Okay.whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:
An interesting and very well written article on the legality.
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/11/venezeula-strikes-legal-southcom-when-the-law-bends-what-the-narcotics-boat-debate-misses/
Might makes right in international law. Only the weak and the foolish argue international law as terribly material for anything other than a justification for going to war.
That's another way of saying such justifications are self-serving and false. No news there, though the honesty is welcome. The problem is that American might is diminishing, and the hypocrisy undermines our soft power just when we need it the most.
LOL. Saying what we're doing to these drug cartel boats is illegal because of some assumed clause in the codebook of international law is a classic "tell me you don't know what your talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about" moment.
You know better of course, but I do have to allow that most people assume a strawman interpretation of International Law. It is not a code of laws. It is a set of generally agreed upon customs that guide state actions in international waters. to either enhance defense of one's own actions or bring pressure to bear against the actions of other states. States always have and always will pursue policies they believe are in their best interests, to the extent their power allows. International law is merely a reference point to shield or enhance cases for those states to either go to war, or avoid a war.
No state is going to cite "international law" to declare war on the USA over current operations off the coast of Venezuela. Not even Venezuela. Not because they either do or don't have some notional case under international law. They're not gonna do it because A) they know they'd get smoked, and B) they know they'd do the same thing if they could and they don't want to set precedent which might be used against them.
"No state is going to cite "international law" to declare war on the USA over current operations off the coast of Venezuela. Not even Venezuela. Not because they either do or don't have some notional case under international law. They're not gonna do it because A) they know they'd get smoked, and B) they know they'd do the same thing if they could and they don't want to set precedent which might be used against them."
What you just said there is the problem. We are now "Might makes Right." You know how a self-proclaimed "Alpha Male" thug dies? Shot by someone much weaker, because they don't have a choice. What you are describing is an "Alpha Male thug" mentality. We can do what we want because if you disagree we will smoke you. Under your philosophy, the US has gone from Sheepdog to Wolf...
This is how a real bad war starts in the nuclear age.
He's going to tell you it's always been that way. We have observed certain boundaries in the past, however, especially when dealing with more powerful countries like Russia and China.
LOL says the guy who relentlessly makes the "might makes right" argument to justify Russia's move into Ukraine.
We observe notional "boundaries" with peer and near-peer adversaries like Russia and China because......might makes right in geopolitics. Their "might" pushes the cost-benefit equation into places that weaker powers cannot.
That's your characterization of Ukraine, not mine. While it is true in a sense that might makes right, there's more to power than bullying and bragging. Putin actually understands this better than we do.
you are absolutely correct that Putin understands geopolitics better than you do.
Are you comfortable with the drug strikes?
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whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:
An interesting and very well written article on the legality.
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/11/venezeula-strikes-legal-southcom-when-the-law-bends-what-the-narcotics-boat-debate-misses/
Might makes right in international law. Only the weak and the foolish argue international law as terribly material for anything other than a justification for going to war.
That's another way of saying such justifications are self-serving and false. No news there, though the honesty is welcome. The problem is that American might is diminishing, and the hypocrisy undermines our soft power just when we need it the most.
LOL. Saying what we're doing to these drug cartel boats is illegal because of some assumed clause in the codebook of international law is a classic "tell me you don't know what your talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about" moment.
You know better of course, but I do have to allow that most people assume a strawman interpretation of International Law. It is not a code of laws. It is a set of generally agreed upon customs that guide state actions in international waters. to either enhance defense of one's own actions or bring pressure to bear against the actions of other states. States always have and always will pursue policies they believe are in their best interests, to the extent their power allows. International law is merely a reference point to shield or enhance cases for those states to either go to war, or avoid a war.
No state is going to cite "international law" to declare war on the USA over current operations off the coast of Venezuela. Not even Venezuela. Not because they either do or don't have some notional case under international law. They're not gonna do it because A) they know they'd get smoked, and B) they know they'd do the same thing if they could and they don't want to set precedent which might be used against them.
"No state is going to cite "international law" to declare war on the USA over current operations off the coast of Venezuela. Not even Venezuela. Not because they either do or don't have some notional case under international law. They're not gonna do it because A) they know they'd get smoked, and B) they know they'd do the same thing if they could and they don't want to set precedent which might be used against them."
