LA Burning to the ground

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LIB,MR BEARS
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GruntTuff said:

Actually, I feel sorry for Harrison that he didn't live in Mississippi in the 1850's so he could have owned slaves.

Imagine the cross-burning.
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In an attempt to clean up Sic'em I am posting the following



If the plan works, both Harrison and Grunt will stroke out
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LA's $750k-a-year water chief Janisse Quiñones 'knew about empty reservoir and broken hydrants' months before fires

The $750,000-a-year LA water czar is responsible for a raft of failures that contributed to the devastating Palisades Fire, fire department insiders told DailyMail.com.

On Mayor Karen Bass's orders, the city maxed out its budget to 'attract private-sector talent', hiring Department of Water and Power (LADWP) CEO Janisse Quiñones on a $750,000 salary in May almost double that of her predecessor.

Now, Quiñones is being blamed by LA Fire Department (LAFD) insiders for leaving a nearby reservoir disconnected and fire hydrants broken for months, DailyMail.com can reveal, leading to firefighters running out of water as they battled the devastating Palisades Fire this week.

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KaiBear
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

In an attempt to clean up Sic'em I am posting the following



If the plan works, both Harrison and Grunt will stroke out


Excellent presentation.

Worth watching.

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Jacques Strap said:

LA's $750k-a-year water chief Janisse Quiñones 'knew about empty reservoir and broken hydrants' months before fires

The $750,000-a-year LA water czar is responsible for a raft of failures that contributed to the devastating Palisades Fire, fire department insiders told DailyMail.com.

On Mayor Karen Bass's orders, the city maxed out its budget to 'attract private-sector talent', hiring Department of Water and Power (LADWP) CEO Janisse Quiñones on a $750,000 salary in May almost double that of her predecessor.

Now, Quiñones is being blamed by LA Fire Department (LAFD) insiders for leaving a nearby reservoir disconnected and fire hydrants broken for months, DailyMail.com can reveal, leading to firefighters running out of water as they battled the devastating Palisades Fire this week.


Welcome to running Government like a business. I bet the bottom line looks better. I bet her presentations to her City Council is big on how much she saved and how much "waste" is eliminated. Probably has bonuses tied to reducing costs and not one tied to the actual performance of the Department. That has been my experience on "efficiency, cost focused" business leaders coming in to save the day. They totally lose focus on what the mission is and the need to perform it. I would bet there are reports showing that hydrant testing is too frequent and we can save money by extending testing and maintenance schedules. We saw that during the Hurricanes, blizzards, power failures, etc... Generators that used to be tested weekly, now go once a year because it is wasteful lazy government workers milking the system driving out and testing generators every week. What an opportunity for savings! Until a fire, storm or hurricane knock out power and nothing comes on, experienced it this year. But our costs are down. People that have no idea how to provide public services are being put in charge, they are more interested in bond ratings and how much did I cut from my predecessor. Wall Street metrics have taken the place of operational and safety metrics.

Keep fueling it, people like OldBear are the problem. Spouting off on **** they have no idea what they are talking about. After all, those Government workers that USED to test the hydrants and manage the water system should be in jail, they are the 90% right?
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Jacques Strap said:


Seriously. Shoot them on site. No more arresting. Then post the videos so the hommies understand what happens next time they think about doing this...
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ScottS
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Jacques Strap said:




Yeah, wow, its sick. Now, you saw this with the DNC convention this summer. Very sick.
Jacques Strap
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I hope the Getty Center survives this.

L.A. shaken by mass evacuations in Brentwood, Encino; flames visible for miles as fire siege enters Day 5

Updates
https://www.latimes.com/california/live/2025-01-10/fire-los-angeles-california-eaton-palisades-updates

A night of mass evacuations in Brentwood and Encino and the unnerving view of flames across the city has left Los Angeles on edge on Day 5 of the fire siege that has flattened more than 10,000 structures.

The Getty Center in Brentwood home to one of Los Angeles' largest art collections is complying with Friday evening's evacuation order and is now closed, with only emergency staff on site, Ali Sivak, a spokeswoman for the J. Paul Getty Trust, said in a statement.

