Joe Rogan and Elon Musk talk about how Democrats were qualifying illegal migrants for Social Security and Disability FOR LIFE

Joe Rogan “It was using social security money — She was in charge of turning illegal immigrants into clients. That's what they would call them. She would… pic.twitter.com/rpiC0nPbzA

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) March 18, 2025

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I have been married twice each for 13 years. The first one ended because after getting married at 15 and 14 I think we just got tired of each other. I would have never divorced had I not gotten custody of our three kids, ages 2,3 and 13. All my children are from my first marriage.

I got remarried about 5 years later. We were also married 13 yeqrs. She had lost a teenage daughter iin a car wreck right before we met. I didnt realize the the pain and suffering she was carrying. The roller coaster of her emotional problems finally overcame us and we parted.

That about sums it up. There have been lots of other women. After grinding out being a man at 15 and carrying so much responsibility for so many my life has been unconventional. Its been a great ride.

I dont see what this has to do with you deny being an aggy but I really dont blame you.

PS. When you change user names the join date and the post count dont change. Anyone can click
on your name and see you became a member way back when the new site opened, 2017. Kia Bear has not been here 8 years.

6,621 posts since you joined
4,150 as Kia Bear

You joined in 2017 and your first post as KB was 3/2023. So you joined and waited 7 years to post or you are Canadian Aggy.

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Interesting

With you constant references to sexual adventures would have guessed cheating would have been involved.

But you didn't mention such activities so it didn't happen.

Tracking other contributors posts is more than a little weird. But for you it seems to fit.

For the last time.

I am not an aggie.

pic.twitter.com/37NbW4bvnI

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 20, 2025

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Lock up all the domestic terrorists. Today they are targeting Tesla dealerships & Tesla owners. Tomorrow they might be burning churches & synagogues. In 10 years, they might be the guards at the concentration camps built be the next Dem president.

Yes, that last one is far fetched and probably won't happen. But the people in 1920s Germany never thought it would happen there either.

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Not far fetched at all. They are machievellian lemmings. Their religion is progressive dystopia. They absolutely will gladly persecute and imprison Christians in the near future when they get control. That is who the left is today.

And Progressive "Christians" will join in or support the persecution of traditional Christians. You got a glimpse of their character during covid. From a spiritual perspective, I think most Progressive "Christians" will burn in hell for their disdain of scripture, the rewriting of Jesus, their worship of secular love and self, and their strong desire to lead others away from traditional Christianity.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I have been married twice each for 13 years. The first one ended because after getting married at 15 and 14 I think we just got tired of each other. I would have never divorced had I not gotten custody of our three kids, ages 2,3 and 13. All my children are from my first marriage.

I got remarried about 5 years later. We were also married 13 yeqrs. She had lost a teenage daughter iin a car wreck right before we met. I didnt realize the the pain and suffering she was carrying. The roller coaster of her emotional problems finally overcame us and we parted.

That about sums it up. There have been lots of other women. After grinding out being a man at 15 and carrying so much responsibility for so many my life has been unconventional. Its been a great ride.

I dont see what this has to do with you deny being an aggy but I really dont blame you.

PS. When you change user names the join date and the post count dont change. Anyone can click
on your name and see you became a member way back when the new site opened, 2017. Kia Bear has not been here 8 years.

6,621 posts since you joined
4,150 as Kia Bear

You joined in 2017 and your first post as KB was 3/2023. So you joined and waited 7 years to post or you are Canadian Aggy.

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Interesting

With you constant references to sexual adventures would have guessed cheating would have been involved.

But you didn't mention such activities so it didn't happen.

Tracking other contributors posts is more than a little weird. But for you it seems to fit.

For the last time.

I am not an aggie.

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The tracking took all of 5 minutes. You joined when the board changed in 2017 but didnt post till 2223. You have mentioned things from before that on the old board.There used to an aggie that posted. Strong Catholic, spent time working with homeless shelters, sold his large rqnch in south texas, , doted on his grandchildren, made big money renting expensive houses. He went by Canadian Aggie. We exchanged some long letters and he provided me with some very good insight. I admired him even though our lives and goals were very different. Yeah prolly lots of those guys on this board.

