BUDOS said:

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Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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BUDOS said:

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What do you think the courts and public opinion will rule on the following ?

Lawmakers Demand Answers on ICE's Use of Israeli Spyware (primary source comes from an article in Wired)

Lawmakers want answers from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem on Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) use of spyware that can access mobile phones without knowledge or consent. Graphite can gain unauthorized access to mobile phone encrypted applications, location data, messages, and photographs.

Paragon the Israeli company who owns the spy software does claim it has safeguards in place to protect against civil liberty and privacy violations. It comes with the ability for "zero-click" access to messaging apps and has been used to at least spy on journalists and human rights activists. One of the fears is that it allows ICE officers to use this spyware in a manner that could threaten Americans' freedom of speech and movement.

"Allowing ICE to utilize spyware raises serious questions about whether ICE will respect Fourth Amendment protections against warrantless search and seizure for people residing in the U.S.," stated the letter. Neither ICE nor Homeland Security have given any internal legal justifications for deploying such technology in immigration enforcement, nor a list of surveillance targets and ICE's domestic spying strategy.

The letter also requested that the Department of Homeland Security furnish detailed information as to their evaluation of how the use of Graphite may violate the current executive order that prohibits the operational use of commercial spyware that may pose counterintelligence or security risks to the federal government.

It should also be noted that according to recent Supreme Court rulings, law enforcement must require a warrant before accessing cell phone content or location data.

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I would hope they would look skeptically at it and demand warrants before anyone's communications are collected.

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They won't. They will spy and ask for forgiveness. The citizens will make arguments for it as long as they believe it's being used to spy on the citizens we disagree with.

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Ah, projection. In Trumps case, remember he has yet to break the law. See all the cases brought up before the Supreme Court

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I'm hoping we can keep Trump out of this thread and just deal with the potential ramifications of this, including within the context of current events over the last few months, especially ICE and Homeland Security.

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Oldbear83 said:

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"Lawmakers" huh, but no names?

I can smell it from here, you need to flush,maybe turn on some fans dude.

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KaiBear said:

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Do not recall even 2% of the concern expressed for the 100,000 Americans who died from drug overdoses each year.........

as I currently witness for the SOB's who get killed attempting to bring their poisons to our shores.

Some of you guys are seriously ****ed up.

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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Do not recall even 2% of the concern expressed for the 100,000 Americans who died from drug overdoses each year.........

as I currently witness for the SOB's who get killed attempting to bring their poisons to our shores.

Some of you guys are seriously ****ed up.

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This is a lot like securing the Southern border. The same group of dissenters here *****ed and moaned about the poor, illegal aliens not be allowed in the US. Here that same group doesnt really care about the addicts in the US. They want to kill the US citizens, rather than cut the cartels money supply off.

It's a bizarre take.

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BREAKING: A full-blown war is currently ongoing between Brazilian authorities and drug cartels in Rio de Janeiro.

El Salvador created the blueprint, and it looks like Brazil is following it.

Authorities surprised cartel members early in the morning with 2,500 security… pic.twitter.com/rc7F2UzCsh

— George (@BehizyTweets) October 28, 2025

Oldbear83 said:

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Still hiding the party, I see

Doesn't matter, the idea is clearly to harass LEO and protect crooks, Democrats all the way.

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boognish_bear said:

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The federal agent had a daring pitch for Nicolás Maduro’s chief pilot: All he had to do was surreptitiously divert the Venezuelan president’s plane to a place where U.S. authorities could nab the strongman. pic.twitter.com/h8H1KJIXuS

— The Associated Press (@AP) October 28, 2025

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Assassin said:

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And the dominos are falling... The Trump Effect

BREAKING: A full-blown war is currently ongoing between Brazilian authorities and drug cartels in Rio de Janeiro.

El Salvador created the blueprint, and it looks like Brazil is following it.

Authorities surprised cartel members early in the morning with 2,500 security… pic.twitter.com/rc7F2UzCsh

— George (@BehizyTweets) October 28, 2025

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Assassin said:

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BUDOS said:

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Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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BUDOS said:

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What do you think the courts and public opinion will rule on the following ?

