The left in the Americas eliminating its rivals:
— BowTiedMara (@BowTiedMara) August 10, 2023
๐บ๐ธ Trump investigated & three arrest warrants.
๐ง๐ท Jair Bolsonaro banned.
๐ป๐ช Maria Corina banned.
๐ง๐ด Jeannine Aรฑez in prison.
๐ณ๐ฎ Cristiana Chamorro in prison.
๐ช๐จ Fernando Villavicencio assassinated.
๐ฆ๐ทMilei needs more protection pic.twitter.com/i5DX1muVaB
Trump charged by Justice Department for efforts to overturn 2020 election
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Ep. 15 Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund reveals what really happened on January 6th. Our Fox News interview with him never aired, so we invited him back. pic.twitter.com/opDlu4QGlp
— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) August 10, 2023
exactly. Article describes completely lawful efforts to engage in politics and win an election, to include legal theory to support such.Oldbear83 said:
When you depend on the NY Times to sell your argument, you don't really have a good argument.
People file lawsuits all the time knowing full well they are not likely to win...... Sometimes the objective is legal. Sometimes it is political. Sometimes it is both. And losing does not one a criminal make.
Disagree with you on this one. He told his VP, in his chain of command, to accept alternate electors against legal counsel. Pence's Attorneys and White House Counsel said it was not legal. Yet, Trump and his surrogates pushed on at multiple levels after the election was over. That is beyond politics, that is downright coup area.whiterock said:exactly. Article describes completely lawful efforts to engage in politics and win an election, to include legal theory to support such.Oldbear83 said:
When you depend on the NY Times to sell your argument, you don't really have a good argument.
People file lawsuits all the time knowing full well they are not likely to win...... Sometimes the objective is legal. Sometimes it is political. Sometimes it is both. And losing does not one a criminal make.
Since with Trump we all have to believe that he is speaking metaphorically, I find it more likely he found the power of being US President more enticing than money and was willing to do ANYTHING to keep it. That to me is more probable than he was speaking metaphorically, playing master-level political strategy.
That is not even going into the Georgia "find me votes" comments and strong-arming.
The guy is a stupid, loose cannon and gets what he deserves. He is on tape saying "find me 11k votes". Same with the Ukraine impeachment quid pro quo in exchange for investigating Biden. The guy continued to break the law and rely on everyone to believe he is speaking metaphorically. Well, it bit him here. Because words matter and he is dead to rights when taking at the letter of what he says to overturn an election he knew he lost.
Let me say the inconvenient part cleary: it is not illegal to try to use legal procedures to overturn an election you know/suspect you actually lost. Gore literally did that in Florida in 2020. He kept counting Democrat counties only, knowing that the statistical certainty that any errors would fall in his favor might close the gap. And it would have if SCOTUS hadn't stepped in and stopped the re-counting (harvesting of ballot errors). Dems knew what they were doing.FLBear5630 said:Disagree with you on this one. He told his VP, in his chain of command, to accept alternate electors against legal counsel. Pence's Attorneys and White House Counsel said it was not legal. Yet, Trump and his surrogates pushed on at multiple levels after the election was over. That is beyond politics, that is downright coup area.whiterock said:exactly. Article describes completely lawful efforts to engage in politics and win an election, to include legal theory to support such.Oldbear83 said:
When you depend on the NY Times to sell your argument, you don't really have a good argument.
People file lawsuits all the time knowing full well they are not likely to win...... Sometimes the objective is legal. Sometimes it is political. Sometimes it is both. And losing does not one a criminal make.
He also had legal advice that it was a viable plan.... And Pence went along with it until the last minute.
Since with Trump we all have to believe that he is speaking metaphorically, I find it more likely he found the power of being US President more enticing than money and was willing to do ANYTHING to keep it. That to me is more probable than he was speaking metaphorically, playing master-level political strategy.
That is not even going into the Georgia "find me votes" comments and strong-arming.
Noting illegal about pointing out that a more thorough adjudication of mail-in votes would possibly/likely change the outcome. Remember, the margins were, statistically speaking, razor thin. Would have been very easy to find 12k questionable ballots worthy of disqualification. See Florida 2000 and hanging chads for how to execute the program.
The guy is a stupid, loose cannon and gets what he deserves. He is on tape saying "find me 11k votes". Same with the Ukraine impeachment quid pro quo in exchange for investigating Biden. The guy continued to break the law and rely on everyone to believe he is speaking metaphorically. Well, it bit him here. Because words matter and he is dead to rights when taking at the letter of what he says to overturn an election he knew he lost.
False dilemma. Speaking plain truth may be inconvenient, but it is still truth. We now know conclusively that Biden got rich off of bribes from Ukraine and that Trump's phone call to Ukraine on the matter showed good stewardship of US taxpayer dollars.
Gore was stopped the same way Trump was stopped = by checks and balances. The system worked.
Democrats understand very clearly that the election isn't won until you take the oath of office. Challenging the results, to including using legal theories that have never before been tried, is not insurrection. It's liberty. You have the right to keep fighting until your opponent says "so help me God."
Hang it in the Louvre ๐ค๐ค https://t.co/sxWycDxkn9
— Jake Y. JD (@JakeUdub) August 10, 2023
I am never impressed by people who confuse extralegal to mean 'illegal'.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund names names about who denied his requests to bring in the National Guard leading up to January 6th:
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) August 11, 2023
SUND: "I was denied by Paul Irving, House Sergeant at Arms and also Mike Stinger, Senate Sergeant at Arms."