What you just said there is the problem. We are now "Might makes Right." You know how a self-proclaimed "Alpha Male" thug dies? Shot by someone much weaker, because they don't have a choice. What you are describing is an "Alpha Male thug" mentality. We can do what we want because if you disagree we will smoke you. Under your philosophy, the US has gone from Sheepdog to Wolf...
This is how a real bad war starts in the nuclear age.
In global geopolitics, might does make right. Always has. Always will. It's the way the world actually works.
The only limiting factor is one or more other powers using their might to create deterrence.
It's hard to find a great power in history which has been more relentlessly benevolent than the USA.
"It's hard to find a great power in history which has been more relentlessly benevolent than the USA."
Up to the last 20 years or so, I agree. We have written several big checks against that account in Iraq, Afghanistan and now South America. These have not been the Reagan/Bush actions of going accomplishing and leaving. They have been extended regime change and not even supporting a group asking for help like we had in Korea and Viet Nam.
Add in the rhetoric and the "total male Pete" attitude and now you have a recipe for disaster.
There is a HUGE difference between Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick where everyone knows it, but we refrain from using. To what we have now and, frankly, your type attitudes.
You can't keep going around saying how benevolent you are and no one else agreeing. The current view of the US is not benevolent. Hell, even the UK and Aussie are not supporting us. When that happens, that is a canary in the mine...
Whiterock,
By the way on a civil note...
Two great books.
"A Republic, if you can keep it" by Gorsuch. Very good and he does a good job describing the problems we are having.
"Armegeddon" by Leon Uris If you haven't read it, A novel, WWII about the difference about wining the war and winning the peace. How do you rebuild after a destructive war. Specifically, WWII and the re-development of Germany and ultimately Berlin and the Airlift.
Re-read both recently, thought you would enjoy. Maybe not agree, but good reads (Armegeddon can be an acquired taste. Get it if it is not your cup of tea)
By the way on a civil note...
Two great books.
"A Republic, if you can keep it" by Gorsuch. Very good and he does a good job describing the problems we are having.
"Armegeddon" by Leon Uris If you haven't read it, A novel, WWII about the difference about wining the war and winning the peace. How do you rebuild after a destructive war. Specifically, WWII and the re-development of Germany and ultimately Berlin and the Airlift.
Re-read both recently, thought you would enjoy. Maybe not agree, but good reads (Armegeddon can be an acquired taste. Get it if it is not your cup of tea)
FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:
An interesting and very well written article on the legality.
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/11/venezeula-strikes-legal-southcom-when-the-law-bends-what-the-narcotics-boat-debate-misses/
Might makes right in international law. Only the weak and the foolish argue international law as terribly material for anything other than a justification for going to war.
That's another way of saying such justifications are self-serving and false. No news there, though the honesty is welcome. The problem is that American might is diminishing, and the hypocrisy undermines our soft power just when we need it the most.
LOL. Saying what we're doing to these drug cartel boats is illegal because of some assumed clause in the codebook of international law is a classic "tell me you don't know what your talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about" moment.
You know better of course, but I do have to allow that most people assume a strawman interpretation of International Law. It is not a code of laws. It is a set of generally agreed upon customs that guide state actions in international waters. to either enhance defense of one's own actions or bring pressure to bear against the actions of other states. States always have and always will pursue policies they believe are in their best interests, to the extent their power allows. International law is merely a reference point to shield or enhance cases for those states to either go to war, or avoid a war.
No state is going to cite "international law" to declare war on the USA over current operations off the coast of Venezuela. Not even Venezuela. Not because they either do or don't have some notional case under international law. They're not gonna do it because A) they know they'd get smoked, and B) they know they'd do the same thing if they could and they don't want to set precedent which might be used against them.
"No state is going to cite "international law" to declare war on the USA over current operations off the coast of Venezuela. Not even Venezuela. Not because they either do or don't have some notional case under international law. They're not gonna do it because A) they know they'd get smoked, and B) they know they'd do the same thing if they could and they don't want to set precedent which might be used against them."
What you just said there is the problem. We are now "Might makes Right." You know how a self-proclaimed "Alpha Male" thug dies? Shot by someone much weaker, because they don't have a choice. What you are describing is an "Alpha Male thug" mentality. We can do what we want because if you disagree we will smoke you. Under your philosophy, the US has gone from Sheepdog to Wolf...
