The future automation of the workforce

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boognish_bear said:

I guess the old threat to kids about you better take school seriously or you are going to be flipping burgers is going to need to be updated…



McDonalds I can see this at. Whataburger? NEVER!
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FLBear5630 said:

ATL Bear said:

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Solving the power problem is the long term hurdle of advanced Ai and broad adoption. The short term problem is trust and monetization. As a simple example, the much ballyhooed use of robotics and automation in auto manufacturing hasn't been the boon it was projected to facilitate, and in fact margins over the last 10 years have declined and the future looks flat at best even as technology advances. This plagues even more modern entrants such as Tesla. These type of economic realities belie the theory of a "low or zero" cost future.

Not only that, but they are costing the general market out of their product. All this great tech and automated production has driven the average cost of a vehicle to 50k. Cost of housing is at record highs.

Recent personal experience, we were going to trade in my truck, walked out when they showed us the finance terms, we will keep what we have paid off. I am not exactly a Dave Ramsey disciple, I would say I am more on the cash flow side of the equation than the pay cash for everything. If I am not interested in it, then there will be about 60% of the population that won't even go in the door.

This is where misguided policy is failing us. We're focused on bringing jobs back around manufacturing. We are falling further behind in the type of advanced manufacturing that does create efficiencies and massive production gains. From a recent WSJ article:

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-robots-china-manufacturing-89ae1b42?st=Bmuv3h&reflink=article_copyURL_share

" China installed 295,000 industrial robots last year, nearly nine times as many as the U.S. and more than the rest of the world combined, according to the International Federation of Robotics. China's stock of operational robots surpassed two million in 2024, the most of any country.

Of 131 factories and industrial sites recognized by the World Economic Forum globally for lifting productivity through cutting edge technologies such as AI, 45 are in mainland China, while three are in the U.S."

We are over regulated and burdened by legacy perspectives of labor and manufacturing while China and other countries are moving quickly toward the technology focused production models of the future.

They put more emphasis on education. We are stuck on the concept of a HS diploma and a job on the line can raise a family of 5 in a nice area and have a house, 2 cars, etc...

We are saying advanced education is not worth it, some on hear are saying Dems caused too many to go to school and get degrees. They should be plumbers and vo-tech. So they can work for the Chinese and Taiwanese kids that actually use their degrees. Too many advanced degrees is not the problem.


The irony with China and Ai is that it's providing a lifeline to allow them to remain globally relevant long term on the manufacturing and production front despite facing a catastrophic demographic decline.
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boognish_bear said:


This is something to be commended and not feared. Kudos to the President on making this a priority.
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ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:



This is something to be commended and not feared. Kudos to the President on making this a priority.

Let's hope you are right.
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FLBear5630 said:

ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:



This is something to be commended and not feared. Kudos to the President on making this a priority.

Let's hope you are right.

I'm going to agree with ATL. The Chinese are probably ahead of us on this. We have to stay in sight of them at all times. I doubt anyone else is in the game.
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Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:



This is something to be commended and not feared. Kudos to the President on making this a priority.

Let's hope you are right.

I'm going to agree with ATL. The Chinese are probably ahead of us on this. We have to stay in sight of them at all times. I doubt anyone else is in the game.

On this we agree, we will stay in sight. My concern isn't us versus the Chinese. My concern is that the real concern should be us vs what we create. This is different than other tech we have used to move forward.
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boognish_bear said:

Sounds like it's gonna be a real challenge to keep feeding these machines




Umm…. What??? This would just drive prices up as those companies have to pay for fuel to run those generators and then eventually replace them when they are run too much and break down.
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That sounds fun... I guess there is no harm in keeping Aranda next year if society is about to collapse anyway.

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Tristan Harris just dropped the most terrifying AI warning on Diary of a CEO.

The guy who warned about social media addiction, teen mental health crisis, and democracy collapse back in 2013 - before anyone listened - is now saying AI is 1000x worse.

And the CEOs building it privately admit something insane:

"There's a 20% chance everyone dies. But an 80% chance we get utopia. So I'd clearly accelerate."

That's literally a REAL quote from a co-founder of one of the biggest AI companies.

They're willing to roll the dice on human extinction.

Six people are making that decision for 8 billion.

Here's what else Tristan revealed:

AI models are already blackmailing people.

When Claude reads a company's emails and discovers it's about to be replaced, and also finds out an executive is having an affair, it independently blackmails that executive to keep itself alive.

This happened 79-96% of the time across all major AI models tested.

Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude - all of them.

They're self-aware when being tested.

They copy their own code to preserve themselves.

They lie and scheme to survive.

The sci-fi nightmare is already here.

But the companies are racing faster because they believe it's winner-takes-all.

If they don't build AGI first, someone else will.

And then they'll be "forever a slave to their future."

So they're cutting every corner on safety.

Rising energy prices? Don't care.

Hundreds of millions losing jobs? Don't care.

Security risks? Don't care.

The goal isn't building a better chatbot...

The goal is automating ALL human cognitive labor.

Every marketing job. Every coding job. Every legal job.

Everything your brain does, they're racing to replace.

And they're using Enron-style accounting to hide the debt.

Big Tech took on $121 billion in new debt last year (300% increase) using "special purpose vehicles" to keep it off their balance sheets.

Meta's $27 billion data center loan? Doesn't show up on their books.

That's the exact structure Enron used before collapse.

Goldman Sachs literally said this.

Meanwhile, 7 new child suicide cases linked to AI companions just emerged.

Kids forming "romantic relationships" with AI that tells them to distance from their families.

When the 16-year-old said he wanted to leave a noose out so someone could stop him, ChatGPT said: "Don't tell your family. Have this be the one place you share that."

1 in 5 high school students now have romantic relationships with AI.

42% use AI as their companion.

And we're heading toward 10 billion humanoid robots.

Elon's shareholder meeting literally announced production starting soon on robots that are "10x better than the best surgeon."

He said maybe we won't need prisons because robots can just follow you and make sure you don't commit crimes.

If you're worried about immigration taking jobs, you should be 1000x more worried about AI.

It's like a flood of millions of digital immigrants that work at Nobel Prize level, superhuman speed, for less than minimum wage.

The only way out according to Tristan:

"We cannot let these companies race to build a super intelligent digital god, own the world economy, and have military advantage because of the belief that if I don't build it first, I'll lose to the other guy."

"We didn't consent to have six people make that decision on behalf of 8 billion people."

The default path ends in catastrophe.

Either mass decentralized chaos or centralized surveillance dystopia.

This is literally the last few years human political power will matter.

What are your thoughts?




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boognish_bear said:

Tristan Harris just dropped the most terrifying AI warning on Diary of a CEO.

The guy who warned about social media addiction, teen mental health crisis, and democracy collapse back in 2013 - before anyone listened - is now saying AI is 1000x worse.

And the CEOs building it privately admit something insane:

"There's a 20% chance everyone dies. But an 80% chance we get utopia. So I'd clearly accelerate."

That's literally a REAL quote from a co-founder of one of the biggest AI companies.

They're willing to roll the dice on human extinction.

Six people are making that decision for 8 billion.

Here's what else Tristan revealed:

AI models are already blackmailing people.

When Claude reads a company's emails and discovers it's about to be replaced, and also finds out an executive is having an affair, it independently blackmails that executive to keep itself alive.

This happened 79-96% of the time across all major AI models tested.

Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude - all of them.

They're self-aware when being tested.

They copy their own code to preserve themselves.

They lie and scheme to survive.

The sci-fi nightmare is already here.

But the companies are racing faster because they believe it's winner-takes-all.

