Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Guy Noir said:

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For those that still support Donald Trump, I quote Mike Penske, "Read the Constitution."

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I cannot get past the First Amendment. The DOJ cannot get that far.

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I suggest you read all of the Constitution.

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Did. The charges remain malicious and unconstitutional/

Sucks for you, but meh ...

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So if a person walks into a bank and asks for all the money then they should not be charged with bank robbery because it is their first amendment right to say such a thing? That is just plain silly.

Trump asked Mike Pense to overturn the election results. He is guilty of attempting to defraud the citizens of the USA. That's the kind of things dictators do to stay in power.

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um.. no. My bank robbing dude would not be charged with defrauding the bank. He would be charged with attempted bank robbery.

Trump is guilty of alot of things, not defrauding the citizens of the United States on Jan 6..

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Guy Noir said:

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For those that still support Donald Trump, I quote Mike Penske, "Read the Constitution."

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I cannot get past the First Amendment. The DOJ cannot get that far.

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I suggest you read all of the Constitution.

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Did. The charges remain malicious and unconstitutional/

Sucks for you, but meh ...

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So if a person walks into a bank and asks for all the money then they should not be charged with bank robbery because it is their first amendment right to say such a thing? That is just plain silly.

Trump asked Mike Pense to overturn the election results. He is guilty of attempting to defraud the citizens of the USA. That's the kind of things dictators do to stay in power.

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um.. no. My bank robbing dude would not be charged with defrauding the bank. He would be charged with attempted bank robbery.

Trump is guilty of alot of things, not defrauding the citizens of the United States on Jan 6..

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He did not defraud the citizens of the USA. He attempted to get Mike Pense to do so.

Guy Noir said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Guy Noir said:

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For those that still support Donald Trump, I quote Mike Penske, "Read the Constitution."

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I cannot get past the First Amendment. The DOJ cannot get that far.

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I suggest you read all of the Constitution.

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Did. The charges remain malicious and unconstitutional/

Sucks for you, but meh ...

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So if a person walks into a bank and asks for all the money then they should not be charged with bank robbery because it is their first amendment right to say such a thing? That is just plain silly.

Trump asked Mike Pense to overturn the election results. He is guilty of attempting to defraud the citizens of the USA. That's the kind of things dictators do to stay in power.

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um.. no. My bank robbing dude would not be charged with defrauding the bank. He would be charged with attempted bank robbery.

Trump is guilty of alot of things, not defrauding the citizens of the United States on Jan 6..

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He did not defraud the citizens of the USA. He attempted to get Mike Pense to do so.

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The indictment is not an attempt to defraud.

Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

Show me you know nothing of the facts without admitting you know nothing of the facts.

Doc Holliday said:

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Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

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What do you mean? Do you imply that there will be rioting in the streets? Do you imply that henceforth all Presidents will be put in jail?

Trump crossed a line on Jan 6 by conspiring to overturn the election. If he is found guilty he should do the time.

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Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

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Do you understand the ramifications of what he tried to do when he lost? He wanted the VP to cherry pick electors to give him a victory, while inciting a mob outside of Congress. That is ok??

Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Guy Noir said:

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For those that still support Donald Trump, I quote Mike Penske, "Read the Constitution."

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I cannot get past the First Amendment. The DOJ cannot get that far.

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I suggest you read all of the Constitution.

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Did. The charges remain malicious and unconstitutional/

Sucks for you, but meh ...

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So if a person walks into a bank and asks for all the money then they should not be charged with bank robbery because it is their first amendment right to say such a thing? That is just plain silly.

Trump asked Mike Pense to overturn the election results. He is guilty of attempting to defraud the citizens of the USA. That's the kind of things dictators do to stay in power.

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um.. no. My bank robbing dude would not be charged with defrauding the bank. He would be charged with attempted bank robbery.

Trump is guilty of alot of things, not defrauding the citizens of the United States on Jan 6..

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He did not defraud the citizens of the USA. He attempted to get Mike Pense to do so.

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nope

4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Guy Noir said:

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For those that still support Donald Trump, I quote Mike Penske, "Read the Constitution."

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I cannot get past the First Amendment. The DOJ cannot get that far.

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I suggest you read all of the Constitution.