TUCKER: "Who do they workโฆ pic.twitter.com/rSUN6kHOUe
Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund:
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) August 11, 2023
January 6th "was handled differently...It's almost like they wanted it to be watered down..." pic.twitter.com/SclOv8iNVO
Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund:
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) August 11, 2023
"General Milley...was using...an intelligence platform...picking up intelligence talking about killing Members of Congress...and he's not telling me. He's telling select Members of Congress...! That's concerning as hell...There's a dutyโฆ pic.twitter.com/GI49OPGymM
๐จFormer Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund reveals to Tucker DC Police were STOPPED from assisting Secret Service as BLM rioters BURNED DOWN White House grounds with Trump inside:
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) August 11, 2023
"All charges were dropped... There were Secret Service agents bloodied and battered." pic.twitter.com/YZT0XqVsZ4
"That's Suspicious As Hell To Me"
— The Columbia Bugle ๐บ๐ธ (@ColumbiaBugle) August 11, 2023
Tucker Carlson Asks Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund For His Reaction To The Bizarre Behavior By Ray Epps On January 6th@TuckerCarlson: "I know that Epps is being encouraged by partisan Democrats to sue people who raise these questions,โฆ pic.twitter.com/22anxVBLA7
๐จFormer Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund when asked by Tucker if Feds were embedded within J6th crowd:
— Danny De Urbina (@dannydeurbina) August 11, 2023
"There always could be... That wouldn't be surprising." pic.twitter.com/7NEKYIRky0
BREAKING: Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund suggests to Tucker Carlson that General Milley and Acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller were involved in a coverup on January 6th.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) August 11, 2023
Well well wellโฆ
Sund reveals that military leaders were so worried about January 6th thatโฆ pic.twitter.com/ZR1zOTF430
๐จFormer Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund reveals Nancy Pelosi PROMOTED Capitol Police Assistant Chief for Intelligence and Security Yogananda Pittman DAY after January 6th, then given a high-paying job across from Pelosi's district
— Danny De Urbina (@dannydeurbina) August 11, 2023
TUCKER: "That looks like a reward to me...โฆ pic.twitter.com/OlKvYcFRnw
JoJo = TrumpJack Bauer said:Hang it in the Louvre ๐ค๐ค https://t.co/sxWycDxkn9
— Jake Y. JD (@JakeUdub) August 10, 2023
Merrick Garland has just handed the henhouse keys to the fox. Andrew Weiss has been named "Special Counsel" in the Hunter Biden investigation. What a sick joke this administration is. The only positive in all of this is that Merrick Garland is not and never will be on the Supreme Court.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
Whoa. This was not a re-count of one State with a 200 vote difference. Trump wanted Pence to throw out legally submitted State electors in favor of alternates that favored him. The two are not in the same galaxy!whiterock said:Let me say the inconvenient part cleary: it is not illegal to try to use legal procedures to overturn an election you know/suspect you actually lost. Gore literally did that in Florida in 2020. He kept counting Democrat counties only, knowing that the statistical certainty that any errors would fall in his favor might close the gap. And it would have if SCOTUS hadn't stepped in and stopped the re-counting (harvesting of ballot errors). Dems knew what they were doing.FLBear5630 said:Disagree with you on this one. He told his VP, in his chain of command, to accept alternate electors against legal counsel. Pence's Attorneys and White House Counsel said it was not legal. Yet, Trump and his surrogates pushed on at multiple levels after the election was over. That is beyond politics, that is downright coup area.whiterock said:exactly. Article describes completely lawful efforts to engage in politics and win an election, to include legal theory to support such.Oldbear83 said:
When you depend on the NY Times to sell your argument, you don't really have a good argument.
People file lawsuits all the time knowing full well they are not likely to win...... Sometimes the objective is legal. Sometimes it is political. Sometimes it is both. And losing does not one a criminal make.
He also had legal advice that it was a viable plan.... And Pence went along with it until the last minute.
Since with Trump we all have to believe that he is speaking metaphorically, I find it more likely he found the power of being US President more enticing than money and was willing to do ANYTHING to keep it. That to me is more probable than he was speaking metaphorically, playing master-level political strategy.
That is not even going into the Georgia "find me votes" comments and strong-arming.
Noting illegal about pointing out that a more thorough adjudication of mail-in votes would possibly/likely change the outcome. Remember, the margins were, statistically speaking, razor thin. Would have been very easy to find 12k questionable ballots worthy of disqualification. See Florida 2000 and hanging chads for how to execute the program.
The guy is a stupid, loose cannon and gets what he deserves. He is on tape saying "find me 11k votes". Same with the Ukraine impeachment quid pro quo in exchange for investigating Biden. The guy continued to break the law and rely on everyone to believe he is speaking metaphorically. Well, it bit him here. Because words matter and he is dead to rights when taking at the letter of what he says to overturn an election he knew he lost.
False dilemma. Speaking plain truth may be inconvenient, but it is still truth. We now know conclusively that Biden got rich off of bribes from Ukraine and that Trump's phone call to Ukraine on the matter showed good stewardship of US taxpayer dollars.
Gore was stopped the same way Trump was stopped = by checks and balances. The system worked.
Democrats understand very clearly that the election isn't won until you take the oath of office. Challenging the results, to including using legal theories that have never before been tried, is not insurrection. It's liberty. You have the right to keep fighting until your opponent says "so help me God."
Razor thin? Biden had over 300 electors! Trump needed to "find" votes in multiple state. This was not a Trump/Gore.
False dilemma? You can't just blurt out statements like fine me 11k votes OR investigate Joe Biden and you will receive aid! On tape. You can poo-poo it as a non-issue, but he set himself up for the impeachment and his comments are why he is going to be indicted in GA. He wonders why he is in Court!!! He is a stupid, loose cannon. You say it is OK to play politics and try anything to win an election and then get butt-hurt when Trump is tried for his own words!
Jo from Jersey is / was one of Twitter's mega bots. Am surprised Elon hasn't flushed her like a turd by now.Osodecentx said:JoJo = TrumpJack Bauer said:Hang it in the Louvre ๐ค๐ค https://t.co/sxWycDxkn9
— Jake Y. JD (@JakeUdub) August 10, 2023
I used to call it Jo Bot.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
Get professional help.Osodecentx said:JoJo = TrumpJack Bauer said:Hang it in the Louvre ๐ค๐ค https://t.co/sxWycDxkn9
— Jake Y. JD (@JakeUdub) August 10, 2023
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
It is illegal to use unlawful methods and means to overturn an election you know you lost. Trump knew he lost.whiterock said:Let me say the inconvenient part cleary: it is not illegal to try to use legal procedures to overturn an election you know/suspect you actually lost. Gore literally did that in Florida in 2020. He kept counting Democrat counties only, knowing that the statistical certainty that any errors would fall in his favor might close the gap. And it would have if SCOTUS hadn't stepped in and stopped the re-counting (harvesting of ballot errors). Dems knew what they were doing.FLBear5630 said:Disagree with you on this one. He told his VP, in his chain of command, to accept alternate electors against legal counsel. Pence's Attorneys and White House Counsel said it was not legal. Yet, Trump and his surrogates pushed on at multiple levels after the election was over. That is beyond politics, that is downright coup area.whiterock said:exactly. Article describes completely lawful efforts to engage in politics and win an election, to include legal theory to support such.Oldbear83 said:
When you depend on the NY Times to sell your argument, you don't really have a good argument.
