boognish_bear said:It’s not American oil. It’s Venezuelan oil.
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) January 4, 2026
Oil companies entered into risky deals to develop oil, and the deals were canceled by a prior Venezuelan government.
What’s happening: lives of US soldiers are being risked to make those oil companies (not Americans) more profitable. https://t.co/L8GVYt6g5l
FLBear5630 said:
Ok, does process matter? Does the Constitution matter? I think based on the responses we have seen this year, it is something that deserves discussion.
Does following the Constitution and trying to follow the Constitution matter any more? OR, is finding creative ways around it through Executive Orders or waiting for the Courts the new way if the Executive Branch determines the ends justifies the means?
Honest questions. Because we are now at a point where we have creative Executive Orders and Sec of State's saying they do not have to tell Congress about using the military if the mission is deemed so. Nevermind, Trump's leaking comments...
They are picking areas that no one wants to fight, such as Maduro, drug dealers, etc. to set precedent. Now, Trump is saying we can do this more. Is Cuba, Panama Canal, Greenland on the table? As Trump said, Who is going to stop us?
Is that what we want.
FLBear5630 said:Stranger said:FLBear5630 said:
Ok, does process matter? Does the Constitution matter? I think based on the responses we have seen this year, it is something that deserves discussion.
Does following the Constitution and trying to follow the Constitution matter any more? OR, is finding creative ways around it through Executive Orders or waiting for the Courts the new way if the Executive Branch determines the ends justifies the means?
Honest questions. Because we are now at a point where we have creative Executive Orders and Sec of State's saying they do not have to tell Congress about using the military if the mission is deemed so. Nevermind, Trump's leaking comments...
They are picking areas that no one wants to fight, such as Maduro, drug dealers, etc. to set precedent. Now, Trump is saying we can do this more. Is Cuba, Panama Canal, Greenland on the table? As Trump said, Who is going to stop us?
Is that what we want.
obviously, a liberal
I agree with Rand Paul.
"He cautioned that while the outcomethe end of a tyrannymight be celebrated, the mechanism used to achieve it empowers the "Unitary President."
This was done by Executive Order, not Congress. No one, that values freedom, is mourning Maduro. And there are a whole host of other targets that if removed we should rejoice. But the question still remains, what role does Congress have in this and is the Constitution outdated?
Because your response is perfect to sum up the issue, you seem to want the "Unitary President". If that is the case, we simply need to amend the Constitution rather than the circumventing.
cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:
Ok, does process matter? Does the Constitution matter? I think based on the responses we have seen this year, it is something that deserves discussion.
Does following the Constitution and trying to follow the Constitution matter any more? OR, is finding creative ways around it through Executive Orders or waiting for the Courts the new way if the Executive Branch determines the ends justifies the means?
Honest questions. Because we are now at a point where we have creative Executive Orders and Sec of State's saying they do not have to tell Congress about using the military if the mission is deemed so. Nevermind, Trump's leaking comments...
They are picking areas that no one wants to fight, such as Maduro, drug dealers, etc. to set precedent. Now, Trump is saying we can do this more. Is Cuba, Panama Canal, Greenland on the table? As Trump said, Who is going to stop us?
Is that what we want.
What part of the constitution says the president has to tell Congress of military action/use?
Not war but use of the military.
Executive orders have been issued since the first President.
ATL Bear said:Barry was wrong on Libya. In fact they were wrong on the entire Arab Spring farce. I guess we are in the midst of the Fentanyl Fall. And Trump not Biden or Barry put the reward on Maduro's arrest. I'm okay with that. I'm just amazed at the "we're not the world's police crowd", cheering on us literally being the police with our military.Harrison Bergeron said:
This may be the biggest example of TDS and Democrat Idiocracy and hypocrisy and overall stupidity ... this is why we cannot have nice things ...