The growing Palisades fire the area on fire is shown in orange is threatening homes along Mandeville Canyon Road. Mandatory evacuation zones are colored red, which include MountainGate Country Club and swaths of Encino and Brentwood. Evacuation warning areas are in yellow, and include portions of Bel Air.

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william said:

GrowlTowel said:

1. Michael Jordan
2. David Robinson
3. Emmitt Smith
4. Walter Payton
5. Willie Mays
6. Morgan Freeman
7. Tiger Woods
8. Nat King Cole
9. Arthur Ashe
10. Apollo Creed
... glaring omission:



- KKM


Denzel Washington
RGIII
Davion Mitchell
Dr Ben Carson
MLK
Cuba Goodings Jr
Ella Fitzgerald
Aretha Franklin
Billie Holiday
Sarah Vaughan
Simon Estes
Kathleen Battle
Jessye Norman
Sammy Davis Jt
Louis Armstrong
Duke Ellington
Cicely Tyson
Jackie Robinson
Clarence Thomas
Thurgood Marshall
Gary Ashe
James Earl Jones

and many more, especially in the entertainment industries
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edit: SoCal Edison:

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Faults along the Los Angeles power grid alarmingly soared in the same areas where major wildfires raged this week, sparking a new theory that they may have caused the devastating crisis.

Bob Marshall, the chief executive of Whisker Labs, a company that monitors electrical activity, told Fox News that the firm saw spikes in faults in the hours before the Eaton, Palisades and Hurst Fires.

Marshall said data shows the power was not immediately shut off after the faults surged, and may have been caused by 'tree limbs touching wires or wires blowing in the wind and touching.'
'That creates a spark in a fault, and we detect all of those things,' Marshall said. Faulty electrical equipment, a sudden surge in electrical demand or earthquake tremors are also possible causes of the surges.

In the worst-hit Pacific Palisades area, there were 63 faults in the two-to-three hours before it ignited, with 18 coming in the hour before it started Tuesday.

The Eaton Fire, near Altadena, saw 317 grid faults in the hours before ignition, Marshall said, and the Hurst Fire saw around 230 faults. On a typical day, he said the company registers very few.

Although investigators have yet to determine the cause of the fires, the grid faults raise the possibility that sparks from the faults ignited dried out vegetation, with high winds then carrying embers across the region.
<<

- KKM
dale 2028
historian
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There are many other examples, most not famous or widely known outside a narrow circle. That said, HB has a valid point: far too many people, especially in govt or woke corporations, are hired because of the identity politics checkboxes and quickly prove themselves unqualified. One only need look at everyone associated with the Biden Administration to see a plethora of examples. I cannot name a single competent member.

Another observation: DEI is a recent phenomenon so we should be careful using it as a metric. Several of my examples had illustrious careers and died before anyone came up with that hare brained idea (I deliberately omitted many 19th century examples). One could argue that it's just unconstitutional affirmative action under a different label and that has been around for over 50 years. The same still applies.

Lastly, it is curious that most examples are in entertainment (sports, film, & music). I'm unsure why but I think it might be due to a huge abundance of exceptional talent and the earlier breakdown of barriers for minorities to achieve greatness.
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ScottS said:

I agree with RedBrick. California should have been prepared for this.

Valid point. I remember living in SoCal in the 1970s and wildfires were a regular occurrence because of dry weather.

I also remember wildfires in central Texas, near Bastrop, in 2012. It was devastating but our leaders managed it reasonably well.
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Facebook Groups at; Memories of: Dallas, Texas, Football in Texas, Texas Music, Through a Texas Lens and also Dallas History Guild. Come visit!
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cowboycwr said:

I've seen a few reports of looting going on before homes burn. So far nothing that seems like it is a massive issue but that it is at least happening. Saw a report that 20 people were arrested for it. So probably 3 times as many people doing it.

I read a report that there is an organized effort by gangs of illegals to loot the homes of the wealthy & that they are very clever in evading the authorities. If this is true, maybe the National Guard can clean up the mess created by incompetent fascist politicians.
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historian said:

ScottS said:

I agree with RedBrick. California should have been prepared for this.