People file lawsuits all the time knowing full well they are not likely to win...... Sometimes the objective is legal. Sometimes it is political. Sometimes it is both. And losing does not one a criminal make.
He also had legal advice that it was a viable plan.... And Pence went along with it until the last minute.
Since with Trump we all have to believe that he is speaking metaphorically, I find it more likely he found the power of being US President more enticing than money and was willing to do ANYTHING to keep it. That to me is more probable than he was speaking metaphorically, playing master-level political strategy.
That is not even going into the Georgia "find me votes" comments and strong-arming.
Noting illegal about pointing out that a more thorough adjudication of mail-in votes would possibly/likely change the outcome. Remember, the margins were, statistically speaking, razor thin. Would have been very easy to find 12k questionable ballots worthy of disqualification. See Florida 2000 and hanging chads for how to execute the program.
The guy is a stupid, loose cannon and gets what he deserves. He is on tape saying "find me 11k votes". Same with the Ukraine impeachment quid pro quo in exchange for investigating Biden. The guy continued to break the law and rely on everyone to believe he is speaking metaphorically. Well, it bit him here. Because words matter and he is dead to rights when taking at the letter of what he says to overturn an election he knew he lost.
False dilemma. Speaking plain truth may be inconvenient, but it is still truth. We now know conclusively that Biden got rich off of bribes from Ukraine and that Trump's phone call to Ukraine on the matter showed good stewardship of US taxpayer dollars.
Gore was stopped the same way Trump was stopped = by checks and balances. The system worked.
Democrats understand very clearly that the election isn't won until you take the oath of office. Challenging the results, to including using legal theories that have never before been tried, is not insurrection. It's liberty. You have the right to keep fighting until your opponent says "so help me God."
The indictment acknowledges that Trump had a First Amendment right to lie about the election and to file lawsuits challenging its results. It seeks to draw a clear line between those kinds of lawful efforts and the "unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results" that are the focus of the criminal case.
The indictment lays out five categories of actions that it identifies as the means by which Trump sought to subvert the election.
Prosecutors said that Trump and his co-conspirators devised a fraudulent slate of electors in seven states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Some of the fake electors, the indictment said, were "tricked" into participating in the scheme.
In order to prove corrupt intent, Mr. Smith signals that he will make the case to the jury that Trump was not delusional but knew that he had lost the election and his claims were false.
Prosecutors described a litany of people who countered Trump's false claims of election fraud, including the vice president, who said he saw no evidence of "outcome-determinative fraud"; senior Justice Department officials who said there was no evidence to support such allegations; and senior White House lawyers who also reiterated the baselessness of Mr. Trump's statements. State legislators and officials as well as the courts systematically rejected every one of his lawsuits.
You can find the indictment here:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/politics/trump-jan-6-indictment-2020-election-annotated.html
Ahh, that old lie.FLBear5630 said:You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
Sorry but that misses the ballpark, boyo.
I'm not voting for Trump, I just won't gang-rape him like you want to do.
That doesn't make me 'MAGA', but it says some sad things about you.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Are you confused by people that confuse right from wrong?Oldbear83 said:
I am never impressed by people who confuse extralegal to mean 'illegal'.
Come on, as much as you defend him. You gotta crush on old orange, don't ya? It's ok. Sometimes when you love someone they can do no wrong, even though you know they do...Oldbear83 said:Ahh, that old lie.FLBear5630 said:You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
Sorry but that misses the ballpark, boyo.
I'm not voting for Trump, I just won't gang-rape him like you want to do.
That doesn't make me 'MAGA', but it says some sad things about you.
The knuckle-dragging posts by the tribal binaries than cannot apply critical thinking gets exhausting. Not wanting to become a fascist-style banana republic is not related to one's love of Trump. Some things are more important than immature political opinions.Oldbear83 said:Ahh, that old lie.FLBear5630 said:You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
Sorry but that misses the ballpark, boyo.
I'm not voting for Trump, I just won't gang-rape him like you want to do.
That doesn't make me 'MAGA', but it says some sad things about you.
Yeah, allowing a candidate to substitute electors of his choosing after losing screams sophisticated Democracy! "No Banana Republic Here"...Harrison Bergeron said:The knuckle-dragging posts by the tribal binaries than cannot apply critical thinking gets exhausting. Not wanting to become a fascist-style banana republic is not related to one's love of Trump. Some things are more important than immature political opinions.Oldbear83 said:Ahh, that old lie.FLBear5630 said:You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
Sorry but that misses the ballpark, boyo.
I'm not voting for Trump, I just won't gang-rape him like you want to do.
That doesn't make me 'MAGA', but it says some sad things about you.
No, I don't have that problem, Sorry that you seem to, however.Guy Noir said:Are you confused by people that confuse right from wrong?Oldbear83 said:
I am never impressed by people who confuse extralegal to mean 'illegal'.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
I see you are still in denial.FLBear5630 said:Come on, as much as you defend him. You gotta crush on old orange, don't ya? It's ok. Sometimes when you love someone they can do no wrong, even though you know they do...Oldbear83 said:Ahh, that old lie.FLBear5630 said:You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
Sorry but that misses the ballpark, boyo.
I'm not voting for Trump, I just won't gang-rape him like you want to do.
That doesn't make me 'MAGA', but it says some sad things about you.
Lying about me is your way of pretending you have done nothing wrong.
Please tell me Biden sent you a check for your posts, I'd hate to think you crap on the US for free.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
You call someone Bagdad Bob and then get upset when they bust on you back? Consistent,,,Oldbear83 said:I see you are still in denial.FLBear5630 said:Come on, as much as you defend him. You gotta crush on old orange, don't ya? It's ok. Sometimes when you love someone they can do no wrong, even though you know they do...Oldbear83 said:Ahh, that old lie.FLBear5630 said:You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
Sorry but that misses the ballpark, boyo.
