Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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This kind of tripe spins your little wheel.

The reality that tens of thousands of Americans die from the illicit use of this drug doesn't matter to you at all.

Probably best for all concerned you have moved to southeast Asia.

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Is bombing boats we suspect have drugs on them really the best way to save lives? Kill a few to save many?

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Yes. They are not American so it really doesn't matter. If course we could concentrate in helping the abusers. No one forces them to abuse drugs. They choose to use.

Killing the guys in boats is like shooting waitresses and bar owners because they served you drinks. I wonder if alcohol or fentynal kills more Americans each year? One kills much more than the other.

GrowlTowel said:

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Yes.

Big fan of Tom Clancy - Clear and Present Danger was one of my favorite.

Hard to go wrong with Harrison Ford, Willem Dafoe, Anne Archer, and James Earl Jones. Toss in Donald Moffat and Joaquim de Almeida and you have an instant classic.

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Book is much better than the film

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Maybe but I need more info on the why the rules of engagement changed. Why are we no longer boarding and detaining? Are these boats too hard to catch?

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I'd prefer to see evidence myself. However, this is certainly not new for our forces.

West Indies: In the early 19th century, the U.S. Navy and Revenue Marine (a predecessor to the Coast Guard) conducted campaigns to suppress piracy in the Caribbean, particularly after the War of 1812.
Barbary Coast: The Barbary Wars in the early 1800s were fought to stop North African states from capturing U.S. merchant ships and holding crews for ransom.
Somalia: More recently, the U.S. military supported international counter-piracy efforts off the coast of Somalia. The U.S. Navy and Coast Guard have contributed to Task Force 151, which has helped suppress piracy in the region.

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The Barbary pirates were enslaving American merchant marines.

This list is only the beginning. Throughout the 20th century the US was involved in many operations in this hemisphere and many more everywhere during the Cold War.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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This kind of tripe spins your little wheel.

The reality that tens of thousands of Americans die from the illicit use of this drug doesn't matter to you at all.

Probably best for all concerned you have moved to southeast Asia.

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Is bombing boats we suspect have drugs on them really the best way to save lives? Kill a few to save many?

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Yes. They are not American so it really doesn't matter. If course we could concentrate in helping the abusers. No one forces them to abuse drugs. They choose to use.

Killing the guys in boats is like shooting waitresses and bar owners because they served you drinks. I wonder if alcohol or fentynal kills more Americans each year? One kills much more than the other.

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Trying to tackle drug abuse and addiction has to be a comprehensive effort....help for the user as well as breaking the supply chain IMO. Education to prevent people from trying it in the first place can be helpful. Despite our best efforts we will still probably fail.

I still haven't decided if we are overstepping or not here. There is a "war on drugs" but I'm uncomfortable with the chest pounding and celebration tone going on in the administration. They are proud of what they are doing instead of being sad that it has to happen.

I'm seeing more evidence that these strikes are directed by intelligence and proof is collected after the strike. That is a little more reassuring that maybe we are doing the right thing here.

Whatever makes America great again!

PacificBear said:

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Whatever makes America great again!

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A Hellfire up the pipe of a boat that may or may not contain drugs seems to be the preferred method at the present time, at least in DC and on this Board.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

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You comfortable that they are "drug dealers?" What if they aren't?

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I am very comfortable our intelligence network knows exactly who they were .

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Then I'm looking forward to this press conference.

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LOL

If it was Obama you would believe anything .

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If it were Obama, they'd be more forthcoming

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You mean "the most transparent president ever" who lied about everything, had more scandals then any president in my lifetime (except maybe Clinton), covered up everything, invented the Russia collusion hoax, & tried to steal the 2016 election??
He's been out of office for a decade and he's still not telling the truth about anything!

historian said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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Luv em.

Hope Trump eventually bombs the living **** out of all the major drug labs throughout central and south America.

Would save the lives of tens of thousnds of Americans.

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You comfortable that they are "drug dealers?" What if they aren't?

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I am very comfortable our intelligence network knows exactly who they were .

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Then I'm looking forward to this press conference.

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LOL

If it was Obama you would believe anything .

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If it were Obama, they'd be more forthcoming

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You mean "the most transparent president ever" who lied about everything, had more scandals then any president in my lifetime (except maybe Clinton), covered up everything, invented the Russia collusion hoax, & tried to steal the 2016 election??
He's been out of office for a decade and he's still not telling the truth about anything!

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So no one can layout a case to oppose it?