1. Barry literally did the same thing in Libya
2. Barry literally killed more than 3,000 people without "due process"
3. Barry and Biden put a bounty on Maduro
4. Biden made a stupid tweet claiming Trump was a Maduro puppett
Now this morons are butthurt over taking him out. You cannot take these kids of idiots seriously in any way shape or form.
JUST IN: 🇺🇸🇻🇪 President Trump says US companies are going into Venezuela and taking the oil out of the ground.
— Watcher.Guru (@WatcherGuru) January 5, 2026
"They stole our oil….we're gonna take our oil back." pic.twitter.com/r56LaUZh8l
In the 3 hr operation to capture/arrest Maduro, US forces not only proved Russian air defense useless but also proved Chinese technology useless. This is a Chinese promo for its JY-27 "anti-stealth" radar of which Venezuela bought 9, all of failed to detect the incoming aircraft pic.twitter.com/6lfqXfIBGA
— raging545 (@raging545) January 4, 2026
TRUMP: Colombia is very sick too. Run by a sick man who likes making cocaine and selling it to the US, and he's not gonna be doing it very long
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 5, 2026
Q: So there's will be an operation by the US in Colombia?
TRUMP: Sounds good to me pic.twitter.com/jotpgg3c1d
A larger truth transcends partisan politics:
— U.S. Senator John Fetterman (@SenFettermanPA) January 4, 2026
America is the world’s force of good, democracy and order. 🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/daDJxzu1D4
cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:Stranger said:FLBear5630 said:
Ok, does process matter? Does the Constitution matter? I think based on the responses we have seen this year, it is something that deserves discussion.
Does following the Constitution and trying to follow the Constitution matter any more? OR, is finding creative ways around it through Executive Orders or waiting for the Courts the new way if the Executive Branch determines the ends justifies the means?
Honest questions. Because we are now at a point where we have creative Executive Orders and Sec of State's saying they do not have to tell Congress about using the military if the mission is deemed so. Nevermind, Trump's leaking comments...
They are picking areas that no one wants to fight, such as Maduro, drug dealers, etc. to set precedent. Now, Trump is saying we can do this more. Is Cuba, Panama Canal, Greenland on the table? As Trump said, Who is going to stop us?
Is that what we want.
obviously, a liberal
I agree with Rand Paul.
"He cautioned that while the outcomethe end of a tyrannymight be celebrated, the mechanism used to achieve it empowers the "Unitary President."
This was done by Executive Order, not Congress. No one, that values freedom, is mourning Maduro. And there are a whole host of other targets that if removed we should rejoice. But the question still remains, what role does Congress have in this and is the Constitution outdated?
Because your response is perfect to sum up the issue, you seem to want the "Unitary President". If that is the case, we simply need to amend the Constitution rather than the circumventing.
What part of the Constitution says the President has to ask Congress for approval before doing things?
Q: Back in 2016, you criticized the US being involved in regime change and nation building. You stance has changed on that
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 5, 2026
TRUMP: This isn't a country on the other side of the world. This is Venezuela. It's in our area. The Donroe Doctrine pic.twitter.com/MW4N61yRKv
boognish_bear said:In the 3 hr operation to capture/arrest Maduro, US forces not only proved Russian air defense useless but also proved Chinese technology useless. This is a Chinese promo for its JY-27 "anti-stealth" radar of which Venezuela bought 9, all of failed to detect the incoming aircraft pic.twitter.com/6lfqXfIBGA
— raging545 (@raging545) January 4, 2026
boognish_bear said:Q: Back in 2016, you criticized the US being involved in regime change and nation building. You stance has changed on that
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 5, 2026
TRUMP: This isn't a country on the other side of the world. This is Venezuela. It's in our area. The Donroe Doctrine pic.twitter.com/MW4N61yRKv
KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:In the 3 hr operation to capture/arrest Maduro, US forces not only proved Russian air defense useless but also proved Chinese technology useless. This is a Chinese promo for its JY-27 "anti-stealth" radar of which Venezuela bought 9, all of failed to detect the incoming aircraft pic.twitter.com/6lfqXfIBGA
— raging545 (@raging545) January 4, 2026
Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.
Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.
Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.
Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.
Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.
whiterock said:KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:In the 3 hr operation to capture/arrest Maduro, US forces not only proved Russian air defense useless but also proved Chinese technology useless. This is a Chinese promo for its JY-27 "anti-stealth" radar of which Venezuela bought 9, all of failed to detect the incoming aircraft pic.twitter.com/6lfqXfIBGA
— raging545 (@raging545) January 4, 2026
Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.
Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.
Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.
Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.
Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.
Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.
Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......
Assassin said:boognish_bear said:It’s not American oil. It’s Venezuelan oil.
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) January 4, 2026
Oil companies entered into risky deals to develop oil, and the deals were canceled by a prior Venezuelan government.
What’s happening: lives of US soldiers are being risked to make those oil companies (not Americans) more profitable. https://t.co/L8GVYt6g5l
This guy is just a dick. No way around it. A real putz
whiterock said:KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:In the 3 hr operation to capture/arrest Maduro, US forces not only proved Russian air defense useless but also proved Chinese technology useless. This is a Chinese promo for its JY-27 "anti-stealth" radar of which Venezuela bought 9, all of failed to detect the incoming aircraft pic.twitter.com/6lfqXfIBGA
— raging545 (@raging545) January 4, 2026
Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.
Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.
Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.
Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.
Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.
Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.
Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......
KaiBear said:whiterock said:KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:In the 3 hr operation to capture/arrest Maduro, US forces not only proved Russian air defense useless but also proved Chinese technology useless. This is a Chinese promo for its JY-27 "anti-stealth" radar of which Venezuela bought 9, all of failed to detect the incoming aircraft pic.twitter.com/6lfqXfIBGA
— raging545 (@raging545) January 4, 2026
Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.
Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.
Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.
Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.
Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.
Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.
Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......
Do not disagree.
However they could send hundreds of more troops to Venezuela as a human 'trip wire'.
With a stated 'declaration of war' if any are killed in another US strike.
Of course the only impact of such a war declaration would be the hope of masive military aid from Russia or China.
While I doubt such aid would be forthcoming, Cuba is in a position to mess things up for the US. And they will be desperate to do so because they know damn well Trump will ( correctly ) cut off their oil shipements.
Bottom line........we got to move NOW. Get troops on the ground immediately.
KaiBear said:whiterock said:KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:In the 3 hr operation to capture/arrest Maduro, US forces not only proved Russian air defense useless but also proved Chinese technology useless. This is a Chinese promo for its JY-27 "anti-stealth" radar of which Venezuela bought 9, all of failed to detect the incoming aircraft pic.twitter.com/6lfqXfIBGA
— raging545 (@raging545) January 4, 2026
Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.
Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.
Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.
Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.
Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.
Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.
Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......
Do not disagree.
However they could send hundreds of more troops to Venezuela as a human 'trip wire'.
With a stated 'declaration of war' if any are killed in another US strike.
Of course the only impact of such a war declaration would be the hope of masive military aid from Russia or China.
While I doubt such aid would be forthcoming, Cuba is in a position to mess things up for the US. And they will be desperate to do so because they know damn well Trump will ( correctly ) cut off their oil shipements.
Bottom line........we got to move NOW. Get troops on the ground immediately.
whiterock said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:In the 3 hr operation to capture/arrest Maduro, US forces not only proved Russian air defense useless but also proved Chinese technology useless. This is a Chinese promo for its JY-27 "anti-stealth" radar of which Venezuela bought 9, all of failed to detect the incoming aircraft pic.twitter.com/6lfqXfIBGA
— raging545 (@raging545) January 4, 2026
Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.
Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.
Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.
Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.
Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.
Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.
Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......
Do not disagree.
However they could send hundreds of more troops to Venezuela as a human 'trip wire'.
With a stated 'declaration of war' if any are killed in another US strike.
Of course the only impact of such a war declaration would be the hope of masive military aid from Russia or China.
