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Starship Flight 11's launch is scheduled for Monday, October 13, 2025, at 7:15 p.m. EDT. The launch window will open at this time from the Starbase facility in Texas. You can watch a live stream, which will begin about 30 minutes before liftoff.

You can watch the launch live on YouTube:

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The second one has a really cool view of the Starship launch from a couple of F35s, high in the air

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This goes back to the valuation discussion. No data supporting an overnight jump, but now Starbucks is a success again, with no changes in actual product or service. Give him a 20M bonus.

You wonder why we are in trouble? We are living and dying based on Wall St jumps. Market has to move for those people to make money, so they will make moves - up and down. This is a good example.
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This goes back to the valuation discussion. No data supporting an overnight jump, but now Starbucks is a success again, with no changes in actual product or service. Give him a 20M bonus.

You wonder why we are in trouble? We are living and dying based on Wall St jumps. Market has to move for those people to make money, so they will make moves - up and down. This is a good example.

In my stock trading experience, I rely on the, smarter than I, guys. Never cared to own Starbucks as it sends to many funds to the left. They know what I like.
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This goes back to the valuation discussion. No data supporting an overnight jump, but now Starbucks is a success again, with no changes in actual product or service. Give him a 20M bonus.

You wonder why we are in trouble? We are living and dying based on Wall St jumps. Market has to move for those people to make money, so they will make moves - up and down. This is a good example.

In my stock trading experience, I rely on the, smarter than I, guys. Never cared to own Starbucks as it sends to many funds to the left. They know what I like.

My post is not about individual investing, naturally we will do what turns a profit. It is about our Nation as a whole and the ramifications of chasing profits by playing to Wall St metrics rather than focusing on what the company is supposed to do. No one asked if the coffee or service is better, just that the Street didn't like it so the stock went down. Off with his head... Read that Super AI book I listed and think about this. You would like it or at least think about it.
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So, if Elon gets to Mars first does he get to own Mars? Will future ships need permits from him to land?
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So, if Elon gets to Mars first does he get to own Mars? Will future ships need permits from him to land?

As humanity inches closer to setting foot on Mars, one big question keeps surfacing: Can anyone actually own land on the Red Planet? With billionaires building rockets and space agencies planning missions, the idea of staking a Martian land claim seems less like science fiction and more like a real possibility. But before you start shopping for a Martian vacation home, here's what the law actually says.

Mars Belongs to Everyone and No One

Back in 1967, long before Elon Musk or SpaceX were household names, the world's major powers signed a landmark agreement known as the Outer Space Treaty. This international accord, still in force today, lays out the rules for how space canand can'tbe used.

One of its core principles? No nation can claim sovereignty over any part of outer space, including Mars. In the eyes of the law, Mars is the "province of all mankind." It's free for exploration and use by allbut off-limits when it comes to ownership.

In other words, countries can land on Mars, build research stations, and explore as much as they like, but they can't plant a flag and call it theirs. No "Mars: Property of the USA" signs allowed.
Control Without Ownership

That doesn't mean countries have no rights at all in space. The treaty does allow nations to maintain jurisdiction and control over their own spacecraft, astronauts, and any facilities they establish on celestial bodies. So, if NASA sets up a base on Mars, it's still subject to U.S. lawsjust like an American embassy or a scientific station in Antarctica.

But the key point is this: control is not the same as ownership. The land beneath that Mars base still isn't legally theirs.

What About Those Mars Land Deeds?

You've probably seen themcompanies online offering to sell you a plot of Martian land for a small fee, complete with an official-looking deed. Sounds like a great gift or novelty item, right?

Sure, but don't confuse it with legal ownership. These "sales" are purely symbolic and carry no legal weight whatsoever. No government on Earth recognizes private property rights on Marsor anywhere else in space, for that matter.

These novelty deeds are essentially fundraising gimmicks or fun souvenirs. Buying one doesn't give you any actual claim to Martian soil.

The Final Frontier of Property Rights

As missions to Mars become more realand private companies get involved in space travelinternational lawyers and policymakers are starting to wrestle with what the future might look like. Should we develop new space laws to allow property rights? How can we balance commercial interests with the idea of space as a shared domain?

For now, though, the rules are clear: Mars doesn't belong to anyone. And until the law changes, that dream of owning your own red-tinged ranch will have to stay firmly grounded on Earth.


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So, if Elon gets to Mars first does he get to own Mars? Will future ships need permits from him to land?