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KaiBear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I have been married twice each for 13 years. The first one ended because after getting married at 15 and 14 I think we just got tired of each other. I would have never divorced had I not gotten custody of our three kids, ages 2,3 and 13. All my children are from my first marriage.

I got remarried about 5 years later. We were also married 13 yeqrs. She had lost a teenage daughter iin a car wreck right before we met. I didnt realize the the pain and suffering she was carrying. The roller coaster of her emotional problems finally overcame us and we parted.

That about sums it up. There have been lots of other women. After grinding out being a man at 15 and carrying so much responsibility for so many my life has been unconventional. Its been a great ride.

I dont see what this has to do with you deny being an aggy but I really dont blame you.

PS. When you change user names the join date and the post count dont change. Anyone can click
on your name and see you became a member way back when the new site opened, 2017. Kia Bear has not been here 8 years.

6,621 posts since you joined
4,150 as Kia Bear

You joined in 2017 and your first post as KB was 3/2023. So you joined and waited 7 years to post or you are Canadian Aggy.

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Interesting

With you constant references to sexual adventures would have guessed cheating would have been involved.

But you didn't mention such activities so it didn't happen.

Tracking other contributors posts is more than a little weird. But for you it seems to fit.

For the last time.

I am not an aggie.

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The tracking took all of 5 minutes. You joined when the board changed in 2017 but didnt post till 2223. You have mentioned things from before that on the old board.There used to an aggie that posted. Strong Catholic, spent time working with homeless shelters, sold his large rqnch in south texas, , doted on his grandchildren, made big money renting expensive houses. Yeah prolly lots of those guys on this board.

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Have been relatively patient on this obsession of your for months now.

But have grown bored with it.

Especially coming as it does from someone whose narcissism is so flagrant.

Resume your 3rd world ***** hunting and pretend you are a sexual dynamo. At your age you should have better priorities but that's just who you are.

$TSLA is in the low $200s while we’re on the brink of:
Robotaxis, affordable models, record energy deployments, mass Model Y deliveries, FSD expanding in China & Europe, potential FSD licensing deals, new markets (India, Saudi), and Tesla Bot updates…So time to buy is now…

— Opportunities Galore | MONEY Moves (@cx_tash) March 20, 2025

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$TSLA is in the low $200s while we’re on the brink of:
Robotaxis, affordable models, record energy deployments, mass Model Y deliveries, FSD expanding in China & Europe, potential FSD licensing deals, new markets (India, Saudi), and Tesla Bot updates…So time to buy is now…

— Opportunities Galore | MONEY Moves (@cx_tash) March 20, 2025

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Attacks on his cars are going to accelerate as the Dems are encouraging it.

So the stock might continue to drop in the coming weeks.

But would certainly consider buying some by fall.

glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Would you mind sharing why you would wish a major US car company to tank and have thousands of workers potentially lose their jobs ?

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J.R. said:

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Do you have to ask? Its simple: TDS

And the media are all lying about it https://t.co/q8nqbqcotV

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) February 27, 2025

More empty buildings
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6370169394112

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Don't like Musk and his handling of DOGE cutting people's jobs indiscriminately. I don't like anyone losing their jobs. Don't care for EVs in my line of work as EVs are just as harmful to the environment as as ICEV's due to rare earth mining and practices . Don't like the perpetual govt subsidies is the most thing I do not like. Companies should be able to succeed and fail on their own. Ridiculous valuation for NO profit. Having said all that, I have only ridden in 2 Teslas and they seemed like good cars that has some serious get up and go. I don't agree with the left vandalism of Tesla's. Other ways to get your point across about ole Muskrat.

‼️EXCLUSIVE‼️

BOSTON @Tesla Takedown Organizer Identified As Paula Oakes, a Democrat Music Teacher At Public Schools in Wellesley, Massachusetts

Paula Oakes of Roslindale, Massachusetts, a violin teacher at Wellesley Public Schools has been organizing Tesla Takedowns against… pic.twitter.com/vDQiRTPO7c

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) March 19, 2025

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J.R. said:

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Would you mind sharing why you would wish a major US car company to tank and have thousands of workers potentially lose their jobs ?