This is how a real bad war starts in the nuclear age.
In global geopolitics, might does make right. Always has. Always will. It's the way the world actually works.
The only limiting factor is one or more other powers using their might to create deterrence.
It's hard to find a great power in history which has been more relentlessly benevolent than the USA.
You can't keep going around saying how benevolent you are and no one else agreeing. The current view of the US is not benevolent.
We're going to better your wretched lives if it kills you (said every colonialist ever).
ScottS said:
US Forces Eliminate 3 More Narco-Terrorists in Pacific Drug Strike RedState
If the article is trying to show how flimsy the evidence is, it did a great job.
The biggest drug traffickers have always been US allies. A prime example is Cartel of the Suns, which was a joint venture of the Venezuelan military and the CIA. Once Chavez came to power and started hurting everyone's feelings with his economic policies, we accused him of doing everything we'd actually been doing.
Sam Lowry said:ScottS said:
US Forces Eliminate 3 More Narco-Terrorists in Pacific Drug Strike RedState
If the article is trying to show how flimsy the evidence is, it did a great job.
The biggest drug traffickers have always been US allies. A prime example is Cartel of the Suns, which was a joint venture of the Venezuelan military and the CIA. Once Chavez came to power and started hurting everyone's feelings with his economic policies, we accused him of doing everything we'd actually been doing.
LOL Maxwell Smart has reported for duty.
Sam Lowry said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:
An interesting and very well written article on the legality.
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/11/venezeula-strikes-legal-southcom-when-the-law-bends-what-the-narcotics-boat-debate-misses/
Might makes right in international law. Only the weak and the foolish argue international law as terribly material for anything other than a justification for going to war.
That's another way of saying such justifications are self-serving and false. No news there, though the honesty is welcome. The problem is that American might is diminishing, and the hypocrisy undermines our soft power just when we need it the most.
LOL. Saying what we're doing to these drug cartel boats is illegal because of some assumed clause in the codebook of international law is a classic "tell me you don't know what your talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about" moment.
You know better of course, but I do have to allow that most people assume a strawman interpretation of International Law. It is not a code of laws. It is a set of generally agreed upon customs that guide state actions in international waters. to either enhance defense of one's own actions or bring pressure to bear against the actions of other states. States always have and always will pursue policies they believe are in their best interests, to the extent their power allows. International law is merely a reference point to shield or enhance cases for those states to either go to war, or avoid a war.
No state is going to cite "international law" to declare war on the USA over current operations off the coast of Venezuela. Not even Venezuela. Not because they either do or don't have some notional case under international law. They're not gonna do it because A) they know they'd get smoked, and B) they know they'd do the same thing if they could and they don't want to set precedent which might be used against them.
"No state is going to cite "international law" to declare war on the USA over current operations off the coast of Venezuela. Not even Venezuela. Not because they either do or don't have some notional case under international law. They're not gonna do it because A) they know they'd get smoked, and B) they know they'd do the same thing if they could and they don't want to set precedent which might be used against them."
What you just said there is the problem. We are now "Might makes Right." You know how a self-proclaimed "Alpha Male" thug dies? Shot by someone much weaker, because they don't have a choice. What you are describing is an "Alpha Male thug" mentality. We can do what we want because if you disagree we will smoke you. Under your philosophy, the US has gone from Sheepdog to Wolf...
This is how a real bad war starts in the nuclear age.
In global geopolitics, might does make right. Always has. Always will. It's the way the world actually works.
The only limiting factor is one or more other powers using their might to create deterrence.
It's hard to find a great power in history which has been more relentlessly benevolent than the USA.
You can't keep going around saying how benevolent you are and no one else agreeing. The current view of the US is not benevolent.
We're going to better your wretched lives if it kills you .
Sounds like what ambulance chasing lawyers say on television.
whiterock said:Sam Lowry said:ScottS said:
US Forces Eliminate 3 More Narco-Terrorists in Pacific Drug Strike RedState
If the article is trying to show how flimsy the evidence is, it did a great job.
The biggest drug traffickers have always been US allies. A prime example is Cartel of the Suns, which was a joint venture of the Venezuelan military and the CIA. Once Chavez came to power and started hurting everyone's feelings with his economic policies, we accused him of doing everything we'd actually been doing.
