This is why you need an FAA and SpaceX needs to have Fed oversight. There is an air top in FL, SpsceX lost contact with rocket. There always has to be an objective third party with oversight

https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-air-space/spacex-starship-megarocket-upper-stage-lost-again-8th-test-flight-booster-catch-successful

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This is why you need an FAA and SpaceX needs to have Fed oversight. There is an air top in FL, SpsceX lost contact with rocket. There always has to be an objective third party with oversight

https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-air-space/spacex-starship-megarocket-upper-stage-lost-again-8th-test-flight-booster-catch-successful

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Do you actually think he's trying to get rid of the FAA? That's news to me. Maybe just maybe he is planning on using tech to make it better?

The FAA is one of those federal agencies that is essential. But it needs to be run competently with professionalism the top priority, unlikely under the fake president who tried to destroy as much as possible. No room for DEI or other stupidity. Recent plane crashes and near misses illustrate the importance of all this.

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FLBear5630 said:

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This is why you need an FAA and SpaceX needs to have Fed oversight. There is an air top in FL, SpsceX lost contact with rocket. There always has to be an objective third party with oversight

https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-air-space/spacex-starship-megarocket-upper-stage-lost-again-8th-test-flight-booster-catch-successful

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Do you actually think he's trying to get rid of the FAA? That's news to me. Maybe just maybe he is planning on using tech to make it better?

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He has been trying to get rid of trajectory permitting. FAA has pushed back saying it is necessary. Then they became Deep State bureaucrats .

https://spacenews.com/faa-administrator-defends-spacex-licensing-actions-on-safety-grounds/

Hmm https://t.co/aEOnQokP1e

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 8, 2025

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Hmm https://t.co/aEOnQokP1e

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 8, 2025

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Isn't GDP a "Product" of what they produce. According to that DC produces a lot of wealth. So, when we say the US has a GDP of 23.5 that includes everything and is a good thing.

The breakdown is what I think he needs to show, what percent of the DC GDP is government spending? DC has a ton of R&D, World Corporate HQs, tourism... Last I could find was 2017 44.91%. Curious to see 2025, that would show the growth in Govt that occurred or we have been told occurred. If anyone could find that, I would be interested in the delta.

Good point: bureaucrats produce nothing. They never add to the economy. They are leeches that always reduce an economy.

Also, as government grows other sectors stagnate or shrink.

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Good point: bureaucrats produce nothing. They never add to the economy. They are leeches that always reduce an economy.

Also, as government grows other sectors stagnate or shrink.

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Yawn...

So what do bureaucrats contribute to the economy? What do they do that adds value? How do they make America more competitive or prosperous?

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So what do bureaucrats contribute to the economy? What do they do that adds value? How do they make America more competitive or prosperous?

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You put no value in the project management and project delivery aspects of the process, not just existing products but r&d.

That is where it is made or broke. Gen. Graves was the difference in delivering the Manhattan Project. Robert Moses built New York. The TVA and Hoover Dams were monster projects that changed regions. Hell, the Panama Canal, Trump's favorite subject, was Government funded. These were all run by men, most that either worked for the Government or hired by the Government, that were just as innovative, organized and visionary as anyone in the private sector. Just like Jobs was instrumental in making Apple what it is. The Government has played a huge role in moving the major projects and r&d developments to market as well as delivering it for citizens.

You continually speak like someone who spent their life in the ivory towers of academia and have never delivered a product or project. So, I politely believe you know not of what you speak.

One of the terminated contracts listed on the DOGE wall of receipts is a $240 Million contract for Le'Fant LLC.

They are for-profit and everything they do is working with our Federal Government.

Their office is in a shopping plaza between a salon and a Mexican restaurant. pic.twitter.com/xDjsYTLXRh

— DOGE NEWS- Department of Government Efficiency (@realdogeusa) March 8, 2025

FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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Hmm https://t.co/aEOnQokP1e

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 8, 2025

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Isn't GDP a "Product" of what they produce. According to that DC produces a lot of wealth. So, when we say the US has a GDP of 23.5 that includes everything and is a good thing.

