Are you comfortable with the drug strikes?

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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 1:25p, 10/16/25
Mitch Blood Green said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.


You comfortable that they are "drug dealers?" What if they aren't?


I am very comfortable our intelligence network knows exactly who they were .


Then I'm looking forward to this press conference.



LOL

If it was Obama you would believe anything .


If it were Obama, they'd be more forthcoming


Naive


It's actually distrust on your side.

Remember Jade Helm? No amount of explanation was gonna get conservatives to believe the truth.

The great irony is conservatives were outraged at the thought of military deployments which is what is being done in American cities today.


Yes buddy

The politicians you like tell you the truth

Sweet little fella


Why are you honest people starting to behave as if this is all normal? Blowing up boats in international waters? Our Navy/Coast guard can't arrest? We can all say disagree on politics.

Are we ok if Columbia starts shooting US boats in the Caribbean saying they are gun runners?

Context clues help quite a bit with this one. What kind of boats are we striking? Where are they? Who's on them? How are they behaving? What's on them? What has our coast guard's experience been trying to catch them?

Who are you afraid that we are killing, and why would we be doing it?

We don't really have any information. "Speed" boats don't disclose their fuel and payload capacities.

I am afraid that we are killing ourselves. Might makes right isn't who we are.


I'm pretty sure we have surveillance drones capable of getting an ID on the boats and seeing what is being loaded.

Then go to the skiff and show it to the congresspeople who are becoming concerned.

Pull them in with a tractor beam, eh?
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In reply to EatMoreSalmon • 1:26p, 10/16/25
EatMoreSalmon said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.


You comfortable that they are "drug dealers?" What if they aren't?


I am very comfortable our intelligence network knows exactly who they were .


Then I'm looking forward to this press conference.



LOL

If it was Obama you would believe anything .


If it were Obama, they'd be more forthcoming


Naive


It's actually distrust on your side.

Remember Jade Helm? No amount of explanation was gonna get conservatives to believe the truth.

The great irony is conservatives were outraged at the thought of military deployments which is what is being done in American cities today.


Yes buddy

The politicians you like tell you the truth

Sweet little fella


Why are you honest people starting to behave as if this is all normal? Blowing up boats in international waters? Our Navy/Coast guard can't arrest? We can all say disagree on politics.

Are we ok if Columbia starts shooting US boats in the Caribbean saying they are gun runners?

Context clues help quite a bit with this one. What kind of boats are we striking? Where are they? Who's on them? How are they behaving? What's on them? What has our coast guard's experience been trying to catch them?

Who are you afraid that we are killing, and why would we be doing it?

We don't really have any information. "Speed" boats don't disclose their fuel and payload capacities.

I am afraid that we are killing ourselves. Might makes right isn't who we are.


I'm pretty sure we have surveillance drones capable of getting an ID on the boats and seeing what is being loaded.

Then go to the skiff and show it to the congresspeople who are becoming concerned.

Pull them in with a tractor beam, eh?


That order was signed almost a year ago by autopen
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 1:49p, 10/16/25
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.


You comfortable that they are "drug dealers?" What if they aren't?


I am very comfortable our intelligence network knows exactly who they were .


Then I'm looking forward to this press conference.



LOL

If it was Obama you would believe anything .


If it were Obama, they'd be more forthcoming


Naive


It's actually distrust on your side.

Remember Jade Helm? No amount of explanation was gonna get conservatives to believe the truth.

The great irony is conservatives were outraged at the thought of military deployments which is what is being done in American cities today.


Yes buddy

The politicians you like tell you the truth

Sweet little fella


Why are you honest people starting to behave as if this is all normal? Blowing up boats in international waters? Our Navy/Coast guard can't arrest? We can all say disagree on politics.

Are we ok if Columbia starts shooting US boats in the Caribbean saying they are gun runners?

Context clues help quite a bit with this one. What kind of boats are we striking? Where are they? Who's on them? How are they behaving? What's on them? What has our coast guard's experience been trying to catch them?

Who are you afraid that we are killing, and why would we be doing it?

We don't really have any information.