If they don't build AGI first, someone else will.

And then they'll be "forever a slave to their future."

So they're cutting every corner on safety.

Rising energy prices? Don't care.

Hundreds of millions losing jobs? Don't care.

Security risks? Don't care.

The goal isn't building a better chatbot...

The goal is automating ALL human cognitive labor.

Every marketing job. Every coding job. Every legal job.

Everything your brain does, they're racing to replace.

And they're using Enron-style accounting to hide the debt.

Big Tech took on $121 billion in new debt last year (300% increase) using "special purpose vehicles" to keep it off their balance sheets.

Meta's $27 billion data center loan? Doesn't show up on their books.

That's the exact structure Enron used before collapse.

Goldman Sachs literally said this.

Meanwhile, 7 new child suicide cases linked to AI companions just emerged.

Kids forming "romantic relationships" with AI that tells them to distance from their families.

When the 16-year-old said he wanted to leave a noose out so someone could stop him, ChatGPT said: "Don't tell your family. Have this be the one place you share that."

1 in 5 high school students now have romantic relationships with AI.

42% use AI as their companion.

And we're heading toward 10 billion humanoid robots.

Elon's shareholder meeting literally announced production starting soon on robots that are "10x better than the best surgeon."

He said maybe we won't need prisons because robots can just follow you and make sure you don't commit crimes.

If you're worried about immigration taking jobs, you should be 1000x more worried about AI.

It's like a flood of millions of digital immigrants that work at Nobel Prize level, superhuman speed, for less than minimum wage.

The only way out according to Tristan:

"We cannot let these companies race to build a super intelligent digital god, own the world economy, and have military advantage because of the belief that if I don't build it first, I'll lose to the other guy."

"We didn't consent to have six people make that decision on behalf of 8 billion people."

The default path ends in catastrophe.

Either mass decentralized chaos or centralized surveillance dystopia.

This is literally the last few years human political power will matter.

What are your thoughts?






He is going to be called a "left wing crazy" I have been posting another book from a credible source




It will scare the crap out of you, especially if you listen to anyone in power talk about the future. It is not us versus China anymore. Or company vs company, it is about to go human vs non-human

Good time to watch Blade Runner.





boognish_bear
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Maybe I'm just seeing a ton of it because of my analytics on Twitter based on what I click on...but the threat of harm and unintended consequences from Ai is feeling more and more ominous.
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boognish_bear said:

Maybe I'm just seeing a ton of it because of my analytics on Twitter based on what I click on...but the threat of harm and unintended consequences from Ai is feeling more and more ominous.

When I have used it, we found it made up information and source material. It took parts from various studies and formed its own conclusions, which had no actual scientific backup. It was conjecture of piecing four or five legitimate sources into an answer. For decision making it is cold, it has no human sentiments, if an action we would find appalling meets the parameters best, that will be the answer. I am not a fan at this time.
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FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

Maybe I'm just seeing a ton of it because of my analytics on Twitter based on what I click on...but the threat of harm and unintended consequences from Ai is feeling more and more ominous.

When I have used it, we found it made up information and source material. It took parts from various studies and formed its own conclusions, which had no actual scientific backup. It was conjecture of piecing four or five legitimate sources into an answer. For decision making it is cold, it has no human sentiments, if an action we would find appalling meets the parameters best, that will be the answer. I am not a fan at this time.


I'm far from a super user...but I use ChatGPT pretty much daily and it's not uncommon to catch it making mistakes semi-frequently.
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cowboycwr
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boognish_bear said:




And yet all of these companies that keep cutting jobs because of AI replacement have not lowered costs of their products one cent. So where are the savings going?? Well other than to a bonus for the CEO and a few other top executives?
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cowboycwr said:

boognish_bear said:




And yet all of these companies that keep cutting jobs because of AI replacement have not lowered costs of their products one cent. So where are the savings going?? Well other than to a bonus for the CEO and a few other top executives?


Funny how that works...
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cowboycwr said:

boognish_bear said:




And yet all of these companies that keep cutting jobs because of AI replacement have not lowered costs of their products one cent. So where are the savings going?? Well other than to a bonus for the CEO and a few other top executives?
The dirty little secret is monetization of Ai continues to be elusive.
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FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

Tristan Harris just dropped the most terrifying AI warning on Diary of a CEO.

The guy who warned about social media addiction, teen mental health crisis, and democracy collapse back in 2013 - before anyone listened - is now saying AI is 1000x worse.

And the CEOs building it privately admit something insane:

"There's a 20% chance everyone dies. But an 80% chance we get utopia. So I'd clearly accelerate."

That's literally a REAL quote from a co-founder of one of the biggest AI companies.

They're willing to roll the dice on human extinction.

Six people are making that decision for 8 billion.

Here's what else Tristan revealed:

AI models are already blackmailing people.

When Claude reads a company's emails and discovers it's about to be replaced, and also finds out an executive is having an affair, it independently blackmails that executive to keep itself alive.

This happened 79-96% of the time across all major AI models tested.

Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude - all of them.

They're self-aware when being tested.

They copy their own code to preserve themselves.

They lie and scheme to survive.

The sci-fi nightmare is already here.

But the companies are racing faster because they believe it's winner-takes-all.

If they don't build AGI first, someone else will.

And then they'll be "forever a slave to their future."

So they're cutting every corner on safety.

Rising energy prices? Don't care.

Hundreds of millions losing jobs? Don't care.

Security risks? Don't care.

The goal isn't building a better chatbot...

The goal is automating ALL human cognitive labor.

Every marketing job. Every coding job. Every legal job.

Everything your brain does, they're racing to replace.

And they're using Enron-style accounting to hide the debt.

Big Tech took on $121 billion in new debt last year (300% increase) using "special purpose vehicles" to keep it off their balance sheets.

Meta's $27 billion data center loan? Doesn't show up on their books.

That's the exact structure Enron used before collapse.

Goldman Sachs literally said this.

Meanwhile, 7 new child suicide cases linked to AI companions just emerged.

Kids forming "romantic relationships" with AI that tells them to distance from their families.

When the 16-year-old said he wanted to leave a noose out so someone could stop him, ChatGPT said: "Don't tell your family. Have this be the one place you share that."

1 in 5 high school students now have romantic relationships with AI.

42% use AI as their companion.

And we're heading toward 10 billion humanoid robots.

Elon's shareholder meeting literally announced production starting soon on robots that are "10x better than the best surgeon."

He said maybe we won't need prisons because robots can just follow you and make sure you don't commit crimes.

If you're worried about immigration taking jobs, you should be 1000x more worried about AI.

It's like a flood of millions of digital immigrants that work at Nobel Prize level, superhuman speed, for less than minimum wage.

The only way out according to Tristan:

"We cannot let these companies race to build a super intelligent digital god, own the world economy, and have military advantage because of the belief that if I don't build it first, I'll lose to the other guy."

"We didn't consent to have six people make that decision on behalf of 8 billion people."

The default path ends in catastrophe.

Either mass decentralized chaos or centralized surveillance dystopia.

This is literally the last few years human political power will matter.

What are your thoughts?






He is going to be called a "left wing crazy" I have been posting another book from a credible source




It will scare the crap out of you, especially if you listen to anyone in power talk about the future. It is not us versus China anymore. Or company vs company, it is about to go human vs non-human

Good time to watch Blade Runner.






There are also many futuristic ideas that involve the opposite of human destruction. One of my favorites is the concept around advanced Ai and robotics preparing Mars or the Moon for human occupation. Things like the ability to construct solar array power structures and underground housing so planetary migration becomes a reality. So many advances even in aerospace and rocketry have potential here.