While I doubt such aid would be forthcoming, Cuba is in a position to mess things up for the US. And they will be desperate to do so because they know damn well Trump will ( correctly ) cut off their oil shipements.
Bottom line........we got to move NOW. Get troops on the ground immediately.
That's certainly conventional thinking. But it doesn't seem to be the plan.
Perhaps……. We have enough coercion at work that we can simply force the remnant regime to do as we instruct. They all know we can smoke them at our discretion. So leverage is high
Would be a very creative approach, for sure.
whiterock said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:In the 3 hr operation to capture/arrest Maduro, US forces not only proved Russian air defense useless but also proved Chinese technology useless. This is a Chinese promo for its JY-27 "anti-stealth" radar of which Venezuela bought 9, all of failed to detect the incoming aircraft pic.twitter.com/6lfqXfIBGA
— raging545 (@raging545) January 4, 2026
Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.
Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.
Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.
Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.
Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.
Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.
Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......
Do not disagree.
However they could send hundreds of more troops to Venezuela as a human 'trip wire'.
With a stated 'declaration of war' if any are killed in another US strike.
Of course the only impact of such a war declaration would be the hope of masive military aid from Russia or China.
While I doubt such aid would be forthcoming, Cuba is in a position to mess things up for the US. And they will be desperate to do so because they know damn well Trump will ( correctly ) cut off their oil shipements.
Bottom line........we got to move NOW. Get troops on the ground immediately.
That's certainly conventional thinking. But it doesn't seem to be the plan.
Perhaps……. We have enough coercion at work that we can simply force the remnant regime to do as we instruct. They all know we can smoke them at our discretion. So leverage is high
Would be a very creative approach, for sure.
a naval and air blockade of anything military or petroleum related should work fine without the need for troops on the groundKaiBear said:whiterock said:KaiBear said:boognish_bear said:In the 3 hr operation to capture/arrest Maduro, US forces not only proved Russian air defense useless but also proved Chinese technology useless. This is a Chinese promo for its JY-27 "anti-stealth" radar of which Venezuela bought 9, all of failed to detect the incoming aircraft pic.twitter.com/6lfqXfIBGA
— raging545 (@raging545) January 4, 2026
Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.
Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.
Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.
Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.
Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.
Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.
Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......
Do not disagree.
However they could send hundreds of more troops to Venezuela as a human 'trip wire'.
With a stated 'declaration of war' if any are killed in another US strike.
Of course the only impact of such a war declaration would be the hope of masive military aid from Russia or China.
While I doubt such aid would be forthcoming, Cuba is in a position to mess things up for the US. And they will be desperate to do so because they know damn well Trump will ( correctly ) cut off their oil shipements.
Bottom line........we got to move NOW. Get troops on the ground immediately.
Assassin said:
What are the chances of a US Base there? Or a Military Port?
FLBear5630 said:Assassin said:
What are the chances of a US Base there? Or a Military Port?
Cuba or Venezuela?
We have one in Cuba. I would expect we will get one in Venezuela at some point.
Assassin said:FLBear5630 said:Assassin said:
What are the chances of a US Base there? Or a Military Port?
Cuba or Venezuela?
We have one in Cuba. I would expect we will get one in Venezuela at some point.
VZ
FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Stranger said:FLBear5630 said:
Ok, does process matter? Does the Constitution matter? I think based on the responses we have seen this year, it is something that deserves discussion.
Does following the Constitution and trying to follow the Constitution matter any more? OR, is finding creative ways around it through Executive Orders or waiting for the Courts the new way if the Executive Branch determines the ends justifies the means?
Honest questions. Because we are now at a point where we have creative Executive Orders and Sec of State's saying they do not have to tell Congress about using the military if the mission is deemed so. Nevermind, Trump's leaking comments...
They are picking areas that no one wants to fight, such as Maduro, drug dealers, etc. to set precedent. Now, Trump is saying we can do this more. Is Cuba, Panama Canal, Greenland on the table? As Trump said, Who is going to stop us?