Who is we? You and me personally? If so, that's certainly true.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 1:50p, 10/16/25
Mitch Blood Green said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.


You comfortable that they are "drug dealers?" What if they aren't?


I am very comfortable our intelligence network knows exactly who they were .


Then I'm looking forward to this press conference.



LOL

If it was Obama you would believe anything .


If it were Obama, they'd be more forthcoming


Naive


It's actually distrust on your side.

Remember Jade Helm? No amount of explanation was gonna get conservatives to believe the truth.

The great irony is conservatives were outraged at the thought of military deployments which is what is being done in American cities today.


Yes buddy

The politicians you like tell you the truth

Sweet little fella


Why are you honest people starting to behave as if this is all normal? Blowing up boats in international waters? Our Navy/Coast guard can't arrest? We can all say disagree on politics.

Are we ok if Columbia starts shooting US boats in the Caribbean saying they are gun runners?

Context clues help quite a bit with this one. What kind of boats are we striking? Where are they? Who's on them? How are they behaving? What's on them? What has our coast guard's experience been trying to catch them?

Who are you afraid that we are killing, and why would we be doing it?

We don't really have any information. "Speed" boats don't disclose their fuel and payload capacities.

I am afraid that we are killing ourselves. Might makes right isn't who we are.


I'm pretty sure we have surveillance drones capable of getting an ID on the boats and seeing what is being loaded.

Then go to the skiff and show it to the congresspeople who are becoming concerned.

Seems reasonable. Maybe the fear is someone like Schiff would emerge from the skiff and run straight to CNN with a mouthful of lies, exaggerations and fabrications.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 2:56p, 10/16/25
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I hope they dance this mess around. Do all sixteen dances.
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In reply to BearFan33 • 3:17p, 10/16/25
BearFan33 said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
Robert Wilson said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.


You comfortable that they are "drug dealers?" What if they aren't?


I am very comfortable our intelligence network knows exactly who they were .


Then I'm looking forward to this press conference.



LOL

If it was Obama you would believe anything .


If it were Obama, they'd be more forthcoming


Naive


It's actually distrust on your side.

Remember Jade Helm? No amount of explanation was gonna get conservatives to believe the truth.

The great irony is conservatives were outraged at the thought of military deployments which is what is being done in American cities today.


Yes buddy

The politicians you like tell you the truth

Sweet little fella


Why are you honest people starting to behave as if this is all normal? Blowing up boats in international waters? Our Navy/Coast guard can't arrest? We can all say disagree on politics.

Are we ok if Columbia starts shooting US boats in the Caribbean saying they are gun runners?

Context clues help quite a bit with this one. What kind of boats are we striking? Where are they? Who's on them? How are they behaving? What's on them? What has our coast guard's experience been trying to catch them?

Who are you afraid that we are killing, and why would we be doing it?

We don't really have any information. "Speed" boats don't disclose their fuel and payload capacities.

I am afraid that we are killing ourselves. Might makes right isn't who we are.


I'm pretty sure we have surveillance drones capable of getting an ID on the boats and seeing what is being loaded.

Then go to the skiff and show it to the congresspeople who are becoming concerned.

Seems reasonable. Maybe the fear is someone like Schiff would emerge from the skiff and run straight to CNN with a mouthful of lies, exaggerations and fabrications.

Which makes it perfectly reasonable to withhold it from Congress. The Schiffs, Omar's, and AOC's there are also liable to leak the surveillance strategy and methods to Maduro so that he can circumvent them. I'd rather they be shown the post-mortem stuff like the thousands of pounds of drugs floating in the ocean for proof.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 3:29p, 10/16/25
Mitch Blood Green said:
boognish_bear said:


I hope they dance this mess around. Do all sixteen dances.


Hope they carpet bomb the drug labs that knowingly kill thousands of Americans every year.
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In reply to whiterock • 6:22p, 10/16/25
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Mitch Blood Green said:
BearFan33 said:
boognish_bear said:

I guess some were getting through based on the performance of boats used by the drug runners. That provides some justification for blowing them up.


Just to be clear, they have boats that can outrun our boats and helicopters?