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Don't like Musk and his handling of DOGE cutting people's jobs indiscriminately. I don't like anyone losing their jobs. Don't care for EVs in my line of work as EVs are just as harmful to the environment as as ICEV's due to rare earth mining and practices . Don't like the perpetual govt subsidies is the most thing I do not like. Companies should be able to succeed and fail on their own. Ridiculous valuation for NO profit. Having said all that, I have only ridden in 2 Teslas and they seemed like good cars that has some serious get up and go. I don't agree with the left vandalism of Tesla's. Other ways to get your point across about ole Muskrat.

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Were you this vocal when millions of people were losing their jobs because they wouldn't take the death jab? When they were getting kicked out of the military for not supporting Pfizer's profits?

Liar. Hypocrit.

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J.R. said:

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Would you mind sharing why you would wish a major US car company to tank and have thousands of workers potentially lose their jobs ?

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Don't like Musk and his handling of DOGE cutting people's jobs indiscriminately. I don't like anyone losing their jobs. Don't care for EVs in my line of work as EVs are just as harmful to the environment as as ICEV's due to rare earth mining and practices . Don't like the perpetual govt subsidies is the most thing I do not like. Companies should be able to succeed and fail on their own. Ridiculous valuation for NO profit. Having said all that, I have only ridden in 2 Teslas and they seemed like good cars that has some serious get up and go. I don't agree with the left vandalism of Tesla's. Other ways to get your point across about ole Muskrat.

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Appreciate your response.

However other American car companies and their unions have gotten billions of dollars in bail outs.

Clearly there is a huge amount of fraud and waste in the Federal bureaucracy. I am glad cuts are being made.

I honestly believe the only real 'sin' Musk has committed…is that he is currently a huge supporter of Trump.

And when that ends ( as it inevitably will ) Musk will magically be transformed into a figure Trump haters will appreciate.

VANDALISM UPDATE as of 7pm Pacific Wednesday 3/19. Thanks to your help, we now have two of six confirmed charged or arrested. We thought we had Colorado today, but that was actually another case that was opened and shut in the same day. So the woman is still at large. Keep… pic.twitter.com/TH37Dgz35G

— Spotted Model: Cars & Tech (@spotted_model) March 20, 2025

What are the statistics on trans violence?

The probability of a trans person being violent appears to be vastly higher than non-trans.

Hormone injections cause extreme emotional volatility. That is simply a fact. https://t.co/MSvft9fZgb

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 20, 2025

Oh, they'll walk right up to the line—but always with just enough plausible deniability.

As deranged leftists open fire on Tesla dealerships, they'll post articles titled "Kill Tesla" with pictures of burning cars, and then claim that they were just talking about a boycott. pic.twitter.com/BslJcnw30U

— Eric Schmitt (@Eric_Schmitt) March 20, 2025

🚨‼️Can anyone identify this man?
Let’s make him famous in the news and on the internet. He broke the glass on this Cybertruck while the owner was volunteering for a parade on in New Orleans. He needs to be identified, please share.

pic.twitter.com/MgKZEwlDa8

— Gail Alfar (@GailAlfarATX) March 20, 2025

Cleaning up the fraud file https://t.co/e6PA7kmH9u

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 20, 2025

BREAKING:
A federal judge has ruled than @DOGE must resurrect the 3.2 million dead Americans.

— James Stephenson (@ICannot_Enough) March 20, 2025

Musk; a million men on Mars in 20 years. I don't know if it can be done but you have to admire his chutzpah!

pic.twitter.com/63EgYBbBTv

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 20, 2025

I've seen Democrats on TV for the past week scream Elon Musk, Musk, Musk, Musk, Musk.. what's funny to me is you're mad at the guy who found the fraud, but not mad at people that wasted your money.. ~ Wesley Hunt

And they wonder why they're polling numbers are in the 20's pic.twitter.com/iwdLpElDTG

— @Chicago1Ray 🇺🇸 (@Chicago1Ray) March 18, 2025

Married A Horn said:

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J.R. said:

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KaiBear said:

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J.R. said:

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Would you mind sharing why you would wish a major US car company to tank and have thousands of workers potentially lose their jobs ?