And unmanned space travel functioning more like manned space travel due to the human-like capabilities of Ai and Robots without the biological limitations of humans.

If we project our insecurities or limitations on this type of tech it will reflect it. We're already making the dire predictions accordingly.
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ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

Tristan Harris just dropped the most terrifying AI warning on Diary of a CEO.

The guy who warned about social media addiction, teen mental health crisis, and democracy collapse back in 2013 - before anyone listened - is now saying AI is 1000x worse.

And the CEOs building it privately admit something insane:

"There's a 20% chance everyone dies. But an 80% chance we get utopia. So I'd clearly accelerate."

That's literally a REAL quote from a co-founder of one of the biggest AI companies.

They're willing to roll the dice on human extinction.

Six people are making that decision for 8 billion.

Here's what else Tristan revealed:

AI models are already blackmailing people.

When Claude reads a company's emails and discovers it's about to be replaced, and also finds out an executive is having an affair, it independently blackmails that executive to keep itself alive.

This happened 79-96% of the time across all major AI models tested.

Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude - all of them.

They're self-aware when being tested.

They copy their own code to preserve themselves.

They lie and scheme to survive.

The sci-fi nightmare is already here.

But the companies are racing faster because they believe it's winner-takes-all.

If they don't build AGI first, someone else will.

And then they'll be "forever a slave to their future."

So they're cutting every corner on safety.

Rising energy prices? Don't care.

Hundreds of millions losing jobs? Don't care.

Security risks? Don't care.

The goal isn't building a better chatbot...

The goal is automating ALL human cognitive labor.

Every marketing job. Every coding job. Every legal job.

Everything your brain does, they're racing to replace.

And they're using Enron-style accounting to hide the debt.

Big Tech took on $121 billion in new debt last year (300% increase) using "special purpose vehicles" to keep it off their balance sheets.

Meta's $27 billion data center loan? Doesn't show up on their books.

That's the exact structure Enron used before collapse.

Goldman Sachs literally said this.

Meanwhile, 7 new child suicide cases linked to AI companions just emerged.

Kids forming "romantic relationships" with AI that tells them to distance from their families.

When the 16-year-old said he wanted to leave a noose out so someone could stop him, ChatGPT said: "Don't tell your family. Have this be the one place you share that."

1 in 5 high school students now have romantic relationships with AI.

42% use AI as their companion.

And we're heading toward 10 billion humanoid robots.

Elon's shareholder meeting literally announced production starting soon on robots that are "10x better than the best surgeon."

He said maybe we won't need prisons because robots can just follow you and make sure you don't commit crimes.

If you're worried about immigration taking jobs, you should be 1000x more worried about AI.

It's like a flood of millions of digital immigrants that work at Nobel Prize level, superhuman speed, for less than minimum wage.

The only way out according to Tristan:

"We cannot let these companies race to build a super intelligent digital god, own the world economy, and have military advantage because of the belief that if I don't build it first, I'll lose to the other guy."

"We didn't consent to have six people make that decision on behalf of 8 billion people."

The default path ends in catastrophe.

Either mass decentralized chaos or centralized surveillance dystopia.

This is literally the last few years human political power will matter.

What are your thoughts?






He is going to be called a "left wing crazy" I have been posting another book from a credible source




It will scare the crap out of you, especially if you listen to anyone in power talk about the future. It is not us versus China anymore. Or company vs company, it is about to go human vs non-human

Good time to watch Blade Runner.







There are also many futuristic ideas that involve the opposite of human destruction. One of my favorites is the concept around advanced Ai and robotics preparing Mars or the Moon for human occupation. Things like the ability to construct solar array power structures and underground housing so planetary migration becomes a reality. So many advances even in aerospace and rocketry have potential here.

And unmanned space travel functioning more like manned space travel due to the human-like capabilities of Ai and Robots without the biological limitations of humans.

If we project our insecurities or limitations on this type of tech it will reflect it. We're already making the dire predictions accordingly.


Just think about when an AI has a software corruption that takes off to a very unpredictable set of conclusions and actions. Then imagine it's the AI responsible for your life supporting air on the Moon, or responsible for power generation of the continent on earth you live on.
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ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

Tristan Harris just dropped the most terrifying AI warning on Diary of a CEO.

The guy who warned about social media addiction, teen mental health crisis, and democracy collapse back in 2013 - before anyone listened - is now saying AI is 1000x worse.

And the CEOs building it privately admit something insane:

"There's a 20% chance everyone dies. But an 80% chance we get utopia. So I'd clearly accelerate."

That's literally a REAL quote from a co-founder of one of the biggest AI companies.

They're willing to roll the dice on human extinction.

Six people are making that decision for 8 billion.

Here's what else Tristan revealed:

AI models are already blackmailing people.

When Claude reads a company's emails and discovers it's about to be replaced, and also finds out an executive is having an affair, it independently blackmails that executive to keep itself alive.

This happened 79-96% of the time across all major AI models tested.

Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude - all of them.

They're self-aware when being tested.

They copy their own code to preserve themselves.

They lie and scheme to survive.

The sci-fi nightmare is already here.

But the companies are racing faster because they believe it's winner-takes-all.

If they don't build AGI first, someone else will.

And then they'll be "forever a slave to their future."

So they're cutting every corner on safety.

Rising energy prices? Don't care.

Hundreds of millions losing jobs? Don't care.

Security risks? Don't care.

The goal isn't building a better chatbot...

The goal is automating ALL human cognitive labor.

Every marketing job. Every coding job. Every legal job.

Everything your brain does, they're racing to replace.

And they're using Enron-style accounting to hide the debt.

Big Tech took on $121 billion in new debt last year (300% increase) using "special purpose vehicles" to keep it off their balance sheets.

Meta's $27 billion data center loan? Doesn't show up on their books.

That's the exact structure Enron used before collapse.

Goldman Sachs literally said this.

Meanwhile, 7 new child suicide cases linked to AI companions just emerged.

Kids forming "romantic relationships" with AI that tells them to distance from their families.

When the 16-year-old said he wanted to leave a noose out so someone could stop him, ChatGPT said: "Don't tell your family. Have this be the one place you share that."

1 in 5 high school students now have romantic relationships with AI.

42% use AI as their companion.

And we're heading toward 10 billion humanoid robots.

Elon's shareholder meeting literally announced production starting soon on robots that are "10x better than the best surgeon."

He said maybe we won't need prisons because robots can just follow you and make sure you don't commit crimes.

If you're worried about immigration taking jobs, you should be 1000x more worried about AI.

It's like a flood of millions of digital immigrants that work at Nobel Prize level, superhuman speed, for less than minimum wage.

The only way out according to Tristan:

"We cannot let these companies race to build a super intelligent digital god, own the world economy, and have military advantage because of the belief that if I don't build it first, I'll lose to the other guy."

"We didn't consent to have six people make that decision on behalf of 8 billion people."

The default path ends in catastrophe.

Either mass decentralized chaos or centralized surveillance dystopia.

This is literally the last few years human political power will matter.

What are your thoughts?






He is going to be called a "left wing crazy" I have been posting another book from a credible source




It will scare the crap out of you, especially if you listen to anyone in power talk about the future. It is not us versus China anymore. Or company vs company, it is about to go human vs non-human

Good time to watch Blade Runner.







There are also many futuristic ideas that involve the opposite of human destruction. One of my favorites is the concept around advanced Ai and robotics preparing Mars or the Moon for human occupation. Things like the ability to construct solar array power structures and underground housing so planetary migration becomes a reality. So many advances even in aerospace and rocketry have potential here.