I'm not voting for Trump, I just won't gang-rape him like you want to do.
That doesn't make me 'MAGA', but it says some sad things about you.
Lying about me is your way of pretending you have done nothing wrong.
Please tell me Biden sent you a check for your posts, I'd hate to think you crap on the US for free.
Since I don't lie, and you have, yes I would say I am being consistent and you are being ... Bob.FLBear5630 said:You call someone Bagdad Bob and then get upset when they bust on you back? Consistent,,,Oldbear83 said:I see you are still in denial.FLBear5630 said:Come on, as much as you defend him. You gotta crush on old orange, don't ya? It's ok. Sometimes when you love someone they can do no wrong, even though you know they do...Oldbear83 said:Ahh, that old lie.FLBear5630 said:You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
Sorry but that misses the ballpark, boyo.
I'm not voting for Trump, I just won't gang-rape him like you want to do.
That doesn't make me 'MAGA', but it says some sad things about you.
Lying about me is your way of pretending you have done nothing wrong.
Please tell me Biden sent you a check for your posts, I'd hate to think you crap on the US for free.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
no canidate chose the electors and no canidate could substitute them.. your post is confusing to those that understand the process.FLBear5630 said:Yeah, allowing a candidate to substitute electors of his choosing after losing screams sophisticated Democracy! "No Banana Republic Here"...Harrison Bergeron said:The knuckle-dragging posts by the tribal binaries than cannot apply critical thinking gets exhausting. Not wanting to become a fascist-style banana republic is not related to one's love of Trump. Some things are more important than immature political opinions.Oldbear83 said:Ahh, that old lie.FLBear5630 said:You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
Sorry but that misses the ballpark, boyo.
I'm not voting for Trump, I just won't gang-rape him like you want to do.
That doesn't make me 'MAGA', but it says some sad things about you.
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FLBear5630 said:Yeah, allowing a candidate to substitute electors of his choosing after losing screams sophisticated Democracy! "No Banana Republic Here"...Harrison Bergeron said:The knuckle-dragging posts by the tribal binaries than cannot apply critical thinking gets exhausting. Not wanting to become a fascist-style banana republic is not related to one's love of Trump. Some things are more important than immature political opinions.Oldbear83 said:Ahh, that old lie.FLBear5630 said:You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
Sorry but that misses the ballpark, boyo.
I'm not voting for Trump, I just won't gang-rape him like you want to do.
That doesn't make me 'MAGA', but it says some sad things about you.
i would ask you if you would have arrested Stacey Abrams but your too chicken **** to answer.
whiterock said:Let me say the inconvenient part cleary: it is not illegal to try to use legal procedures to overturn an election you know/suspect you actually lost. Gore literally did that in Florida in 2020. He kept counting Democrat counties only, knowing that the statistical certainty that any errors would fall in his favor might close the gap. And it would have if SCOTUS hadn't stepped in and stopped the re-counting (harvesting of ballot errors). Dems knew what they were doing.FLBear5630 said:Disagree with you on this one. He told his VP, in his chain of command, to accept alternate electors against legal counsel. Pence's Attorneys and White House Counsel said it was not legal. Yet, Trump and his surrogates pushed on at multiple levels after the election was over. That is beyond politics, that is downright coup area.whiterock said:exactly. Article describes completely lawful efforts to engage in politics and win an election, to include legal theory to support such.Oldbear83 said:
When you depend on the NY Times to sell your argument, you don't really have a good argument.
People file lawsuits all the time knowing full well they are not likely to win...... Sometimes the objective is legal. Sometimes it is political. Sometimes it is both. And losing does not one a criminal make.
He also had legal advice that it was a viable plan.... And Pence went along with it until the last minute.
Since with Trump we all have to believe that he is speaking metaphorically, I find it more likely he found the power of being US President more enticing than money and was willing to do ANYTHING to keep it. That to me is more probable than he was speaking metaphorically, playing master-level political strategy.
That is not even going into the Georgia "find me votes" comments and strong-arming.
Noting illegal about pointing out that a more thorough adjudication of mail-in votes would possibly/likely change the outcome. Remember, the margins were, statistically speaking, razor thin. Would have been very easy to find 12k questionable ballots worthy of disqualification. See Florida 2000 and hanging chads for how to execute the program.
The guy is a stupid, loose cannon and gets what he deserves. He is on tape saying "find me 11k votes". Same with the Ukraine impeachment quid pro quo in exchange for investigating Biden. The guy continued to break the law and rely on everyone to believe he is speaking metaphorically. Well, it bit him here. Because words matter and he is dead to rights when taking at the letter of what he says to overturn an election he knew he lost.
False dilemma. Speaking plain truth may be inconvenient, but it is still truth. We now know conclusively that Biden got rich off of bribes from Ukraine and that Trump's phone call to Ukraine on the matter showed good stewardship of US taxpayer dollars.
Gore was stopped the same way Trump was stopped = by checks and balances. The system worked.
Democrats understand very clearly that the election isn't won until you take the oath of office. Challenging the results, to including using legal theories that have never before been tried, is not insurrection. It's liberty. You have the right to keep fighting until your opponent says "so help me God."
Your comparison of Trump's conduct to Gore's conduct is quite charitable to say the least. Trump didn't have any sound legal advice that Pence could do what he urged Pence to do, and he was well aware of that. All of the stories commenting on what Eastman told Trump have reported that Eastman was extremely non-committal on the legality of his hare-brained theory and even told Trump two days before Jan. 6th that his legal theory was a violation of federal statute and illegal. And of course the evidence also shows that other lawyers told Trump Eastman's theory was completely asinine and had no sound legal basis.
Now was that the crime that Jack Smith says it was? Absolutely not. Any lawyer with knowledge of the statutes Smith is attempting to use to prosecute Trump realizes he's trying to fit a very big square peg through a tiny round hole. There's no precedent whatsoever for Smith's equally hare-brained legal theories.
But Trump's conduct is a tad bit different than using legal procedures in our courts to try and overturn an election. Thus, the comparison of his conduct to Gore's is apples to bowling balls.