The breakdown is what I think he needs to show, what percent of the DC GDP is government spending? DC has a ton of R&D, World Corporate HQs, tourism... Last I could find was 2017 44.91%. Curious to see 2025, that would show the growth in Govt that occurred or we have been told occurred. If anyone could find that, I would be interested in the delta.

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According to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, in 2023, 82.3% of the GDP of Washington, DC was made up of Government Spending (30.75%), Professional and Business Services (25.9%), Real Estate (9%), Information (8.8%), Social Assistance (7.8%).

pic.twitter.com/72PG69dwKO

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 9, 2025

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FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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Hmm https://t.co/aEOnQokP1e

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 8, 2025

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Isn't GDP a "Product" of what they produce. According to that DC produces a lot of wealth. So, when we say the US has a GDP of 23.5 that includes everything and is a good thing.

The breakdown is what I think he needs to show, what percent of the DC GDP is government spending? DC has a ton of R&D, World Corporate HQs, tourism... Last I could find was 2017 44.91%. Curious to see 2025, that would show the growth in Govt that occurred or we have been told occurred. If anyone could find that, I would be interested in the delta.

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According to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, in 2023, 82.3% of the GDP of Washington, DC was made up of Government Spending (30.75%), Professional and Business Services (25.9%), Real Estate (9%), Information (8.8%), Social Assistance (7.8%).

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Thank you.

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One of the terminated contracts listed on the DOGE wall of receipts is a $240 Million contract for Le'Fant LLC.

They are for-profit and everything they do is working with our Federal Government.

Their office is in a shopping plaza between a salon and a Mexican restaurant. pic.twitter.com/xDjsYTLXRh

— DOGE NEWS- Department of Government Efficiency (@realdogeusa) March 8, 2025

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Have you looked at what they do? I am confused, for 40 years we have heard run Govt like a business and farmed out many of what were Govt jobs to the private sector. The "Privatization" of Government. This is one of those businesses. Historian should LOVE this. Letting private sector professionals do it rather than bureaucratic incompetents.

What is the problem? This is what the Privatization of Government looks like. Are you saying NOT to provide Veterans with health and support services? I thought you guys loved the military and the "warrior ethos". Sec Pete must be behind this supporting the troops after they served.

FLBear5630 said:

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So what do bureaucrats contribute to the economy? What do they do that adds value? How do they make America more competitive or prosperous?

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You put no value in the project management and project delivery aspects of the process, not just existing products but r&d.

That is where it is made or broke. Gen. Graves was the difference in delivering the Manhattan Project. Robert Moses built New York. The TVA and Hoover Dams were monster projects that changed regions. Hell, the Panama Canal, Trump's favorite subject, was Government funded. These were all run by men, most that either worked for the Government or hired by the Government, that were just as innovative, organized and visionary as anyone in the private sector. Just like Jobs was instrumental in making Apple what it is. The Government has played a huge role in moving the major projects and r&d developments to market as well as delivering it for citizens.

You continually speak like someone who spent their life in the ivory towers of academia and have never delivered a product or project. So, I politely believe you know not of what you speak.

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I place little value in that because the actual contribution of the government is negative. They don't add value to anything they remove it. Government is a necessary evil bug they ard mostly parasites. You cite a few positive examples. They are ver much the exceptions. Gif every positive example there ard literally hundreds (probably thousands) of negative ones. And most of us encounter or at least see them all the time.

An investigation has found 5 ActBlue-funded groups responsible for Tesla “protests”: Troublemakers, Disruption Project, Rise & Resist, Indivisible Project and Democratic Socialists of America.

ActBlue funders include George Soros, Reid Hoffman, Herbert Sandler, Patricia Bauman,…

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 8, 2025

Maybe Elon should sue Soros for $1 billion or more.

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Maybe Elon should sue Soros for $1 billion or more.

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Better yet, sue Open Society. That's where Soros and his sons are stashing their ill gotten (US Taxpayers) billions

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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So what do bureaucrats contribute to the economy? What do they do that adds value? How do they make America more competitive or prosperous?

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You put no value in the project management and project delivery aspects of the process, not just existing products but r&d.