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No, but we better damn sure use all resources to determine who is on those boats. If we are going to treat them like terrorist than we better use the same Intel (human and tech) to make sure this is a targeted hunt. Not it was going fast and didn't heed our calls there are too many reasons that fall short of a Hellfire why they don't want to get stopped by the US Coast Guard. Living in FL, NO ONE wants to be boarded by the Coast Guard. Good way to ruin your day over a 6 pack...

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Agreed. It is a very thin line. I am actually not really sure what I think about it.

I guess I need someone to lay out why one might use these particular boats ... are they for fishing? Are they moving Nintendo games to MIA for BestBuy? What exports might Venezuela be sending to the United States on these boats? Can the country produce the bill a lading for the cargo? Seems like these are not difficult questions to answer.

I suspect the objection - as usual is - TRUMP! If Barry was doing it, the TDSers would be cheering him one as a visionary, and he'd probably get another Nobel Prize.

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Well, that is true. It really doesn't matter what he does, it is right. Doesn't really matter what Biden/Obama did, they were wrong. Obamacare is a great example, all we hear is how bad it is, yet they can't get it killed in Congress because too many Republicans want it.

As for the boat thing, I would have a easier time if you made the crime a death penalty, had a trial and if guilty hang em. At least they were proven guilty of a crime on the books with the death penalty. But, I am a process person... Most on here are gut feel, they read a few macro economic books and now get tariff's better than anyone. Or anyone of a thousand subjects.

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Honestly, not really sure what the Obamacare detour is supposed to posit ... but since you brought it up: has it significantly lowered health care costs as Barry and Pelosi promised?

What crime would they have committed? Whose laws would they have broken?

Speaking of tariffs, were the economic experts right on how they would impact the stock market and economy?

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shows that even with the House snd Senate the GOP can't get the votes to kill it. so woth all the rhetoric when it comes time to vote, they don't. it must he needed and the constituents must want it or it would be gone. But it can't serve a purpose, or even God forbid good policy, because it was founded by a Dem. it was an example of how polarized we have gotten. Dems are just as bad. i could use border as an example, Trump did a great job. but it has to be bad to the Dems since it was Trump.

we decide on if something is good or bad based on who was behind it, not on its need or function. really is a sorry state of affairs.

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Dems vote as a block to keep the gov closed to blackmail the American people to give 'free' healthcare to illegals


But its republicans fault


Of Course

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Actually, it is not free healthcare to illegals, illegals are not eligible for the Government programs and never have been.

What you are seeing is that hospitals in the US, by law, cannot turn away life saving care. If you show up, they have to treat you. They either eat it (many do as pro-bono) or they apply to the Government for reimbursement, which if they get it would be under Medicaid.

So, do you want hospitals to require form of payment and have to wait until you demonstrate that you can pay before treating you? If so, don't ***** if someone dies from an aneurism waiting for their insurance to clear.

There are ramifications either way. But it is not because they are making illegals eligible for US programs.

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However you attempt to spin it…….American taxpayers should not be forced to provide services to illegals.

To argue otherwise is ridiculous.

BearFan33 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Porteroso said:

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KaiBear said:

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This kind of tripe spins your little wheel.

The reality that tens of thousands of Americans die from the illicit use of this drug doesn't matter to you at all.

Probably best for all concerned you have moved to southeast Asia.

---

Is bombing boats we suspect have drugs on them really the best way to save lives? Kill a few to save many?

---

Yes. They are not American so it really doesn't matter. If course we could concentrate in helping the abusers. No one forces them to abuse drugs. They choose to use.

Killing the guys in boats is like shooting waitresses and bar owners because they served you drinks. I wonder if alcohol or fentynal kills more Americans each year? One kills much more than the other.

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Trying to tackle drug abuse and addiction has to be a comprehensive effort....help for the user as well as breaking the supply chain IMO. Education to prevent people from trying it in the first place can be helpful. Despite our best efforts we will still probably fail.

I still haven't decided if we are overstepping or not here. There is a "war on drugs" but I'm uncomfortable with the chest pounding and celebration tone going on in the administration. They are proud of what they are doing instead of being sad that it has to happen.

I'm seeing more evidence that these strikes are directed by intelligence and proof is collected after the strike. That is a little more reassuring that maybe we are doing the right thing here.

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Education won't prevent people from trying it, because it can't.

KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So no one can layout a case to oppose it?

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No, but we better damn sure use all resources to determine who is on those boats. If we are going to treat them like terrorist than we better use the same Intel (human and tech) to make sure this is a targeted hunt. Not it was going fast and didn't heed our calls there are too many reasons that fall short of a Hellfire why they don't want to get stopped by the US Coast Guard. Living in FL, NO ONE wants to be boarded by the Coast Guard. Good way to ruin your day over a 6 pack...