Lawmakers Demand Answers on ICE's Use of Israeli Spyware (primary source comes from an article in Wired)

Lawmakers want answers from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem on Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) use of spyware that can access mobile phones without knowledge or consent. Graphite can gain unauthorized access to mobile phone encrypted applications, location data, messages, and photographs.

Paragon the Israeli company who owns the spy software does claim it has safeguards in place to protect against civil liberty and privacy violations. It comes with the ability for "zero-click" access to messaging apps and has been used to at least spy on journalists and human rights activists. One of the fears is that it allows ICE officers to use this spyware in a manner that could threaten Americans' freedom of speech and movement.

"Allowing ICE to utilize spyware raises serious questions about whether ICE will respect Fourth Amendment protections against warrantless search and seizure for people residing in the U.S.," stated the letter. Neither ICE nor Homeland Security have given any internal legal justifications for deploying such technology in immigration enforcement, nor a list of surveillance targets and ICE's domestic spying strategy.

The letter also requested that the Department of Homeland Security furnish detailed information as to their evaluation of how the use of Graphite may violate the current executive order that prohibits the operational use of commercial spyware that may pose counterintelligence or security risks to the federal government.

It should also be noted that according to recent Supreme Court rulings, law enforcement must require a warrant before accessing cell phone content or location data.

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I would hope they would look skeptically at it and demand warrants before anyone's communications are collected.

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They won't. They will spy and ask for forgiveness. The citizens will make arguments for it as long as they believe it's being used to spy on the citizens we disagree with.

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Ah, projection. In Trumps case, remember he has yet to break the law. See all the cases brought up before the Supreme Court

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I'm hoping we can keep Trump out of this thread and just deal with the potential ramifications of this, including within the context of current events over the last few months, especially ICE and Homeland Security.

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Kinda strange request as the subject of the thread is Trumps drug strikes

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Still hiding the party, I see

Doesn't matter, the idea is clearly to harass LEO and protect crooks, Democrats all the way.

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you complained about unnamed sources because you were too lazy to look it up (being kind). So I looked it up. You welcome. It took less than a minute but maybe it would have taken you longer.

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BUDOS said:

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Assassin said:

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BUDOS said:

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Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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BUDOS said:

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What do you think the courts and public opinion will rule on the following ?

Lawmakers Demand Answers on ICE's Use of Israeli Spyware (primary source comes from an article in Wired)

Lawmakers want answers from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem on Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) use of spyware that can access mobile phones without knowledge or consent. Graphite can gain unauthorized access to mobile phone encrypted applications, location data, messages, and photographs.

Paragon the Israeli company who owns the spy software does claim it has safeguards in place to protect against civil liberty and privacy violations. It comes with the ability for "zero-click" access to messaging apps and has been used to at least spy on journalists and human rights activists. One of the fears is that it allows ICE officers to use this spyware in a manner that could threaten Americans' freedom of speech and movement.

"Allowing ICE to utilize spyware raises serious questions about whether ICE will respect Fourth Amendment protections against warrantless search and seizure for people residing in the U.S.," stated the letter. Neither ICE nor Homeland Security have given any internal legal justifications for deploying such technology in immigration enforcement, nor a list of surveillance targets and ICE's domestic spying strategy.

The letter also requested that the Department of Homeland Security furnish detailed information as to their evaluation of how the use of Graphite may violate the current executive order that prohibits the operational use of commercial spyware that may pose counterintelligence or security risks to the federal government.

It should also be noted that according to recent Supreme Court rulings, law enforcement must require a warrant before accessing cell phone content or location data.

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I would hope they would look skeptically at it and demand warrants before anyone's communications are collected.

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They won't. They will spy and ask for forgiveness. The citizens will make arguments for it as long as they believe it's being used to spy on the citizens we disagree with.

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Ah, projection. In Trumps case, remember he has yet to break the law. See all the cases brought up before the Supreme Court

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I'm hoping we can keep Trump out of this thread and just deal with the potential ramifications of this, including within the context of current events over the last few months, especially ICE and Homeland Security.