LOL Maxwell Smart has reported for duty.
Sam is an American Contrarian. Whatever is best for the USA, he is going the opposite direction. Very much like the Democrat Party. Unlike the Democrat Party, Sam is not making billions each year from the globalists (to the best of my knowledge...)
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🇺🇸🇻🇪⚠️ A few minutes ago, the United States issued a new NOTAM for the entire airspace of Venezuela, warning civil aircraft of a potentially dangerous security environment — due to the deteriorating situation inside the country and increased military activity around it.
— Visioner (@visionergeo) November 21, 2025
See the… pic.twitter.com/32uNc6ggj4
🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
whiterock said:🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
"It's just a military exercise"... .'^)
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whiterock said:🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
Hope we can avoid a protracted war in Venezuela.
Unless the sons and daughters of our country's elites are put into the first assault waves.
I say yes, keep.up the good work Mr President. Each baot kills thousands of US Citizens.
The very people that said they voted for Trump because he is a peaceful guy that won't get us into unnecessary wars are going to cheer going to war in..... Venezuela. Even less oil to control there than Iraq.
KaiBear said:whiterock said:🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
Hope we can avoid a protracted war in Venezuela.
Unless the sons and daughters of our country's elites are put into the first assault waves.
No worries, Trump said no new wars. He is not a globalist NeoCon.
FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
Hope we can avoid a protracted war in Venezuela.
Unless the sons and daughters of our country's elites are put into the first assault waves.
No worries, Trump said no new wars. He is not a globalist NeoCon.
Not remotely 'worried' about the outcome of such a war.
As the people in Venezuela have literally been starving for years and there is minimal support for the dictatorship.
Just hope few ( and even better none ) of our servicemen are killed in the process. Many of whom joined the military as their sole option to get ahead in life.
I realize most of this yuppie crowd will never believe it; but the finest people in our entire country , are those in the military.
KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
Hope we can avoid a protracted war in Venezuela.
Unless the sons and daughters of our country's elites are put into the first assault waves.
No worries, Trump said no new wars. He is not a globalist NeoCon.
Not remotely 'worried' about the outcome of such a war.
As the people in Venezuela have literally been starving for years and there is minimal support for the dictatorship.
Just hope few ( and even better none ) of our servicemen are killed in the process. Many of whom joined the military as their sole option to get ahead in life.
I realize most of this yuppie crowd will never believe it; but the finest people in our entire country , are those in the military.
We agree on this post. i truly believe everyone should be lower enlisted for a couple of years. gives you a unique perspective on life.
FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
Hope we can avoid a protracted war in Venezuela.
Unless the sons and daughters of our country's elites are put into the first assault waves.
No worries, Trump said no new wars. He is not a globalist NeoCon.
Not remotely 'worried' about the outcome of such a war.
As the people in Venezuela have literally been starving for years and there is minimal support for the dictatorship.
Just hope few ( and even better none ) of our servicemen are killed in the process. Many of whom joined the military as their sole option to get ahead in life.
I realize most of this yuppie crowd will never believe it; but the finest people in our entire country , are those in the military.
We agree on this post. i truly believe everyone should be lower enlisted for a couple of years. gives you a unique perspective on life.
Would certainly provide a better education than anything taught at a liberal arts university
Porteroso said:
The very people that said they voted for Trump because he is a peaceful guy that won't get us into unnecessary wars are going to cheer going to war in..... Venezuela. Even less oil to control there than Iraq.
LOL
Google up "Venezuela oil reserves."
Not only are they the largest in the world, but they are very thick & sulfurous, lower quality...aka "sour." Requires relatively more refinement than other grades. That is instructive as many US refineries were built for the purpose of refining sour Venezuelan crude. It takes time and money to convert those refineries over to process generally sweeter US oil.
Energy policy is one of the many layers to this situation. We need Venezuelan crude if we are to lower the cost of US energy. But that requires a Venezuelan government who is willing to be a good neighbor rather than a new Cuba poking us in the eye at every opportunity on behalf of greater hostile powers.
KaiBear said:whiterock said:🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
Hope we can avoid a protracted war in Venezuela.
Unless the sons and daughters of our country's elites are put into the first assault waves.
