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' Poor fisherman'
Gotta luv the internet.
What you love is killing them.
Clueless…..these 'poor fisherman' are well paid to smuggle poisons into the United States.
Poisons that contribute to the deaths of approximately 100,000 Americans each year.
Now at some rudimentary level even a 'bubble gal' is aware of this.
However it suits you to play games.
These are justifications for killing them right? Is it hard to explicitly admit you want these impoverished fishermen dead?
So you talk in circles about all the reasons we need to kill them?
On the coast of Venezuela?
While Trump pardons the ex President of Honduras convicted in the U.S. of....
smuggling cocaine into the U.S.?.??
ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND dead Americans ANNUALLY
Yet your tears are for their killers.
There is something really wrong with you.
Tears? Where do you guys get this stuff. No one is concerned about the drug runners, they are concerned over the Constitution and where we are going. There is a lot of stuff going on that raise red flags. You served, take no prisoners? No one lives? That is consistent with how we wage war?
Really think we aways took prisoners ?
Come on fella;, you know better.
Geez, you dont see the difference between what happens in the field and SecDef giving orders? You use pros like SEAL team 6 so anyone in leadership doesn't have to say that and put the nation in a be as position. The higher up you go, the more general the orders.
Nice dancing.
Now try answering my question.
You know the truth…..educate these children.
Come on, I know you know that the higher you go the more general the orders. There is too much National and International backlash potential. Hegseth just put Trump and his Cabinet out on the limb. Not for the first time in what, 8 months? You don't do that. Let the Pros do their job, that is why they are there. He should NOT be getting involved at the tactical level.
Still playing around. You don't want to lose your little 'glow'.
Taking prisoners has always been a matter of convience. When in the slightest doubt, you shoot the mother ****er who is, or has been. trying to kill you or your team. But the media doesn't want to 'shock' the fat soccer moms out there. So these little fantasy games always get played. Don't know ( and no one else knows ) exactly what the Sec of D said. However if he was merely clearing the communication lines....I have zero issue with him bringing reality into the picture.
And you see no difference with that being determined in the field by the on-site Commander versus an order from SecDef going into the mission? We had people in Officer Training talk of double-tapping in field exercises, which ended up with a ton of bricks coming down on them, almost cost one active duty. It is illegal, you cannot do it. ANYONE in leadership cannot condone that behavior, that is how you end up in a Mai Lai trail. But, keep playing internet Rambo...
We will see how it plays out. I fear it is not going to end well for little Petey. Professionals are not going to go down or even lose their pensions for him.
Again
You are attempting to look 'nice' and feel 'nice'.
When it has never , in reality , been 'nice'.
Guys in the field need to KNOW their boss is NOT going to hang them out to dry when the **** gets real.
I applaud the Sec of Defense for his directive. ( if he actually did…which would require some huge balls ) Takes the heat OFF the guys actually doing the killing.
That is what you are missing. It doesn't. It puts more on them. It is an unlawful order being given by the Sec of Defense. Your first response is that all orders are legal, until they are not. The whole chain following the order will be held responsible. I was just following orders does not hold up and hasn't ever. He put some poor E7 or O3 in a **** spot leaving it to them to make the call on following or not.
I agree with you that the normal way of making those decisions in the field with the information at hand is the way it should go. That gives the guys in the field more cover, not less.
The whole Dem following orders thing now makes sense, it was NOT a random thing, it was because someone there is telling them what is going on.