Is that what we want.
obviously, a liberal
Yeah to this group, have to be to discuss process.
Funny, nowhere does this specific situation show up in the Constitution saying the United States has to do what FLBear wants.
Bottom line, you are spewing spite because 'Trump'.
Cry more.
Roll of Eyes.
You are good with this, no issue.
Do you feel the same with a Democrat President doing their thing with emergency declarations and EOs?
Sure. See Obama taking out Osama bin Laden, for example.
You want Maduro treated with the same respect due a duly elected President, and you want the narco state aspect to be ignored.
This is why no serious adult is going to support your position.
This has nothing to do with Maduro. The issue Rand Paul and others are bringing up are internal US process.
Nobody has a problem with Maduro ending up in prison.
But, saying that makes you feel good and makes the issue about Maduro when it isn't.
ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Stranger said:FLBear5630 said:
Ok, does process matter? Does the Constitution matter? I think based on the responses we have seen this year, it is something that deserves discussion.
Does following the Constitution and trying to follow the Constitution matter any more? OR, is finding creative ways around it through Executive Orders or waiting for the Courts the new way if the Executive Branch determines the ends justifies the means?
Honest questions. Because we are now at a point where we have creative Executive Orders and Sec of State's saying they do not have to tell Congress about using the military if the mission is deemed so. Nevermind, Trump's leaking comments...
They are picking areas that no one wants to fight, such as Maduro, drug dealers, etc. to set precedent. Now, Trump is saying we can do this more. Is Cuba, Panama Canal, Greenland on the table? As Trump said, Who is going to stop us?
Is that what we want.
obviously, a liberal
Yeah to this group, have to be to discuss process.
Funny, nowhere does this specific situation show up in the Constitution saying the United States has to do what FLBear wants.
Bottom line, you are spewing spite because 'Trump'.
Cry more.
Roll of Eyes.
You are good with this, no issue.
Do you feel the same with a Democrat President doing their thing with emergency declarations and EOs?
Sure. See Obama taking out Osama bin Laden, for example.
You want Maduro treated with the same respect due a duly elected President, and you want the narco state aspect to be ignored.
This is why no serious adult is going to support your position.
This has nothing to do with Maduro. The issue Rand Paul and others are bringing up are internal US process.
Nobody has a problem with Maduro ending up in prison.
But, saying that makes you feel good and makes the issue about Maduro when it isn't.
Many liberals do. Did you not see their protests? They were calling for Maduro to be freed.
FLBear5630 said:ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Stranger said:FLBear5630 said:
Ok, does process matter? Does the Constitution matter? I think based on the responses we have seen this year, it is something that deserves discussion.
Does following the Constitution and trying to follow the Constitution matter any more? OR, is finding creative ways around it through Executive Orders or waiting for the Courts the new way if the Executive Branch determines the ends justifies the means?
Honest questions. Because we are now at a point where we have creative Executive Orders and Sec of State's saying they do not have to tell Congress about using the military if the mission is deemed so. Nevermind, Trump's leaking comments...
They are picking areas that no one wants to fight, such as Maduro, drug dealers, etc. to set precedent. Now, Trump is saying we can do this more. Is Cuba, Panama Canal, Greenland on the table? As Trump said, Who is going to stop us?
Is that what we want.
obviously, a liberal
Yeah to this group, have to be to discuss process.
Funny, nowhere does this specific situation show up in the Constitution saying the United States has to do what FLBear wants.
Bottom line, you are spewing spite because 'Trump'.
Cry more.
Roll of Eyes.
You are good with this, no issue.
Do you feel the same with a Democrat President doing their thing with emergency declarations and EOs?
Sure. See Obama taking out Osama bin Laden, for example.
You want Maduro treated with the same respect due a duly elected President, and you want the narco state aspect to be ignored.
This is why no serious adult is going to support your position.
This has nothing to do with Maduro. The issue Rand Paul and others are bringing up are internal US process.
Nobody has a problem with Maduro ending up in prison.
