Doc Holliday said:I've seen it firsthand.Booray said:
Not trying to paint all conservatives as anything. Just those that post here that they have no sympathy for people who were fried to death.
I want more immigrants, we need more immigrants and I feel awful for them.
We need to simultaneously increase immigration, while making drug and human trafficking across the border damn near impossible.
Booray said:
Not trying to paint all conservatives as anything. Just those that post here that they have no sympathy for people who were fried to death.
contrario said:You've clearly never been to the Mexico/US border. It is wide open. And while you and people like you continue to ignore this fact, thousands of people die every year trying to illegally cross the open border with the aid of cartels taking advantage of poor and many times uneducated people (not dumb people, just people that lack the education to look up legal immigration laws). So you can continue to deny this fact and we can spend time talking about whether the border is open or not, or we can accept that we have a wide open border that the cartel is using to take advantage of and endanger innocent people just looking for a better life. Maybe if we can get past this obvious fact, we can start talking about real solutions and maybe we won't have another 40 innocent people dead in the back of a truck tomorrow.quash said:WacoKelly83 said:At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.
— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022
These deaths are on Biden.
They are a result of his deadly open border policies.
They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk
Uh, no.
If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.
Y'all need to think.
That clearly was directed t Golem and his specific statements.LIB,MR BEARS said:Booray said:
Not trying to paint all conservatives as anything. Just those that post here that they have no sympathy for people who were fried to death.
Maybe quoting you will help you remember.
"Conservatism has morphed from a thousand points of light to a black hole of hate."
Sam Lowry said:What about people who exceed the speed limit in pursuit of a better life and end up having an accident? Leave them to die?Golem said:Booray said:Doc Holliday said:You have a bigger problem than you realize,Booray said:Golem said:There's no hate. There's simply zero sympathy for evil, greedy, selfish and entitled foreign invaders who illegally and completely dismissive and disdainful of our sovereignty, bring violence, rape, murder, addiction, and economic ruin to our country. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.Booray said:Golem said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:Golem said:muddybrazos said:Well, we aren't even enforcing our own laws and the cartels are in complete control of the border. These people coming are being sent a message by our government and NGO's that are helping fund their journey that if they can get here then they can stay. The cartels are exploiting this and these poor people are just being caught in the crossfire.Golem said:
A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.
If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.
They are choosing to break the law. Certainly democrat politicians are complicit, but it doesn't change the fact that these people are knowingly violating our laws. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Desperate people trying to provide for their family sometimes do "stupid" things.
Evil, selfish, greedy, and entitled people do too. There's tractor trailers full of them.
Conservatism has morphed from a thousand points of light to a black hole of hate.
The only hate here is your obvious hatred for your country and fellow citizens.
"Zero sympathy" might not be a synonym for hate, but it is not really a gospel inspired position..
People aren't voting republican because of Judeo-Christian moral positions. They're voting in Tea party types because they don't trust our system anymore. A system that every single democrat wants to expand.
A rational position is that congress needs to allocate funds and competence to fix immigration and streamline it. Like whiterock said, that's not advantageous to either party at the moment. Only tea party types are headed in that direction.
There's too much red tape and bureaucratic stonewalling and you need to stop supporting it if you really want solutions.
You have a bigger problem than me if you have to defend a lack of sympathy for people who died horrible deaths while trying to find a better life.
Burglars break into homes to find a better life too. Bank robbers rob banks to find a better life. Car thieves steal cars to find a better life. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I understand because when I say liberalism, in a conversation with you, it clearly means you and not the group of people that fall under the descriptor or liberal or "liberalism".Booray said:That clearly was directed t Golem and his specific statements.LIB,MR BEARS said:Booray said:
Not trying to paint all conservatives as anything. Just those that post here that they have no sympathy for people who were fried to death.
Maybe quoting you will help you remember.
"Conservatism has morphed from a thousand points of light to a black hole of hate."
What labor? They can't legally work.Sam Lowry said:True, and immigrants are a grace to us through the labor they provide.LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.LIB,MR BEARS said:you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.Golem said:Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.LIB,MR BEARS said:the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:who is your neighbor?Golem said:
A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.
If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.
The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.
These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.
When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?
If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?
Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.
PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.
Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.
There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.
Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.
I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. I guess that's our asparagus.
Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?
So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.
Not hardly. Someone earlier in the thread described what is going on with the boarder, immigration and the legal side and processing side of it (Whiterock maybe).
