You two deserve each other .

Meanwhile, life for those who fear the Lord is good.

Go ahead and gnash your teeth, if you want.

More Liberal Terrorism... some day maybe MSM will act on this before it gets worse

Who is he? pic.twitter.com/eLwZx7ONPN

— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) March 21, 2025

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glad Tesla is tanking for a multitude of reasons. Always good to turn a profit in business, which Tesla hasn't, ever, even with govt subsidies.

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Would you mind sharing why you would wish a major US car company to tank and have thousands of workers potentially lose their jobs ?

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Don't like Musk and his handling of DOGE cutting people's jobs indiscriminately. I don't like anyone losing their jobs. Don't care for EVs in my line of work as EVs are just as harmful to the environment as as ICEV's due to rare earth mining and practices . Don't like the perpetual govt subsidies is the most thing I do not like. Companies should be able to succeed and fail on their own. Ridiculous valuation for NO profit. Having said all that, I have only ridden in 2 Teslas and they seemed like good cars that has some serious get up and go. I don't agree with the left vandalism of Tesla's. Other ways to get your point across about ole Muskrat.

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Appreciate your response.

However other American car companies and their unions have gotten billions of dollars in bail outs.

Clearly there is a huge amount of fraud and waste in the Federal bureaucracy. I am glad cuts are being made.

I honestly believe the only real 'sin' Musk has committed…is that he is currently a huge supporter of Trump.

And when that ends ( as it inevitably will ) Musk will magically be transformed into a figure Trump haters will appreciate.

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So now we are for bail outs? TESLA getting sweet heart deal? I thought DOGE was about NOT doing what we did in the past?

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Junping to an early conclusion.

DOGE is doing a much needed job. Stay focused on the big prize.

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I do agree. Needed and tough, which is why there needs to be no appearance of impropriety. I do think in time the US public will appreciate it. BUT, if it looks like vengeance, payback or a mere shift from Biden's buddies to Trump's it will fall apart.

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If it falls apart it will be due to the Republicans who are stealing as much as the Democrats

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Don't disagree...

Left GOP long ago. Been an IND for close to 20 years.

Many all-star engineers are taking major pay cuts (sometimes to zero) and suffering from harassment, including death threats, to help the country with @DOGE, because they love America 🇺🇸

pic.twitter.com/wDyz04c6bN

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 21, 2025

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You two deserve each other .

Meanwhile, life for those who fear the Lord is good.

Go ahead and gnash your teeth, if you want.

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You aren't able to respond or engage?

When Conservatives are upset at a company we simply stop buying from them.

Bud Light went woke? We find another beer. Target sells tucking swimwear for kids? We shop somewhere else. Disney grooms kids? We stop watching their stuff.

When Democrats want to boycott Tesla because…

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) March 20, 2025

NEW — On March 19, a masked male suspect hunted down a woman for driving a Tesla in the Seattle area.

The suspect allegedly followed the victim, cut her off, stopped in the middle of the road, exited his vehicle, and demanded she sell her Tesla, stating it was a "Nazi" car.… pic.twitter.com/ihnhV67pPV

— Katie Daviscourt 📸 (@KatieDaviscourt) March 21, 2025

The ultimate master plan of @Tesla is to create sustainable abundance for all https://t.co/r2gUd4h2jw

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 21, 2025

NEW:

COMPILED BY @LauraLoomer @CcpSkipTracer @LoomerUnleashed

‼️‼️THERE ARE 6 ANTI-AMERICAN, RADICAL MARXIST @TESLA TAKEDOWN EVENTS, SCHEDULED FOR FRIDAY, MARCH 21, 2025 IN TENNESSEE, CALIFORNIA, VERMONT, UTAH & OHIO. PLEASE KEEP AN EYE ON THESE COMMUNIST ORGANIZERS AND… pic.twitter.com/ABm8xECvhF

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) March 21, 2025

Of course I engage. You just ignore or mock my posts when I do.

Oldbear83 said:

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Of course I engage. You just ignore or mock my posts when I do.