FLBear5630 said:You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
Lots of truth hereโฆ
Oldbear83 said:I see you are still in denial.FLBear5630 said:Come on, as much as you defend him. You gotta crush on old orange, don't ya? It's ok. Sometimes when you love someone they can do no wrong, even though you know they do...Oldbear83 said:Ahh, that old lie.FLBear5630 said:You are still here too! We get along great as long as we agree with everything you say! If not, out come the names. So much like your MAGA Master...Oldbear83 said:
Nice to see Baghdad Bob still has an audience ...
Sorry but that misses the ballpark, boyo.
I'm not voting for Trump, I just won't gang-rape him like you want to do.
That doesn't make me 'MAGA', but it says some sad things about you.
Lying about me is your way of pretending you have done nothing wrong.
Please tell me Biden sent you a check for your posts, I'd hate to think you crap on the US for free.
He offered an opinion of your often times snarky, condescending and boorish behavior when you disagree with another poster. You may not agree with his opinion, but to call him a liar because he holds that opinion demonstrates pretty clearly that a) you have no clue what a lie actually is, and b) you might have the biggest blind spot of any poster on this board.
a 2500 vote difference in FL vs a 11k vote difference in GA. (and comparable margins in other states). That is not a different universe. In FL 2000, there were two slates of FL electors standing ready to go until SCOTUS issued its final ruling WEEKS after the general election concluded. Highly analogous. and nobody alleged insurrection then.FLBear5630 said:Whoa. This was not a re-count of one State with a 200 vote difference. Trump wanted Pence to throw out legally submitted State electors in favor of alternates that favored him. The two are not in the same galaxy!whiterock said:Let me say the inconvenient part cleary: it is not illegal to try to use legal procedures to overturn an election you know/suspect you actually lost. Gore literally did that in Florida in 2020. He kept counting Democrat counties only, knowing that the statistical certainty that any errors would fall in his favor might close the gap. And it would have if SCOTUS hadn't stepped in and stopped the re-counting (harvesting of ballot errors). Dems knew what they were doing.FLBear5630 said:Disagree with you on this one. He told his VP, in his chain of command, to accept alternate electors against legal counsel. Pence's Attorneys and White House Counsel said it was not legal. Yet, Trump and his surrogates pushed on at multiple levels after the election was over. That is beyond politics, that is downright coup area.whiterock said:exactly. Article describes completely lawful efforts to engage in politics and win an election, to include legal theory to support such.Oldbear83 said:
When you depend on the NY Times to sell your argument, you don't really have a good argument.
People file lawsuits all the time knowing full well they are not likely to win...... Sometimes the objective is legal. Sometimes it is political. Sometimes it is both. And losing does not one a criminal make.
He also had legal advice that it was a viable plan.... And Pence went along with it until the last minute.
Since with Trump we all have to believe that he is speaking metaphorically, I find it more likely he found the power of being US President more enticing than money and was willing to do ANYTHING to keep it. That to me is more probable than he was speaking metaphorically, playing master-level political strategy.
That is not even going into the Georgia "find me votes" comments and strong-arming.
Noting illegal about pointing out that a more thorough adjudication of mail-in votes would possibly/likely change the outcome. Remember, the margins were, statistically speaking, razor thin. Would have been very easy to find 12k questionable ballots worthy of disqualification. See Florida 2000 and hanging chads for how to execute the program.
The guy is a stupid, loose cannon and gets what he deserves. He is on tape saying "find me 11k votes". Same with the Ukraine impeachment quid pro quo in exchange for investigating Biden. The guy continued to break the law and rely on everyone to believe he is speaking metaphorically. Well, it bit him here. Because words matter and he is dead to rights when taking at the letter of what he says to overturn an election he knew he lost.
False dilemma. Speaking plain truth may be inconvenient, but it is still truth. We now know conclusively that Biden got rich off of bribes from Ukraine and that Trump's phone call to Ukraine on the matter showed good stewardship of US taxpayer dollars.
Gore was stopped the same way Trump was stopped = by checks and balances. The system worked.
Democrats understand very clearly that the election isn't won until you take the oath of office. Challenging the results, to including using legal theories that have never before been tried, is not insurrection. It's liberty. You have the right to keep fighting until your opponent says "so help me God."
Razor thin? Biden had over 300 electors! Trump needed to "find" votes in multiple state. This was not a Trump/Gore.
False dilemma? You can't just blurt out statements like fine me 11k votes OR investigate Joe Biden and you will receive aid! On tape. You can poo-poo it as a non-issue, but he set himself up for the impeachment and his comments are why he is going to be indicted in GA. He wonders why he is in Court!!! He is a stupid, loose cannon. You say it is OK to play politics and try anything to win an election and then get butt-hurt when Trump is tried for his own words!
There is law for process on post-election certification (or not) of every elected official. In close elections, the losing party attempts to stop certification, and/or to reverse certification. Nothing remarkable about any of that. Happens every election. What's unique about electors is that there actually are TWO sets of electors elected on the ballot. So it's not like Trump conjured this all up (which is what Dems are trying to portray). He was contesting the election results the way election results are contested. Democrats just didn't like it, and were highly defensive because they had much to be defensive about.
A thorough recounting of GA mail-in votes from Fulton Co (a selective recount ala what Gore demanded in 2000) would have reversed the results of the GA election.....a near mathematical certainty. Throwing out ballots with obvious errors would have had the effect of removing Biden votes at a rate exceeding 4-1. But Ga officials refused to do it. Trump was right to be livid with anger.
Dude. You are not thinking clearly on this point.....