Our government represents us. I'm not comfortable with this action without proof. Trust me isn't enough for me.

You are asking the wrong questions. What we should be discussing is: why would we NOT use US military to destroy drug trafficking networks abroad?

The usual answer is that they are de facto allies helping us finance one of our covert wars against some regime that we dislike. I couldn't get away with saying it, but you said it for me -- we're trying to get rid of Maduro. You know well enough that only rubes think it's about drug trafficking.
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In reply to Redbrickbear • 6:26p, 10/16/25
Redbrickbear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says


I'm ok with it…anything to stop this horror

[In 2023, there were 72,776 overdose deaths involving synthetic opioids (primarily fentanyl) in the U.S., a slight decrease from 73,838 deaths in 2022. ]

Fentanyl is almost exclusively manufactured in Mexico and smuggled in through legal points of entry. In all the years since it became a problem in the US, there's not a single record of the Coast Guard interdicting a fentanyl shipment at sea.
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6:52p, 10/16/25
Seems that every time we regime change in Latin America, we get something worse.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 7:20p, 10/16/25
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Certainly an honorable thing, perhaps the only honorable thing to do. Unfortunately there's little chance his successor will have the same integrity.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 7:33p, 10/16/25
Well that depends how one interprets integrity. According to the dictionary it means
"the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness."

As a society it seems we no longer value that definition, especially when we cast our ballot.
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In reply to Mitch Blood Green • 8:06p, 10/16/25
Cry more.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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In reply to boognish_bear • 8:29p, 10/16/25
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Enjoy your retirement admiral.



Meanwhile let's bomb the living **** out of the drug cartels.
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In reply to Guy Noir • 9:37p, 10/16/25
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Robert Wilson said:
Guy Noir said:
canoso said:
BearFan33 said:
Maybe but I need more info on the why the rules of engagement changed. Why are we no longer boarding and detaining? Are these boats too hard to catch?

That isn't the issue. The real issues are 1) which way yields longer lasting results, and 2) which way puts our people in less danger. Also, I'm not allergic to discomfort.

I think it is the issue. What would prevent another country blowing up a USA Boat and claiming they were terrorist?

The fact that the USA would repay them at least tenfold, probably more?

But how could the USA be morally justified in "repaying" another country for doing the very actions that the USA is doing? Make no mistake, the USA actions of blowing up boats, are acts of war.

au contraire. Acts of war are a direct act of one sovereign power against another. Drug cartels, terror groups, etc,....are not sovereign powers. Indeed, that's precisely why states employ proxies....to sponsor actions against adversaries which deny said adversaries the justification of war as a response (which is not synonymous with military action). Eg. Iran sponsors Houthis, and give them weapons capable of interdicting all shipping in the Red Sea. If Iranian Navy did that, it would be an act of war against a laundry list of countries. But if Iran hires, trains, arms, Houthis do the job for them, the Houthis bear the brunt of any response. Iran gets the policy effect it wants, without having to incur direct accountability for it. The Houthis bear the brunt of the response (but get money & weapons which build its political base at home.

That's the rationale for smoking cartel cigarette boats. The boats & goods & people aboard may be part of a drug cartel headed by a senior Venezuelan government official, but they are explicitly...by design....NOT Venezuelan government assets. They are a proxy. And the Venezuelan government may presume that because USG has never before used conventional military operations against drug trafficking, the USG will not do so again. Ergo what Trump is doing catches the Venezuelan government off-guard, presenting them with a problem they are not currently structured to deal with.

Will those Venezuelan military officers running the cartels take the ass-kicking and not attempt to punish the US military in its response....or will they choose to remove Maduro from power for having badly mismanaged foreign policy against the USA?

Put my money on the square that Trump wants to take the Venezuelan regime out.
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In reply to Robert Wilson • 10:33p, 10/16/25
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LIB,MR BEARS said:
Sam Lowry said:
It seems we're all in agreement that politicians lie.

So what's the solution? Limit their power, or keep adding to it indefinitely?


I had to hide my laugh behind my mask when Sam started going own about limited power and government lies.