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Did. The charges remain malicious and unconstitutional/

Sucks for you, but meh ...

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So if a person walks into a bank and asks for all the money then they should not be charged with bank robbery because it is their first amendment right to say such a thing? That is just plain silly.

Trump asked Mike Pense to overturn the election results. He is guilty of attempting to defraud the citizens of the USA. That's the kind of things dictators do to stay in power.

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um.. no. My bank robbing dude would not be charged with defrauding the bank. He would be charged with attempted bank robbery.

Trump is guilty of alot of things, not defrauding the citizens of the United States on Jan 6..

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He did not defraud the citizens of the USA. He attempted to get Mike Pense to do so.

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nope

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He most certainly did. Why did Mike Pense all of a sudden become persona non grata in the Trump administration on Jan 6. It was because he refused to throw out certified election results.

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Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

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What?

Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Guy Noir said:

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For those that still support Donald Trump, I quote Mike Penske, "Read the Constitution."

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I cannot get past the First Amendment. The DOJ cannot get that far.

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I suggest you read all of the Constitution.

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Did. The charges remain malicious and unconstitutional/

Sucks for you, but meh ...

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So if a person walks into a bank and asks for all the money then they should not be charged with bank robbery because it is their first amendment right to say such a thing? That is just plain silly.

Trump asked Mike Pense to overturn the election results. He is guilty of attempting to defraud the citizens of the USA. That's the kind of things dictators do to stay in power.

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um.. no. My bank robbing dude would not be charged with defrauding the bank. He would be charged with attempted bank robbery.

Trump is guilty of alot of things, not defrauding the citizens of the United States on Jan 6..

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He did not defraud the citizens of the USA. He attempted to get Mike Pense to do so.

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nope

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He most certainly did. Why did Mike Pense all of a sudden become persona non grata in the Trump administration on Jan 6. It was because he refused to throw out certified election results.

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he did not attempt to get Mike Pence to defraud the citizens of the United States.

Good Lord..

It is sufficient for the government to prove that the defendant knew the statements were false or fraudulent when made. The government is not required to prove the statements ultimately resulted in any actual loss to the government of any property or funds, only that the defendant's activities impeded or interfered with legitimate governmental functions.

The defendant's activities did not impede or interfere with legitimate government functions.

Doc Holliday said:

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Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

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The same individuals who attempted to impeach Trump twice only because their opposition party controlled the House of Representatives

The same individuals who falsely accused Trump of Russian collusion based on a phony dossier paid for by their own party operatives

The same individuals who raided Trump's home for documents when their own VP had done the exact same thing



Such individuals don't give a tinkers damn about right or wrong or future ramifications of their actions .

4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Guy Noir said:

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For those that still support Donald Trump, I quote Mike Penske, "Read the Constitution."

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I cannot get past the First Amendment. The DOJ cannot get that far.

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I suggest you read all of the Constitution.

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Did. The charges remain malicious and unconstitutional/

Sucks for you, but meh ...

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So if a person walks into a bank and asks for all the money then they should not be charged with bank robbery because it is their first amendment right to say such a thing? That is just plain silly.

Trump asked Mike Pense to overturn the election results. He is guilty of attempting to defraud the citizens of the USA. That's the kind of things dictators do to stay in power.

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um.. no. My bank robbing dude would not be charged with defrauding the bank. He would be charged with attempted bank robbery.

Trump is guilty of alot of things, not defrauding the citizens of the United States on Jan 6..

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He did not defraud the citizens of the USA. He attempted to get Mike Pense to do so.

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nope

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He most certainly did. Why did Mike Pense all of a sudden become persona non grata in the Trump administration on Jan 6. It was because he refused to throw out certified election results.

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he did not attempt to get Mike Pence to defraud the citizens of the United States.

Good Lord..

It is sufficient for the government to prove that the defendant knew the statements were false or fraudulent when made. The government is not required to prove the statements ultimately resulted in any actual loss to the government of any property or funds, only that the defendant's activities impeded or interfered with legitimate governmental functions.

The defendant's activities did not impede or interfere with legitimate government functions.