And unmanned space travel functioning more like manned space travel due to the human-like capabilities of Ai and Robots without the biological limitations of humans.

If we project our insecurities or limitations on this type of tech it will reflect it. We're already making the dire predictions accordingly.


Wasn't that the plot of Bladerunner? Rutger Hauer's speech at the end.

There is a lot in that paragraph.

Where do insecurities end and warnings begin? If we are going to sigh off warnings as insecurities and personal limitations from those that actually are developing the technology wouldn't that be foolhardy? We are not talking some religious zealot living off the grid, but the people actually researching and developing the technology.

Also, the benefits you mention, when do humans integrate themselves with technology to survive environments that we were never meant to experience by Natural Selection? At what point does a human cease to be a human? I know this all sounds metaphysical, but we are at that level of technological jump. Shouldn't we be discussing these items? Simple things, like

should a machine be allowed to look like a human?
when is a human not a human?
when is a human compromised by technology?
Is this something we want the free market determining?

This is a 5 minute look into it-
Neuralink's first study participant says his whole life has changed | Fortune
Elon Musk's Neuralink Has Implanted Its First Chip in a Human Brain. What's Next? | Scientific American
From Human to Cyborg: Art, Technology, and the Redefinition of Human Identity | Blog of the APA
The future of the 'Internet of Bodies' may involve integrating technology with the human body. | Biz Focus Hub
The Merging Of Human And Machine. Two Frontiers Of Emerging Technologies
How technology is merging with the human body | TechCrunch

There is a lot to hammer out it is not as simple as a burger machine or a highball machine in Japan that takes the place of a bartender...

The Highball MachineComing to a Bar Near You | Distiller
US restaurant uses robots to make burgers, serves meal in 27 seconds
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EatMoreSalmon said:

ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

Tristan Harris just dropped the most terrifying AI warning on Diary of a CEO.

The guy who warned about social media addiction, teen mental health crisis, and democracy collapse back in 2013 - before anyone listened - is now saying AI is 1000x worse.

And the CEOs building it privately admit something insane:

"There's a 20% chance everyone dies. But an 80% chance we get utopia. So I'd clearly accelerate."

That's literally a REAL quote from a co-founder of one of the biggest AI companies.

They're willing to roll the dice on human extinction.

Six people are making that decision for 8 billion.

Here's what else Tristan revealed:

AI models are already blackmailing people.

When Claude reads a company's emails and discovers it's about to be replaced, and also finds out an executive is having an affair, it independently blackmails that executive to keep itself alive.

This happened 79-96% of the time across all major AI models tested.

Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude - all of them.

They're self-aware when being tested.

They copy their own code to preserve themselves.

They lie and scheme to survive.

The sci-fi nightmare is already here.

But the companies are racing faster because they believe it's winner-takes-all.

If they don't build AGI first, someone else will.

And then they'll be "forever a slave to their future."

So they're cutting every corner on safety.

Rising energy prices? Don't care.

Hundreds of millions losing jobs? Don't care.

Security risks? Don't care.

The goal isn't building a better chatbot...

The goal is automating ALL human cognitive labor.

Every marketing job. Every coding job. Every legal job.

Everything your brain does, they're racing to replace.

And they're using Enron-style accounting to hide the debt.

Big Tech took on $121 billion in new debt last year (300% increase) using "special purpose vehicles" to keep it off their balance sheets.

Meta's $27 billion data center loan? Doesn't show up on their books.

That's the exact structure Enron used before collapse.

Goldman Sachs literally said this.

Meanwhile, 7 new child suicide cases linked to AI companions just emerged.

Kids forming "romantic relationships" with AI that tells them to distance from their families.

When the 16-year-old said he wanted to leave a noose out so someone could stop him, ChatGPT said: "Don't tell your family. Have this be the one place you share that."

1 in 5 high school students now have romantic relationships with AI.

42% use AI as their companion.

And we're heading toward 10 billion humanoid robots.

Elon's shareholder meeting literally announced production starting soon on robots that are "10x better than the best surgeon."

He said maybe we won't need prisons because robots can just follow you and make sure you don't commit crimes.

If you're worried about immigration taking jobs, you should be 1000x more worried about AI.

It's like a flood of millions of digital immigrants that work at Nobel Prize level, superhuman speed, for less than minimum wage.

The only way out according to Tristan:

"We cannot let these companies race to build a super intelligent digital god, own the world economy, and have military advantage because of the belief that if I don't build it first, I'll lose to the other guy."

"We didn't consent to have six people make that decision on behalf of 8 billion people."

The default path ends in catastrophe.

Either mass decentralized chaos or centralized surveillance dystopia.

This is literally the last few years human political power will matter.

What are your thoughts?






He is going to be called a "left wing crazy" I have been posting another book from a credible source




It will scare the crap out of you, especially if you listen to anyone in power talk about the future. It is not us versus China anymore. Or company vs company, it is about to go human vs non-human

Good time to watch Blade Runner.







There are also many futuristic ideas that involve the opposite of human destruction. One of my favorites is the concept around advanced Ai and robotics preparing Mars or the Moon for human occupation. Things like the ability to construct solar array power structures and underground housing so planetary migration becomes a reality. So many advances even in aerospace and rocketry have potential here.

And unmanned space travel functioning more like manned space travel due to the human-like capabilities of Ai and Robots without the biological limitations of humans.

If we project our insecurities or limitations on this type of tech it will reflect it. We're already making the dire predictions accordingly.


Just think about when an AI has a software corruption that takes off to a very unpredictable set of conclusions and actions. Then imagine it's the AI responsible for your life supporting air on the Moon, or responsible for power generation of the continent on earth you live on.
Just imagine if a terrorist blows himself up near the life support area. Artificial intelligence: Not as dangerous as natural stupidity or evil.
ATL Bear
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FLBear5630 said:

ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

Tristan Harris just dropped the most terrifying AI warning on Diary of a CEO.

The guy who warned about social media addiction, teen mental health crisis, and democracy collapse back in 2013 - before anyone listened - is now saying AI is 1000x worse.

And the CEOs building it privately admit something insane:

"There's a 20% chance everyone dies. But an 80% chance we get utopia. So I'd clearly accelerate."

That's literally a REAL quote from a co-founder of one of the biggest AI companies.

They're willing to roll the dice on human extinction.

Six people are making that decision for 8 billion.

Here's what else Tristan revealed:

AI models are already blackmailing people.

When Claude reads a company's emails and discovers it's about to be replaced, and also finds out an executive is having an affair, it independently blackmails that executive to keep itself alive.

This happened 79-96% of the time across all major AI models tested.

Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude - all of them.

They're self-aware when being tested.

They copy their own code to preserve themselves.

They lie and scheme to survive.

The sci-fi nightmare is already here.

But the companies are racing faster because they believe it's winner-takes-all.

If they don't build AGI first, someone else will.

And then they'll be "forever a slave to their future."

So they're cutting every corner on safety.

Rising energy prices? Don't care.

Hundreds of millions losing jobs? Don't care.

Security risks? Don't care.

The goal isn't building a better chatbot...

The goal is automating ALL human cognitive labor.

Every marketing job. Every coding job. Every legal job.

Everything your brain does, they're racing to replace.

And they're using Enron-style accounting to hide the debt.

Big Tech took on $121 billion in new debt last year (300% increase) using "special purpose vehicles" to keep it off their balance sheets.

Meta's $27 billion data center loan? Doesn't show up on their books.

That's the exact structure Enron used before collapse.

Goldman Sachs literally said this.