But, saying that makes you feel good and makes the issue about Maduro when it isn't.
Many liberals do. Did you not see their protests? They were calling for Maduro to be freed.
That is stupid.
We did it and we are in. What did Churchill say- When going through Hell, keep going. Get the base, get our oil money back and destroy drug trade. we already took the international hit.
ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Stranger said:FLBear5630 said:
Ok, does process matter? Does the Constitution matter? I think based on the responses we have seen this year, it is something that deserves discussion.
Does following the Constitution and trying to follow the Constitution matter any more? OR, is finding creative ways around it through Executive Orders or waiting for the Courts the new way if the Executive Branch determines the ends justifies the means?
Honest questions. Because we are now at a point where we have creative Executive Orders and Sec of State's saying they do not have to tell Congress about using the military if the mission is deemed so. Nevermind, Trump's leaking comments...
They are picking areas that no one wants to fight, such as Maduro, drug dealers, etc. to set precedent. Now, Trump is saying we can do this more. Is Cuba, Panama Canal, Greenland on the table? As Trump said, Who is going to stop us?
Is that what we want.
obviously, a liberal
Yeah to this group, have to be to discuss process.
Funny, nowhere does this specific situation show up in the Constitution saying the United States has to do what FLBear wants.
Bottom line, you are spewing spite because 'Trump'.
Cry more.
Roll of Eyes.
You are good with this, no issue.
Do you feel the same with a Democrat President doing their thing with emergency declarations and EOs?
Sure. See Obama taking out Osama bin Laden, for example.
You want Maduro treated with the same respect due a duly elected President, and you want the narco state aspect to be ignored.
This is why no serious adult is going to support your position.
This has nothing to do with Maduro. The issue Rand Paul and others are bringing up are internal US process.
Nobody has a problem with Maduro ending up in prison.
But, saying that makes you feel good and makes the issue about Maduro when it isn't.
Many liberals do. Did you not see their protests? They were calling for Maduro to be freed.
That is stupid.
We did it and we are in. What did Churchill say- When going through Hell, keep going. Get the base, get our oil money back and destroy drug trade. we already took the international hit.
I'm telling you the liberals want Maduro back. They feel we wrong him. Here is an example... Martina Navratilova Hopes International Criminal Court will Sanction U.S.A. Over Venezuela Action Martina Navratilova Hopes International Criminal Court will Sanction U.S.A. Over Venezuela Action
The comment was more general and not targeted at you specifically if that's how you took it. And I can't answer for the actions of these leftist nuts. They are absolutely full of bile and hypocrisy is one of their defining traits. Obama got away with a lot that they would have screamed bloody murder about if Trump or a conservative did it. Could you imagine the outrage if Trump was secretly taking the communication records of journalists?Harrison Bergeron said:ATL Bear said:Barry was wrong on Libya. In fact they were wrong on the entire Arab Spring farce. I guess we are in the midst of the Fentanyl Fall. And Trump not Biden or Barry put the reward on Maduro's arrest. I'm okay with that. I'm just amazed at the "we're not the world's police crowd", cheering on us literally being the police with our military.Harrison Bergeron said:
This may be the biggest example of TDS and Democrat Idiocracy and hypocrisy and overall stupidity ... this is why we cannot have nice things ...
1. Barry literally did the same thing in Libya
2. Barry literally killed more than 3,000 people without "due process"
3. Barry and Biden put a bounty on Maduro
4. Biden made a stupid tweet claiming Trump was a Maduro puppett
Now this morons are butthurt over taking him out. You cannot take these kids of idiots seriously in any way shape or form.
Just to be clear - I stated earlier not sure I support the action - I am just laughing at the hypocrisy. Everyone on this board projects my hatred of hypocrisy into support of Trump
or something else. These ****ing hypocritical loons were not marching when Barry murdered Quaddaffi.
FLBear5630 said:ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Stranger said:FLBear5630 said:
Ok, does process matter? Does the Constitution matter? I think based on the responses we have seen this year, it is something that deserves discussion.