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Only because Pence said no. Accepting alternate electors is impeding or interfering. If Pence testifies what he has said, Trump will be found guilty. Rightly so, as White House counsel is on the record telling Trump this is not legal, as did Pences counsel.

FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Guy Noir said:

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For those that still support Donald Trump, I quote Mike Penske, "Read the Constitution."

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I cannot get past the First Amendment. The DOJ cannot get that far.

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I suggest you read all of the Constitution.

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Did. The charges remain malicious and unconstitutional/

Sucks for you, but meh ...

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So if a person walks into a bank and asks for all the money then they should not be charged with bank robbery because it is their first amendment right to say such a thing? That is just plain silly.

Trump asked Mike Pense to overturn the election results. He is guilty of attempting to defraud the citizens of the USA. That's the kind of things dictators do to stay in power.

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um.. no. My bank robbing dude would not be charged with defrauding the bank. He would be charged with attempted bank robbery.

Trump is guilty of alot of things, not defrauding the citizens of the United States on Jan 6..

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He did not defraud the citizens of the USA. He attempted to get Mike Pense to do so.

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nope

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He most certainly did. Why did Mike Pense all of a sudden become persona non grata in the Trump administration on Jan 6. It was because he refused to throw out certified election results.

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he did not attempt to get Mike Pence to defraud the citizens of the United States.

Good Lord..

It is sufficient for the government to prove that the defendant knew the statements were false or fraudulent when made. The government is not required to prove the statements ultimately resulted in any actual loss to the government of any property or funds, only that the defendant's activities impeded or interfered with legitimate governmental functions.

The defendant's activities did not impede or interfere with legitimate government functions.

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Only because Pence said no. Accepting alternate electors is impeding or interfering. If Pence testifies what he has said, Trump will be found guilty. Rightly so, as White House counsel is on the record telling Trump this is not legal, as did Pences counsel.

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let me know when they charge Mike Pence with conspiracy to defraud..

He clearly made statements in public that followed the same line of thinking and then did his job on Jam 6th.

Again, nothing Trump said or did rises to the level of impeding or interfering with a govt function.

Ramaswamy 2024

A name we're not hearing? Mark Meadows. Why?

4th and Inches said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Guy Noir said:

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For those that still support Donald Trump, I quote Mike Penske, "Read the Constitution."

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I cannot get past the First Amendment. The DOJ cannot get that far.

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I suggest you read all of the Constitution.

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Did. The charges remain malicious and unconstitutional/

Sucks for you, but meh ...

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So if a person walks into a bank and asks for all the money then they should not be charged with bank robbery because it is their first amendment right to say such a thing? That is just plain silly.

Trump asked Mike Pense to overturn the election results. He is guilty of attempting to defraud the citizens of the USA. That's the kind of things dictators do to stay in power.

---

um.. no. My bank robbing dude would not be charged with defrauding the bank. He would be charged with attempted bank robbery.

Trump is guilty of alot of things, not defrauding the citizens of the United States on Jan 6..

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He did not defraud the citizens of the USA. He attempted to get Mike Pense to do so.

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nope

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He most certainly did. Why did Mike Pense all of a sudden become persona non grata in the Trump administration on Jan 6. It was because he refused to throw out certified election results.

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he did not attempt to get Mike Pence to defraud the citizens of the United States.

Good Lord..

It is sufficient for the government to prove that the defendant knew the statements were false or fraudulent when made. The government is not required to prove the statements ultimately resulted in any actual loss to the government of any property or funds, only that the defendant's activities impeded or interfered with legitimate governmental functions.

The defendant's activities did not impede or interfere with legitimate government functions.

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Only because Pence said no. Accepting alternate electors is impeding or interfering. If Pence testifies what he has said, Trump will be found guilty. Rightly so, as White House counsel is on the record telling Trump this is not legal, as did Pences counsel.

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let me know when they charge Mike Pence with conspiracy to defraud..

He clearly made statements in public that followed the same line of thinking and then did his job on Jam 6th.

Again, nothing Trump said or did rises to the level of impeding or interfering with a govt function.

Ramaswamy 2024

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Well, I guess we will see in a court of law. Oh, I forgot if he is guilty it is a deep state conspiracy. If he is vindicated in WV the truth won out, right? There is only one possible right answer, yours....