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you get ignored because you spew hate, love to name call and are just snarky.

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Of course I engage. You just ignore or mock my posts when I do.

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Isn't it the other way around this time? I said it is a big problem for wealth to be uber concentrated, and you started in with personal attacks?

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Of course I engage. You just ignore or mock my posts when I do.

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Isn't it the other way around this time? I said it is a big problem for wealth to be uber concentrated, and you started in with personal attacks?

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Not at all. You made some unfounded claims, doubled down when I pointed out they were opinion, and now you are chortling with JR, mixing snide derision with a baffling habit of ignoring the facts.

We can go round and round all day with that game, but instead I will try again to help you see reason.

You found a place where someone said what you wanted to hear. There's a lot of that going around, of course, and it's not limited to one sort of opinion.

But step back and consider how anyone could quantify the true net worth of everyone. There are no standard records, for example of who owns the privately held land, or what that land is worth (stop and consider your own property taxes, versus what you could reasonably expect to get if you sold it, versus the value of the land if you use it for business growth, etc.).

Consider your stock portfolio, also. The value of that portfolio can change by the moment, and just consider how many people have 401k plans and what is going on with those.

Then consider liquid assets. That's not just cash, even if you knew someone's aggregate bank balance you don't know how much they have in CDs, IRAs, Crypto, bonds, and so on.

My point is that for even a single individual you have to guess at what they are worth, and any honest appraisal includes a caveat that even nominal market volatility will change those numbers.

Then consider trying to guesstimate the net worth of hundreds of millions of people, which you have to do if you want to figure the total wealth of the population.

In the end, all those articles claiming someone or some group has x percent of all the wealth, they are just whining about someone having money.

Which brings me back to my main point: Someone else being rich does not keep you from being rich.

So there is no point to worrying about how much money someone else has, it misses the point completely.

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you get ignored because you spew hate, love to name call and are just snarky.

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I agree I can be snarky, but son the rest of that is a solid description of you.

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Of course I engage. You just ignore or mock my posts when I do.

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you get ignored because you spew hate, love to name call and are just snarky.

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I agree I can be snarky, but son the rest of that is a solid description of you.

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Can't believe you still don't have him on permanent Ignore OB. He's not gonna change no matter how much you want to try to train him. He's like Kristie Noem's dog.

🧵🧵Indivisible is definitely the ring leader of the Tesla Takedown domestic terrorism movement. They are the main organizers, they host the weekly calls to lay out their plans.

Today was one of them. The call was one hour and ten mins and had some very interesting moments.

I…

— Insurrection Barbie (@DefiyantlyFree) March 20, 2025

The New York Times is pure propaganda.

Also, I look forward to the prosecutions of those at the Pentagon who are leaking maliciously false information to NYT.

They will be found. pic.twitter.com/xANvLMOH5j

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 21, 2025

For years, Florida has been trying to return federal funds to the federal government due to the ideological strings attached by the Biden Administration—but they couldn't even figure out how to accept it. Today, I met with @elonmusk and the DOGE team, and we got this done in the… pic.twitter.com/uWyloPAhBU

— Ron DeSantis (@GovRonDeSantis) March 21, 2025

Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Of course I engage. You just ignore or mock my posts when I do.

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Isn't it the other way around this time? I said it is a big problem for wealth to be uber concentrated, and you started in with personal attacks?

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Not at all. You made some unfounded claims, doubled down when I pointed out they were opinion, and now you are chortling with JR, mixing snide derision with a baffling habit of ignoring the facts.

We can go round and round all day with that game, but instead I will try again to help you see reason.

You found a place where someone said what you wanted to hear. There's a lot of that going around, of course, and it's not limited to one sort of opinion.

But step back and consider how anyone could quantify the true net worth of everyone. There are no standard records, for example of who owns the privately held land, or what that land is worth (stop and consider your own property taxes, versus what you could reasonably expect to get if you sold it, versus the value of the land if you use it for business growth, etc.).