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Don't like Musk and his handling of DOGE cutting people's jobs indiscriminately. I don't like anyone losing their jobs. Don't care for EVs in my line of work as EVs are just as harmful to the environment as as ICEV's due to rare earth mining and practices . Don't like the perpetual govt subsidies is the most thing I do not like. Companies should be able to succeed and fail on their own. Ridiculous valuation for NO profit. Having said all that, I have only ridden in 2 Teslas and they seemed like good cars that has some serious get up and go. I don't agree with the left vandalism of Tesla's. Other ways to get your point across about ole Muskrat.

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Were you this vocal when millions of people were losing their jobs because they wouldn't take the death jab? When they were getting kicked out of the military for not supporting Pfizer's profits?

Liar. Hypocrit.

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Nope, if someone is a science denier, that this their business. They have a choice, just like Tesla owners. How's your Lesbian wife? Haven't checked in a while.

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J.R. said:

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Would you mind sharing why you would wish a major US car company to tank and have thousands of workers potentially lose their jobs ?

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Don't like Musk and his handling of DOGE cutting people's jobs indiscriminately. I don't like anyone losing their jobs. Don't care for EVs in my line of work as EVs are just as harmful to the environment as as ICEV's due to rare earth mining and practices . Don't like the perpetual govt subsidies is the most thing I do not like. Companies should be able to succeed and fail on their own. Ridiculous valuation for NO profit. Having said all that, I have only ridden in 2 Teslas and they seemed like good cars that has some serious get up and go. I don't agree with the left vandalism of Tesla's. Other ways to get your point across about ole Muskrat.

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Appreciate your response.

However other American car companies and their unions have gotten billions of dollars in bail outs.

Clearly there is a huge amount of fraud and waste in the Federal bureaucracy. I am glad cuts are being made.

I honestly believe the only real 'sin' Musk has committed…is that he is currently a huge supporter of Trump.

And when that ends ( as it inevitably will ) Musk will magically be transformed into a figure Trump haters will appreciate.

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don't disagree on but companies and subsidies. I just don't like them.

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J.R. said:

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Would you mind sharing why you would wish a major US car company to tank and have thousands of workers potentially lose their jobs ?

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Don't like Musk and his handling of DOGE cutting people's jobs indiscriminately. I don't like anyone losing their jobs. Don't care for EVs in my line of work as EVs are just as harmful to the environment as as ICEV's due to rare earth mining and practices . Don't like the perpetual govt subsidies is the most thing I do not like. Companies should be able to succeed and fail on their own. Ridiculous valuation for NO profit. Having said all that, I have only ridden in 2 Teslas and they seemed like good cars that has some serious get up and go. I don't agree with the left vandalism of Tesla's. Other ways to get your point across about ole Muskrat.

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Appreciate your response.

However other American car companies and their unions have gotten billions of dollars in bail outs.

Clearly there is a huge amount of fraud and waste in the Federal bureaucracy. I am glad cuts are being made.

I honestly believe the only real 'sin' Musk has committed…is that he is currently a huge supporter of Trump.

And when that ends ( as it inevitably will ) Musk will magically be transformed into a figure Trump haters will appreciate.

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don't disagree on but companies and subsidies. I just don't like them.

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Few like government subsidies.....unless they are on the receiving end of them.

Meanwhile selective district courts are obviously being utilized to slow down Trump's agenda. Dems latest version of lawfare..

And like it or not Trump was duly elected while promising the people to do...exactly what he is trying to do.

I don't like the Dem's obstructing the will of the people.

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Would you mind sharing why you would wish a major US car company to tank and have thousands of workers potentially lose their jobs ?

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Don't like Musk and his handling of DOGE cutting people's jobs indiscriminately. I don't like anyone losing their jobs. Don't care for EVs in my line of work as EVs are just as harmful to the environment as as ICEV's due to rare earth mining and practices . Don't like the perpetual govt subsidies is the most thing I do not like. Companies should be able to succeed and fail on their own. Ridiculous valuation for NO profit. Having said all that, I have only ridden in 2 Teslas and they seemed like good cars that has some serious get up and go. I don't agree with the left vandalism of Tesla's. Other ways to get your point across about ole Muskrat.

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Appreciate your response.

However other American car companies and their unions have gotten billions of dollars in bail outs.

Clearly there is a huge amount of fraud and waste in the Federal bureaucracy. I am glad cuts are being made.