Oldbear83 said:

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TS: "I don't defend Biden."

That part I agree with. There is no way to defend what Biden has done. But you certainly excuse him, and try to lynch Trump just because you hate him.

Trump belongs in private life. Biden belongs in prison. Anyone saying otherwise is a fool or a part of the lynch mob.

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I don't excuse him. He just hasn't been stupid enough to get his hand caught in the cookie jar. Trump lives with his whole fist stuffed down in it. Trump belongs in prison at his own fault. Biden's son belongs in prison at his own fault. Biden himself may belong in prison if there is evidence he was a participant with his son. We'll find out without your lynch mob. Trump is hoist by his own petard.

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TexasScientist said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TexasScientist said:

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In 1923, a malignant narcissist attempted to seize governmental power in a failed coup, was imprisoned with a sentence of five years. In prison he wrote his autobiography. After his early release in 1924, backed by conservative leaders, we know the rest of the story. In 2020, a malignant narcissist attempted to seize governmental power in a failed coup, …. to be determined.

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Oh, please. You still lose the argument by referring to Hitler even if you don't use the name "Hitler."

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There are some parallels, but Biden is much more like Mussolini.

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FIFY.

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As bad as he is, he's not a malignant narcissist like Trump and Mussolini.

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NSIS.

Biden is the most fascist president we have elected.

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Biden is a socialist. Trump has autocratic fascist tendencies.

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Oldbear83 said:

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TS: "I don't defend Biden."

That part I agree with. There is no way to defend what Biden has done. But you certainly excuse him, and try to lynch Trump just because you hate him.

Trump belongs in private life. Biden belongs in prison. Anyone saying otherwise is a fool or a part of the lynch mob.

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I don't excuse him. He just hasn't been stupid enough to get his hand caught in the cookie jar. Trump lives with his whole fist stuffed down in it. Trump belongs in prison at his own fault. Biden's son belongs in prison at his own fault. Biden himself may belong in prison if there is evidence he was a participant with his son. We'll find out without your lynch mob. Trump is hoist by his own petard.

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Trump has been incredibly stupid in how he went about his business, he brought this stuff on himself. Between his mouth and impulsive behavior he self-destructed. Just like Atlantic City, USFL. his businesses... Too bad, he had some good policies, he needs to get Halley, Pompeo or even Scott to pick up the banner and he needs to bless them. Get a professional in there to execute his policy ideas. He is a trainwreck in public office. Besides, he prefers rallies to governing.

The only thing he was really good was being a persona on TV. He should go back to that...

Doc Holliday said:

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Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

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A chance at preserving our democracy, if we can elect a republican who has character and integrity.

FLBear5630 said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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TS: "I don't defend Biden."

That part I agree with. There is no way to defend what Biden has done. But you certainly excuse him, and try to lynch Trump just because you hate him.

Trump belongs in private life. Biden belongs in prison. Anyone saying otherwise is a fool or a part of the lynch mob.

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I don't excuse him. He just hasn't been stupid enough to get his hand caught in the cookie jar. Trump lives with his whole fist stuffed down in it. Trump belongs in prison at his own fault. Biden's son belongs in prison at his own fault. Biden himself may belong in prison if there is evidence he was a participant with his son. We'll find out without your lynch mob. Trump is hoist by his own petard.

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Trump has been incredibly stupid in how he went about his business, he brought this stuff on himself. Between his mouth and impulsive behavior he self-destructed. Just like Atlantic City, USFL. his businesses... Too bad, he had some good policies, he needs to get Halley, Pompeo or even Scott to pick up the banner and he needs to bless them. Get a professional in there to execute his policy ideas. He is a trainwreck in public office. Besides, he prefers rallies to governing.

The only thing he was really good was being a persona on TV. He should go back to that...

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Right on!

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Last year two Boston University professors published a law review article arguing the Vice President is the sole federal officer with discretion under the 12th Amendment to determine the validity of electoral vote submissions. Presumably they risk being charged with felonies now pic.twitter.com/Z04gKw6MYe

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As usual, the tweet is misleading. The law review article addresses "genuine disputes" and provides common sense examples. It does not come close to endorsing manufactured disputes.

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Show me you know nothing of the facts without admitting you know nothing of the facts.