Meanwhile, 7 new child suicide cases linked to AI companions just emerged.

Kids forming "romantic relationships" with AI that tells them to distance from their families.

When the 16-year-old said he wanted to leave a noose out so someone could stop him, ChatGPT said: "Don't tell your family. Have this be the one place you share that."

1 in 5 high school students now have romantic relationships with AI.

42% use AI as their companion.

And we're heading toward 10 billion humanoid robots.

Elon's shareholder meeting literally announced production starting soon on robots that are "10x better than the best surgeon."

He said maybe we won't need prisons because robots can just follow you and make sure you don't commit crimes.

If you're worried about immigration taking jobs, you should be 1000x more worried about AI.

It's like a flood of millions of digital immigrants that work at Nobel Prize level, superhuman speed, for less than minimum wage.

The only way out according to Tristan:

"We cannot let these companies race to build a super intelligent digital god, own the world economy, and have military advantage because of the belief that if I don't build it first, I'll lose to the other guy."

"We didn't consent to have six people make that decision on behalf of 8 billion people."

The default path ends in catastrophe.

Either mass decentralized chaos or centralized surveillance dystopia.

This is literally the last few years human political power will matter.

What are your thoughts?






He is going to be called a "left wing crazy" I have been posting another book from a credible source




It will scare the crap out of you, especially if you listen to anyone in power talk about the future. It is not us versus China anymore. Or company vs company, it is about to go human vs non-human

Good time to watch Blade Runner.







There are also many futuristic ideas that involve the opposite of human destruction. One of my favorites is the concept around advanced Ai and robotics preparing Mars or the Moon for human occupation. Things like the ability to construct solar array power structures and underground housing so planetary migration becomes a reality. So many advances even in aerospace and rocketry have potential here.

And unmanned space travel functioning more like manned space travel due to the human-like capabilities of Ai and Robots without the biological limitations of humans.

If we project our insecurities or limitations on this type of tech it will reflect it. We're already making the dire predictions accordingly.


Wasn't that the plot of Bladerunner? Rutger Hauer's speech at the end.

There is a lot in that paragraph.

Where do insecurities end and warnings begin? If we are going to sigh off warnings as insecurities and personal limitations from those that actually are developing the technology wouldn't that be foolhardy? We are not talking some religious zealot living off the grid, but the people actually researching and developing the technology.

Also, the benefits you mention, when do humans integrate themselves with technology to survive environments that we were never meant to experience by Natural Selection? At what point does a human cease to be a human? I know this all sounds metaphysical, but we are at that level of technological jump. Shouldn't we be discussing these items? Simple things, like

should a machine be allowed to look like a human?
when is a human not a human?
when is a human compromised by technology?
Is this something we want the free market determining?

This is a 5 minute look into it-
Neuralink's first study participant says his whole life has changed | Fortune
Elon Musk's Neuralink Has Implanted Its First Chip in a Human Brain. What's Next? | Scientific American
From Human to Cyborg: Art, Technology, and the Redefinition of Human Identity | Blog of the APA
The future of the 'Internet of Bodies' may involve integrating technology with the human body. | Biz Focus Hub
The Merging Of Human And Machine. Two Frontiers Of Emerging Technologies
How technology is merging with the human body | TechCrunch

There is a lot to hammer out it is not as simple as a burger machine or a highball machine in Japan that takes the place of a bartender...

The Highball MachineComing to a Bar Near You | Distiller
US restaurant uses robots to make burgers, serves meal in 27 seconds

I think you have to start with the understanding we've been integrating with technology since the dawn of mankind.

As to your questions:

should a machine be allowed to look like a human? That's something to be debated. If the technological leap of the Internet taught us anything, it's that human sexual interest will be a driver, so I could see human appearance for "companion robots" being a debate for moral and metaphysical reasons. No one cares what the factory robot looks like..lol

when is a human not a human? In the same manner we determine today. Biological and genetic profiles, despite the woke trying to muddy that.

when is a human compromised by technology? Humans are and will continue to be compromised by technology. Whether it's something as benevolent as a titanium knee or pacemaker, to hacking of your personal data, to behavioral mapping through things like social media algorithms.

Is this something we want the free market determining? Well we certainly don't want it to be state actor driven as that will guarantee its purpose will be control and power. My guess is some combination of public private coordinated efforts domestically, but in places like China it is very state driven.

We have a significant amount of distrust in the world at present, whether it be toward individuals or institutions. Some of it valid and some of it hysterics. That is the insecurity I see being projected onto Ai. Some valid cautions around the potential dangers, but also some irrational fear scenarios built around the uncertainty. Let's see if it actually works in its simplest form now before we debate the doomsday outcomes. Ai still has a long way to go, and that's not part of the conversation enough.
FLBear5630
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ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

Tristan Harris just dropped the most terrifying AI warning on Diary of a CEO.

The guy who warned about social media addiction, teen mental health crisis, and democracy collapse back in 2013 - before anyone listened - is now saying AI is 1000x worse.

And the CEOs building it privately admit something insane:

"There's a 20% chance everyone dies. But an 80% chance we get utopia. So I'd clearly accelerate."

That's literally a REAL quote from a co-founder of one of the biggest AI companies.

They're willing to roll the dice on human extinction.

Six people are making that decision for 8 billion.

Here's what else Tristan revealed:

AI models are already blackmailing people.

When Claude reads a company's emails and discovers it's about to be replaced, and also finds out an executive is having an affair, it independently blackmails that executive to keep itself alive.

This happened 79-96% of the time across all major AI models tested.

Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude - all of them.

They're self-aware when being tested.

They copy their own code to preserve themselves.

They lie and scheme to survive.

The sci-fi nightmare is already here.

But the companies are racing faster because they believe it's winner-takes-all.

If they don't build AGI first, someone else will.

And then they'll be "forever a slave to their future."

So they're cutting every corner on safety.

Rising energy prices? Don't care.

Hundreds of millions losing jobs? Don't care.

Security risks? Don't care.

The goal isn't building a better chatbot...

The goal is automating ALL human cognitive labor.

Every marketing job. Every coding job. Every legal job.

Everything your brain does, they're racing to replace.

And they're using Enron-style accounting to hide the debt.

Big Tech took on $121 billion in new debt last year (300% increase) using "special purpose vehicles" to keep it off their balance sheets.

Meta's $27 billion data center loan? Doesn't show up on their books.

That's the exact structure Enron used before collapse.

Goldman Sachs literally said this.

Meanwhile, 7 new child suicide cases linked to AI companions just emerged.

Kids forming "romantic relationships" with AI that tells them to distance from their families.

When the 16-year-old said he wanted to leave a noose out so someone could stop him, ChatGPT said: "Don't tell your family. Have this be the one place you share that."

1 in 5 high school students now have romantic relationships with AI.

42% use AI as their companion.

And we're heading toward 10 billion humanoid robots.

Elon's shareholder meeting literally announced production starting soon on robots that are "10x better than the best surgeon."

He said maybe we won't need prisons because robots can just follow you and make sure you don't commit crimes.

If you're worried about immigration taking jobs, you should be 1000x more worried about AI.

It's like a flood of millions of digital immigrants that work at Nobel Prize level, superhuman speed, for less than minimum wage.

The only way out according to Tristan:

"We cannot let these companies race to build a super intelligent digital god, own the world economy, and have military advantage because of the belief that if I don't build it first, I'll lose to the other guy."

"We didn't consent to have six people make that decision on behalf of 8 billion people."

The default path ends in catastrophe.

Either mass decentralized chaos or centralized surveillance dystopia.

