Osodecentx said:
whiterock said:
FLBear5630 said:
whiterock said:
FLBear5630 said:
2020 is over. The Dems outplayed the GOP, plain and simple. You cannot re-do the 2020 election. You cannot go back after his term is 3/4 done and un-elect Biden. Dem won, GOP lost... Sooner MAGA comes to that conclusion and moves forward, the better. I agree with Haley and others you can't keep re-playing 2020.
GOP has played it right, look at the number of voting loop-holes that were closed since. Make sure it doesn't happen again, sure. All for it. Make sure GOP State Legislators know what to look for and to be deligent, all for it. In Florida, since the hanging-chad debacle, all voting has been modernized and processes have been clean, including extended hours and timeframes, absentee and protocols at voting locations. Other States have to do that.
What I am sick of, and it has to stop if we are going to go forward as a Nation, is re-living 2020. Trump is poison to the National identity and how he works up people on the past. He needs to go away.
"Outplayed" is quite the euphemism.
Focusing on the obvious fraud is not trying to re-do 2020. It's a necessary step to prevent the problems from costing us a chance to win 2024.
Dems never cease talking about 2000, 2016, etc...contested everything, alleged fraud and interference and all kinds of nonsense, all of it demonstrably not true. And they still win elections all the time. So the idea that because we are Republicans we cannot protest elections is, well.....it's poppycock.
You want the fraud to go away, do away with mail-in voting. Or require a mail-in ballot to be acquired at the county courthouse upon presentation of valid photo ID, with signature and a DNA sample. And outlaw voter harvesting. These are simple, "one man, one vote" protections that a vast majority of voters support.....
Focus on the rules and laws in place for 2024, that is useful. Many in the GOP have done that.
Continually complaining about something that is not going to be proved and may not have changed the outcome is counterproductive. Most of the MAGA have done the latter.
Democrats *****ed about 2000 mightily, and it didn't exactly hurt them. They went well beyond that after 2016 and it turned out ok for them.
*****ing about having a close election stolen is good politics, if you can sell it. Trump has. 2 out of 3 polled believe fraud affected the 2020 election.
The insanity is fighting against that narrative rather than making it work for you.
You mean the truth about the 2020 election doesn't matter as long as the Big Lie works for you politically
And you are a leader in the Texas Republican Party
Yeah, that seems to be pretty much it.
The argument is that because the other side did it, I can do it, too.
Yes, the Democrats lied about the 2000 election which Al Gore lost. Yes the Democrats lied about the 2016 election which Hillary Clinton lost. And, yes, they did things that were Nixonian in nature. (And certain Democrats made a joke of democracy within their candidate selection process in 2016). However, this does not justify lying about the 2020 election which Donald Trump lost.
Prosecutions of a political opponent is a dangerous precedent. Did Trump's actions rise to the level of requiring prosecution (and did his actions really call for impeachment while he was in office?) I guess we will find out, but we have also crossed a bridge where the standard for such actions has been drastically lowered. When the shoe is on the other foot, as it most assuredly will be, those who are celebrating today will have a bitter pill to swallow. I do not expect them recognize their role when that time comes.