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You've shown you don't know the facts or you choose to ignore them. You're answer to the events leading up to and including January 6th, stealing nuclear secrets, stealing military secrets and showing war-plans, withholding and hiding top secret and classified documents, attempts to obstruct justice during Mueller investigation, attempting to overturn a presidential election etc. etc. …. , is Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden, and any illegal involvement by his father is a separate issue that as of yet, based on the known facts, has no moral equivalency to what Trump has done.

FLBear5630 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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Guy Noir said:

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For those that still support Donald Trump, I quote Mike Penske, "Read the Constitution."

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I cannot get past the First Amendment. The DOJ cannot get that far.

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I suggest you read all of the Constitution.

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Did. The charges remain malicious and unconstitutional/

Sucks for you, but meh ...

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So if a person walks into a bank and asks for all the money then they should not be charged with bank robbery because it is their first amendment right to say such a thing? That is just plain silly.

Trump asked Mike Pense to overturn the election results. He is guilty of attempting to defraud the citizens of the USA. That's the kind of things dictators do to stay in power.

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um.. no. My bank robbing dude would not be charged with defrauding the bank. He would be charged with attempted bank robbery.

Trump is guilty of alot of things, not defrauding the citizens of the United States on Jan 6..

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He did not defraud the citizens of the USA. He attempted to get Mike Pense to do so.

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nope

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He most certainly did. Why did Mike Pense all of a sudden become persona non grata in the Trump administration on Jan 6. It was because he refused to throw out certified election results.

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he did not attempt to get Mike Pence to defraud the citizens of the United States.

Good Lord..

It is sufficient for the government to prove that the defendant knew the statements were false or fraudulent when made. The government is not required to prove the statements ultimately resulted in any actual loss to the government of any property or funds, only that the defendant's activities impeded or interfered with legitimate governmental functions.

The defendant's activities did not impede or interfere with legitimate government functions.

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Only because Pence said no. Accepting alternate electors is impeding or interfering. If Pence testifies what he has said, Trump will be found guilty. Rightly so, as White House counsel is on the record telling Trump this is not legal, as did Pences counsel.

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let me know when they charge Mike Pence with conspiracy to defraud..

He clearly made statements in public that followed the same line of thinking and then did his job on Jam 6th.

Again, nothing Trump said or did rises to the level of impeding or interfering with a govt function.

Ramaswamy 2024

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Well, I guess we will see in a court of law. Oh, I forgot if he is guilty it is a deep state conspiracy. If he is vindicated in WV the truth won out, right? There is only one possible right answer, yours....

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nonsense..

He is most likely guilty of having papers he wasnt supposed to after presidency was over(not sure it rises to espionage act but whatever) and several other things but the law is clear and the bar is set, he didnt get there.

Will he be found guilty? Yes.. in probably every case against him. Trying Trump in DC that voted 96% for Joe Biden isnt a fair venue. Its probably the most biased venue against him in the entire US. This isnt some bias or deep state conspiracy, its real life in 2023. You can go to jail for your political affiliation.

Wake up, it isnt red vs blue, its us(the people) vs them. The elected officials stopped running Washington years ago. The unelected admin state is running the country.

If there is one word that truly describes Joe Biden, 'stupid' would certainly be one of the first choices.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

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A chance at preserving our democracy, if we can elect a republican who has character and integrity.

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We need to elect a Republican who can destroy the corruption within the system. The level of corruption is astronomical.

If your idea of a good president is likeability then you have the entire premise wrong.

Also, you're a woke leftist larping as a centrist. If Trump supporters were murdered by the millions it would make you happy.

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

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A chance at preserving our democracy, if we can elect a republican who has character and integrity.

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We need to elect a Republican who can destroy the corruption within the system. The level of corruption is astronomical.

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If your idea of a good president is likeability then you have the entire premise wrong.

Also, you're a woke leftist larping as a centrist. If Trump supporters were murdered by the millions it would make you happy.

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We need to elect a Republican who can destroy the corruption within the system. The level of corruption is astronomical.

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Ok, I can agree with that. Trump is not that person. He is part of the corruption in a whole separate dimension to himself.

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If your idea of a good president is likeability then you have the entire premise wrong.