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Agreed. It is a very thin line. I am actually not really sure what I think about it.

I guess I need someone to lay out why one might use these particular boats ... are they for fishing? Are they moving Nintendo games to MIA for BestBuy? What exports might Venezuela be sending to the United States on these boats? Can the country produce the bill a lading for the cargo? Seems like these are not difficult questions to answer.

I suspect the objection - as usual is - TRUMP! If Barry was doing it, the TDSers would be cheering him one as a visionary, and he'd probably get another Nobel Prize.

---

Well, that is true. It really doesn't matter what he does, it is right. Doesn't really matter what Biden/Obama did, they were wrong. Obamacare is a great example, all we hear is how bad it is, yet they can't get it killed in Congress because too many Republicans want it.

As for the boat thing, I would have a easier time if you made the crime a death penalty, had a trial and if guilty hang em. At least they were proven guilty of a crime on the books with the death penalty. But, I am a process person... Most on here are gut feel, they read a few macro economic books and now get tariff's better than anyone. Or anyone of a thousand subjects.

---

Honestly, not really sure what the Obamacare detour is supposed to posit ... but since you brought it up: has it significantly lowered health care costs as Barry and Pelosi promised?

What crime would they have committed? Whose laws would they have broken?

Speaking of tariffs, were the economic experts right on how they would impact the stock market and economy?

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shows that even with the House snd Senate the GOP can't get the votes to kill it. so woth all the rhetoric when it comes time to vote, they don't. it must he needed and the constituents must want it or it would be gone. But it can't serve a purpose, or even God forbid good policy, because it was founded by a Dem. it was an example of how polarized we have gotten. Dems are just as bad. i could use border as an example, Trump did a great job. but it has to be bad to the Dems since it was Trump.

we decide on if something is good or bad based on who was behind it, not on its need or function. really is a sorry state of affairs.

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Dems vote as a block to keep the gov closed to blackmail the American people to give 'free' healthcare to illegals


But its republicans fault


Of Course

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Actually, it is not free healthcare to illegals, illegals are not eligible for the Government programs and never have been.

What you are seeing is that hospitals in the US, by law, cannot turn away life saving care. If you show up, they have to treat you. They either eat it (many do as pro-bono) or they apply to the Government for reimbursement, which if they get it would be under Medicaid.

So, do you want hospitals to require form of payment and have to wait until you demonstrate that you can pay before treating you? If so, don't ***** if someone dies from an aneurism waiting for their insurance to clear.

There are ramifications either way. But it is not because they are making illegals eligible for US programs.

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However you attempt to spin it…….American taxpayers should not be forced to provide services to illegals.

To argue otherwise is ridiculous.

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And if you don't know they are illegal and services are provided? That is a closer indication of what is happening, not going out of their way to get health care to illegals.

FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So no one can layout a case to oppose it?

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No, but we better damn sure use all resources to determine who is on those boats. If we are going to treat them like terrorist than we better use the same Intel (human and tech) to make sure this is a targeted hunt. Not it was going fast and didn't heed our calls there are too many reasons that fall short of a Hellfire why they don't want to get stopped by the US Coast Guard. Living in FL, NO ONE wants to be boarded by the Coast Guard. Good way to ruin your day over a 6 pack...

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Agreed. It is a very thin line. I am actually not really sure what I think about it.

I guess I need someone to lay out why one might use these particular boats ... are they for fishing? Are they moving Nintendo games to MIA for BestBuy? What exports might Venezuela be sending to the United States on these boats? Can the country produce the bill a lading for the cargo? Seems like these are not difficult questions to answer.

I suspect the objection - as usual is - TRUMP! If Barry was doing it, the TDSers would be cheering him one as a visionary, and he'd probably get another Nobel Prize.

---

Well, that is true. It really doesn't matter what he does, it is right. Doesn't really matter what Biden/Obama did, they were wrong. Obamacare is a great example, all we hear is how bad it is, yet they can't get it killed in Congress because too many Republicans want it.

As for the boat thing, I would have a easier time if you made the crime a death penalty, had a trial and if guilty hang em. At least they were proven guilty of a crime on the books with the death penalty. But, I am a process person... Most on here are gut feel, they read a few macro economic books and now get tariff's better than anyone. Or anyone of a thousand subjects.

---

Honestly, not really sure what the Obamacare detour is supposed to posit ... but since you brought it up: has it significantly lowered health care costs as Barry and Pelosi promised?

What crime would they have committed? Whose laws would they have broken?

Speaking of tariffs, were the economic experts right on how they would impact the stock market and economy?