Consider your stock portfolio, also. The value of that portfolio can change by the moment, and just consider how many people have 401k plans and what is going on with those.

Then consider liquid assets. That's not just cash, even if you knew someone's aggregate bank balance you don't know how much they have in CDs, IRAs, Crypto, bonds, and so on.

My point is that for even a single individual you have to guess at what they are worth, and any honest appraisal includes a caveat that even nominal market volatility will change those numbers.

Then consider trying to guesstimate the net worth of hundreds of millions of people, which you have to do if you want to figure the total wealth of the population.

In the end, all those articles claiming someone or some group has x percent of all the wealth, they are just whining about someone having money.

Which brings me back to my main point: Someone else being rich does not keep you from being rich.

So there is no point to worrying about how much money someone else has, it misses the point completely.

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Well, I will take it one step further. Being rich, well off or successful does not mean they are correct on whatever they pontificate.

Many times, making money is more about what you are willing to do to make that money. My favorite is Vivek, selling failed vaccines as cures for other drugs. What a guy. I put him in the same category as the hedge fund guys, billionaires but slimier group I have never seen.

Dad had a gas station the most lucrative years were years with mechanics that knew how to sell. He made a lot of money, but ended up getting rid of them. Mechanics were technically right, car did run better with a new muffler system. But the person came in to fix a rattle that a simple bracket could have solved. It is in all industries.

I love how many on here are huge anti-Government, yet at various times were hooked up to the Government trough or benefited from Government intervention as much as anyone else. Think of an industry that got no benefit from Government or Government programs. Just in the conversations on here, shipping, banking, education, land development/homebuilding, finance, Ag, transportation, Government service... All are intertwined with legislation to help the industry.

Love self-made Farmers, wall has pictures with them with every President back to GHW Bush through their CoOp. MAGA through and through as subsidy check after subsidy check is cashed. Subsidies for dairy, subsidies for planting trees, subsidies for not planting fields, low interest loans for equipment, tax break for land trust, tax break to build homes on non-farmable property, Government sponsored trips to Europe, Africa and Asia to teach dairy. Yet, they are not getting anything from the Government, they are self-made. Pick an industry.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Of course I engage. You just ignore or mock my posts when I do.

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Isn't it the other way around this time? I said it is a big problem for wealth to be uber concentrated, and you started in with personal attacks?

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Not at all. You made some unfounded claims, doubled down when I pointed out they were opinion, and now you are chortling with JR, mixing snide derision with a baffling habit of ignoring the facts.

We can go round and round all day with that game, but instead I will try again to help you see reason.

You found a place where someone said what you wanted to hear. There's a lot of that going around, of course, and it's not limited to one sort of opinion.

But step back and consider how anyone could quantify the true net worth of everyone. There are no standard records, for example of who owns the privately held land, or what that land is worth (stop and consider your own property taxes, versus what you could reasonably expect to get if you sold it, versus the value of the land if you use it for business growth, etc.).

Consider your stock portfolio, also. The value of that portfolio can change by the moment, and just consider how many people have 401k plans and what is going on with those.

Then consider liquid assets. That's not just cash, even if you knew someone's aggregate bank balance you don't know how much they have in CDs, IRAs, Crypto, bonds, and so on.

My point is that for even a single individual you have to guess at what they are worth, and any honest appraisal includes a caveat that even nominal market volatility will change those numbers.

Then consider trying to guesstimate the net worth of hundreds of millions of people, which you have to do if you want to figure the total wealth of the population.

In the end, all those articles claiming someone or some group has x percent of all the wealth, they are just whining about someone having money.

Which brings me back to my main point: Someone else being rich does not keep you from being rich.

So there is no point to worrying about how much money someone else has, it misses the point completely.

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Well, I will take it one step further. Being rich, well off or successful does not mean they are correct on whatever they pontificate.

Many times, making money is more about what you are willing to do to make that money. My favorite is Vivek, selling failed vaccines as cures for other drugs. What a guy. I put him in the same category as the hedge fund guys, billionaires but slimier group I have never seen.