I'm all about enforcing the law or rewriting laws to something that serves an intelligent purpose and is enforceable.
The process is willingly broken, willingly unmanageable. We don't have to be. We can fix ourselves by showing grace as we have received grace, mercy as we have received mercy all while we work on fixing a broken immigration system.
They can't legally cross the border, either…yet here they are.GrowlTowel said:What labor? They can't legally work.Sam Lowry said:True, and immigrants are a grace to us through the labor they provide.LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.LIB,MR BEARS said:you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.Golem said:Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.LIB,MR BEARS said:the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:who is your neighbor?Golem said:
A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.
If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.
The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.
These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.
When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?
If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?
Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.
PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.
Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.
There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.
Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.
I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. I guess that's our asparagus.
Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?
So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.
Not hardly. Someone earlier in the thread described what is going on with the boarder, immigration and the legal side and processing side of it (Whiterock maybe).
I'm all about enforcing the law or rewriting laws to something that serves an intelligent purpose and is enforceable.
The process is willingly broken, willingly unmanageable. We don't have to be. We can fix ourselves by showing grace as we have received grace, mercy as we have received mercy all while we work on fixing a broken immigration system.
Great. Send them home.Sam Lowry said:They can't legally cross the border, either…yet here they are.GrowlTowel said:What labor? They can't legally work.Sam Lowry said:True, and immigrants are a grace to us through the labor they provide.LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.LIB,MR BEARS said:you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.Golem said:Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.LIB,MR BEARS said:the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:who is your neighbor?Golem said:
A car thief dies in a car wreck…zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself…zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies…zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime…zero sympathy.
If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.
The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.
These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.
When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?
If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?
Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.
PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.
Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.
There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.
Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.
I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. I guess that's our asparagus.
Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?
So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.
Not hardly. Someone earlier in the thread described what is going on with the boarder, immigration and the legal side and processing side of it (Whiterock maybe).
I'm all about enforcing the law or rewriting laws to something that serves an intelligent purpose and is enforceable.
The process is willingly broken, willingly unmanageable. We don't have to be. We can fix ourselves by showing grace as we have received grace, mercy as we have received mercy all while we work on fixing a broken immigration system.
Great. Except that we need the labor.GrowlTowel said:Great. %A0Send them home.Sam Lowry said:They can't legally cross the border, either%85yet here they are.GrowlTowel said:What labor? %A0They can't legally work.Sam Lowry said:True, and immigrants are a grace to us through the labor they provide.LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.LIB,MR BEARS said:you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.Golem said:Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.LIB,MR BEARS said:the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:who is your neighbor?Golem said:
A car thief dies in a car wreck%85zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself%85zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies%85zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime%85zero sympathy.
If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.
The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.
These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.
When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?
If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?
Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.
PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.
Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.
There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.
Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.
I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. %A0I guess that's our asparagus.
Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?
So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.
Not hardly. Someone earlier in the thread described what is going on with the boarder, immigration and the legal side and processing side of it (Whiterock maybe).
I'm all about enforcing the law or rewriting laws to something that serves an intelligent purpose and is enforceable.
The process is willingly broken, willingly unmanageable. We don't have to be. We can fix ourselves by showing grace as we have received grace, mercy as we have received mercy all while we work on fixing a broken immigration system.
Sounds harsh right ?Golem said:Booray said:
Immigration policy is difficult and complicated. I have no problem with people arguing for stricter immigration laws or enforcement.
But not having sympathy for folks who die horrible deaths trying for a better life is just beyond the pale for me.
When the uninsured illegal kills your family in a car wreck that never should have happened because he shouldn't have been in the country at all, you can tend his wounds.
quash said:cowboycwr said:Yes they are. And it has already been discussed and explained in this thread.quash said:WacoKelly83 said:At Least 42 People Found Dead Inside Truck Carrying Migrants In Texas.
— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) June 28, 2022
These deaths are on Biden.
They are a result of his deadly open border policies.
They show the deadly consequences of his refusal to enforce the law. https://t.co/8KG3iAwlEk
Uh, no.
If the border were open they wouldn't be hiding in a truck.
Y'all need to think.
Read the thread, the explanation was not an explanation. The borders are not open.
I wish they were and have said so for years.
Booray said:
Immigration policy is difficult and complicated. I have no problem with people arguing for stricter immigration laws or enforcement.
But not having sympathy for folks who die horrible deaths trying for a better life is just beyond the pale for me.
whiterock said:
Until the odds of failure become likely, illegals are not going to quit giving the cartels their life saving to carry them to the USA.