---

shows that even with the House snd Senate the GOP can't get the votes to kill it. so woth all the rhetoric when it comes time to vote, they don't. it must he needed and the constituents must want it or it would be gone. But it can't serve a purpose, or even God forbid good policy, because it was founded by a Dem. it was an example of how polarized we have gotten. Dems are just as bad. i could use border as an example, Trump did a great job. but it has to be bad to the Dems since it was Trump.

we decide on if something is good or bad based on who was behind it, not on its need or function. really is a sorry state of affairs.

---

Dems vote as a block to keep the gov closed to blackmail the American people to give 'free' healthcare to illegals


But its republicans fault


Of Course

---

Actually, it is not free healthcare to illegals, illegals are not eligible for the Government programs and never have been.

What you are seeing is that hospitals in the US, by law, cannot turn away life saving care. If you show up, they have to treat you. They either eat it (many do as pro-bono) or they apply to the Government for reimbursement, which if they get it would be under Medicaid.

So, do you want hospitals to require form of payment and have to wait until you demonstrate that you can pay before treating you? If so, don't ***** if someone dies from an aneurism waiting for their insurance to clear.

There are ramifications either way. But it is not because they are making illegals eligible for US programs.

---

However you attempt to spin it…….American taxpayers should not be forced to provide services to illegals.

To argue otherwise is ridiculous.

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And if you don't know they are illegal and services are provided? That is a closer indication of what is happening, not going out of their way to get health care to illegals.

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Healthcare is nothing like housing, phones, spending money, driver's license and for some, voting rights.

Healthcare cannot be denied. That's why it's important to deport the illegals prior to them getting COVID (since they weren't required to be vaccinated).

boognish_bear said:

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Rand Paul: "When you kill someone, if you're not in a declared war, you really need to know someone's name at least. You have to accuse them of something. You have to present evidence. So all of these people have been blown up without any evidence of a crime." pic.twitter.com/Xy9uPWzHq1

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 19, 2025

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Rand is pulling absolute nonsense out of his arse here. We've been doing black ops against narcotics traffickers forever.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So no one can layout a case to oppose it?

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No, but we better damn sure use all resources to determine who is on those boats. If we are going to treat them like terrorist than we better use the same Intel (human and tech) to make sure this is a targeted hunt. Not it was going fast and didn't heed our calls there are too many reasons that fall short of a Hellfire why they don't want to get stopped by the US Coast Guard. Living in FL, NO ONE wants to be boarded by the Coast Guard. Good way to ruin your day over a 6 pack...

---

Agreed. It is a very thin line. I am actually not really sure what I think about it.

I guess I need someone to lay out why one might use these particular boats ... are they for fishing? Are they moving Nintendo games to MIA for BestBuy? What exports might Venezuela be sending to the United States on these boats? Can the country produce the bill a lading for the cargo? Seems like these are not difficult questions to answer.

I suspect the objection - as usual is - TRUMP! If Barry was doing it, the TDSers would be cheering him one as a visionary, and he'd probably get another Nobel Prize.

---

Well, that is true. It really doesn't matter what he does, it is right. Doesn't really matter what Biden/Obama did, they were wrong. Obamacare is a great example, all we hear is how bad it is, yet they can't get it killed in Congress because too many Republicans want it.

As for the boat thing, I would have a easier time if you made the crime a death penalty, had a trial and if guilty hang em. At least they were proven guilty of a crime on the books with the death penalty. But, I am a process person... Most on here are gut feel, they read a few macro economic books and now get tariff's better than anyone. Or anyone of a thousand subjects.

---

Honestly, not really sure what the Obamacare detour is supposed to posit ... but since you brought it up: has it significantly lowered health care costs as Barry and Pelosi promised?

What crime would they have committed? Whose laws would they have broken?

Speaking of tariffs, were the economic experts right on how they would impact the stock market and economy?

---

shows that even with the House snd Senate the GOP can't get the votes to kill it. so woth all the rhetoric when it comes time to vote, they don't. it must he needed and the constituents must want it or it would be gone. But it can't serve a purpose, or even God forbid good policy, because it was founded by a Dem. it was an example of how polarized we have gotten. Dems are just as bad. i could use border as an example, Trump did a great job. but it has to be bad to the Dems since it was Trump.

we decide on if something is good or bad based on who was behind it, not on its need or function. really is a sorry state of affairs.

---

Dems vote as a block to keep the gov closed to blackmail the American people to give 'free' healthcare to illegals


But its republicans fault


Of Course

---

Actually, it is not free healthcare to illegals, illegals are not eligible for the Government programs and never have been.