Valid point. I remember living in SoCal in the 1970s and wildfires were a regular occurrence because of dry weather.

I also remember wildfires in central Texas, near Bastrop, in 2012. It was devastating but our leaders managed it reasonably well.
The incompetence is amazing.

None of this is new - fires have been a thing in SoCal forever. Amazing how ill prepared the overall state is, but the people will still vote for the Didn't Earn Its over competent leadership.
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Jacques Strap said:





These people are satanic. They worship death. It's the same kind of irrational thinking that led to the Holocaust.
historian
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Jacques Strap said:




The eugenics left is obsessed with keeping the blek population under control. Remember what Ruth Ginsburg said about abortion - she said the quite part out loud: it was always about keeping the bleks from breeding.

Margaret Sanger, a founder of PP, said the same things.
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historian said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jacques Strap said:




The eugenics left is obsessed with keeping the blek population under control. Remember what Ruth Ginsburg said about abortion - she said the quite part out loud: it was always about keeping the bleks from breeding.

Margaret Sanger, a founder of PP, said the same things.
Yep. Abortion was created and celebrated by the radical left to keep the undesirables under control. Ruth Ginsberg said the quite part out loud. The entire reason the regressive left is obsessed with abortion is the keep to undesirables from breeding.
Jacques Strap
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Harrison Bergeron said:

historian said:

ScottS said:

I agree with RedBrick. California should have been prepared for this.

Valid point. I remember living in SoCal in the 1970s and wildfires were a regular occurrence because of dry weather.

I also remember wildfires in central Texas, near Bastrop, in 2012. It was devastating but our leaders managed it reasonably well.
The incompetence is amazing.

None of this is new - fires have been a thing in SoCal forever. Amazing how ill prepared the overall state is, but the people will still vote for the Didn't Earn Its over competent leadership.

It's not just California where putting people in charge of the water service who have other priorities besiddes the water service bring those chickens home to roost

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historian said:

william said:

GrowlTowel said:

1. Michael Jordan
2. David Robinson
3. Emmitt Smith
4. Walter Payton
5. Willie Mays
6. Morgan Freeman
7. Tiger Woods
8. Nat King Cole
9. Arthur Ashe
10. Apollo Creed
... glaring omission:



- KKM



Thurgood Marshall




That is not a good example

[Marshall was considered to be a gifted courtroom orator and decent tactical lawyer, but was never considered to be all that great as a legal thinker or opinion writer.

Marshall (1967-1991) became disengaged in the late 1970s and early 1980s, spending his afternoons watching TV shows and letting his clerks do his work. A 1990 TV interview left some wondering if he'd lost it, and he retired the next year.]

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FLBear5630 said:

Jacques Strap said:

LA's $750k-a-year water chief Janisse Quiñones 'knew about empty reservoir and broken hydrants' months before fires

The $750,000-a-year LA water czar is responsible for a raft of failures that contributed to the devastating Palisades Fire, fire department insiders told DailyMail.com.

On Mayor Karen Bass's orders, the city maxed out its budget to 'attract private-sector talent', hiring Department of Water and Power (LADWP) CEO Janisse Quiñones on a $750,000 salary in May almost double that of her predecessor.

Now, Quiñones is being blamed by LA Fire Department (LAFD) insiders for leaving a nearby reservoir disconnected and fire hydrants broken for months, DailyMail.com can reveal, leading to firefighters running out of water as they battled the devastating Palisades Fire this week.


Welcome to running Government like a business. I bet the bottom line looks better. I bet her presentations to her City Council is big on how much she saved and how much "waste" is eliminated. Probably has bonuses tied to reducing costs and not one tied to the actual performance of the Department. That has been my experience on "efficiency, cost focused" business leaders coming in to save the day. They totally lose focus on what the mission is and the need to perform it. I would bet there are reports showing that hydrant testing is too frequent and we can save money by extending testing and maintenance schedules. We saw that during the Hurricanes, blizzards, power failures, etc... Generators that used to be tested weekly, now go once a year because it is wasteful lazy government workers milking the system driving out and testing generators every week. What an opportunity for savings! Until a fire, storm or hurricane knock out power and nothing comes on, experienced it this year. But our costs are down. People that have no idea how to provide public services are being put in charge, they are more interested in bond ratings and how much did I cut from my predecessor. Wall Street metrics have taken the place of operational and safety metrics.