Dad had a gas station the most lucrative years were years with mechanics that knew how to sell. He made a lot of money, but ended up getting rid of them. Mechanics were technically right, car did run better with a new muffler system. But the person came in to fix a rattle that a simple bracket could have solved. It is in all industries.

I love how many on here are huge anti-Government, yet at various times were hooked up to the Government trough or benefited from Government intervention as much as anyone else. Think of an industry that got no benefit from Government or Government programs. Just in the conversations on here, shipping, banking, education, land development/homebuilding, finance, Ag, transportation, Government service... All are intertwined with legislation to help the industry.

Love self-made Farmers, wall has pictures with them with every President back to GHW Bush through their CoOp. MAGA through and through as subsidy check after subsidy check is cashed. Subsidies for dairy, subsidies for planting trees, subsidies for not planting fields, low interest loans for equipment, tax break for land trust, tax break to build homes on non-farmable property, Government sponsored trips to Europe, Africa and Asia to teach dairy. Yet, they are not getting anything from the Government, they are self-made. Pick an industry.

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In my opinion the trick is not to envy anyone's wealth. As there is always someone else richer than you.

Be content with what you have and be grateful for your life.

KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Of course I engage. You just ignore or mock my posts when I do.

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Isn't it the other way around this time? I said it is a big problem for wealth to be uber concentrated, and you started in with personal attacks?

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Not at all. You made some unfounded claims, doubled down when I pointed out they were opinion, and now you are chortling with JR, mixing snide derision with a baffling habit of ignoring the facts.

We can go round and round all day with that game, but instead I will try again to help you see reason.

You found a place where someone said what you wanted to hear. There's a lot of that going around, of course, and it's not limited to one sort of opinion.

But step back and consider how anyone could quantify the true net worth of everyone. There are no standard records, for example of who owns the privately held land, or what that land is worth (stop and consider your own property taxes, versus what you could reasonably expect to get if you sold it, versus the value of the land if you use it for business growth, etc.).

Consider your stock portfolio, also. The value of that portfolio can change by the moment, and just consider how many people have 401k plans and what is going on with those.

Then consider liquid assets. That's not just cash, even if you knew someone's aggregate bank balance you don't know how much they have in CDs, IRAs, Crypto, bonds, and so on.

My point is that for even a single individual you have to guess at what they are worth, and any honest appraisal includes a caveat that even nominal market volatility will change those numbers.

Then consider trying to guesstimate the net worth of hundreds of millions of people, which you have to do if you want to figure the total wealth of the population.

In the end, all those articles claiming someone or some group has x percent of all the wealth, they are just whining about someone having money.

Which brings me back to my main point: Someone else being rich does not keep you from being rich.

So there is no point to worrying about how much money someone else has, it misses the point completely.

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Well, I will take it one step further. Being rich, well off or successful does not mean they are correct on whatever they pontificate.

Many times, making money is more about what you are willing to do to make that money. My favorite is Vivek, selling failed vaccines as cures for other drugs. What a guy. I put him in the same category as the hedge fund guys, billionaires but slimier group I have never seen.

Dad had a gas station the most lucrative years were years with mechanics that knew how to sell. He made a lot of money, but ended up getting rid of them. Mechanics were technically right, car did run better with a new muffler system. But the person came in to fix a rattle that a simple bracket could have solved. It is in all industries.

I love how many on here are huge anti-Government, yet at various times were hooked up to the Government trough or benefited from Government intervention as much as anyone else. Think of an industry that got no benefit from Government or Government programs. Just in the conversations on here, shipping, banking, education, land development/homebuilding, finance, Ag, transportation, Government service... All are intertwined with legislation to help the industry.

Love self-made Farmers, wall has pictures with them with every President back to GHW Bush through their CoOp. MAGA through and through as subsidy check after subsidy check is cashed. Subsidies for dairy, subsidies for planting trees, subsidies for not planting fields, low interest loans for equipment, tax break for land trust, tax break to build homes on non-farmable property, Government sponsored trips to Europe, Africa and Asia to teach dairy. Yet, they are not getting anything from the Government, they are self-made. Pick an industry.