The dudes a hoot

Lockdown Harder Sam cares so much about limiting executive power.

Too bad we didn't have an executive like Trump back in 2020.
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10:48p, 10/16/25
The magic of 18 million votes……never seen before or after ….made sure Biden 'won' in 2020.
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In reply to Bruisers Burner Phone • 11:21p, 10/16/25
OsoCoreyell said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

If only Americans would stop creating a market for the drugs. Drug dealers exist because there is a market for what they produce.

If I find drugs in my grandsons backpack should I talk to him and discuss the perils of abusing drugs or should I go shoot the people I think might be responsible for selling them? Which would probably help my grandson? Even if I exterminated all dealers in a 20 mile radius more drug dealers would move into the area. Educating my grandson, showing him examples of what drug usage can lead to, and trying to figure out why he thought he needed drugs would be more effective.

Should we bomb suspicious looking vessels from foreign countries in international waters or deal with the Americans that keep them in business?


False choice. Both can and should be done. Doing one doesn't prevent doing the other.

If we take care of business at home there wouldnt be boats bringing drugs.

Americans create the need. We kill people responding to the need.


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In reply to Sam Lowry • 11:28p, 10/16/25
Sam Lowry said:
Redbrickbear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says


I'm ok with it…anything to stop this horror

[In 2023, there were 72,776 overdose deaths involving synthetic opioids (primarily fentanyl) in the U.S., a slight decrease from 73,838 deaths in 2022. ]

Fentanyl is almost exclusively manufactured in Mexico and smuggled in through legal points of entry. In all the years since it became a problem in the US, there's not a single record of the Coast Guard interdicting a fentanyl shipment at sea.

SSHHHH. He's on a roll.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 11:28p, 10/16/25
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
OsoCoreyell said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

If only Americans would stop creating a market for the drugs. Drug dealers exist because there is a market for what they produce.

If I find drugs in my grandsons backpack should I talk to him and discuss the perils of abusing drugs or should I go shoot the people I think might be responsible for selling them? Which would probably help my grandson? Even if I exterminated all dealers in a 20 mile radius more drug dealers would move into the area. Educating my grandson, showing him examples of what drug usage can lead to, and trying to figure out why he thought he needed drugs would be more effective.

Should we bomb suspicious looking vessels from foreign countries in international waters or deal with the Americans that keep them in business?


False choice. Both can and should be done. Doing one doesn't prevent doing the other.

If we take care of business at home there wouldnt be boats bringing drugs.

Americans create the need. We kill people responding to the need.




You buy electronics, shoes and clothes thereby creating a need. Child labor has been used to fulfill your need. You should go to prison.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 11:33p, 10/16/25
Sam Lowry said:
Robert Wilson said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Sam Lowry said:
It seems we're all in agreement that politicians lie.

So what's the solution? Limit their power, or keep adding to it indefinitely?


I had to hide my laugh behind my mask when Sam started going own about limited power and government lies.

The dudes a hoot

Lockdown Harder Sam cares so much about limiting executive power.

Too bad we didn't have an executive like Trump back in 2020.


He ****ed that up royally. It's nice that you and his worst big govt tendencies got to enjoy each other for a little while.
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In reply to Robert Wilson • 11:54p, 10/16/25
What planet did you live on, 2021-2024?
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 12:13a, 10/17/25
Oldbear83 said:
What planet did you live on, 2021-2024?


Trump ****ed up royally by handing the reins of society to a couple of supposed experts and backing a bill that gave away trillions of dollars while we encouraged people to stay home and do nothing. He completely failed to show leadership in a critical moment. But then the Democrats, of course, went and made it a whole lot worse after the Republicans started to come to their senses.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 1:25a, 10/17/25
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
OsoCoreyell said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

If only Americans would stop creating a market for the drugs. Drug dealers exist because there is a market for what they produce.

If I find drugs in my grandsons backpack should I talk to him and discuss the perils of abusing drugs or should I go shoot the people I think might be responsible for selling them? Which would probably help my grandson? Even if I exterminated all dealers in a 20 mile radius more drug dealers would move into the area. Educating my grandson, showing him examples of what drug usage can lead to, and trying to figure out why he thought he needed drugs would be more effective.

