Booray said:

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I don't understand the BIden comments, so help me here.

If the border is wide open and there is no enforcement for being in this country illegally, why do people have to be run in by mules like this? Apparently those seeking to immigrate pay thousands of dollars to ride in these trucks. If the border situation is how it is described, it seems like a $150 Greyhound bus fare would accomplish the same thing with much less danger.

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I think it's a bit disingenuous and a bit obtuse to suggest anyone is saying there is "no enforcement". And it's also extremely insensitive to the lives of thousands of people who die on an annual basis trying to get into the US. To fix this problem, it takes an honest discussion (not "gotcha" responses) and taking an inventory of the situation.

It isn't that there is no enforcement, it's that the enforcement we have is mostly superficial. It would be like having a safe that has a heavily reinforced main door but has paper walls. The designated border crossings are enforced pretty well, but the hundreds of miles between the designated border crossings is porous.

I don't think a wall is feasible, but it's pretty obvious if someone wanted to get across the border and avoid the administrative red tape that comes with doing it legally, they would just circumvent the legal border crossings and figure out how to get further inland once across the border. Something needs to be done to stop the people before they cross the border. A wall wouldn't stop it all, but it would make it much more difficult and could possibly act as a deterrent. Yes, an able-bodied person can easily climb over a wall, but those most at risk during a mule run would have trouble climbing over a wall and that might be just enough to discourage them from even trying to cross the border illegally. If one is anti-wall because it was something Trump pushed, for, then we need to add more law enforcement along the border and other technology (drones, motion detectors, etc.) to slow the mass of humans coming across the border.

At this point, it isn't a political issue, it's a humanity issue. Everyone across the political spectrum should be trying to find a solution to this, but people are too busy trying to make political statements and making "gotcha" statements on internet message boards instead of actually doing something about the problem (myself included).

I can't find the law that states poverty is a free pass to break the law.

Whiterock. Thank you for your informative contributions on this thread.

looks like the truck was cloned.

pretty smart.

huge profit incentive makes people creative.

- kkm

D!

Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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Rawhide said:

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Booray said:

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The answers I am getting are: (1) we have an open border and (2) people have to be smuggled across the open border. There seems to be a conflict between those two things.

Go at it a different way: what policies need to change to stop the flow of illegal immigration and specifically, to prevent episodes like yesterday's?

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Yes, we have a more open border under biden.

As far as policy, The biden administration could enforce the damn immigration laws we have now instead of shipping them all across the country

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As I understand it, "enforcing the laws we have" means that arrestees must be kept in detention center until trial. That is logistically impossible currently and would take a huge investment and years of building to get there.

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Sorry, but "it's inconvenient and costs money" is not a good reason not to follow the law.

Or better yet, deport them insteading putting them on buses headed to an American city near you.

This on Biden

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"Just deport them" is also not following the law. Detaining them without appropriate facilities is also not following the law..

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WacoKelly83 said:

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At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.

These deaths are on Biden.

They are a result of his deadly open border policies.

They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022

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Uh, no.

If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.

Y'all need to think.

Death toll now at 53

quash said:

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WacoKelly83 said:

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At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.

These deaths are on Biden.

They are a result of his deadly open border policies.

They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022

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Uh, no.

If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.

Y'all need to think.

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the border is wide open.

these people likely paid extra and alot extra to skip ahead and not deal w/ the lockup and then bus ride and moving around process.

- kkm

quash said:

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WacoKelly83 said:

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At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.

These deaths are on Biden.

They are a result of his deadly open border policies.

They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022

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Uh, no.

If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.

Y'all need to think.

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Yes they are. And it has already been discussed and explained in this thread.

cowboycwr said:

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quash said:

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WacoKelly83 said:

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At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.

These deaths are on Biden.

They are a result of his deadly open border policies.

They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022

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Uh, no.

If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.

Y'all need to think.

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Yes they are. And it has already been discussed and explained in this thread.

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Read the thread, the explanation was not an explanation. The borders are not open.

I wish they were and have said so for years.

quash said:

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WacoKelly83 said:

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At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.

These deaths are on Biden.

They are a result of his deadly open border policies.

They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022

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Uh, no.

If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.

Y'all need to think.

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If there was a border, trucking wouldn't be an option.

You need to think.

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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WacoKelly83 said:

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At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.