So deport or refuse all the people who claim reasons outside of economic hardship? That's cold and it still requires vetting and control of the border. Try again.quash said:whiterock said:
Until the odds of failure become likely, illegals are not going to quit giving the cartels their life saving to carry them to the USA.
Better option: put the trafficking cartels out of business by opening the border to workers.
If there was an intelligent guest worker setup, I could see wide support. But you do have to recognize that (1) guest worker programs do tend to drive down real wages in many blue-collar job sectors, and (2) the guest worker programs in Europe have been very hard to enforce, with many, many guest workers overstaying. There are tradeoffs and costs.quash said:whiterock said:
Until the odds of failure become likely, illegals are not going to quit giving the cartels their life saving to carry them to the USA.
Better option: put the trafficking cartels out of business by opening the border to workers.
OsoCoreyell said:If there was an intelligent guest worker setup, I could see wide support. But you do have to recognize that (1) guest worker programs do tend to drive down real wages in many blue-collar job sectors, and (2) the guest worker programs in Europe have been very hard to enforce, with many, many guest workers overstaying. There are tradeoffs and costs.quash said:whiterock said:
Until the odds of failure become likely, illegals are not going to quit giving the cartels their life saving to carry them to the USA.
Better option: put the trafficking cartels out of business by opening the border to workers.
Fre3dombear said:
This blood is on the Mulecrats hands
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:Fre3dombear said:
This blood is on the Mulecrats hands
I remember a truck with deaths in San Antonio in 2017. Blood on Trump voters hands?
Same people who have been fighting immigration control for decades.Fre3dombear said:
This blood is on the Mulecrats hands
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:Fre3dombear said:
This blood is on the Mulecrats hands
I remember a truck with deaths in San Antonio in 2017. Blood on Trump voters hands?
Yep... this crap about "they do jobs Americans won't do"Wangchung said:
It happens because we have enough democrat politicians that block any legislation or actions (physical barrier) that could help. They have legions of morons that vote democrat that parrot lines like "walls don't work!" and "the border crossed THEM!!!" and "they do the jobs Americans won't do!" Pretending it's the fault of the sitting president and all other context is irrelevant is just partisan gamesmanship.
With our fearless leader and our new Woke military, I am more concerned about Mexico invading the U.S.Rawhide said:Yep... this crap about "they do jobs Americans won't do"Wangchung said:
It happens because we have enough democrat politicians that block any legislation or actions (physical barrier) that could help. They have legions of morons that vote democrat that parrot lines like "walls don't work!" and "the border crossed THEM!!!" and "they do the jobs Americans won't do!" Pretending it's the fault of the sitting president and all other context is irrelevant is just partisan gamesmanship.
Here's an idea, stop importing cheap ass labor for work Americans won't do.
If we stop the importation of illegal and cheap labor, then companies will be forced to offer a higher pay to attract Americans for the "work they don't want to do". The liberals should love this. I mean after all, it would equal a huge transfer of wealth from the employer to the employee. The lefties should be all over it.
Of course, it's transfer of wealth through wages that are earned and we know leftists hate anyone that earns their way.
Here's a better idea. Let's just invade Mexico, take it over, clean it up then flip it (or lease it out)
Sam Lowry said:Great. Except that we need the labor.GrowlTowel said:Great. %A0Send them home.Sam Lowry said:They can't legally cross the border, either%85yet here they are.GrowlTowel said:What labor? %A0They can't legally work.Sam Lowry said:True, and immigrants are a grace to us through the labor they provide.LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.LIB,MR BEARS said:you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.Golem said:Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.LIB,MR BEARS said:the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:who is your neighbor?Golem said:
A car thief dies in a car wreck%85zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself%85zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies%85zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime%85zero sympathy.
If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.
The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.
These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.
When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?
If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?
Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.
PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.
Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.
There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.
Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.
I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. %A0I guess that's our asparagus.
Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?
So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.
Not hardly. Someone earlier in the thread described what is going on with the boarder, immigration and the legal side and processing side of it (Whiterock maybe).
I'm all about enforcing the law or rewriting laws to something that serves an intelligent purpose and is enforceable.
The process is willingly broken, willingly unmanageable. We don't have to be. We can fix ourselves by showing grace as we have received grace, mercy as we have received mercy all while we work on fixing a broken immigration system.