What you are seeing is that hospitals in the US, by law, cannot turn away life saving care. If you show up, they have to treat you. They either eat it (many do as pro-bono) or they apply to the Government for reimbursement, which if they get it would be under Medicaid.

So, do you want hospitals to require form of payment and have to wait until you demonstrate that you can pay before treating you? If so, don't ***** if someone dies from an aneurism waiting for their insurance to clear.

There are ramifications either way. But it is not because they are making illegals eligible for US programs.

---

However you attempt to spin it…….American taxpayers should not be forced to provide services to illegals.

To argue otherwise is ridiculous.

---

And if you don't know they are illegal and services are provided? That is a closer indication of what is happening, not going out of their way to get health care to illegals.

---

Healthcare is nothing like housing, phones, spending money, driver's license and for some, voting rights.

Healthcare cannot be denied. That's why it's important to deport the illegals prior to them getting COVID (since they weren't required to be vaccinated).

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again, per INA, a reasonable risk of becoming a "public charge" is a bar to entry to the USA for any alien, and actually becoming one is grounds for deportation of any alien, even those with Green Cards.

Puss N Boots Paul

ScottS said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Responses are vintage MAGA. Der Leader can never have too much power.

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Sam,
You are MAGA and you know it.

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Thanks, man. Once upon a time.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Breaking News: The Trump administration has decided to repatriate two survivors of a deadly U.S. strike on suspected drug runners in the Caribbean Sea rather than prosecute or hold them in military detention, people with knowledge of the matter said.https://t.co/YTpRT3lkxY

— The New York Times (@nytimes) October 18, 2025

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Because to do so brings into question whether this is a military act or a law enforcement act.

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Not to mention whether they're dangerous terrorists or there's even evidence that they committed crimes.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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I know this will be ignored as it requires specifics and reason, but what is the case to oppose it?

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Nothing except the fact that it's patently unlawful and Trump has offered no plausible reason for it.

FLBear5630 said:

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STxBear81 said:

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I'm fine with it especially since Venezuela
Amd Mexico have been warned about drugs and still do it

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As long as boats have drugs.

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Is that a capital offense?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So no one can layout a case to oppose it?

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No, but we better damn sure use all resources to determine who is on those boats. If we are going to treat them like terrorist than we better use the same Intel (human and tech) to make sure this is a targeted hunt. Not it was going fast and didn't heed our calls there are too many reasons that fall short of a Hellfire why they don't want to get stopped by the US Coast Guard. Living in FL, NO ONE wants to be boarded by the Coast Guard. Good way to ruin your day over a 6 pack...

---

Agreed. It is a very thin line. I am actually not really sure what I think about it.

I guess I need someone to lay out why one might use these particular boats ... are they for fishing? Are they moving Nintendo games to MIA for BestBuy? What exports might Venezuela be sending to the United States on these boats? Can the country produce the bill a lading for the cargo? Seems like these are not difficult questions to answer.

I suspect the objection - as usual is - TRUMP! If Barry was doing it, the TDSers would be cheering him one as a visionary, and he'd probably get another Nobel Prize.

---

Well, that is true. It really doesn't matter what he does, it is right. Doesn't really matter what Biden/Obama did, they were wrong. Obamacare is a great example, all we hear is how bad it is, yet they can't get it killed in Congress because too many Republicans want it.

As for the boat thing, I would have a easier time if you made the crime a death penalty, had a trial and if guilty hang em. At least they were proven guilty of a crime on the books with the death penalty. But, I am a process person... Most on here are gut feel, they read a few macro economic books and now get tariff's better than anyone. Or anyone of a thousand subjects.

---

Honestly, not really sure what the Obamacare detour is supposed to posit ... but since you brought it up: has it significantly lowered health care costs as Barry and Pelosi promised?

What crime would they have committed? Whose laws would they have broken?

Speaking of tariffs, were the economic experts right on how they would impact the stock market and economy?

---

shows that even with the House snd Senate the GOP can't get the votes to kill it. so woth all the rhetoric when it comes time to vote, they don't. it must he needed and the constituents must want it or it would be gone. But it can't serve a purpose, or even God forbid good policy, because it was founded by a Dem. it was an example of how polarized we have gotten. Dems are just as bad. i could use border as an example, Trump did a great job. but it has to be bad to the Dems since it was Trump.

we decide on if something is good or bad based on who was behind it, not on its need or function. really is a sorry state of affairs.

---

Dems vote as a block to keep the gov closed to blackmail the American people to give 'free' healthcare to illegals


But its republicans fault


Of Course

---

Actually, it is not free healthcare to illegals, illegals are not eligible for the Government programs and never have been.