These deaths are on Biden.

They are a result of his deadly open border policies.

They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022

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Uh, no.

If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.

Y'all need to think.

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If there was a border, trucking wouldn't be an option.

You need to think.

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There is a border.

quash said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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WacoKelly83 said:

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At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.

These deaths are on Biden.

They are a result of his deadly open border policies.

They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022

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Uh, no.

If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.

Y'all need to think.

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If there was a border, trucking wouldn't be an option.

You need to think.

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There is a border.

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There's an incomplete border barrier.

Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.

If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.

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who is your neighbor?

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The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.

These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.

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the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?

When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?

If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?

Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.

PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.

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Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.

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you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.

quash said:

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WacoKelly83 said:

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At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.

These deaths are on Biden.

They are a result of his deadly open border policies.

They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022

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Uh, no.

If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.

Y'all need to think.

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You've clearly never been to the Mexico/US border. It is wide open. And while you and people like you continue to ignore this fact, thousands of people die every year trying to illegally cross the open border with the aid of cartels taking advantage of poor and many times uneducated people (not dumb people, just people that lack the education to look up legal immigration laws). So you can continue to deny this fact and we can spend time talking about whether the border is open or not, or we can accept that we have a wide open border that the cartel is using to take advantage of and endanger innocent people just looking for a better life. Maybe if we can get past this obvious fact, we can start talking about real solutions and maybe we won't have another 40 innocent people dead in the back of a truck tomorrow.

quash said:

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WacoKelly83 said:

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At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.

These deaths are on Biden.

They are a result of his deadly open border policies.

They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022

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Uh, no.

If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.

Y'all need to think.

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Your Libertarian Party's 3.4 Free Trade & Migration section asks for "unrestricted movement of human capital across national borders. " This seems to be right in line with the Biden Administration's migration policy.

I have never liked referring to people as capital. People are dying needlessly. That's what I think.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.

If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.

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who is your neighbor?

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The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.

These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.

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the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?

When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?

If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?

Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.

PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.

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Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.

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you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.

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I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.

Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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quash said:

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WacoKelly83 said:

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At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.

These deaths are on Biden.

They are a result of his deadly open border policies.

They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022

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Uh, no.

If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.

Y'all need to think.

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Your Libertarian Party's 3.4 Free Trade & Migration section asks for "unrestricted movement of human capital across national borders. " This seems to be right in line with the Biden Administration's migration policy.

I have never liked referring to people as capital. People are dying needlessly. That's what I think.

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To be fair, this isn't what libertarians want. They want people to be able to move freely and not have to sneak across the border and use the cartel to get across. What we have now is a compromise plan to try to make both democrats and republicans happy.

Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.

If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.

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who is your neighbor?

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The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.

These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.

---

the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?

When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?

If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?

Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.

PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.

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Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.

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you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.

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I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.

Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.

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They're being INVITED by this administration! Their intent or poverty doesn't excuse their criminal activity but you damn well know if you were in their shoes you'd fight tooth and nail to get your family here. This is on Biden for enticing them.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.

If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.

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who is your neighbor?

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The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.

These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.

---

the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?

When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?

If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?

Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.

PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.

---

Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.

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you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.

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I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.

Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.

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There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.

Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.

I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. I guess that's our asparagus.

Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?

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So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.

contrario said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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quash said:

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WacoKelly83 said:

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At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.

These deaths are on Biden.

They are a result of his deadly open border policies.

They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk

— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022

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Uh, no.

If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.

Y'all need to think.

---

Your Libertarian Party's 3.4 Free Trade & Migration section asks for "unrestricted movement of human capital across national borders. " This seems to be right in line with the Biden Administration's migration policy.

I have never liked referring to people as capital. People are dying needlessly. That's what I think.

---

To be fair, this isn't what libertarians want. They want people to be able to move freely and not have to sneak across the border and use the cartel to get across. What we have now is a compromise plan to try to make both democrats and republicans happy.

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People are not human capital. They are people. Whether Americans or immigrants. I wish the Libertarians would change this language.

Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.

If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.

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who is your neighbor?

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The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.

These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.

---

the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?

When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?

If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?

Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.

PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.

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Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.

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you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.

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I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.

Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.

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There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.

Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.

I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. I guess that's our asparagus.

Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?

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So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.

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Not hardly. Someone earlier in the thread described what is going on with the boarder, immigration and the legal side and processing side of it (Whiterock maybe).