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Being likable isn't a criteria. Honesty, integrity, and character are first, Constitution and country over politics second, then conservative principles.

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Also, you're a woke leftist larping as a centrist. If Trump supporters were murdered by the millions it would make you happy.

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You may want to consider whether directing ad hominem personal attacks, and making outlandish provocative comments to bolster your psyche reveals something about your character.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

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A chance at preserving our democracy, if we can elect a republican who has character and integrity.

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We need to elect a Republican who can destroy the corruption within the system. The level of corruption is astronomical.

If your idea of a good president is likeability then you have the entire premise wrong.

Also, you're a woke leftist larping as a centrist. If Trump supporters were murdered by the millions it would make you happy.

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Agree with you here, Doc. I know you're not sold on DeSantis, but right now I think only he and Donald Trump would have the testicular fortitude to tear down and eliminate the corruption in D.C.

My biggest concern would be that if one of these two does win the Presidency in 2024, the CIA (and friends) are gonna go November 22, 1963 on them. We shall see.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

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A chance at preserving our democracy, if we can elect a republican who has character and integrity.

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We need to elect a Republican who can destroy the corruption within the system. The level of corruption is astronomical.

If your idea of a good president is likeability then you have the entire premise wrong.

Also, you're a woke leftist larping as a centrist. If Trump supporters were murdered by the millions it would make you happy.

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Agree with you here, Doc. I know you're not sold on DeSantis, but right now I think only he and Donald Trump would have the testicular fortitude to tear down and eliminate the corruption in D.C.

My biggest concern would be that if one of these two does win the Presidency in 2024, the CIA (and friends) are gonna go November 22, 1963 on them. We shall see.

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Whatever GOP candidate ends up on the ballot, that's who I'm voting for. New supreme court members are at stake with this election and we can't afford to let any democrat appoint another low IQ leftist.

If it's Desantis, I will vote for him. I'm very skeptical about Ron because he's got many members of the establishment endorsing him and his campaign is built by the Jeb Bush team (RINOs). Is his populism just a ruse?

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Doc Holliday said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

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A chance at preserving our democracy, if we can elect a republican who has character and integrity.

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We need to elect a Republican who can destroy the corruption within the system. The level of corruption is astronomical.

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If your idea of a good president is likeability then you have the entire premise wrong.

Also, you're a woke leftist larping as a centrist. If Trump supporters were murdered by the millions it would make you happy.

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We need to elect a Republican who can destroy the corruption within the system. The level of corruption is astronomical.

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Ok, I can agree with that. Trump is not that person. He is part of the corruption in a whole separate dimension to himself.

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If your idea of a good president is likeability then you have the entire premise wrong.

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Being likable isn't a criteria. Honesty, integrity, and character are first, Constitution and country over politics second, then conservative principles.

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Also, you're a woke leftist larping as a centrist. If Trump supporters were murdered by the millions it would make you happy.

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You may want to consider whether directing ad hominem personal attacks, and making outlandish provocative comments to bolster your psyche reveals something about your character.

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I don't think you're educated on how DC truly works and how bad things actually are.

The posts you make on this site lead me to believe that you support post modern and leftist radicalism. Your hatred for Trump leads me to believe that you think his supporters are subhuman.

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Do you guys understand what the ramifications of throwing Trump in prison are?

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A chance at preserving our democracy, if we can elect a republican who has character and integrity.

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We need to elect a Republican who can destroy the corruption within the system. The level of corruption is astronomical.

If your idea of a good president is likeability then you have the entire premise wrong.

Also, you're a woke leftist larping as a centrist. If Trump supporters were murdered by the millions it would make you happy.

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Agree with you here, Doc. I know you're not sold on DeSantis, but right now I think only he and Donald Trump would have the testicular fortitude to tear down and eliminate the corruption in D.C.

My biggest concern would be that if one of these two does win the Presidency in 2024, the CIA (and friends) are gonna go November 22, 1963 on them. We shall see.

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Whatever GOP candidate ends up on the ballot, that's who I'm voting for. New supreme court members are at stake with this election and we can't afford to let any democrat appoint another low IQ leftist.