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In my opinion the trick is not to envy anyone's wealth. As there is always someone else richer than you.

Be content with what you have and be grateful for your life.

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I agree with you fully. Each day is a gift and you can't take it with you. I think we all have a tendency to equate making a bunch of money. I view money as flexibility. Success is being fulfilled in what you do while have great family and friend relationships as at the end of the day, that is all we really have.

Meet Alice Hu, one of the main organizers of the Tesla Takedown protests.

She is an NY "organizer", long time climate change activist, and the current executive director for Planet over Profit @pop4climate. She was one of the speakers on the Tesla Takedown organizers call this… pic.twitter.com/xTqtIRf3Z8

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) March 21, 2025

It is impossible for the Supreme Court to hear all the appeals! https://t.co/vUQ1jBtWkz

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 22, 2025

Oldbear83 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Of course I engage. You just ignore or mock my posts when I do.

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Isn't it the other way around this time? I said it is a big problem for wealth to be uber concentrated, and you started in with personal attacks?

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Not at all. You made some unfounded claims, doubled down when I pointed out they were opinion, and now you are chortling with JR, mixing snide derision with a baffling habit of ignoring the facts.

We can go round and round all day with that game, but instead I will try again to help you see reason.

You found a place where someone said what you wanted to hear. There's a lot of that going around, of course, and it's not limited to one sort of opinion.

But step back and consider how anyone could quantify the true net worth of everyone. There are no standard records, for example of who owns the privately held land, or what that land is worth (stop and consider your own property taxes, versus what you could reasonably expect to get if you sold it, versus the value of the land if you use it for business growth, etc.).

Consider your stock portfolio, also. The value of that portfolio can change by the moment, and just consider how many people have 401k plans and what is going on with those.

Then consider liquid assets. That's not just cash, even if you knew someone's aggregate bank balance you don't know how much they have in CDs, IRAs, Crypto, bonds, and so on.

My point is that for even a single individual you have to guess at what they are worth, and any honest appraisal includes a caveat that even nominal market volatility will change those numbers.

Then consider trying to guesstimate the net worth of hundreds of millions of people, which you have to do if you want to figure the total wealth of the population.

In the end, all those articles claiming someone or some group has x percent of all the wealth, they are just whining about someone having money.

Which brings me back to my main point: Someone else being rich does not keep you from being rich.

So there is no point to worrying about how much money someone else has, it misses the point completely.

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Porteroso: Not demanding anything, just saying there are legitimate concerns over how much power billionaires are able to buy. Same thing I've said for decades.

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Porteroso: There is this real dumb sentiment conservatives have, that it's no big deal if 99% of the nation's wealth is concentrated in 1% of the population. Good for the 1% they say. And that much is true! But they can rarely admit that it is bad for the 99%.

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What a load of crap.

The conservatives are not saying they want a few to have "99%" of the wealth.

They point out that one person being rich does not prevent another from making their own wealth.

The honest people with reasonable education all know that, not sure which end is your deficiency, Porteroso.

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Someone with a normal conversational skillset would see that there is common ground there, that there are many things we can agree upon, start from there, and then talk about the issue.

But someone like you, addicted to the consumption of shock and outrage, sees common ground as the enemy. You cannot even say you agree with a little of the post, even though your second sentence agrees that wealth being uber concentrated is a problem. You just say the whole thing is "a load of crap."

Then your post devolves into a pseudo-platitude, which ignores the larger issue of the declining middle class. That's your problem. You see common ground as bad, so you reject it, ridicule it, and relish in the regurgitation of platitues that you find comforting.

It's normal, what you are doing. Lefties will do it too. You start to make a point about illegal immigration, and they see the dangers in having any common ground, so they leave sensibility for platitudes, like "If we all treated those with no power as well as we want to be treated, the country would be better for it. You don't want to be deported, do you???"