I snapped my fingers and it didn't happen. What's your backup plan?GrowlTowel said:Sam Lowry said:Great. Except that we need the labor.GrowlTowel said:Great. %A0Send them home.Sam Lowry said:They can't legally cross the border, either%85yet here they are.GrowlTowel said:What labor? %A0They can't legally work.Sam Lowry said:True, and immigrants are a grace to us through the labor they provide.LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:Golem said:I would not save a murderer from his folly, no. I would not save a home invader from his folly, no. I would not save a car jacker from his folly, no. I would not save rapist from his folly, no. I would not save a criminal from his folly, no.LIB,MR BEARS said:you didn't address the cop scenario or if you'd been the first on scene.Golem said:Illegals are the violent robbers, not the traveler who was mugged in the parable. Your attempted analog falls flat. Invaders who storm a neighboring country in the tens of millions and bring violence and death generally receive a very just death, themselves. These people received justice. I have zero sympathy for invaders.LIB,MR BEARS said:the Jews and Samaritans were enemies. When the priest and Levite walked past, did they do the right thing?Golem said:LIB,MR BEARS said:who is your neighbor?Golem said:
A car thief dies in a car wreck%85zero sympathy.
A murderer accidentally shoots and kills himself%85zero sympathy.
A burglar falls from the window he's breaking into and dies%85zero sympathy.
An illegal violates our borders and sovereignty and dies committing that crime%85zero sympathy.
If you want to live with less risk, don't violate the law.
The one who doesn't illegally invade my country, spreading his drug epidemics and gang warfare.
These people are the robbers, not the innocent traveler.
When a cop shoots and wounds someone that was just trying to harm them, is the right thing for them to let them lay there and bleed or to administer first aid?
If you were first on the scene at the trailer would you have administered some form of help to the handful that were still clinging to life like you would have if your neighbor was clinging to life?
Your the one that said "zero sympathy". I'm just wondering does that apply to the handful that didn't die before the discovery.
PS. the story of the Good Samaritan doesn't tell us if the traveler was a Jew or a Samaritan. Apparently, Jesus didn't think it mattered in the telling of the story.
Everyone's life has a purpose. If you die in the course of committing a criminal act, your purpose is to serve as an example to others who would consider following in your footsteps. Every illegal invader to our country who dies in the process of breaking our laws and invading our country deserves the punishment countries have rendered to invaders since time immemorial.
There are certain parts of the Bible I struggle with and would prefer to ignore like I do asparagus at a buffet.
Many on here, including myself, have commented how those living a homosexual lifestyle and calling themselves Christian ignore the Bible in that aspect as though it is their asparagus.
I struggle with love your enemy as I guess you also do. %A0I guess that's our asparagus.
Actually, love your enemy is only a struggle if we treat is as scripture. When we treat it as asparagus it's no problem. Buffet Christian?
So your interpretation of scripture makes you a complete anti-war, anti-police, anti-prison, anti-self defense pacifist. Got it.
Not hardly. Someone earlier in the thread described what is going on with the boarder, immigration and the legal side and processing side of it (Whiterock maybe).
I'm all about enforcing the law or rewriting laws to something that serves an intelligent purpose and is enforceable.
The process is willingly broken, willingly unmanageable. We don't have to be. We can fix ourselves by showing grace as we have received grace, mercy as we have received mercy all while we work on fixing a broken immigration system.
Stop aborting the population. Send them back.
I agree we should stop aborting and grow the population. In the mean time we still need people. You can scoff at the "jobs Americans aren't willing to do" argument, but it's undeniably true in one sense: we have not been willing to sustain our population. That's what I mean when I say the immigrants' contribution is a grace.Wangchung said:
That's about the level of effort one would expect to be put forth by a leftist when it comes to securing the border. "I said 'root causes' 47 times last week! What else do you expect me to do?!? Nothing works!"
You can't create wealth just by raising wages. It takes labor.Wangchung said:
I disagree. Only by creating a demand for workers can we raise wages. We cannot create that demand while cheap illegal labor is readily available.
You cannot create demand by flooding the market with supply.Sam Lowry said:You can't create wealth just by raising wages. It takes labor.Wangchung said:
I disagree. Only by creating a demand for workers can we raise wages. We cannot create that demand while cheap illegal labor is readily available.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
You are blaming an event that has been happening for years on a particular party. It happened under biden. It happened under Trump. I didn't look it up but I bet it happened under obama.
Both parties are to blame. It will keep.happening as long as we support the cartels and hold onto an immigration plan that doesn't work and we can't enforce.
We have jobs and they need work. It isn't difficult.