Should we bomb suspicious looking vessels from foreign countries in international waters or deal with the Americans that keep them in business?


False choice. Both can and should be done. Doing one doesn't prevent doing the other.

If we take care of business at home there wouldnt be boats bringing drugs.

Americans create the need. We kill people responding to the need.




Says the guy who wants to legalize dangerous narcotics and thereby make them much more accessible to our people.

Approximately 100,000 Americans die of drug overdoses annually. If a relative handful of cartel members get killed attempting to bring this poison to our shores it is fine with most Americans.

If an obvious narco dictator gets removed in the process even better.
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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 2:12a, 10/17/25
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

If only Americans would stop creating a market for the drugs. Drug dealers exist because there is a market for what they produce.

If I find drugs in my grandsons backpack should I talk to him and discuss the perils of abusing drugs or should I go shoot the people I think might be responsible for selling them? Which would probably help my grandson? Even if I exterminated all dealers in a 20 mile radius more drug dealers would move into the area. Educating my grandson, showing him examples of what drug usage can lead to, and trying to figure out why he thought he needed drugs would be more effective.

Should we bomb suspicious looking vessels from foreign countries in international waters or deal with the Americans that keep them in business?


You really had me going for a bit; all this best path, love for grandson stuff. You almost sounded like you cared for others.

Then your typical selfishness reared its ugly head. "Suspicious looking".

It's never about the kids, is it? It's always you first and consequences second. Repeatedly!

You don't afford the nation the same.

Drug addiction >>> consequences >>>response

Sex addiction >>> consequences >>>response

What was selfish about what I said? As long as Americans want drugs there will be people to deliver them. Take away the demand and the supply will end. Working with and trying to help Americans with drug problems seems like a better idea than killing people that may or may not be running drugs.
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 5:51a, 10/17/25
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
OsoCoreyell said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

If only Americans would stop creating a market for the drugs. Drug dealers exist because there is a market for what they produce.

If I find drugs in my grandsons backpack should I talk to him and discuss the perils of abusing drugs or should I go shoot the people I think might be responsible for selling them? Which would probably help my grandson? Even if I exterminated all dealers in a 20 mile radius more drug dealers would move into the area. Educating my grandson, showing him examples of what drug usage can lead to, and trying to figure out why he thought he needed drugs would be more effective.

Should we bomb suspicious looking vessels from foreign countries in international waters or deal with the Americans that keep them in business?


False choice. Both can and should be done. Doing one doesn't prevent doing the other.

If we take care of business at home there wouldnt be boats bringing drugs.

Americans create the need. We kill people responding to the need.




That's crack thinking. Fentanyl? it's their fault.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 6:05a, 10/17/25
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Does the article say WHY he is stepping down?

The fact that he is stepping down could easily be unrelated to any actions against drug cartels.

What does the article say and, better yet, what does he say?
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6:15a, 10/17/25
drug running is the tip of the iceberg down there:

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HOLEE SHIZZLES

The DOJ Just Dropped a MAJOR BOMBSHELL Federal prosecutors in Miami indicted Smartmatic and its parent company, SGO Corporation Ltd., on charges of CONSPIRING TO BRIBE FOREIGN OFFICIALS AND MONEY LAUNDERING

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

According to court filings, company executives allegedly funneled about $1 million in bribes to a top election official there. In return, Smartmatic snagged contracts worth a whopping $199 million to provide voting tech.

The charges invoke the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA), the U.S. law cracking down on overseas bribery by American-linked firms. It's a rare movecompanies don't usually get indicted outright; they often settle quietly to dodge trials.

Smartmatic (the main player) and SGO Corporation Ltd. (its Bermuda-based parent) targets three key guys:
- Roger Alejandro Piñate Martinez (Venezuelan): Accused of bribery and money laundering.
- Jorge Miguel Vasquez (U.S. citizen): Same charges.
- Elie Moreno (Venezuelan): Hit with money laundering and conspiracy counts.
- there is also an unnamed official who is the alleged bagman on the receiving end.