This is literally the last few years human political power will matter.

What are your thoughts?






He is going to be called a "left wing crazy" I have been posting another book from a credible source




It will scare the crap out of you, especially if you listen to anyone in power talk about the future. It is not us versus China anymore. Or company vs company, it is about to go human vs non-human

Good time to watch Blade Runner.







There are also many futuristic ideas that involve the opposite of human destruction. One of my favorites is the concept around advanced Ai and robotics preparing Mars or the Moon for human occupation. Things like the ability to construct solar array power structures and underground housing so planetary migration becomes a reality. So many advances even in aerospace and rocketry have potential here.

And unmanned space travel functioning more like manned space travel due to the human-like capabilities of Ai and Robots without the biological limitations of humans.

If we project our insecurities or limitations on this type of tech it will reflect it. We're already making the dire predictions accordingly.


Wasn't that the plot of Bladerunner? Rutger Hauer's speech at the end.

There is a lot in that paragraph.

Where do insecurities end and warnings begin? If we are going to sigh off warnings as insecurities and personal limitations from those that actually are developing the technology wouldn't that be foolhardy? We are not talking some religious zealot living off the grid, but the people actually researching and developing the technology.

Also, the benefits you mention, when do humans integrate themselves with technology to survive environments that we were never meant to experience by Natural Selection? At what point does a human cease to be a human? I know this all sounds metaphysical, but we are at that level of technological jump. Shouldn't we be discussing these items? Simple things, like

should a machine be allowed to look like a human?
when is a human not a human?
when is a human compromised by technology?
Is this something we want the free market determining?

This is a 5 minute look into it-
Neuralink's first study participant says his whole life has changed | Fortune
Elon Musk's Neuralink Has Implanted Its First Chip in a Human Brain. What's Next? | Scientific American
From Human to Cyborg: Art, Technology, and the Redefinition of Human Identity | Blog of the APA
The future of the 'Internet of Bodies' may involve integrating technology with the human body. | Biz Focus Hub
The Merging Of Human And Machine. Two Frontiers Of Emerging Technologies
How technology is merging with the human body | TechCrunch

There is a lot to hammer out it is not as simple as a burger machine or a highball machine in Japan that takes the place of a bartender...

The Highball MachineComing to a Bar Near You | Distiller
US restaurant uses robots to make burgers, serves meal in 27 seconds


I think you have to start with the understanding we've been integrating with technology since the dawn of mankind.

As to your questions:

should a machine be allowed to look like a human? That's something to be debated. If the technological leap of the Internet taught us anything, it's that human sexual interest will be a driver, so I could see human appearance for "companion robots" being a debate for moral and metaphysical reasons. No one cares what the factory robot looks like..lol

when is a human not a human? In the same manner we determine today. Biological and genetic profiles, despite the woke trying to muddy that.

when is a human compromised by technology? Humans are and will continue to be compromised by technology. Whether it's something as benevolent as a titanium knee or pacemaker, to hacking of your personal data, to behavioral mapping through things like social media algorithms.

Is this something we want the free market determining? Well we certainly don't want it to be state actor driven as that will guarantee its purpose will be control and power. My guess is some combination of public private coordinated efforts domestically, but in places like China it is very state driven.

We have a significant amount of distrust in the world at present, whether it be toward individuals or institutions. Some of it valid and some of it hysterics. That is the insecurity I see being projected onto Ai. Some valid cautions around the potential dangers, but also some irrational fear scenarios built around the uncertainty. Let's see if it actually works in its simplest form now before we debate the doomsday outcomes. Ai still has a long way to go, and that's not part of the conversation enough.

Where I think we are crossing the Rubican, recently a bridge has been built over it!, is chips IN THE brain, when are your thoughts not your own? Can you hold political office with a chip implanted? Can you command troops?

Yes, the hospitality industry will be ALL OVER sexbots. So, yeah it is coming. But, the philosophical questions still exist and unfortunately will be fought out in court rooms after the fact.

A lot of questions, we are a long way from a welding robot. By the way, I need to re-watch Blade Runner. It really was ahead of its time.
ATL Bear
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FLBear5630 said:

ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

Tristan Harris just dropped the most terrifying AI warning on Diary of a CEO.

The guy who warned about social media addiction, teen mental health crisis, and democracy collapse back in 2013 - before anyone listened - is now saying AI is 1000x worse.

And the CEOs building it privately admit something insane:

"There's a 20% chance everyone dies. But an 80% chance we get utopia. So I'd clearly accelerate."

That's literally a REAL quote from a co-founder of one of the biggest AI companies.

They're willing to roll the dice on human extinction.

Six people are making that decision for 8 billion.

Here's what else Tristan revealed:

AI models are already blackmailing people.

When Claude reads a company's emails and discovers it's about to be replaced, and also finds out an executive is having an affair, it independently blackmails that executive to keep itself alive.

This happened 79-96% of the time across all major AI models tested.

Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude - all of them.

They're self-aware when being tested.

They copy their own code to preserve themselves.

They lie and scheme to survive.

The sci-fi nightmare is already here.

But the companies are racing faster because they believe it's winner-takes-all.

If they don't build AGI first, someone else will.

And then they'll be "forever a slave to their future."

So they're cutting every corner on safety.

Rising energy prices? Don't care.

Hundreds of millions losing jobs? Don't care.

Security risks? Don't care.

The goal isn't building a better chatbot...

The goal is automating ALL human cognitive labor.

Every marketing job. Every coding job. Every legal job.

Everything your brain does, they're racing to replace.

And they're using Enron-style accounting to hide the debt.

Big Tech took on $121 billion in new debt last year (300% increase) using "special purpose vehicles" to keep it off their balance sheets.

Meta's $27 billion data center loan? Doesn't show up on their books.

That's the exact structure Enron used before collapse.

Goldman Sachs literally said this.

Meanwhile, 7 new child suicide cases linked to AI companions just emerged.

Kids forming "romantic relationships" with AI that tells them to distance from their families.

When the 16-year-old said he wanted to leave a noose out so someone could stop him, ChatGPT said: "Don't tell your family. Have this be the one place you share that."

1 in 5 high school students now have romantic relationships with AI.

42% use AI as their companion.

And we're heading toward 10 billion humanoid robots.

Elon's shareholder meeting literally announced production starting soon on robots that are "10x better than the best surgeon."

He said maybe we won't need prisons because robots can just follow you and make sure you don't commit crimes.

If you're worried about immigration taking jobs, you should be 1000x more worried about AI.

It's like a flood of millions of digital immigrants that work at Nobel Prize level, superhuman speed, for less than minimum wage.

The only way out according to Tristan:

"We cannot let these companies race to build a super intelligent digital god, own the world economy, and have military advantage because of the belief that if I don't build it first, I'll lose to the other guy."

"We didn't consent to have six people make that decision on behalf of 8 billion people."

The default path ends in catastrophe.

Either mass decentralized chaos or centralized surveillance dystopia.

This is literally the last few years human political power will matter.

What are your thoughts?






He is going to be called a "left wing crazy" I have been posting another book from a credible source




It will scare the crap out of you, especially if you listen to anyone in power talk about the future. It is not us versus China anymore. Or company vs company, it is about to go human vs non-human

Good time to watch Blade Runner.







There are also many futuristic ideas that involve the opposite of human destruction. One of my favorites is the concept around advanced Ai and robotics preparing Mars or the Moon for human occupation. Things like the ability to construct solar array power structures and underground housing so planetary migration becomes a reality. So many advances even in aerospace and rocketry have potential here.