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Kinda strange request as the subject of the thread is Trumps drug strikes

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Agreed. I stand corrected.

However, your statement about Trump "has yet to break the law" is questionable.
He is a convicted felon and his conviction was upheld on appeal.
His appeal to the Supreme Court is currently being heard.

(The charges related to improperly keeping and storing classified materials at Trump's Mara Lago residence, and for multiple offenses connected with his attempt to subvert the election results of the 2020 election were dropped only because he was elected president, in accordance with DOJ policy.)

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BUDOS said:

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Assassin said:

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BUDOS said:

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Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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BUDOS said:

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What do you think the courts and public opinion will rule on the following ?

Lawmakers Demand Answers on ICE's Use of Israeli Spyware (primary source comes from an article in Wired)

Lawmakers want answers from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem on Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) use of spyware that can access mobile phones without knowledge or consent. Graphite can gain unauthorized access to mobile phone encrypted applications, location data, messages, and photographs.

Paragon the Israeli company who owns the spy software does claim it has safeguards in place to protect against civil liberty and privacy violations. It comes with the ability for "zero-click" access to messaging apps and has been used to at least spy on journalists and human rights activists. One of the fears is that it allows ICE officers to use this spyware in a manner that could threaten Americans' freedom of speech and movement.

"Allowing ICE to utilize spyware raises serious questions about whether ICE will respect Fourth Amendment protections against warrantless search and seizure for people residing in the U.S.," stated the letter. Neither ICE nor Homeland Security have given any internal legal justifications for deploying such technology in immigration enforcement, nor a list of surveillance targets and ICE's domestic spying strategy.

The letter also requested that the Department of Homeland Security furnish detailed information as to their evaluation of how the use of Graphite may violate the current executive order that prohibits the operational use of commercial spyware that may pose counterintelligence or security risks to the federal government.

It should also be noted that according to recent Supreme Court rulings, law enforcement must require a warrant before accessing cell phone content or location data.

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I would hope they would look skeptically at it and demand warrants before anyone's communications are collected.

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They won't. They will spy and ask for forgiveness. The citizens will make arguments for it as long as they believe it's being used to spy on the citizens we disagree with.

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Ah, projection. In Trumps case, remember he has yet to break the law. See all the cases brought up before the Supreme Court

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I'm hoping we can keep Trump out of this thread and just deal with the potential ramifications of this, including within the context of current events over the last few months, especially ICE and Homeland Security.

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Kinda strange request as the subject of the thread is Trumps drug strikes

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Agreed. I stand corrected.

However, your statement about Trump "has yet to break the law" is questionable.
He is a convicted felon and his conviction was upheld on appeal.
His appeal to the Supreme Court is currently being heard.

(The charges related to improperly keeping and storing classified materials at Trump's Mara Lago residence, and for multiple offenses connected with his attempt to subvert the election results of the 2020 election were dropped only because he was elected president, in accordance with DOJ policy.)

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BUDOS said:

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Assassin said:

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BUDOS said:

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Assassin said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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whiterock said:

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BUDOS said:

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What do you think the courts and public opinion will rule on the following ?

Lawmakers Demand Answers on ICE's Use of Israeli Spyware (primary source comes from an article in Wired)

Lawmakers want answers from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem on Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) use of spyware that can access mobile phones without knowledge or consent. Graphite can gain unauthorized access to mobile phone encrypted applications, location data, messages, and photographs.

Paragon the Israeli company who owns the spy software does claim it has safeguards in place to protect against civil liberty and privacy violations. It comes with the ability for "zero-click" access to messaging apps and has been used to at least spy on journalists and human rights activists. One of the fears is that it allows ICE officers to use this spyware in a manner that could threaten Americans' freedom of speech and movement.

"Allowing ICE to utilize spyware raises serious questions about whether ICE will respect Fourth Amendment protections against warrantless search and seizure for people residing in the U.S.," stated the letter. Neither ICE nor Homeland Security have given any internal legal justifications for deploying such technology in immigration enforcement, nor a list of surveillance targets and ICE's domestic spying strategy.