Keep fueling it, people like OldBear are the problem. Spouting off on **** they have no idea what they are talking about. After all, those Government workers that USED to test the hydrants and manage the water system should be in jail, they are the 90% right?
You really believe THIS is running government like a business, DEI, nepotism, price freezes, extreme taxation?

You should really think before you post
ScottS
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This is what you get when democrats run the show. They suck at governing.
LIB,MR BEARS
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william said:

PGE - in trouble - again:

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Faults along the Los Angeles power grid alarmingly soared in the same areas where major wildfires raged this week, sparking a new theory that they may have caused the devastating crisis.

Bob Marshall, the chief executive of Whisker Labs, a company that monitors electrical activity, told Fox News that the firm saw spikes in faults in the hours before the Eaton, Palisades and Hurst Fires.

Marshall said data shows the power was not immediately shut off after the faults surged, and may have been caused by 'tree limbs touching wires or wires blowing in the wind and touching.'
'That creates a spark in a fault, and we detect all of those things,' Marshall said. Faulty electrical equipment, a sudden surge in electrical demand or earthquake tremors are also possible causes of the surges.

In the worst-hit Pacific Palisades area, there were 63 faults in the two-to-three hours before it ignited, with 18 coming in the hour before it started Tuesday.

The Eaton Fire, near Altadena, saw 317 grid faults in the hours before ignition, Marshall said, and the Hurst Fire saw around 230 faults. On a typical day, he said the company registers very few.

Although investigators have yet to determine the cause of the fires, the grid faults raise the possibility that sparks from the faults ignited dried out vegetation, with high winds then carrying embers across the region.
<<

- KKM
the utility companies butcher our trees to keep them away from the power lines. Do they not do that in CA?
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Report: CA Gov. Newsom Cut $100M from Fire Prevention Budget in 2024
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

william said:

PGE - in trouble - again:

>>
Faults along the Los Angeles power grid alarmingly soared in the same areas where major wildfires raged this week, sparking a new theory that they may have caused the devastating crisis.

Bob Marshall, the chief executive of Whisker Labs, a company that monitors electrical activity, told Fox News that the firm saw spikes in faults in the hours before the Eaton, Palisades and Hurst Fires.

Marshall said data shows the power was not immediately shut off after the faults surged, and may have been caused by 'tree limbs touching wires or wires blowing in the wind and touching.'
'That creates a spark in a fault, and we detect all of those things,' Marshall said. Faulty electrical equipment, a sudden surge in electrical demand or earthquake tremors are also possible causes of the surges.

In the worst-hit Pacific Palisades area, there were 63 faults in the two-to-three hours before it ignited, with 18 coming in the hour before it started Tuesday.

The Eaton Fire, near Altadena, saw 317 grid faults in the hours before ignition, Marshall said, and the Hurst Fire saw around 230 faults. On a typical day, he said the company registers very few.

Although investigators have yet to determine the cause of the fires, the grid faults raise the possibility that sparks from the faults ignited dried out vegetation, with high winds then carrying embers across the region.
<<

- KKM
the utility companies butcher our trees to keep them away from the power lines. Do they not do that in CA?
No, California has some ridiculous laws on the books meant to 'protect the environment', so common-sense things like removing brush in forests and keeping lines free of tree branches are severely restricted when not outright banned.

The kicker is the State will no doubt hold PG&E financially responsible for not doing what the state prevented them from doing before the fires.

They have done it before

https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-lockyer-sues-pge-corporation-unfair-business-practices

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/california/court-upholds-abc10-lawsuit-pge-regulator/103-0fe2160f-a620-45bc-a8cf-4e2f2d7de955

and even though the California Supreme Court has limited PG&E's legal liability,

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-20/california-supreme-court-says-pg-e-cant-be-sued-over-safety-related-power-shutoffs

the State continues to find ways to make the utility pay

https://www.selectjustice.com/pge-lawsuit-dixie-fire-ca


and money has always been the god Cali politicians love.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

william said:

GrowlTowel said:

1. Michael Jordan
2. David Robinson
3. Emmitt Smith
4. Walter Payton
5. Willie Mays
6. Morgan Freeman
7. Tiger Woods
8. Nat King Cole
9. Arthur Ashe
10. Apollo Creed
... glaring omission:



- KKM



Thurgood Marshall




That is not a good example

[Marshall was considered to be a gifted courtroom orator and decent tactical lawyer, but was never considered to be all that great as a legal thinker or opinion writer.