As humanity inches closer to setting foot on Mars, one big question keeps surfacing: Can anyone actually own land on the Red Planet? With billionaires building rockets and space agencies planning missions, the idea of staking a Martian land claim seems less like science fiction and more like a real possibility. But before you start shopping for a Martian vacation home, here's what the law actually says.

Mars Belongs to Everyone and No One

Back in 1967, long before Elon Musk or SpaceX were household names, the world's major powers signed a landmark agreement known as the Outer Space Treaty. This international accord, still in force today, lays out the rules for how space canand can'tbe used.

One of its core principles? No nation can claim sovereignty over any part of outer space, including Mars. In the eyes of the law, Mars is the "province of all mankind." It's free for exploration and use by allbut off-limits when it comes to ownership.

In other words, countries can land on Mars, build research stations, and explore as much as they like, but they can't plant a flag and call it theirs. No "Mars: Property of the USA" signs allowed.
Control Without Ownership

That doesn't mean countries have no rights at all in space. The treaty does allow nations to maintain jurisdiction and control over their own spacecraft, astronauts, and any facilities they establish on celestial bodies. So, if NASA sets up a base on Mars, it's still subject to U.S. lawsjust like an American embassy or a scientific station in Antarctica.

But the key point is this: control is not the same as ownership. The land beneath that Mars base still isn't legally theirs.

What About Those Mars Land Deeds?

You've probably seen themcompanies online offering to sell you a plot of Martian land for a small fee, complete with an official-looking deed. Sounds like a great gift or novelty item, right?

Sure, but don't confuse it with legal ownership. These "sales" are purely symbolic and carry no legal weight whatsoever. No government on Earth recognizes private property rights on Marsor anywhere else in space, for that matter.

These novelty deeds are essentially fundraising gimmicks or fun souvenirs. Buying one doesn't give you any actual claim to Martian soil.

The Final Frontier of Property Rights

As missions to Mars become more realand private companies get involved in space travelinternational lawyers and policymakers are starting to wrestle with what the future might look like. Should we develop new space laws to allow property rights? How can we balance commercial interests with the idea of space as a shared domain?

For now, though, the rules are clear: Mars doesn't belong to anyone. And until the law changes, that dream of owning your own red-tinged ranch will have to stay firmly grounded on Earth.




Like the old West, won't mean anything until they are able to enforce it. Does China or the US believe they have to answer to International Law? Will be interesting.
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So, if Elon gets to Mars first does he get to own Mars? Will future ships need permits from him to land?

As humanity inches closer to setting foot on Mars, one big question keeps surfacing: Can anyone actually own land on the Red Planet? With billionaires building rockets and space agencies planning missions, the idea of staking a Martian land claim seems less like science fiction and more like a real possibility. But before you start shopping for a Martian vacation home, here's what the law actually says.

Mars Belongs to Everyone and No One

Back in 1967, long before Elon Musk or SpaceX were household names, the world's major powers signed a landmark agreement known as the Outer Space Treaty. This international accord, still in force today, lays out the rules for how space canand can'tbe used.

One of its core principles? No nation can claim sovereignty over any part of outer space, including Mars. In the eyes of the law, Mars is the "province of all mankind." It's free for exploration and use by allbut off-limits when it comes to ownership.

In other words, countries can land on Mars, build research stations, and explore as much as they like, but they can't plant a flag and call it theirs. No "Mars: Property of the USA" signs allowed.
Control Without Ownership

That doesn't mean countries have no rights at all in space. The treaty does allow nations to maintain jurisdiction and control over their own spacecraft, astronauts, and any facilities they establish on celestial bodies. So, if NASA sets up a base on Mars, it's still subject to U.S. lawsjust like an American embassy or a scientific station in Antarctica.

But the key point is this: control is not the same as ownership. The land beneath that Mars base still isn't legally theirs.

What About Those Mars Land Deeds?

You've probably seen themcompanies online offering to sell you a plot of Martian land for a small fee, complete with an official-looking deed. Sounds like a great gift or novelty item, right?

Sure, but don't confuse it with legal ownership. These "sales" are purely symbolic and carry no legal weight whatsoever. No government on Earth recognizes private property rights on Marsor anywhere else in space, for that matter.

These novelty deeds are essentially fundraising gimmicks or fun souvenirs. Buying one doesn't give you any actual claim to Martian soil.