If it's Desantis, I will vote for him. I'm very skeptical about Ron because he's got many members of the establishment endorsing him and his campaign is built by the Jeb Bush team (RINOs). Is his populism just a ruse?

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Am comfortable that DeSantis is no 'rhino'.

However the media is already attempting to bury his campaign and Dem's will quietly support his weakest rivals. ( as they successfully did in republican senate primaries ).

And of course if all else fails and DeSantis pulls in 87 million votes in the 2024 general election; Gavin will magically draw 101 million votes.

If DeSantis complains he will share a prison cell with Trump.

Welcome to our new democracy.

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For those that still support Donald Trump, I quote Mike Penske, "Read the Constitution."

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I cannot get past the First Amendment. The DOJ cannot get that far.

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I suggest you read all of the Constitution.

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Did. The charges remain malicious and unconstitutional/

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So if a person walks into a bank and asks for all the money then they should not be charged with bank robbery because it is their first amendment right to say such a thing? That is just plain silly.

Trump asked Mike Pense to overturn the election results. He is guilty of attempting to defraud the citizens of the USA. That's the kind of things dictators do to stay in power.

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um.. no. My bank robbing dude would not be charged with defrauding the bank. He would be charged with attempted bank robbery.

Trump is guilty of alot of things, not defrauding the citizens of the United States on Jan 6..

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He did not defraud the citizens of the USA. He attempted to get Mike Pense to do so.

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He most certainly did. Why did Mike Pense all of a sudden become persona non grata in the Trump administration on Jan 6. It was because he refused to throw out certified election results.

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he did not attempt to get Mike Pence to defraud the citizens of the United States.

Good Lord..

It is sufficient for the government to prove that the defendant knew the statements were false or fraudulent when made. The government is not required to prove the statements ultimately resulted in any actual loss to the government of any property or funds, only that the defendant's activities impeded or interfered with legitimate governmental functions.

The defendant's activities did not impede or interfere with legitimate government functions.

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Only because Pence said no. Accepting alternate electors is impeding or interfering. If Pence testifies what he has said, Trump will be found guilty. Rightly so, as White House counsel is on the record telling Trump this is not legal, as did Pences counsel.

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let me know when they charge Mike Pence with conspiracy to defraud..

He clearly made statements in public that followed the same line of thinking and then did his job on Jam 6th.

Again, nothing Trump said or did rises to the level of impeding or interfering with a govt function.

Ramaswamy 2024

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nonsense..

He is most likely guilty of having papers he wasnt supposed to after presidency was over(not sure it rises to espionage act but whatever) and several other things but the law is clear and the bar is set, he didnt get there.

Will he be found guilty? Yes.. in probably every case against him. Trying Trump in DC that voted 96% for Joe Biden isnt a fair venue. Its probably the most biased venue against him in the entire US. This isnt some bias or deep state conspiracy, its real life in 2023. You can go to jail for your political affiliation.

Wake up, it isnt red vs blue, its us(the people) vs them. The elected officials stopped running Washington years ago. The unelected admin state is running the country.

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The unelected "admin" state only does what the elected officials say, if you are talking about the Federal worker bureaucracy. Decisions are made in the appointed Secretary's office and carried out through the Departments,

It has been my experience in DC the more the elected officials get involved in day to day decisions the worse it is! You do not want elected officials making day to day decisions or awarding grants or funding, it creates a nightmare.

Quieren que defender a Trump sea un crimen.
No pueden parar de Peronizarlo. https://t.co/BGh3mJy0xD

— Eternal Lady 🗡️⭐️⭐️⭐️ (@Lady_Astor) August 7, 2023

BREAKING: Undercover video of Nancy Pelosi’s daughter Alexandra discussing J6 where they discuss how:

-J6ers can’t get fair trial in DC

-Media overhyped it

-Need a new war to distract Americans

-J6 had “no guns, no plans…just people taking selfies”

-No actual insurrection… pic.twitter.com/gaQXVFKMuy

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) June 6, 2023

Jack Smith lied in the banana republic indictment by maliciously omitting "peacefully and patriotically" demonstrate. He therefore could be indicted under the same "legal" theory.

It's another Stalin show trial to get all focus on January 6 mythology and not on Bidenomics or Ukraine.