I honestly believe the only real 'sin' Musk has committed…is that he is currently a huge supporter of Trump.

And when that ends ( as it inevitably will ) Musk will magically be transformed into a figure Trump haters will appreciate.

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So now we are for bail outs? TESLA getting sweet heart deal? I thought DOGE was about NOT doing what we did in the past?

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First, I noticed you didn't cite your "source".

It's irrelevant, because you remain oblivious to the key point I made - absolutely no rich person is keeping you from making your own wealth. I understand you may actually believe that crap spewed from Leftist party elites, but especially in America, you can be successful on your own work.

Trump never has or will keep you poor. Neither has or will Musk.

If you have failed to be economically successful and want to know who to blame, go take a hard look in the mirror, Porteroso.

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You have so much hatred, you just assume I must be a failure and am complaining about my own situation. So dumb.

And well known statistics don't need sources, they are easy to fact check. If you're on a computer, highlight the text, right click, web search. It's that easy.

And the state of socioeconomics is not irrelevant just because you have your own opinion... On a micro scale, individual by individual, you are right that rich people don't prevent anyone else from becoming rich.

On a macro scale, these shifts, the depletion of the middle class, the number of poor growing, while the ultra wealthy are doing better than ever, it's a big deal. And as you admitted already, it would be a problem for all the wealth to be concentrated.

I'm not even asking you for the answer, or offering up the answer to the problem myself. I was simply stating a fact, that nobody wants wealth to be ultra concentrated at the top 1%, while the rest of us decline. All I get from you is baseless senseless attacks. You are so dumb.

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I've seen Democrats on TV for the past week scream Elon Musk, Musk, Musk, Musk, Musk.. what's funny to me is you're mad at the guy who found the fraud, but not mad at people that wasted your money.. ~ Wesley Hunt

And they wonder why they're polling numbers are in the 20's pic.twitter.com/iwdLpElDTG

— @Chicago1Ray 🇺🇸 (@Chicago1Ray) March 18, 2025

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They actually think Elon is making it all up. And they are laughing at Republicans for believing everything DOGE says. I think Elon needs to be putting quite a bit more effort into proving the fraud.

The scale of the government is just too big, none of us has a handle on everything that goes on. So it's easy for one person to say 50bn fraud here, 500m fraud there, and another to say they're lying. We need concrete evidence, and that evidence needs to be easily accessible to the citizens. It looks like the DOGE website might be going that direction, but it's just numbers, and they are too slow. Last I checked it said the proof was a work in progress.

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First, I noticed you didn't cite your "source".

It's irrelevant, because you remain oblivious to the key point I made - absolutely no rich person is keeping you from making your own wealth. I understand you may actually believe that crap spewed from Leftist party elites, but especially in America, you can be successful on your own work.

Trump never has or will keep you poor. Neither has or will Musk.

If you have failed to be economically successful and want to know who to blame, go take a hard look in the mirror, Porteroso.

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You have so much hatred, you just assume I must be a failure and am complaining about my own situation. So dumb.

And well known statistics don't need sources, they are easy to fact check. If you're on a computer, highlight the text, right click, web search. It's that easy.

And the state of socioeconomics is not irrelevant just because you have your own opinion... On a micro scale, individual by individual, you are right that rich people don't prevent anyone else from becoming rich.

On a macro scale, these shifts, the depletion of the middle class, the number of poor growing, while the ultra wealthy are doing better than ever, it's a big deal. And as you admitted already, it would be a problem for all the wealth to be concentrated.

I'm not even asking you for the answer, or offering up the answer to the problem myself. I was simply stating a fact, that nobody wants wealth to be ultra concentrated at the top 1%, while the rest of us decline. All I get from you is baseless senseless attacks. You are so dumb.

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spot on. He is just hate filled, self loathing, sanctimonious , bitter individual who does nothing but blame others and play the "victim" as those "marxist, leftists, democrats , and fascists are out to get him.

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J.R. said:

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Would you mind sharing why you would wish a major US car company to tank and have thousands of workers potentially lose their jobs ?