Marshall (1967-1991) became disengaged in the late 1970s and early 1980s, spending his afternoons watching TV shows and letting his clerks do his work. A 1990 TV interview left some wondering if he'd lost it, and he retired the next year.]



I will agree that Thurgood Marshall was less accomplished when he joined SCOTUS but he was an accomplished attorney before then. After all, he did argue the Brown case before the Court.

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ScottS said:

This is what you get when democrats run the show. They suck at governing.

The fascists are terrible at everything except sometimes when lying.
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ATL Bear
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California generates the highest amount of tax revenue of any state. And I don't mean by a little, they collect almost double compared to the next closest New York. They also receive the highest amount of Federal monies by a huge factor as well. While they have the largest population of any state, this isn't about proportionality. For example California's population is about 25% higher than Texas, yet California's state tax revenue is almost 300% higher!

This and so many other problems in the state are about over regulation, misaligned priorities, bad politics, and just gross mismanagement. It's not about the amount of money available.
FLBear5630
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

FLBear5630 said:

Jacques Strap said:

LA's $750k-a-year water chief Janisse Quiñones 'knew about empty reservoir and broken hydrants' months before fires

The $750,000-a-year LA water czar is responsible for a raft of failures that contributed to the devastating Palisades Fire, fire department insiders told DailyMail.com.

On Mayor Karen Bass's orders, the city maxed out its budget to 'attract private-sector talent', hiring Department of Water and Power (LADWP) CEO Janisse Quiñones on a $750,000 salary in May almost double that of her predecessor.

Now, Quiñones is being blamed by LA Fire Department (LAFD) insiders for leaving a nearby reservoir disconnected and fire hydrants broken for months, DailyMail.com can reveal, leading to firefighters running out of water as they battled the devastating Palisades Fire this week.


Welcome to running Government like a business. I bet the bottom line looks better. I bet her presentations to her City Council is big on how much she saved and how much "waste" is eliminated. Probably has bonuses tied to reducing costs and not one tied to the actual performance of the Department. That has been my experience on "efficiency, cost focused" business leaders coming in to save the day. They totally lose focus on what the mission is and the need to perform it. I would bet there are reports showing that hydrant testing is too frequent and we can save money by extending testing and maintenance schedules. We saw that during the Hurricanes, blizzards, power failures, etc... Generators that used to be tested weekly, now go once a year because it is wasteful lazy government workers milking the system driving out and testing generators every week. What an opportunity for savings! Until a fire, storm or hurricane knock out power and nothing comes on, experienced it this year. But our costs are down. People that have no idea how to provide public services are being put in charge, they are more interested in bond ratings and how much did I cut from my predecessor. Wall Street metrics have taken the place of operational and safety metrics.

Keep fueling it, people like OldBear are the problem. Spouting off on **** they have no idea what they are talking about. After all, those Government workers that USED to test the hydrants and manage the water system should be in jail, they are the 90% right?
You really believe THIS is running government like a business, DEI, nepotism, price freezes, extreme taxation?

You should really think before you post
Even though I never mentioned any of those, let's not let that stop you though, every single thing you mentioned is alive and well in Business. Below is just a smattering of the articles and advertising for DEI in Business. But, I realize you know all so actually looking stuff up is beneath you.

Now if you want to discuss the shift of evaluation metrics from performance to financial and the ramifications of that on actually being able to do the job, what I actually said, I would be all in favor. There is a reason you can't run Government like a Business, the CA wildfires are a good example. Hydrants, fire services and operational water systems HAVE to work whether or not the ROI is there or training and maintenance is expensive. But, keep blathering about that other **** it fits you narrative better than facts and the truth...


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