What you are seeing is that hospitals in the US, by law, cannot turn away life saving care. If you show up, they have to treat you. They either eat it (many do as pro-bono) or they apply to the Government for reimbursement, which if they get it would be under Medicaid.

So, do you want hospitals to require form of payment and have to wait until you demonstrate that you can pay before treating you? If so, don't ***** if someone dies from an aneurism waiting for their insurance to clear.

There are ramifications either way. But it is not because they are making illegals eligible for US programs.

---

However you attempt to spin it…….American taxpayers should not be forced to provide services to illegals.

To argue otherwise is ridiculous.

---

And if you don't know they are illegal and services are provided? That is a closer indication of what is happening, not going out of their way to get health care to illegals.

---

Healthcare is nothing like housing, phones, spending money, driver's license and for some, voting rights.

Healthcare cannot be denied. That's why it's important to deport the illegals prior to them getting COVID (since they weren't required to be vaccinated).

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i dont disagree.

Sam Lowry said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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STxBear81 said:

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I'm fine with it especially since Venezuela
Amd Mexico have been warned about drugs and still do it

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As long as boats have drugs.

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Is that a capital offense?

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no, but its something. i would rather argue capital vs non-capital than "we think they were criminals". right now, we dont even have that

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I'm fine with it especially since Venezuela
Amd Mexico have been warned about drugs and still do it

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As long as boats have drugs.

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Is that a capital offense?

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no, but its something. i would rather argue capital vs non-capital than "we think they were criminals". right now, we dont even have that

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'We' are FINALLY going after the drug cartels in a way that might actually work.

Because our courts can be bought .

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I'm fine with it especially since Venezuela
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As long as boats have drugs.

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Is that a capital offense?

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no, but its something. i would rather argue capital vs non-capital than "we think they were criminals". right now, we dont even have that

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Fair point.

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I'm fine with it especially since Venezuela
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As long as boats have drugs.

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Is that a capital offense?

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no, but its something. i would rather argue capital vs non-capital than "we think they were criminals". right now, we dont even have that

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'We' are FINALLY going after the drug cartels in a way that might actually work.

Because our courts can be bought .

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fair point

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I'm fine with it especially since Venezuela
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As long as boats have drugs.

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Is that a capital offense?

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no, but its something. i would rather argue capital vs non-capital than "we think they were criminals". right now, we dont even have that

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'We' are FINALLY going after the drug cartels in a way that might actually work.

Because our courts can be bought .

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fair point

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We're going after a country that has little if anything to do with America's drug problem so that we can steal their resources, enrich Trump and his cronies, and settle one of Rubio's multitude of vendettas. Cartels are just the latest advertising theme.

"Disappointed with all those other presidents' wars? Try Venezuela! You'll save American lives (and the chicks will love it)!"

Up next season: mullahs with nukes.

Cartel de los Soles

El Cartel de los Soles es una presunta organizacin ilcita, criminal y terrorista internacinal, encabezada por miembros de alto rango de la Fuerza Armada Nacional Bolivariana desde la dcada de los años 1990, segn varios medios de comunicacin,[1]cuyo objetivo es el trfico principalmente de cocana,[2] contrabando de combustible,[3][4] control de la actividad minera ilegal en varios estados de Venezuela, con participacin directa en la extraccin y contrabando de oro, coltn, piedras preciosas y otros minerales.[5]

Segn el periodista Jean-Claude Melndez, oriundo de Maracaibo, Zulia, y residenciado en Coro (Estado Falcn), el Crtel de los Soles es la estructura criminal ms grande del mundo y tiene como jefes a Nicols Maduro y Diosdado Cabello.[6] Desde marzo de 2020, el departamento de Justicia de Estados Unidos emiti un comunicado formal en donde sita como lder del Crtel de los Soles a Nicols Maduro y Diosdado Cabello, ofreciendo una recompensa de hasta 50 millones de dlares que ha sido superada en toda la historia de los ms buscados en el narcotrfico, por informacin que permita su captura y judicializacin.[7][8]

El peridico El Nacional report en 2021 que el informe de la Junta Internacional de Fiscalizacion de Estupefacientes un rgano de las Naciones Unidasconcluy que en Venezuela surgi una nueva red informal de narcotrfico que logr infiltrarse en los cuerpos de seguridad para facilitar el trnsito de cargamentos de cocana hacia Europa y los Estados Unidos.[9]Sin embargo, ests acusaciones no fueron sustanciadas por este reporte.[10]

