity one has upon hearing this kind of explanation of the diversity of living things, it's no wonder that those folks don't immediately rush to embrace Darwin.
And the third problem, of course, is that in some faith traditions, evolution seems to be a threat to the idea that God did it. I don't actually see it as a threat at all; I see this as answering the question of
how God did it. But certainly, some conservative Christian churches have had trouble embracing that conclusion, as it does seem to contradict a number of their views about how humanity came to be. Thus, people who have natural skepticism about the overall process, who have not had a decent science education to teach them why evolution actually makes sense and who have heard in Sunday school or from the pulpit that this theory is actually a threat to their faith, have a very hard time accepting, even after 150 years, that evolution is true."