That is where it is made or broke. Gen. Graves was the difference in delivering the Manhattan Project. Robert Moses built New York. The TVA and Hoover Dams were monster projects that changed regions. Hell, the Panama Canal, Trump's favorite subject, was Government funded. These were all run by men, most that either worked for the Government or hired by the Government, that were just as innovative, organized and visionary as anyone in the private sector. Just like Jobs was instrumental in making Apple what it is. The Government has played a huge role in moving the major projects and r&d developments to market as well as delivering it for citizens.

You continually speak like someone who spent their life in the ivory towers of academia and have never delivered a product or project. So, I politely believe you know not of what you speak.

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I place little value in that because the actual contribution of the government is negative. They don't add value to anything they remove it. Government is a necessary evil bug they ard mostly parasites. You cite a few positive examples. They are ver much the exceptions. Gif every positive example there ard literally hundreds (probably thousands) of negative ones. And most of us encounter or at least see them all the time.

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You just don't get it and won't because you don't understand the scale of the projects the Govt supports. There are many items that Nation/State level because they have to be.

Waste? There is more than enough to cut. But nothing is totally good or totally bad. Organizations being good, bad, efficient, or wasteful is about the leadership. But keep going with absolutes.

The government does far too many things it should not be doing, constitutionally or economically. You seem to think that what the govt is doing is legit. Most of it is not.

The scope of the govt IS the problem. You don't get it and won't. You think the govt can solve problems but it causes most of our problems. And the bloated bureaucracy doesn't want them fixed because doing so often reduces the reason for many agencies to exist and certainly reduces the justification for many of their jobs.

Some people are plain addicted to the bloat.

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Some people are plain addicted to the bloat.

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Do you have any idea what a road costs? 2 lame rural 5.5 million per mile. Interstate 15 million per mile. That is not bloat.

There are some things the Govt does better than the Private sector. Or you want toll roads as the primary road charge and let the private sector take your house and give you what they consider fair market value based on their profitability model. Infrastructure, like defense should be Govt run.

FLBear just hates audits, especially when they reveal Fraud and Grift.

But don't call him out, or he will accuse you of wanting to stop roads being built.

And it's in Texas

Total completion cost of the Tesla Cortex 1 AI training cluster will be ~$5B https://t.co/cdANdiHzjY

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 9, 2025

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Oldbear83 said:

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Some people are plain addicted to the bloat.

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Do you have any idea what a road costs? 2 lame rural 5.5 million per mile. Interstate 15 million per mile. That is not bloat.

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major city/urban interstate at 15 per mile is average but outside the city the cost is half that for new interstate.

2 lane rural roads would be around 3 -3.5 mil per mile. Redoing existing at around 1-1.7mil per mile.

Geographical areas and soil conditions may increase costs

How much of those insane costs for highway construction are for kickbacks to corrupt party officials just to get the project approved?

How much ends up in various Swiss bank accounts (or Caymans)?

How much of it is for overpriced materials or workers because bureaucrats required it?

How much of it is for lawyers, insurance, or other added expenses because of DEI requirements or to allow for mistakes caused by DEI or other incompetent people imposed on them by the corrupt politicians & bureaucrats?

How many extra people must by hired by various political mandates on top of those who actually do the work?

How much of the cost is inflated because of union requirements?

historian said:

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How much of those insane costs for highway construction are for kickbacks to corrupt party officials just to get the project approved?

How much ends up in various Swiss bank accounts (or Caymans)?

How much of it is for overpriced materials or workers because bureaucrats required it?

How much of it is for lawyers, insurance, or other added expenses because of DEI requirements or to allow for mistakes caused by DEI or other incompetent people imposed on them by the corrupt politicians & bureaucrats?

How many extra people must by hired by various political mandates on top of those who actually do the work?

How much of the cost is inflated because of union requirements?

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those are questions for George Soros

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Some people are plain addicted to the bloat.

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Do you have any idea what a road costs? 2 lame rural 5.5 million per mile. Interstate 15 million per mile. That is not bloat.

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major city/urban interstate at 15 per mile is average but outside the city the cost is half that for new interstate.

2 lane rural roads would be around 3 -3.5 mil per mile. Redoing existing at around 1-1.7mil per mile.