El gobierno venezolano ha negado las acusaciones expuestas sobre narcotrfico. El diputado del partido de gobierno, Pedro Carreño, ha desestimado la existencia de dicha organizacin, declarando que se habla del Cartel de los Soles para satanizar a nuestra Fuerza Armada Nacional Bolivariana.[11]

Los gobiernos de Argentina, Ecuador, Estados Unidos, Paraguay, Per y Repblica Dominicana, adems del Parlamento Europeo, han designado al Crtel de los Soles como una organizacin terrorista. Especficamente, el presidente estadounidense Donald Trump orden a las Fuerzas Armadas de su pas a actuar contra los carteles de la droga de Amrica Latina con dicha designacin.[12]

ADMIRAL REMOVED AFTER SABOTAGING TRUMP’S VENEZUELA STRIKES:

SECWAR HEGSETH RELEASES EXPLOSIVE PENTAGON FILES LINKING DEEP STATE TO CARTELS AND CIA TRAFFICKING NETWORKS

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— TRUTH NOW ⭐️⭐️⭐️🗽 🎺 (@sxdoc) October 20, 2025

Still waiting for the explanation of what these boats are used for if not for drugs ... are they delivering computers manufactured in Venezuela to BestBuy?

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I'm fine with it especially since Venezuela
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As long as boats have drugs.

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Is that a capital offense?

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no, but its something. i would rather argue capital vs non-capital than "we think they were criminals". right now, we dont even have that

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'We' are FINALLY going after the drug cartels in a way that might actually work.

Because our courts can be bought .

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fair point

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We're going after a country that has little if anything to do with America's drug problem so that we can steal their resources, enrich Trump and his cronies, and settle one of Rubio's multitude of vendettas. Cartels are just the latest advertising theme.

"Disappointed with all those other presidents' wars? Try Venezuela! You'll save American lives (and the chicks will love it)!"

Up next season: mullahs with nukes.

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So no one can layout a case to oppose it?

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No, but we better damn sure use all resources to determine who is on those boats. If we are going to treat them like terrorist than we better use the same Intel (human and tech) to make sure this is a targeted hunt. Not it was going fast and didn't heed our calls there are too many reasons that fall short of a Hellfire why they don't want to get stopped by the US Coast Guard. Living in FL, NO ONE wants to be boarded by the Coast Guard. Good way to ruin your day over a 6 pack...

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Agreed. It is a very thin line. I am actually not really sure what I think about it.

I guess I need someone to lay out why one might use these particular boats ... are they for fishing? Are they moving Nintendo games to MIA for BestBuy? What exports might Venezuela be sending to the United States on these boats? Can the country produce the bill a lading for the cargo? Seems like these are not difficult questions to answer.

I suspect the objection - as usual is - TRUMP! If Barry was doing it, the TDSers would be cheering him one as a visionary, and he'd probably get another Nobel Prize.

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Well, that is true. It really doesn't matter what he does, it is right. Doesn't really matter what Biden/Obama did, they were wrong. Obamacare is a great example, all we hear is how bad it is, yet they can't get it killed in Congress because too many Republicans want it.

As for the boat thing, I would have a easier time if you made the crime a death penalty, had a trial and if guilty hang em. At least they were proven guilty of a crime on the books with the death penalty. But, I am a process person... Most on here are gut feel, they read a few macro economic books and now get tariff's better than anyone. Or anyone of a thousand subjects.

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Honestly, not really sure what the Obamacare detour is supposed to posit ... but since you brought it up: has it significantly lowered health care costs as Barry and Pelosi promised?

What crime would they have committed? Whose laws would they have broken?

Speaking of tariffs, were the economic experts right on how they would impact the stock market and economy?

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shows that even with the House snd Senate the GOP can't get the votes to kill it. so woth all the rhetoric when it comes time to vote, they don't. it must he needed and the constituents must want it or it would be gone. But it can't serve a purpose, or even God forbid good policy, because it was founded by a Dem. it was an example of how polarized we have gotten. Dems are just as bad. i could use border as an example, Trump did a great job. but it has to be bad to the Dems since it was Trump.

we decide on if something is good or bad based on who was behind it, not on its need or function. really is a sorry state of affairs.

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Dems vote as a block to keep the gov closed to blackmail the American people to give 'free' healthcare to illegals


But its republicans fault


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Actually, it is not free healthcare to illegals, illegals are not eligible for the Government programs and never have been.

What you are seeing is that hospitals in the US, by law, cannot turn away life saving care. If you show up, they have to treat you. They either eat it (many do as pro-bono) or they apply to the Government for reimbursement, which if they get it would be under Medicaid.

So, do you want hospitals to require form of payment and have to wait until you demonstrate that you can pay before treating you? If so, don't ***** if someone dies from an aneurism waiting for their insurance to clear.