Don't think that is a terribly high probability outcome. We will cut a deal with some Colonel to sort it all out.
WAR.
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KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
Hope we can avoid a protracted war in Venezuela.
Unless the sons and daughters of our country's elites are put into the first assault waves.
No worries, Trump said no new wars. He is not a globalist NeoCon.
Not remotely 'worried' about the outcome of such a war.
As the people in Venezuela have literally been starving for years and there is minimal support for the dictatorship.
Just hope few ( and even better none ) of our servicemen are killed in the process. Many of whom joined the military as their sole option to get ahead in life.
I realize most of this yuppie crowd will never believe it; but the finest people in our entire country , are those in the military.
The rank and file there, absolutely hate that guy. They will do the fighting for us.
"I will not die today, but the same cannot be said for you." - From Assassin's Creed
Assassin said:KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
Hope we can avoid a protracted war in Venezuela.
Unless the sons and daughters of our country's elites are put into the first assault waves.
No worries, Trump said no new wars. He is not a globalist NeoCon.
Not remotely 'worried' about the outcome of such a war.
As the people in Venezuela have literally been starving for years and there is minimal support for the dictatorship.
Just hope few ( and even better none ) of our servicemen are killed in the process. Many of whom joined the military as their sole option to get ahead in life.
I realize most of this yuppie crowd will never believe it; but the finest people in our entire country , are those in the military.
The rank and file there, absolutely hate that guy. They will do the fighting for us.
Yeah, that has a history of turning out well...
FLBear5630 said:Assassin said:KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
Hope we can avoid a protracted war in Venezuela.
Unless the sons and daughters of our country's elites are put into the first assault waves.
No worries, Trump said no new wars. He is not a globalist NeoCon.
Not remotely 'worried' about the outcome of such a war.
As the people in Venezuela have literally been starving for years and there is minimal support for the dictatorship.
Just hope few ( and even better none ) of our servicemen are killed in the process. Many of whom joined the military as their sole option to get ahead in life.
I realize most of this yuppie crowd will never believe it; but the finest people in our entire country , are those in the military.
The rank and file there, absolutely hate that guy. They will do the fighting for us.
Yeah, that has a history of turning out well...
Keeps our guys safe, thats most important
"I will not die today, but the same cannot be said for you." - From Assassin's Creed
Assassin said:FLBear5630 said:Assassin said:KaiBear said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:🚨Alert: US has amassed the largest Naval Armada in modern history! 25% of deployed Naval Warships are ready to attack Venezuela!!pic.twitter.com/3lGQFEQ861
— US Homeland Security News (@defense_civil25) November 21, 2025
Hope we can avoid a protracted war in Venezuela.
Unless the sons and daughters of our country's elites are put into the first assault waves.
No worries, Trump said no new wars. He is not a globalist NeoCon.
Not remotely 'worried' about the outcome of such a war.
As the people in Venezuela have literally been starving for years and there is minimal support for the dictatorship.
Just hope few ( and even better none ) of our servicemen are killed in the process. Many of whom joined the military as their sole option to get ahead in life.
I realize most of this yuppie crowd will never believe it; but the finest people in our entire country , are those in the military.
The rank and file there, absolutely hate that guy. They will do the fighting for us.
Yeah, that has a history of turning out well...
Keeps our guys safe, thats most important
agree there.
Going Old School:
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Bessent: If something happens… in Venezuela that we could really see oil prices go down even more. That is really the key to lower oil prices and affordability. pic.twitter.com/tlG93xWGzg
— Washington Report (@Washington_Rep) November 24, 2025
WAR:
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The Department of State intends to designate Cartel de los Soles as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO), effective November 24, 2025. Based in Venezuela, the Cartel de los Soles is headed by Nicols Maduro and other high-ranking individuals of the illegitimate Maduro regime who have corrupted Venezuela's military, intelligence, legislature, and judiciary. Neither Maduro nor his cronies represent Venezuela's legitimate government. Cartel de los Soles by and with other designated FTOs including Tren de Aragua and the Sinaloa Cartel are responsible for terrorist violence throughout our hemisphere as well as for trafficking drugs into the United States and Europe.
The United States will continue using all available tools to protect our national security interests and deny funding and resources to narco-terrorists.