The Final Frontier of Property Rights

As missions to Mars become more realand private companies get involved in space travelinternational lawyers and policymakers are starting to wrestle with what the future might look like. Should we develop new space laws to allow property rights? How can we balance commercial interests with the idea of space as a shared domain?

For now, though, the rules are clear: Mars doesn't belong to anyone. And until the law changes, that dream of owning your own red-tinged ranch will have to stay firmly grounded on Earth.




Like the old West, won't mean anything until they are able to enforce it. Does China or the US believe they have to answer to International Law? Will be interesting.


Reality will set in when mining and manufacturing start happening on the moon and mars. There will be a change when things go from research and exploration to colonization.
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So, if Elon gets to Mars first does he get to own Mars? Will future ships need permits from him to land?

As humanity inches closer to setting foot on Mars, one big question keeps surfacing: Can anyone actually own land on the Red Planet? With billionaires building rockets and space agencies planning missions, the idea of staking a Martian land claim seems less like science fiction and more like a real possibility. But before you start shopping for a Martian vacation home, here's what the law actually says.

Mars Belongs to Everyone and No One

Back in 1967, long before Elon Musk or SpaceX were household names, the world's major powers signed a landmark agreement known as the Outer Space Treaty. This international accord, still in force today, lays out the rules for how space canand can'tbe used.

One of its core principles? No nation can claim sovereignty over any part of outer space, including Mars. In the eyes of the law, Mars is the "province of all mankind." It's free for exploration and use by allbut off-limits when it comes to ownership.

In other words, countries can land on Mars, build research stations, and explore as much as they like, but they can't plant a flag and call it theirs. No "Mars: Property of the USA" signs allowed.
Control Without Ownership

That doesn't mean countries have no rights at all in space. The treaty does allow nations to maintain jurisdiction and control over their own spacecraft, astronauts, and any facilities they establish on celestial bodies. So, if NASA sets up a base on Mars, it's still subject to U.S. lawsjust like an American embassy or a scientific station in Antarctica.

But the key point is this: control is not the same as ownership. The land beneath that Mars base still isn't legally theirs.

What About Those Mars Land Deeds?

You've probably seen themcompanies online offering to sell you a plot of Martian land for a small fee, complete with an official-looking deed. Sounds like a great gift or novelty item, right?

Sure, but don't confuse it with legal ownership. These "sales" are purely symbolic and carry no legal weight whatsoever. No government on Earth recognizes private property rights on Marsor anywhere else in space, for that matter.

These novelty deeds are essentially fundraising gimmicks or fun souvenirs. Buying one doesn't give you any actual claim to Martian soil.

The Final Frontier of Property Rights

As missions to Mars become more realand private companies get involved in space travelinternational lawyers and policymakers are starting to wrestle with what the future might look like. Should we develop new space laws to allow property rights? How can we balance commercial interests with the idea of space as a shared domain?

For now, though, the rules are clear: Mars doesn't belong to anyone. And until the law changes, that dream of owning your own red-tinged ranch will have to stay firmly grounded on Earth.




Like the old West, won't mean anything until they are able to enforce it. Does China or the US believe they have to answer to International Law? Will be interesting.


Reality will set in when mining and manufacturing start happening on the moon and mars. There will be a change when things go from research and exploration to colonization.

You have that right. Once investments are made, they are not giving up those rights...
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Then the Prison budget has to go up. Or, we move toward executions.

Maybe we put them on cigarette boats off Venezuela and control the throttle. Efficiency, it is not only a deterrent and reduces prison cost, but it is a great Fox News piece.
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Then the Prison budget has to go up. Or, we move toward executions.

Maybe we put them on cigarette boats off Venezuela and control the throttle. Efficiency, it is not only a deterrent and reduces prison cost, but it is a great Fox News piece.

Not sure what Fox News has to do with getting rid of Fentanyl coming into the US, but as to your other assertion, I have no problem with executing folks that have been on Death Row for decades. That will clear some space. And many of them are ready to go.
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Then the Prison budget has to go up. Or, we move toward executions.

Maybe we put them on cigarette boats off Venezuela and control the throttle. Efficiency, it is not only a deterrent and reduces prison cost, but it is a great Fox News piece.

Not sure what Fox News has to do with getting rid of Fentanyl coming into the US, but as to your other assertion, I have no problem with executing folks that have been on Death Row for decades. That will clear some space. And many of them are ready to go.

Foxnews, good old fashioned entertainment.
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A billionaire that actually does good with his money

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Now that's some desperate housewives!
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