I say normal, because it seems to me to be the average level of political discourse the few times you even see it happen outside of echo chambers.

I know your eyes have already glossed over, you haven't made it this far, but that's why I keep coming back to this backwards rightie forum, and why I frequent a lefty forum too. I think it is important that people who disagree still listen to those they disagree with. All you gotta do is listen, and you find common ground. I could easily stop, and just revel in my own beliefs and opinions, but it's good for me to know what the tribes think. I learn from it, and having to defend one's convictions makes them stronger, and also points out their flaws.

So returning to the core problem: We cannot continue the obscene spending if we want to survive.

What then is your solution, except to cut the number of jobs and audit what we're spending money on?

Sorry but you are cherry-picking, answering a false contention.

I get it, you want to "win" on the Internet, that's common.

But hating one person for their success never helped someone else make their own success.

And that fact will never change.

Have a good day, sir.

Assassin said:

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It is impossible for the Supreme Court to hear all the appeals! https://t.co/vUQ1jBtWkz

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 22, 2025

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Elon catching up to the intelligent posters on this board. The left overwhelmed us by breaking tons of laws. Time to follow suit and ignore the judiciary.

Assassin said:

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‼️EXCLUSIVE‼️

BOSTON @Tesla Takedown Organizer Identified As Paula Oakes, a Democrat Music Teacher At Public Schools in Wellesley, Massachusetts

Paula Oakes of Roslindale, Massachusetts, a violin teacher at Wellesley Public Schools has been organizing Tesla Takedowns against… pic.twitter.com/vDQiRTPO7c

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) March 19, 2025

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Why would she fiddle around in that kind of thing? Now her career is hamstrung. A nasty sentence would be a kick in the cat gut. She is now no longer fretless.

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Assassin said:

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‼️EXCLUSIVE‼️

BOSTON @Tesla Takedown Organizer Identified As Paula Oakes, a Democrat Music Teacher At Public Schools in Wellesley, Massachusetts

Paula Oakes of Roslindale, Massachusetts, a violin teacher at Wellesley Public Schools has been organizing Tesla Takedowns against… pic.twitter.com/vDQiRTPO7c

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) March 19, 2025

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Why would she fiddle around in that kind of thing? Now her career is hamstrung. A nasty sentence would be a kick in the cat gut. She is now no longer fretless.

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Her resume is gonna have some blackmarks on it, for sure

I can't go for that. No can do.

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Meet Alice Hu, one of the main organizers of the Tesla Takedown protests.

She is an NY "organizer", long time climate change activist, and the current executive director for Planet over Profit @pop4climate. She was one of the speakers on the Tesla Takedown organizers call this… pic.twitter.com/xTqtIRf3Z8

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) March 21, 2025

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Any relation to Horton?

Internet do your thing.

Let’s make this dude famous. pic.twitter.com/BIsygjWPGT

— Tesla Owners Silicon Valley (@teslaownersSV) March 21, 2025

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It is impossible for the Supreme Court to hear all the appeals! https://t.co/vUQ1jBtWkz

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 22, 2025

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Elon catching up to the intelligent posters on this board. The left overwhelmed us by breaking tons of laws. Time to follow suit and ignore the judiciary.

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That is not a good idea. And nobody who is intelligent wants to end the rule of law. Can you even begin to mount a defense of that?

Oldbear83 said:

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Sorry but you are cherry-picking, answering a false contention.

I get it, you want to "win" on the Internet, that's common.

But hating one person for their success never helped someone else make their own success.

And that fact will never change.

Have a good day, sir.

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I want to learn and be better tomorrow than I am today. Maybe that is winning, sure.

Erasing the middle class is bad. That fact will never change.

"There are more Ukraine flags out here than American flags"

lol

Here they here. Glad someone got these insane idiots on camera.
https://t.co/p0rFCT5Tg5

— Super Journalist (Retired) - JOURN-EL of Skrypton (@Magnum_CK) March 22, 2025