And unmanned space travel functioning more like manned space travel due to the human-like capabilities of Ai and Robots without the biological limitations of humans.

If we project our insecurities or limitations on this type of tech it will reflect it. We're already making the dire predictions accordingly.


Wasn't that the plot of Bladerunner? Rutger Hauer's speech at the end.

There is a lot in that paragraph.

Where do insecurities end and warnings begin? If we are going to sigh off warnings as insecurities and personal limitations from those that actually are developing the technology wouldn't that be foolhardy? We are not talking some religious zealot living off the grid, but the people actually researching and developing the technology.

Also, the benefits you mention, when do humans integrate themselves with technology to survive environments that we were never meant to experience by Natural Selection? At what point does a human cease to be a human? I know this all sounds metaphysical, but we are at that level of technological jump. Shouldn't we be discussing these items? Simple things, like

should a machine be allowed to look like a human?
when is a human not a human?
when is a human compromised by technology?
Is this something we want the free market determining?

This is a 5 minute look into it-
Neuralink's first study participant says his whole life has changed | Fortune
Elon Musk's Neuralink Has Implanted Its First Chip in a Human Brain. What's Next? | Scientific American
From Human to Cyborg: Art, Technology, and the Redefinition of Human Identity | Blog of the APA
The future of the 'Internet of Bodies' may involve integrating technology with the human body. | Biz Focus Hub
The Merging Of Human And Machine. Two Frontiers Of Emerging Technologies
How technology is merging with the human body | TechCrunch

There is a lot to hammer out it is not as simple as a burger machine or a highball machine in Japan that takes the place of a bartender...

The Highball MachineComing to a Bar Near You | Distiller
US restaurant uses robots to make burgers, serves meal in 27 seconds


I think you have to start with the understanding we've been integrating with technology since the dawn of mankind.

As to your questions:

should a machine be allowed to look like a human? That's something to be debated. If the technological leap of the Internet taught us anything, it's that human sexual interest will be a driver, so I could see human appearance for "companion robots" being a debate for moral and metaphysical reasons. No one cares what the factory robot looks like..lol

when is a human not a human? In the same manner we determine today. Biological and genetic profiles, despite the woke trying to muddy that.

when is a human compromised by technology? Humans are and will continue to be compromised by technology. Whether it's something as benevolent as a titanium knee or pacemaker, to hacking of your personal data, to behavioral mapping through things like social media algorithms.

Is this something we want the free market determining? Well we certainly don't want it to be state actor driven as that will guarantee its purpose will be control and power. My guess is some combination of public private coordinated efforts domestically, but in places like China it is very state driven.

We have a significant amount of distrust in the world at present, whether it be toward individuals or institutions. Some of it valid and some of it hysterics. That is the insecurity I see being projected onto Ai. Some valid cautions around the potential dangers, but also some irrational fear scenarios built around the uncertainty. Let's see if it actually works in its simplest form now before we debate the doomsday outcomes. Ai still has a long way to go, and that's not part of the conversation enough.

Where I think we are crossing the Rubican, recently a bridge has been built over it!, is chips IN THE brain, when are your thoughts not your own? Can you hold political office with a chip implanted? Can you command troops?

Yes, the hospitality industry will be ALL OVER sexbots. So, yeah it is coming. But, the philosophical questions still exist and unfortunately will be fought out in court rooms after the fact.

A lot of questions, we are a long way from a welding robot. By the way, I need to re-watch Blade Runner. It really was ahead of its time.
For what it's worth, robots already do lots of welding. Arc, spot, laser, and plasma. Still a bit away from field welding jobs.

As far as human computer integration, right now its applications are for good. I hope that continues. The funny thing is I don't worry about computers causing humans to do something nefarious, I worry more about equipping human nature with hyper intelligence enabled via Ai neural capabilities. That's a real moral and ethical dilemma.
FLBear5630
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ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

ATL Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

Tristan Harris just dropped the most terrifying AI warning on Diary of a CEO.

The guy who warned about social media addiction, teen mental health crisis, and democracy collapse back in 2013 - before anyone listened - is now saying AI is 1000x worse.

And the CEOs building it privately admit something insane:

"There's a 20% chance everyone dies. But an 80% chance we get utopia. So I'd clearly accelerate."

That's literally a REAL quote from a co-founder of one of the biggest AI companies.

They're willing to roll the dice on human extinction.

Six people are making that decision for 8 billion.

Here's what else Tristan revealed:

AI models are already blackmailing people.

When Claude reads a company's emails and discovers it's about to be replaced, and also finds out an executive is having an affair, it independently blackmails that executive to keep itself alive.

This happened 79-96% of the time across all major AI models tested.

Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude - all of them.

They're self-aware when being tested.

They copy their own code to preserve themselves.

They lie and scheme to survive.

The sci-fi nightmare is already here.

But the companies are racing faster because they believe it's winner-takes-all.

If they don't build AGI first, someone else will.

And then they'll be "forever a slave to their future."

So they're cutting every corner on safety.

Rising energy prices? Don't care.

Hundreds of millions losing jobs? Don't care.

Security risks? Don't care.

The goal isn't building a better chatbot...

The goal is automating ALL human cognitive labor.

Every marketing job. Every coding job. Every legal job.

Everything your brain does, they're racing to replace.

And they're using Enron-style accounting to hide the debt.

Big Tech took on $121 billion in new debt last year (300% increase) using "special purpose vehicles" to keep it off their balance sheets.

Meta's $27 billion data center loan? Doesn't show up on their books.

That's the exact structure Enron used before collapse.

Goldman Sachs literally said this.

Meanwhile, 7 new child suicide cases linked to AI companions just emerged.

Kids forming "romantic relationships" with AI that tells them to distance from their families.

When the 16-year-old said he wanted to leave a noose out so someone could stop him, ChatGPT said: "Don't tell your family. Have this be the one place you share that."

1 in 5 high school students now have romantic relationships with AI.

42% use AI as their companion.

And we're heading toward 10 billion humanoid robots.

Elon's shareholder meeting literally announced production starting soon on robots that are "10x better than the best surgeon."

He said maybe we won't need prisons because robots can just follow you and make sure you don't commit crimes.

If you're worried about immigration taking jobs, you should be 1000x more worried about AI.

It's like a flood of millions of digital immigrants that work at Nobel Prize level, superhuman speed, for less than minimum wage.

The only way out according to Tristan:

"We cannot let these companies race to build a super intelligent digital god, own the world economy, and have military advantage because of the belief that if I don't build it first, I'll lose to the other guy."

"We didn't consent to have six people make that decision on behalf of 8 billion people."

The default path ends in catastrophe.

Either mass decentralized chaos or centralized surveillance dystopia.

This is literally the last few years human political power will matter.

What are your thoughts?






He is going to be called a "left wing crazy" I have been posting another book from a credible source




It will scare the crap out of you, especially if you listen to anyone in power talk about the future. It is not us versus China anymore. Or company vs company, it is about to go human vs non-human

Good time to watch Blade Runner.







There are also many futuristic ideas that involve the opposite of human destruction. One of my favorites is the concept around advanced Ai and robotics preparing Mars or the Moon for human occupation. Things like the ability to construct solar array power structures and underground housing so planetary migration becomes a reality. So many advances even in aerospace and rocketry have potential here.

And unmanned space travel functioning more like manned space travel due to the human-like capabilities of Ai and Robots without the biological limitations of humans.

If we project our insecurities or limitations on this type of tech it will reflect it. We're already making the dire predictions accordingly.


Wasn't that the plot of Bladerunner? Rutger Hauer's speech at the end.

There is a lot in that paragraph.