Article
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6:23a, 10/17/25

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VENEZUELA Feds say Smartmatic bribed Venezuela's top election official with luxury home By Antonio Mara Delgado Updated August 4, 2025 7:46 PM

Smartmatic co-founder Roger Piñate faces bribery and money laundering charges related to contracts obtained in the Philippines. Smartmatic

Federal prosecutors in South Florida allege that Venezuelan-American tech executive Roger Piñate co-founder of the voting technology company Smartmatic secretly bribed Venezuela's longtime elections chief, Tibisay Lucena Ramrez, by transferring control of a luxury residence in Caracas to her in exchange for political favors. The alleged bribe, according to prosecutors, was intended to help Smartmatic secure Lucena's help in a commercial dispute with the Venezuela government, following the company's August 2017 accusation that the Nicols Maduro regime committed fraud in the National Constituent Assembly electiona claim that led Smartmatic to cease operations in the country.

The bribe allegation, detailed in new court filing, is expected to be used by Miami federal prosecutors as evidence against Piñate, who is charged with multiple counts of money laundering and bribery related to contracts in the Philippines. The U.S. government plans to present photographs, witness testimony, and encrypted text messages to demonstrate that Piñate, 49, orchestrated the transfer of an upper-middle-class home with a pool to Lucena Ramrez between April and July 2019. Prosecutors claim the house was offered as a bribe to secure favorable treatment from Lucena, who, as president of Venezuela's National Electoral Council wielded broad authority over the country's controversial voting system and its private vendors.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article311579664.html#storylink=cpy
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In reply to Limited IQ Redneck in PU • 7:23a, 10/17/25
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
OsoCoreyell said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
KaiBear said:
Mitch Blood Green said:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

If only Americans would stop creating a market for the drugs. Drug dealers exist because there is a market for what they produce.

If I find drugs in my grandsons backpack should I talk to him and discuss the perils of abusing drugs or should I go shoot the people I think might be responsible for selling them? Which would probably help my grandson? Even if I exterminated all dealers in a 20 mile radius more drug dealers would move into the area. Educating my grandson, showing him examples of what drug usage can lead to, and trying to figure out why he thought he needed drugs would be more effective.

Should we bomb suspicious looking vessels from foreign countries in international waters or deal with the Americans that keep them in business?


False choice. Both can and should be done. Doing one doesn't prevent doing the other.

If we take care of business at home there wouldnt be boats bringing drugs.

Americans create the need. We kill people responding to the need.



cause effect error.

Demand AND supply are problems. It is necessary to work on both.

We do work on both with USCG to interdict supply. And USCG efforts are clearly insufficient, in no small part because drug trafficking operations are afforded safehaven/support by rogue and/or failed states (powers which may or may not be willing/able to stop drug trafficking operations). But why must interdiction efforts be restricted to bringing drug traffickers into our courts? Why NOT interdict that supply with military operations on the open seas?

and, again, the foreign policy dimension cannot be ignored. The precursors for fentanyl are made in China. They are exported to Venezuela, where they receive pseudo-state support from cartel operations imbedded into Venezuelan government structures. China gets defacto proxy support from Venezuela on operations which destabilize its greatest foreign policy adversary (us). Senior Venezuelan govt officials get rich. USA gets weakened. USCG/USBP are clearly not able to significantly interdict the flow, so the choice is to accept the status quo or escalate. Trump admin has chosen latter. It works multiple problems at once - China, Venezuela, drug cartels, fentanyl use in our cities.

And then there's the practical considerations. Right now, they apply their strengths where we are weakest - 95,000 miles of shoreline - with assets tailored perfectly to evade interdiction (small, speedy boats carrying small but highly concentrated product). We send our navy to the Venezuela which has 1700 mi of coastal frontage, and we drastically shrink the field of operations with superior assets better able to detect and interdict. Plus, we save all the incarceration and court costs.

It takes considerable nincompoopery to quibble with what Trump is doing. The policy is putting pressure on a Chinese proxy that is doing great harm to us, arguably more than others we have recently used kinetic action against.

Do you relocate rattlesnakes, or just kill them?


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