Fulton conducted hand and machine recounts. And 3 GOP-led audits.whiterock said:a 2500 vote difference in FL vs a 11k vote difference in GA. (and comparable margins in other states). That is not a different universe. In FL 2000, there were two slates of FL electors standing ready to go until SCOTUS issued its final ruling WEEKS after the general election concluded. Highly analogous. and nobody alleged insurrection then.FLBear5630 said:Whoa. This was not a re-count of one State with a 200 vote difference. Trump wanted Pence to throw out legally submitted State electors in favor of alternates that favored him. The two are not in the same galaxy!whiterock said:Let me say the inconvenient part cleary: it is not illegal to try to use legal procedures to overturn an election you know/suspect you actually lost. Gore literally did that in Florida in 2020. He kept counting Democrat counties only, knowing that the statistical certainty that any errors would fall in his favor might close the gap. And it would have if SCOTUS hadn't stepped in and stopped the re-counting (harvesting of ballot errors). Dems knew what they were doing.FLBear5630 said:Disagree with you on this one. He told his VP, in his chain of command, to accept alternate electors against legal counsel. Pence's Attorneys and White House Counsel said it was not legal. Yet, Trump and his surrogates pushed on at multiple levels after the election was over. That is beyond politics, that is downright coup area.whiterock said:exactly. Article describes completely lawful efforts to engage in politics and win an election, to include legal theory to support such.Oldbear83 said:
When you depend on the NY Times to sell your argument, you don't really have a good argument.
People file lawsuits all the time knowing full well they are not likely to win...... Sometimes the objective is legal. Sometimes it is political. Sometimes it is both. And losing does not one a criminal make.
He also had legal advice that it was a viable plan.... And Pence went along with it until the last minute.
Since with Trump we all have to believe that he is speaking metaphorically, I find it more likely he found the power of being US President more enticing than money and was willing to do ANYTHING to keep it. That to me is more probable than he was speaking metaphorically, playing master-level political strategy.
That is not even going into the Georgia "find me votes" comments and strong-arming.
Noting illegal about pointing out that a more thorough adjudication of mail-in votes would possibly/likely change the outcome. Remember, the margins were, statistically speaking, razor thin. Would have been very easy to find 12k questionable ballots worthy of disqualification. See Florida 2000 and hanging chads for how to execute the program.
The guy is a stupid, loose cannon and gets what he deserves. He is on tape saying "find me 11k votes". Same with the Ukraine impeachment quid pro quo in exchange for investigating Biden. The guy continued to break the law and rely on everyone to believe he is speaking metaphorically. Well, it bit him here. Because words matter and he is dead to rights when taking at the letter of what he says to overturn an election he knew he lost.
False dilemma. Speaking plain truth may be inconvenient, but it is still truth. We now know conclusively that Biden got rich off of bribes from Ukraine and that Trump's phone call to Ukraine on the matter showed good stewardship of US taxpayer dollars.
Gore was stopped the same way Trump was stopped = by checks and balances. The system worked.
Democrats understand very clearly that the election isn't won until you take the oath of office. Challenging the results, to including using legal theories that have never before been tried, is not insurrection. It's liberty. You have the right to keep fighting until your opponent says "so help me God."
Razor thin? Biden had over 300 electors! Trump needed to "find" votes in multiple state. This was not a Trump/Gore.
False dilemma? You can't just blurt out statements like fine me 11k votes OR investigate Joe Biden and you will receive aid! On tape. You can poo-poo it as a non-issue, but he set himself up for the impeachment and his comments are why he is going to be indicted in GA. He wonders why he is in Court!!! He is a stupid, loose cannon. You say it is OK to play politics and try anything to win an election and then get butt-hurt when Trump is tried for his own words!
There is law for process on post-election certification (or not) of every elected official. In close elections, the losing party attempts to stop certification, and/or to reverse certification. Nothing remarkable about any of that. Happens every election. What's unique about electors is that there actually are TWO sets of electors elected on the ballot. So it's not like Trump conjured this all up (which is what Dems are trying to portray). He was contesting the election results the way election results are contested. Democrats just didn't like it, and were highly defensive because they had much to be defensive about.
A thorough recounting of GA mail-in votes from Fulton Co (a selective recount ala what Gore demanded in 2000) would have reversed the results of the GA election.....a near mathematical certainty. Throwing out ballots with obvious errors would have had the effect of removing Biden votes at a rate exceeding 4-1. But Ga officials refused to do it. Trump was right to be livid with anger.
Dude. You are not thinking clearly on this point.....
They did not look at signatures on mail in ballots......sombear said:Fulton conducted hand and machine recounts.whiterock said:a 2500 vote difference in FL vs a 11k vote difference in GA. (and comparable margins in other states). That is not a different universe. In FL 2000, there were two slates of FL electors standing ready to go until SCOTUS issued its final ruling WEEKS after the general election concluded. Highly analogous. and nobody alleged insurrection then.FLBear5630 said:Whoa. This was not a re-count of one State with a 200 vote difference. Trump wanted Pence to throw out legally submitted State electors in favor of alternates that favored him. The two are not in the same galaxy!whiterock said:Let me say the inconvenient part cleary: it is not illegal to try to use legal procedures to overturn an election you know/suspect you actually lost. Gore literally did that in Florida in 2020. He kept counting Democrat counties only, knowing that the statistical certainty that any errors would fall in his favor might close the gap. And it would have if SCOTUS hadn't stepped in and stopped the re-counting (harvesting of ballot errors). Dems knew what they were doing.FLBear5630 said:Disagree with you on this one. He told his VP, in his chain of command, to accept alternate electors against legal counsel. Pence's Attorneys and White House Counsel said it was not legal. Yet, Trump and his surrogates pushed on at multiple levels after the election was over. That is beyond politics, that is downright coup area.whiterock said:exactly. Article describes completely lawful efforts to engage in politics and win an election, to include legal theory to support such.Oldbear83 said:
When you depend on the NY Times to sell your argument, you don't really have a good argument.
People file lawsuits all the time knowing full well they are not likely to win...... Sometimes the objective is legal. Sometimes it is political. Sometimes it is both. And losing does not one a criminal make.
He also had legal advice that it was a viable plan.... And Pence went along with it until the last minute.
Since with Trump we all have to believe that he is speaking metaphorically, I find it more likely he found the power of being US President more enticing than money and was willing to do ANYTHING to keep it. That to me is more probable than he was speaking metaphorically, playing master-level political strategy.
That is not even going into the Georgia "find me votes" comments and strong-arming.
Noting illegal about pointing out that a more thorough adjudication of mail-in votes would possibly/likely change the outcome. Remember, the margins were, statistically speaking, razor thin. Would have been very easy to find 12k questionable ballots worthy of disqualification. See Florida 2000 and hanging chads for how to execute the program.