The letter also requested that the Department of Homeland Security furnish detailed information as to their evaluation of how the use of Graphite may violate the current executive order that prohibits the operational use of commercial spyware that may pose counterintelligence or security risks to the federal government.

It should also be noted that according to recent Supreme Court rulings, law enforcement must require a warrant before accessing cell phone content or location data.

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I would hope they would look skeptically at it and demand warrants before anyone's communications are collected.

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They won't. They will spy and ask for forgiveness. The citizens will make arguments for it as long as they believe it's being used to spy on the citizens we disagree with.

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Ah, projection. In Trumps case, remember he has yet to break the law. See all the cases brought up before the Supreme Court

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I'm hoping we can keep Trump out of this thread and just deal with the potential ramifications of this, including within the context of current events over the last few months, especially ICE and Homeland Security.

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Kinda strange request as the subject of the thread is Trumps drug strikes

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Agreed. I stand corrected.

However, your statement about Trump "has yet to break the law" is questionable.
He is a convicted felon and his conviction was upheld on appeal.
His appeal to the Supreme Court is currently being heard.

(The charges related to improperly keeping and storing classified materials at Trump's Mara Lago residence, and for multiple offenses connected with his attempt to subvert the election results of the 2020 election were dropped only because he was elected president, in accordance with DOJ policy.)

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BUDOS said:

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Yes, as to whether or not I am sticking with my statements, based on the current evidence. I say current because his DOJ has not yet rewritten that case to better fit their "boss" as they are regarding the January 6th event.

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BUDOS said:

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I believe that the felon would have been found guilty again.

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GrowlTowel said:

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You people are combining three cases.

Bragg is the DA that elevated, for the first time in NY jurisprudence, misdemeanor campaign finance violations to felonies. The appeal of this verdict just started.

Fat Latisha is the AG of NY that brought civil charges based upon Trump's banks making their ROI on loans secured by Trump's real estate holdings. On appeal, this judgment has been largely neutered.

January 6th investigations were federal and controlled by the DOJ/special prosecutor. These charges have been dismissed both because Trump is the current president and the Supreme Court's holding regarding immunity.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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No

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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No

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You rooting Blue Jays?

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-strikes-another-boat-accused-of-carrying-drugs-near-venezuela-killing-6-trump-says

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No

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You rooting Blue Jays?

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HaHa. Absolutely. I hope I didn't jinx them.

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BREAKING:

USA just closed off the airspace near Puerto Rico with a NOTAM announcing hot pit refueling at the local airport.

Hot pit refuelling means aircraft are refuelled with their engines still running so they can take off quickly again. Long night ahead for Maduro… pic.twitter.com/g9ObTx98S0

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 31, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING:

USA just closed off the airspace near Puerto Rico with a NOTAM announcing hot pit refueling at the local airport.

Hot pit refuelling means aircraft are refuelled with their engines still running so they can take off quickly again. Long night ahead for Maduro… pic.twitter.com/g9ObTx98S0

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 31, 2025

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The UN human rights chief says US military strikes against vessels allegedly carrying illegal drugs from South America are “unacceptable” and must stop. The condemnation marks the first of its kind from a United Nations organization. https://t.co/FcJ6BWPivN

— The Associated Press (@AP) October 31, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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The UN human rights chief says US military strikes against vessels allegedly carrying illegal drugs from South America are “unacceptable” and must stop. The condemnation marks the first of its kind from a United Nations organization. https://t.co/FcJ6BWPivN

— The Associated Press (@AP) October 31, 2025

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Maduro has requested urgent military aid from Russia, missiles, radar upgrades, and aircraft repairs, as U.S. forces step up operations near Venezuela’s coast, The Washington Post reports.

Meanwhile, Trump said "No" aboard Air Force One in response to a question about plans to… pic.twitter.com/dqNQkf7Fy4

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 31, 2025