I'm all about enforcing the law or rewriting laws to something that serves an intelligent purpose and is enforceable.

The process is willingly broken, willingly unmanageable. We don't have to be. We can fix ourselves by showing grace as we have received grace, mercy as we have received mercy all while we work on fixing a broken immigration system.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.

If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.

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who is your neighbor?

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The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.

These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.

---

the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?

When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?

If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?

Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.

PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.

---

Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.

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you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.

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I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.

Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.

---

There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.

Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.

I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. I guess that's our asparagus.

Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?

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So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.

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Not hardly. Someone earlier in the thread described what is going on with the boarder, immigration and the legal side and processing side of it (Whiterock maybe).

I'm all about enforcing the law or rewriting laws to something that serves an intelligent purpose and is enforceable.

The process is willingly broken, willingly unmanageable. We don't have to be. We can fix ourselves by showing grace as we have received grace, mercy as we have received mercy all while we work on fixing a broken immigration system.

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No. Based on your interpretation, if one doesn't want to be a buffet Christian, one could never defend one's self, call the police to enforce laws, serve in the military or even be a postman. Government doesn't turn the other cheek. Government uses violence to both force compliance and to kill. Supporting any of those things makes you a complicit buffet Christian.

Or you are simply wrong. Either way, I have zero sympathy.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Golem said:

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A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.

If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.

---

who is your neighbor?

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The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.

These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.

---

the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?

When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?

If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?

Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.

PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.

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Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.

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you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.

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I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.

Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.

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There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.

Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.

I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. I guess that's our asparagus.

Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?

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So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.

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Not hardly. Someone earlier in the thread described what is going on with the boarder, immigration and the legal side and processing side of it (Whiterock maybe).

I'm all about enforcing the law or rewriting laws to something that serves an intelligent purpose and is enforceable.

The process is willingly broken, willingly unmanageable. We don't have to be. We can fix ourselves by showing grace as we have received grace, mercy as we have received mercy all while we work on fixing a broken immigration system.

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True, and immigrants are a grace to us through the labor they provide.

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A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.

If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.

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who is your neighbor?

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The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.

These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.

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the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?

When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?

If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?

Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.

PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.

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Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.

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you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.

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I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.

Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.

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There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.

Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.

I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. I guess that's our asparagus.

Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?

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So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.

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Not hardly. Someone earlier in the thread described what is going on with the boarder, immigration and the legal side and processing side of it (Whiterock maybe).

I'm all about enforcing the law or rewriting laws to something that serves an intelligent purpose and is enforceable.

The process is willingly broken, willingly unmanageable. We don't have to be. We can fix ourselves by showing grace as we have received grace, mercy as we have received mercy all while we work on fixing a broken immigration system.

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True, and immigrants are a grace to us through the labor they provide.

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False. They drain resources, bring violent crime and drugs and lower wages for Americans. Illegals are invaders and should be dealt with accordingly.

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A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.

If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.

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who is your neighbor?

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The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.

These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.

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the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?

When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?

If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?

Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.

PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.

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Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.

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you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.

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I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.

Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.

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There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.

Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.

I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. I guess that's our asparagus.

Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?

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So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.

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Not hardly. Someone earlier in the thread described what is going on with the boarder, immigration and the legal side and processing side of it (Whiterock maybe).

I'm all about enforcing the law or rewriting laws to something that serves an intelligent purpose and is enforceable.

The process is willingly broken, willingly unmanageable. We don't have to be. We can fix ourselves by showing grace as we have received grace, mercy as we have received mercy all while we work on fixing a broken immigration system.

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No. Based on your interpretation, if one doesn't want to be a buffet Christian, one could never defend one's self, call the police to enforce laws, serve in the military or even be a postman. Government doesn't turn the other cheek. Government uses violence to both force compliance and to kill. Supporting any of those things makes you a complicit buffet Christian.

Or you are simply wrong. Either way, I have zero sympathy.

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Turning the other cheek does not imply pacifism, nor does it mean we place ourselves or others in danger. Jesus' command to turn the other cheek is simply a command to forgo retaliation for personal offenses. He was not setting government foreign policy, and He was not throwing out the judicial system. Crimes can still be prosecuted, and wars can still be waged, but the follower of Christ need not defend his personal "rights" or avenge his honor.

Don't trade insult for insult.