The guy is a stupid, loose cannon and gets what he deserves. He is on tape saying "find me 11k votes". Same with the Ukraine impeachment quid pro quo in exchange for investigating Biden. The guy continued to break the law and rely on everyone to believe he is speaking metaphorically. Well, it bit him here. Because words matter and he is dead to rights when taking at the letter of what he says to overturn an election he knew he lost.
False dilemma. Speaking plain truth may be inconvenient, but it is still truth. We now know conclusively that Biden got rich off of bribes from Ukraine and that Trump's phone call to Ukraine on the matter showed good stewardship of US taxpayer dollars.
Gore was stopped the same way Trump was stopped = by checks and balances. The system worked.
Democrats understand very clearly that the election isn't won until you take the oath of office. Challenging the results, to including using legal theories that have never before been tried, is not insurrection. It's liberty. You have the right to keep fighting until your opponent says "so help me God."
Razor thin? Biden had over 300 electors! Trump needed to "find" votes in multiple state. This was not a Trump/Gore.
False dilemma? You can't just blurt out statements like fine me 11k votes OR investigate Joe Biden and you will receive aid! On tape. You can poo-poo it as a non-issue, but he set himself up for the impeachment and his comments are why he is going to be indicted in GA. He wonders why he is in Court!!! He is a stupid, loose cannon. You say it is OK to play politics and try anything to win an election and then get butt-hurt when Trump is tried for his own words!
There is law for process on post-election certification (or not) of every elected official. In close elections, the losing party attempts to stop certification, and/or to reverse certification. Nothing remarkable about any of that. Happens every election. What's unique about electors is that there actually are TWO sets of electors elected on the ballot. So it's not like Trump conjured this all up (which is what Dems are trying to portray). He was contesting the election results the way election results are contested. Democrats just didn't like it, and were highly defensive because they had much to be defensive about.
A thorough recounting of GA mail-in votes from Fulton Co (a selective recount ala what Gore demanded in 2000) would have reversed the results of the GA election.....a near mathematical certainty. Throwing out ballots with obvious errors would have had the effect of removing Biden votes at a rate exceeding 4-1. But Ga officials refused to do it. Trump was right to be livid with anger.
Dude. You are not thinking clearly on this point.....
The GOP-led audits did, and they did not find a single discrepancywhiterock said:They did not look at signatures on mail in ballots......sombear said:Fulton conducted hand and machine recounts.whiterock said:a 2500 vote difference in FL vs a 11k vote difference in GA. (and comparable margins in other states). That is not a different universe. In FL 2000, there were two slates of FL electors standing ready to go until SCOTUS issued its final ruling WEEKS after the general election concluded. Highly analogous. and nobody alleged insurrection then.FLBear5630 said:Whoa. This was not a re-count of one State with a 200 vote difference. Trump wanted Pence to throw out legally submitted State electors in favor of alternates that favored him. The two are not in the same galaxy!whiterock said:Let me say the inconvenient part cleary: it is not illegal to try to use legal procedures to overturn an election you know/suspect you actually lost. Gore literally did that in Florida in 2020. He kept counting Democrat counties only, knowing that the statistical certainty that any errors would fall in his favor might close the gap. And it would have if SCOTUS hadn't stepped in and stopped the re-counting (harvesting of ballot errors). Dems knew what they were doing.FLBear5630 said:Disagree with you on this one. He told his VP, in his chain of command, to accept alternate electors against legal counsel. Pence's Attorneys and White House Counsel said it was not legal. Yet, Trump and his surrogates pushed on at multiple levels after the election was over. That is beyond politics, that is downright coup area.whiterock said:exactly. Article describes completely lawful efforts to engage in politics and win an election, to include legal theory to support such.Oldbear83 said:
When you depend on the NY Times to sell your argument, you don't really have a good argument.
People file lawsuits all the time knowing full well they are not likely to win...... Sometimes the objective is legal. Sometimes it is political. Sometimes it is both. And losing does not one a criminal make.
He also had legal advice that it was a viable plan.... And Pence went along with it until the last minute.
Since with Trump we all have to believe that he is speaking metaphorically, I find it more likely he found the power of being US President more enticing than money and was willing to do ANYTHING to keep it. That to me is more probable than he was speaking metaphorically, playing master-level political strategy.
That is not even going into the Georgia "find me votes" comments and strong-arming.
Noting illegal about pointing out that a more thorough adjudication of mail-in votes would possibly/likely change the outcome. Remember, the margins were, statistically speaking, razor thin. Would have been very easy to find 12k questionable ballots worthy of disqualification. See Florida 2000 and hanging chads for how to execute the program.
The guy is a stupid, loose cannon and gets what he deserves. He is on tape saying "find me 11k votes". Same with the Ukraine impeachment quid pro quo in exchange for investigating Biden. The guy continued to break the law and rely on everyone to believe he is speaking metaphorically. Well, it bit him here. Because words matter and he is dead to rights when taking at the letter of what he says to overturn an election he knew he lost.
False dilemma. Speaking plain truth may be inconvenient, but it is still truth. We now know conclusively that Biden got rich off of bribes from Ukraine and that Trump's phone call to Ukraine on the matter showed good stewardship of US taxpayer dollars.
Gore was stopped the same way Trump was stopped = by checks and balances. The system worked.
Democrats understand very clearly that the election isn't won until you take the oath of office. Challenging the results, to including using legal theories that have never before been tried, is not insurrection. It's liberty. You have the right to keep fighting until your opponent says "so help me God."
Razor thin? Biden had over 300 electors! Trump needed to "find" votes in multiple state. This was not a Trump/Gore.
False dilemma? You can't just blurt out statements like fine me 11k votes OR investigate Joe Biden and you will receive aid! On tape. You can poo-poo it as a non-issue, but he set himself up for the impeachment and his comments are why he is going to be indicted in GA. He wonders why he is in Court!!! He is a stupid, loose cannon. You say it is OK to play politics and try anything to win an election and then get butt-hurt when Trump is tried for his own words!
There is law for process on post-election certification (or not) of every elected official. In close elections, the losing party attempts to stop certification, and/or to reverse certification. Nothing remarkable about any of that. Happens every election. What's unique about electors is that there actually are TWO sets of electors elected on the ballot. So it's not like Trump conjured this all up (which is what Dems are trying to portray). He was contesting the election results the way election results are contested. Democrats just didn't like it, and were highly defensive because they had much to be defensive about.