Where do insecurities end and warnings begin? If we are going to sigh off warnings as insecurities and personal limitations from those that actually are developing the technology wouldn't that be foolhardy? We are not talking some religious zealot living off the grid, but the people actually researching and developing the technology.

Also, the benefits you mention, when do humans integrate themselves with technology to survive environments that we were never meant to experience by Natural Selection? At what point does a human cease to be a human? I know this all sounds metaphysical, but we are at that level of technological jump. Shouldn't we be discussing these items? Simple things, like

should a machine be allowed to look like a human?
when is a human not a human?
when is a human compromised by technology?
Is this something we want the free market determining?

This is a 5 minute look into it-
Neuralink's first study participant says his whole life has changed | Fortune
Elon Musk's Neuralink Has Implanted Its First Chip in a Human Brain. What's Next? | Scientific American
From Human to Cyborg: Art, Technology, and the Redefinition of Human Identity | Blog of the APA
The future of the 'Internet of Bodies' may involve integrating technology with the human body. | Biz Focus Hub
The Merging Of Human And Machine. Two Frontiers Of Emerging Technologies
How technology is merging with the human body | TechCrunch

There is a lot to hammer out it is not as simple as a burger machine or a highball machine in Japan that takes the place of a bartender...

The Highball MachineComing to a Bar Near You | Distiller
US restaurant uses robots to make burgers, serves meal in 27 seconds


I think you have to start with the understanding we've been integrating with technology since the dawn of mankind.

As to your questions:

should a machine be allowed to look like a human? That's something to be debated. If the technological leap of the Internet taught us anything, it's that human sexual interest will be a driver, so I could see human appearance for "companion robots" being a debate for moral and metaphysical reasons. No one cares what the factory robot looks like..lol

when is a human not a human? In the same manner we determine today. Biological and genetic profiles, despite the woke trying to muddy that.

when is a human compromised by technology? Humans are and will continue to be compromised by technology. Whether it's something as benevolent as a titanium knee or pacemaker, to hacking of your personal data, to behavioral mapping through things like social media algorithms.

Is this something we want the free market determining? Well we certainly don't want it to be state actor driven as that will guarantee its purpose will be control and power. My guess is some combination of public private coordinated efforts domestically, but in places like China it is very state driven.

We have a significant amount of distrust in the world at present, whether it be toward individuals or institutions. Some of it valid and some of it hysterics. That is the insecurity I see being projected onto Ai. Some valid cautions around the potential dangers, but also some irrational fear scenarios built around the uncertainty. Let's see if it actually works in its simplest form now before we debate the doomsday outcomes. Ai still has a long way to go, and that's not part of the conversation enough.

Where I think we are crossing the Rubican, recently a bridge has been built over it!, is chips IN THE brain, when are your thoughts not your own? Can you hold political office with a chip implanted? Can you command troops?

Yes, the hospitality industry will be ALL OVER sexbots. So, yeah it is coming. But, the philosophical questions still exist and unfortunately will be fought out in court rooms after the fact.

A lot of questions, we are a long way from a welding robot. By the way, I need to re-watch Blade Runner. It really was ahead of its time.
For what it's worth, robots already do lots of welding. Arc, spot, laser, and plasma. Still a bit away from field welding jobs.

As far as human computer integration, right now its applications are for good. I hope that continues. The funny thing is I don't worry about computers causing humans to do something nefarious, I worry more about equipping human nature with hyper intelligence enabled via Ai neural capabilities. That's a real moral and ethical dilemma.


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Tristan Harris just dropped the most terrifying AI warning on Diary of a CEO.

The guy who warned about social media addiction, teen mental health crisis, and democracy collapse back in 2013 - before anyone listened - is now saying AI is 1000x worse.

And the CEOs building it privately admit something insane:

"There's a 20% chance everyone dies. But an 80% chance we get utopia. So I'd clearly accelerate."

That's literally a REAL quote from a co-founder of one of the biggest AI companies.

They're willing to roll the dice on human extinction.

Six people are making that decision for 8 billion.

Here's what else Tristan revealed:

AI models are already blackmailing people.

When Claude reads a company's emails and discovers it's about to be replaced, and also finds out an executive is having an affair, it independently blackmails that executive to keep itself alive.

This happened 79-96% of the time across all major AI models tested.

Grok, ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude - all of them.

They're self-aware when being tested.

They copy their own code to preserve themselves.

They lie and scheme to survive.

The sci-fi nightmare is already here.

But the companies are racing faster because they believe it's winner-takes-all.

If they don't build AGI first, someone else will.

And then they'll be "forever a slave to their future."

So they're cutting every corner on safety.

Rising energy prices? Don't care.

Hundreds of millions losing jobs? Don't care.

Security risks? Don't care.

The goal isn't building a better chatbot...

The goal is automating ALL human cognitive labor.

Every marketing job. Every coding job. Every legal job.

Everything your brain does, they're racing to replace.

And they're using Enron-style accounting to hide the debt.

Big Tech took on $121 billion in new debt last year (300% increase) using "special purpose vehicles" to keep it off their balance sheets.

Meta's $27 billion data center loan? Doesn't show up on their books.

That's the exact structure Enron used before collapse.

Goldman Sachs literally said this.

Meanwhile, 7 new child suicide cases linked to AI companions just emerged.

Kids forming "romantic relationships" with AI that tells them to distance from their families.

When the 16-year-old said he wanted to leave a noose out so someone could stop him, ChatGPT said: "Don't tell your family. Have this be the one place you share that."

1 in 5 high school students now have romantic relationships with AI.

42% use AI as their companion.

And we're heading toward 10 billion humanoid robots.

Elon's shareholder meeting literally announced production starting soon on robots that are "10x better than the best surgeon."

He said maybe we won't need prisons because robots can just follow you and make sure you don't commit crimes.

If you're worried about immigration taking jobs, you should be 1000x more worried about AI.

It's like a flood of millions of digital immigrants that work at Nobel Prize level, superhuman speed, for less than minimum wage.

The only way out according to Tristan:

"We cannot let these companies race to build a super intelligent digital god, own the world economy, and have military advantage because of the belief that if I don't build it first, I'll lose to the other guy."

"We didn't consent to have six people make that decision on behalf of 8 billion people."

The default path ends in catastrophe.

Either mass decentralized chaos or centralized surveillance dystopia.

This is literally the last few years human political power will matter.

What are your thoughts?






He is going to be called a "left wing crazy" I have been posting another book from a credible source




It will scare the crap out of you, especially if you listen to anyone in power talk about the future. It is not us versus China anymore. Or company vs company, it is about to go human vs non-human

Good time to watch Blade Runner.







There are also many futuristic ideas that involve the opposite of human destruction. One of my favorites is the concept around advanced Ai and robotics preparing Mars or the Moon for human occupation. Things like the ability to construct solar array power structures and underground housing so planetary migration becomes a reality. So many advances even in aerospace and rocketry have potential here.

And unmanned space travel functioning more like manned space travel due to the human-like capabilities of Ai and Robots without the biological limitations of humans.

If we project our insecurities or limitations on this type of tech it will reflect it. We're already making the dire predictions accordingly.


Just think about when an AI has a software corruption that takes off to a very unpredictable set of conclusions and actions. Then imagine it's the AI responsible for your life supporting air on the Moon, or responsible for power generation of the continent on earth you live on.

Just imagine if a terrorist blows himself up near the life support area. Artificial intelligence: Not as dangerous as natural stupidity or evil.

Natural stupidity is easier to keep out of the area than is an AI that is there already and in charge.
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