Whether it was actually her job or not, that is what was reported. And when the number of illegal entries more than doubled under your watch, that is an albatross not even a partisan Democrat can overcome.parch said:My response is to an insane lie the Trump camp has perpetuated, and way too many gullible sycophants have parroted, that it was somehow Harris' job to police the border and the sieve it has become is somehow down to her failed policies. That's a wild, dangerous lie with zero basis in fact. The VP does not get to devise or implement domestic or foreign policy. This is the crux of Vance's argument, and it's wrong.KaiBear said:parch said:That's not the argument Vance and others behind and around him are making. The campaign critique is that Biden assigned her to the border as the czar, which means she had overall control of everything that happened there. That's a complete and utter falsehood.KaiBear said:parch said:I think this is outdated thinking and a result of Biden's weakness rather than party ideology. Democrat establishment types have already lost this battle. Polling indicates the majority (overwhelmingly in some places) of Democrat voters disapprove of Biden's job at the border and want stronger policies. Whether they go far enough is up for debate, but I don't believe Harris will be immediately cowed into inaction by lily-white Democrats because they're hearing it from their constituency right now, and they want to keep their seats.Doc Holliday said:Yes you do. You have every idea that based on what she's said, her party's stance and that if she was tough on the border it would be political suicide.parch said:I have no idea if she'll reverse trends on actual on-the-border issues. She may be awful at it. She may be surprisingly adept. I'm not the one pre-judging. The point is that, subjectively, she's never had an actual crack at it in the first place. Those decisions were not on her desk or anywhere near it.Doc Holliday said:Subjectively she's part of the Biden administration who hasn't done anything to protect the border and I can only conclude she will do the same based on her own public statements on the topic.parch said:
The whole point of this thread was subjective assessment. Mayorkas was, is, and will continue to be the actual border czar, and even that is a misnomer because he doesn't have that broad of authority. It was never Harris, ever. Mayorkas oversees the country's main three immigration agencies, including Customs and Border Protection. If you want an actual border czar, look up Roberta Jacobson - and her role hasn't existed in three years.
If you read it off a page, Harris' actual tasking was convincing companies to invest in Central America and promoting democracy and development there through diplomacy. Whether she did that well is up for debate, but that's just the reality. She never had a role at the border because she wasn't given one.
We're supposed to believe she will get a handle on the border based on what?
If she wins, I will judge her based on her actions and not this phony "border czar" title she's been given by hard right repubs.
Harris has zero accountability for these 5-12 million illegals in our country ?
As if she was a mere post office clerk somewhere in South Dakota these last 3 years ?
She was diplomatically assigned to raise money and support for Central American governments to help stem the tide of immigration at the point of embarkation, to which end she raised $5 billion in investment, money that won't see effects come to fruition for many years.
Harris was awkward and a diplomatic pawn, per VP duties, during her public visits and statements on the matter, but the policies were Biden's. If she extends them verbatim (she won't), we can talk then.
No offense, but your explanation is obviously partisan and a simplistic point of view.
As a significant member of Biden's cabinet and administration Harris is accountable for the choices of the administration.
And the same Dem power brokers that destroyed Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign , only to later destroy Biden's 2024 campaign are not going to allow their most current selection to dramatically alter their immigration / cultural agenda .
The only one who is guaranteed to stop this southern invasion is Donald Trump. Unfortunately. As I wish there was another alternative….but there is not.
If you want to blame her for the border, you go ahead, but that mess is not a result of any decision or action she's made unless you can somehow prove otherwise.
Perception - in this case perception perpetuated by the Biden admin - is reality.