A thorough recounting of GA mail-in votes from Fulton Co (a selective recount ala what Gore demanded in 2000) would have reversed the results of the GA election.....a near mathematical certainty. Throwing out ballots with obvious errors would have had the effect of removing Biden votes at a rate exceeding 4-1. But Ga officials refused to do it. Trump was right to be livid with anger.
Dude. You are not thinking clearly on this point.....
You are not thinking clearly, which surprises me since you usually get the big picture. For some reason on Trump issues you have tunnel vision looking at each situation in a vacuum.whiterock said:a 2500 vote difference in FL vs a 11k vote difference in GA. (and comparable margins in other states). That is not a different universe. In FL 2000, there were two slates of FL electors standing ready to go until SCOTUS issued its final ruling WEEKS after the general election concluded. Highly analogous. and nobody alleged insurrection then.FLBear5630 said:Whoa. This was not a re-count of one State with a 200 vote difference. Trump wanted Pence to throw out legally submitted State electors in favor of alternates that favored him. The two are not in the same galaxy!whiterock said:Let me say the inconvenient part cleary: it is not illegal to try to use legal procedures to overturn an election you know/suspect you actually lost. Gore literally did that in Florida in 2020. He kept counting Democrat counties only, knowing that the statistical certainty that any errors would fall in his favor might close the gap. And it would have if SCOTUS hadn't stepped in and stopped the re-counting (harvesting of ballot errors). Dems knew what they were doing.FLBear5630 said:Disagree with you on this one. He told his VP, in his chain of command, to accept alternate electors against legal counsel. Pence's Attorneys and White House Counsel said it was not legal. Yet, Trump and his surrogates pushed on at multiple levels after the election was over. That is beyond politics, that is downright coup area.whiterock said:exactly. Article describes completely lawful efforts to engage in politics and win an election, to include legal theory to support such.Oldbear83 said:
When you depend on the NY Times to sell your argument, you don't really have a good argument.
People file lawsuits all the time knowing full well they are not likely to win...... Sometimes the objective is legal. Sometimes it is political. Sometimes it is both. And losing does not one a criminal make.
He also had legal advice that it was a viable plan.... And Pence went along with it until the last minute.
Since with Trump we all have to believe that he is speaking metaphorically, I find it more likely he found the power of being US President more enticing than money and was willing to do ANYTHING to keep it. That to me is more probable than he was speaking metaphorically, playing master-level political strategy.
That is not even going into the Georgia "find me votes" comments and strong-arming.
Noting illegal about pointing out that a more thorough adjudication of mail-in votes would possibly/likely change the outcome. Remember, the margins were, statistically speaking, razor thin. Would have been very easy to find 12k questionable ballots worthy of disqualification. See Florida 2000 and hanging chads for how to execute the program.
The guy is a stupid, loose cannon and gets what he deserves. He is on tape saying "find me 11k votes". Same with the Ukraine impeachment quid pro quo in exchange for investigating Biden. The guy continued to break the law and rely on everyone to believe he is speaking metaphorically. Well, it bit him here. Because words matter and he is dead to rights when taking at the letter of what he says to overturn an election he knew he lost.
False dilemma. Speaking plain truth may be inconvenient, but it is still truth. We now know conclusively that Biden got rich off of bribes from Ukraine and that Trump's phone call to Ukraine on the matter showed good stewardship of US taxpayer dollars.
Gore was stopped the same way Trump was stopped = by checks and balances. The system worked.
Democrats understand very clearly that the election isn't won until you take the oath of office. Challenging the results, to including using legal theories that have never before been tried, is not insurrection. It's liberty. You have the right to keep fighting until your opponent says "so help me God."
Razor thin? Biden had over 300 electors! Trump needed to "find" votes in multiple state. This was not a Trump/Gore.
False dilemma? You can't just blurt out statements like fine me 11k votes OR investigate Joe Biden and you will receive aid! On tape. You can poo-poo it as a non-issue, but he set himself up for the impeachment and his comments are why he is going to be indicted in GA. He wonders why he is in Court!!! He is a stupid, loose cannon. You say it is OK to play politics and try anything to win an election and then get butt-hurt when Trump is tried for his own words!
There is law for process on post-election certification (or not) of every elected official. In close elections, the losing party attempts to stop certification, and/or to reverse certification. Nothing remarkable about any of that. Happens every election. What's unique about electors is that there actually are TWO sets of electors elected on the ballot. So it's not like Trump conjured this all up (which is what Dems are trying to portray). He was contesting the election results the way election results are contested. Democrats just didn't like it, and were highly defensive because they had much to be defensive about.
A thorough recounting of GA mail-in votes from Fulton Co (a selective recount ala what Gore demanded in 2000) would have reversed the results of the GA election.....a near mathematical certainty. Throwing out ballots with obvious errors would have had the effect of removing Biden votes at a rate exceeding 4-1. But Ga officials refused to do it. Trump was right to be livid with anger.
Dude. You are not thinking clearly on this point.....
Trump lost the election handily. he had to make up over 70 electors! He had NO CHANCE to find the number of votes he needed in multiple States, in multiple courts to overturn the election. He was done. We are talking up to 6 States, all only having errors in his favor AND getting them all done in the time from Nov 2020 to Jan 2020 (The biggest issue, if inauguration was in March, maybe).
To top it off, his "clown team of attorneys" were in Court bringing the wrong cases after being told by their own DOJ that there was no evidence of fraud. wasting the little time he had. He was done. If he would have listened to Barr and went after States following their adopted procedures, he may have had a chance. But, Donald's character flaws of not liking people once again overrode his brain. He listened to Sydney Powell, Giuliani and Eastman rather than his own DOJ because the told him what he wanted to hear.
What he should have done was campaigned in GA to save the Senate. But once again, Trump showed no situational awareness, no understanding of how the system worked AND he didn't care, TWICE! It is all about Donald. He is the blame for the mess we have with Biden, he gave the Dems the Senate. He put Shumer in charge.
Yours and many on here look at this in a vacuum, you can't separate what needed to be done from the time they had and WHO was calling the shots. Trump was toast....