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Don't like Musk and his handling of DOGE cutting people's jobs indiscriminately. I don't like anyone losing their jobs. Don't care for EVs in my line of work as EVs are just as harmful to the environment as as ICEV's due to rare earth mining and practices . Don't like the perpetual govt subsidies is the most thing I do not like. Companies should be able to succeed and fail on their own. Ridiculous valuation for NO profit. Having said all that, I have only ridden in 2 Teslas and they seemed like good cars that has some serious get up and go. I don't agree with the left vandalism of Tesla's. Other ways to get your point across about ole Muskrat.

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Appreciate your response.

However other American car companies and their unions have gotten billions of dollars in bail outs.

Clearly there is a huge amount of fraud and waste in the Federal bureaucracy. I am glad cuts are being made.

I honestly believe the only real 'sin' Musk has committed…is that he is currently a huge supporter of Trump.

And when that ends ( as it inevitably will ) Musk will magically be transformed into a figure Trump haters will appreciate.

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So now we are for bail outs? TESLA getting sweet heart deal? I thought DOGE was about NOT doing what we did in the past?

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Junping to an early conclusion.

DOGE is doing a much needed job. Stay focused on the big prize.

KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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J.R. said:

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Would you mind sharing why you would wish a major US car company to tank and have thousands of workers potentially lose their jobs ?

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Don't like Musk and his handling of DOGE cutting people's jobs indiscriminately. I don't like anyone losing their jobs. Don't care for EVs in my line of work as EVs are just as harmful to the environment as as ICEV's due to rare earth mining and practices . Don't like the perpetual govt subsidies is the most thing I do not like. Companies should be able to succeed and fail on their own. Ridiculous valuation for NO profit. Having said all that, I have only ridden in 2 Teslas and they seemed like good cars that has some serious get up and go. I don't agree with the left vandalism of Tesla's. Other ways to get your point across about ole Muskrat.

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Appreciate your response.

However other American car companies and their unions have gotten billions of dollars in bail outs.

Clearly there is a huge amount of fraud and waste in the Federal bureaucracy. I am glad cuts are being made.

I honestly believe the only real 'sin' Musk has committed…is that he is currently a huge supporter of Trump.

And when that ends ( as it inevitably will ) Musk will magically be transformed into a figure Trump haters will appreciate.

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So now we are for bail outs? TESLA getting sweet heart deal? I thought DOGE was about NOT doing what we did in the past?

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Junping to an early conclusion.

DOGE is doing a much needed job. Stay focused on the big prize.

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I do agree. Needed and tough, which is why there needs to be no appearance of impropriety. I do think in time the US public will appreciate it. BUT, if it looks like vengeance, payback or a mere shift from Biden's buddies to Trump's it will fall apart.

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Would you mind sharing why you would wish a major US car company to tank and have thousands of workers potentially lose their jobs ?

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Don't like Musk and his handling of DOGE cutting people's jobs indiscriminately. I don't like anyone losing their jobs. Don't care for EVs in my line of work as EVs are just as harmful to the environment as as ICEV's due to rare earth mining and practices . Don't like the perpetual govt subsidies is the most thing I do not like. Companies should be able to succeed and fail on their own. Ridiculous valuation for NO profit. Having said all that, I have only ridden in 2 Teslas and they seemed like good cars that has some serious get up and go. I don't agree with the left vandalism of Tesla's. Other ways to get your point across about ole Muskrat.

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Appreciate your response.

However other American car companies and their unions have gotten billions of dollars in bail outs.

Clearly there is a huge amount of fraud and waste in the Federal bureaucracy. I am glad cuts are being made.

I honestly believe the only real 'sin' Musk has committed…is that he is currently a huge supporter of Trump.

And when that ends ( as it inevitably will ) Musk will magically be transformed into a figure Trump haters will appreciate.

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So now we are for bail outs? TESLA getting sweet heart deal? I thought DOGE was about NOT doing what we did in the past?

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Junping to an early conclusion.

DOGE is doing a much needed job. Stay focused on the big prize.

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I do agree. Needed and tough, which is why there needs to be no appearance of impropriety. I do think in time the US public will appreciate it. BUT, if it looks like vengeance, payback or a mere shift from Biden's buddies to Trump's it will fall apart.

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If it falls apart it will be due to the Republicans who are stealing as much as the Democrats