Geographical areas and soil conditions may increase costs

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Your remill and resurface is a bit higher than we are seeing in FL. New contstruction of rural 4 lane is 10.8m. I am using FDOT cost per mile manual. We do have some conditions and urban areas that make it more expensive. I wish we had the rural 2 lane! In FL many rural Counties have moved slag or at least they did, been a while since working rural areas. You guys in TX build some beautiful 4ln rural, middle of no where 4 lane divided. Miss TX, you guys have good roads and good State Parks.

My point is that most of these are too big for private to fund or if they can how they do it is a problem. Infrastructure should be a Govt sponsored function.

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How much of those insane costs for highway construction are for kickbacks to corrupt party officials just to get the project approved?

How much ends up in various Swiss bank accounts (or Caymans)?

How much of it is for overpriced materials or workers because bureaucrats required it?

How much of it is for lawyers, insurance, or other added expenses because of DEI requirements or to allow for mistakes caused by DEI or other incompetent people imposed on them by the corrupt politicians & bureaucrats?

How many extra people must by hired by various political mandates on top of those who actually do the work?

How much of the cost is inflated because of union requirements?

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Really? You do believe anything. Procurement in FL is pretty tight and you will end up in court or challenged if things appear no above Board.

Swiss or Caymans? You ever work on a public project?

Market sets the price, usually if materials go up it is because of competing projects or big projects. I remember when the Three Gorges Dam drove up the cost of cement. Buy America drove up costs. Tarriffs drive up costs.

DEI? Really? You think that is a cost center?

A lot of road cost has to do with the State Constitution, some States only have to give fair vaule to take land for eminent demand. In FL, we pay total cost, including business damages for the life of the business. That drives up costs even for corner clips. FL is a big property rights state only 2 things require a full 12 man jury in FL, capital murder and eminent domain. They take it seriously.

FL is right to work State, no union.

For a typical $100 million highway project, approximately $15-20 million in direct wages flow into the local economy. Beyond direct employment, the construction phase drives demand for local services.

The US does overspend compared to other Nations, mostly due to DOT understaffing and a lack of private sector competition. DOT's used to be better staffed.

FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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How much of those insane costs for highway construction are for kickbacks to corrupt party officials just to get the project approved?

How much ends up in various Swiss bank accounts (or Caymans)?

How much of it is for overpriced materials or workers because bureaucrats required it?

How much of it is for lawyers, insurance, or other added expenses because of DEI requirements or to allow for mistakes caused by DEI or other incompetent people imposed on them by the corrupt politicians & bureaucrats?

How many extra people must by hired by various political mandates on top of those who actually do the work?

How much of the cost is inflated because of union requirements?

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Really? You do believe anything. Procurement in FL is pretty tight and you will end up in court or challenged if things appear no above Board.

Swiss or Caymans? You ever work on a public project?

Market sets the price, usually if materials go up it is because of competing projects or big projects. I remember when the Three Gorges Dam drove up the cost of cement. Buy America drove up costs. Tarriffs drive up costs.

DEI? Really? You think that is a cost center?

A lot of road cost has to do with the State Constitution, some States only have to give fair vaule to take land for eminent demand. In FL, we pay total cost, including business damages for the life of the business. That drives up costs even for corner clips. FL is a big property rights state only 2 things require a full 12 man jury in FL, capital murder and eminent domain. They take it seriously.

FL is right to work State, no union.

For a typical $100 million highway project, approximately $15-20 million in direct wages flow into the local economy. Beyond direct employment, the construction phase drives demand for local services.

The US does overspend compared to other Nations, mostly due to DOT understaffing and a lack of private sector competition. DOT's used to be better staffed.

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yes, most likely those bids also require certified payrolls as part of the bid. This isnt a place where the contractor charges $35.00 an hour and pays $20.00

Not alot of places to hide extra money to sluff off for use other than the bid items

There was (still is) a massive cyberattack against 𝕏.

We get attacked every day, but this was done with a lot of resources. Either a large, coordinated group and/or a country is involved.

Tracing … https://t.co/aZSO1a92no

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 10, 2025