There are ramifications either way. But it is not because they are making illegals eligible for US programs.

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However you attempt to spin it…….American taxpayers should not be forced to provide services to illegals.

To argue otherwise is ridiculous.

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And if you don't know they are illegal and services are provided? That is a closer indication of what is happening, not going out of their way to get health care to illegals.

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Healthcare is nothing like housing, phones, spending money, driver's license and for some, voting rights.

Healthcare cannot be denied. That's why it's important to deport the illegals prior to them getting COVID (since they weren't required to be vaccinated).

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Maybe healthcare cannot be denied but there is no reason the American taxpayer should pay for illegals to get it. The illegal sounds have no right to be in the US or any of the rights guaranteed to US citizens.

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Cry more, commie

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I'm fine with it especially since Venezuela
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As long as boats have drugs.

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Is that a capital offense?

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You have to decide first if it's a law enforcement act or an act of war.

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I'm fine with it especially since Venezuela
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As long as boats have drugs.

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Is that a capital offense?

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You have to decide first if it's a law enforcement act or an act of war.

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not possible to commit an act of war against a criminal or terrorist organization. Wars are between states.

Everything you're seeing in the southern Caribbean is aimed at destabilizing cartels to destabilize the Venezuelan state: Venezuela is a de-facto narco-terror state by virtue of having most of its (most important) government functions controlled by individuals who are also heads of drug cartels. No, Maduro and his cabinet are a drug cartel making drug cartel decisions, but rather that cartel interests are in most cases indistinguishable from state interests. Maduro and the cabinet understand that policy decisions ideally promote and all cases cannot harm cartel interests, as those interests are equally if not more important to key decisionmakers. That structure is both a problem and an opportunity for US policy.

It's a problem in the sense that we cannot expect ANY cooperation from the Venezuelan govt on counter-narcotics, counter-terrorism, or counter-human trafficking issues. That ups the ante - military action against the Venezuelan state impacts global energy, global finance, and broader geopolitical interests of US friends and foes alike (mostly negatively) in ways that result in us having to veto UNSC resolutions. So it's essentially all or nothing with respect to war and all its ramifications. Sure, we'd roll over them quickly if we invaded, but then we'd own the aftermath. And that's before we got to running afoul of sentiments on the right against policies of regime change, nation building, etc......not to mention the fiscal cost amid a burgeoning budget crisis.

It is an opportunity in that the state/cartel hybrid structure makes the stability of the state itself vulnerable to destabilization of cartels, which is easy to force if you command the US Navy and can de facto blockade the relatively shorter Venezuelan coastline. Shutting down significant percentages of drug flows, shuts down significant percentages of cartel cash flows, which at some point forces cartels to fight each other inside the country for market share. Businesses have to make payroll..... and that's where the destabilization of the Venezuelan regime starts - street warfare escalating to cartel leaders pointing pistols at one another in cabinet meetings.

The dynamic of choking off cash flows in attempt to force cartels to fight turf wars is a very old one. Tx has been doing for decades along the southern border. And, of course, none of that changes the time proven methods of greater powers pressuring lesser powers seeking to provoke an overreaction. Venezuelan F-16 jets have already buzzed US warships. We let it pass. If that lures them into overconfidence, they might escalate and give us justification for lighting them up.

I'd be willing to send an Ambassador to liaise with a Venezuelan narco-state so long as the narcotics were headed somewhere else. Perhaps a deal like that could be cut with a new cartel head rising to replace Maduro.

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This kind of tripe spins your little wheel.

The reality that tens of thousands of Americans die from the illicit use of this drug doesn't matter to you at all.

Probably best for all concerned you have moved to southeast Asia.

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Is bombing boats we suspect have drugs on them really the best way to save lives? Kill a few to save many?

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Did you oppose or support the U.S. entry into World War II?

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Was the Nazi takeover of the world comparable to some druggies in ski boats?

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You posted: "Kill a few to save many?"

Do you believe that or not? Is killing a few worth saving many? Yes or no?

You posted it - answer you own question or be smarter.

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Morally, the question is easy. We have a system setup to answer the moral question. If these ski boats near Venezuela are a real threat, we can declare war on them. Congress can do that. And then endless bombing ski boats.

If they approach our coast with drugs, we can interdict the boats, and yes sink them if they are unresponsive.

But to go to Venezuela and start bombing, is difficult to make a moral argument for.

We need to secure our border, not go around the world killing people that might one day try to sneak some pills into our country. Tere is n moral or legal justification. Especially when we will make mistakes and kill innocents.