Today's action is taken pursuant to section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act.FTO designations go into effect upon publication in the Federal Register. Cartel de los Soles was previously designated by the Department of the Treasury pursuant to Executive Order 13224
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The Department of State intends to designate Cartel de los Soles as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO), effective November 24, 2025. Based in Venezuela, the Cartel de los Soles is headed by Nicols Maduro and other high-ranking individuals of the illegitimate Maduro regime who have corrupted Venezuela's military, intelligence, legislature, and judiciary. Neither Maduro nor his cronies represent Venezuela's legitimate government. Cartel de los Soles by and with other designated FTOs including Tren de Aragua and the Sinaloa Cartel are responsible for terrorist violence throughout our hemisphere as well as for trafficking drugs into the United States and Europe.
The United States will continue using all available tools to protect our national security interests and deny funding and resources to narco-terrorists.
Today's action is taken pursuant to section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act.FTO designations go into effect upon publication in the Federal Register. Cartel de los Soles was previously designated by the Department of the Treasury pursuant to Executive Order 13224
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boognish_bear said:Bessent: If something happens… in Venezuela that we could really see oil prices go down even more. That is really the key to lower oil prices and affordability. pic.twitter.com/tlG93xWGzg
— Washington Report (@Washington_Rep) November 24, 2025
Well at least this time…..no one is pretending the regime target has 'weapons of mass destruction'.
Let's go with our strength……pure imperialism.
Guns cause suicide. Just want to draw the parallel used to justify a narco war on a regime and state that has little to nothing to do with the fentanyl trade. Now we're creating a Putin worthy list of grievances and rebuking of international law to unilaterally act against a sovereign state. Oh the hypocrisy.
And piracy has no parallel to what's occurring here, despite whitetock's best efforts to pied piper you guys into buying it. At least he's admitting to the primitive doctrine of might makes right.
And piracy has no parallel to what's occurring here, despite whitetock's best efforts to pied piper you guys into buying it. At least he's admitting to the primitive doctrine of might makes right.
Rep. Salazar: "We're gonna be doing a favor to us, to our children, to our economy, to our oil companies to be able to liberate. And to Venezuelans who wants to be free." pic.twitter.com/arBi3JpxRz
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) November 24, 2025
KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:Bessent: If something happens… in Venezuela that we could really see oil prices go down even more. That is really the key to lower oil prices and affordability. pic.twitter.com/tlG93xWGzg
— Washington Report (@Washington_Rep) November 24, 2025
Well at least this time…..no one is pretending the regime target has 'weapons of mass destruction'.
Let's go with our strength……pure imperialism.
Tie it to the Monroe Doctrine, we can do anything with that...
It is an oil grab, these little boats have absolutely NO IMPACT on drugs. Good optics, who doesn't like seeing a Hellfire or C-130 gunship pound a target.
Following orders.
The message the Dems made, will end up as a nothing for those in the field actually carrying out the orders, if they are determined lawful or not.
This is an article from a Liberal site that gives a run down of the UCMJ. Even they say there is about zero chance that even the Commander of the ships will be in the fall out if it is determined to be illegal. Any culpability would be much higher up and that all service members first action is that the orders ARE legal. So, it is really much to do about nothing.
A bit, simplistic, but gets the ideas and process across, as it was written as a hypothetical.
Dear JAG: What Do I Do if I Get Unlawful Orders to Blow Up Civilian Boats - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dear-jag-what-do-i-do-if-i-get-unlawful-orders-to-blow-up-civilian-boats/ar-AA1R5Wne?ocid=socialshare
The message the Dems made, will end up as a nothing for those in the field actually carrying out the orders, if they are determined lawful or not.
This is an article from a Liberal site that gives a run down of the UCMJ. Even they say there is about zero chance that even the Commander of the ships will be in the fall out if it is determined to be illegal. Any culpability would be much higher up and that all service members first action is that the orders ARE legal. So, it is really much to do about nothing.
A bit, simplistic, but gets the ideas and process across, as it was written as a hypothetical.
Dear JAG: What Do I Do if I Get Unlawful Orders to Blow Up Civilian Boats - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dear-jag-what-do-i-do-if-i-get-unlawful-orders-to-blow-up-civilian-boats/ar-AA1R5Wne?ocid=socialshare