Does following the Constitution and trying to follow the Constitution matter any more? OR, is finding creative ways around it through Executive Orders or waiting for the Courts the new way if the Executive Branch determines the ends justifies the means?
Honest questions. Because we are now at a point where we have creative Executive Orders and Sec of State's saying they do not have to tell Congress about using the military if the mission is deemed so. Nevermind, Trump's leaking comments...
They are picking areas that no one wants to fight, such as Maduro, drug dealers, etc. to set precedent. Now, Trump is saying we can do this more. Is Cuba, Panama Canal, Greenland on the table? As Trump said, Who is going to stop us?
Is that what we want.
obviously, a liberal
Yeah to this group, have to be to discuss process.
Funny, nowhere does this specific situation show up in the Constitution saying the United States has to do what FLBear wants.
Bottom line, you are spewing spite because 'Trump'.
Cry more.
Roll of Eyes.
You are good with this, no issue.
Do you feel the same with a Democrat President doing their thing with emergency declarations and EOs?
Sure. See Obama taking out Osama bin Laden, for example.
You want Maduro treated with the same respect due a duly elected President, and you want the narco state aspect to be ignored.
This is why no serious adult is going to support your position.
This has nothing to do with Maduro. The issue Rand Paul and others are bringing up are internal US process.
Nobody has a problem with Maduro ending up in prison.
But, saying that makes you feel good and makes the issue about Maduro when it isn't.
Many liberals do. Did you not see their protests? They were calling for Maduro to be freed.
That is stupid.
We did it and we are in. What did Churchill say- When going through Hell, keep going. Get the base, get our oil money back and destroy drug trade. we already took the international hit.
I'm telling you the liberals want Maduro back. They feel we wrong him. Here is an example... Martina Navratilova Hopes International Criminal Court will Sanction U.S.A. Over Venezuela Action Martina Navratilova Hopes International Criminal Court will Sanction U.S.A. Over Venezuela Action
I am not doubting you. Sorry, if it came out that way.
Once we did it and went in to get him, prosecute him. Negotiate a Naval Base and go in and destroy drug infrastructure. We already have the negatives about acting unilaterally. It makes no sense to take the negatives and not achieve anything we want.
Which is the most frightening part of all of this. From a geopolitical strategy standpoint, solving the Venezuela issue makes incredible sense. But then acting with impunity beyond laws and standards has broader impact long term also. I mean did we just out Russia, Russia in what they couldn't do in Ukraine? Was this a more violent/militaristic Mossadegh (Iran) type coup? Is the U.S. military now the Hemispheric DEA, which really is a facade for resource grabs?LIB,MR BEARS said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:
Ok, does process matter? Does the Constitution matter? I think based on the responses we have seen this year, it is something that deserves discussion.
Does following the Constitution and trying to follow the Constitution matter any more? OR, is finding creative ways around it through Executive Orders or waiting for the Courts the new way if the Executive Branch determines the ends justifies the means?
Honest questions. Because we are now at a point where we have creative Executive Orders and Sec of State's saying they do not have to tell Congress about using the military if the mission is deemed so. Nevermind, Trump's leaking comments...
They are picking areas that no one wants to fight, such as Maduro, drug dealers, etc. to set precedent. Now, Trump is saying we can do this more. Is Cuba, Panama Canal, Greenland on the table? As Trump said, Who is going to stop us?
Is that what we want.
What part of the constitution says the president has to tell Congress of military action/use?
Not war but use of the military.
Executive orders have been issued since the first President.
Congress likes to make noise in this regard but never wants to reign in the office because one day they, or their party will be in the office and they will want the option themselves.
Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Stranger said:FLBear5630 said:
Ok, does process matter? Does the Constitution matter? I think based on the responses we have seen this year, it is something that deserves discussion.
Does following the Constitution and trying to follow the Constitution matter any more? OR, is finding creative ways around it through Executive Orders or waiting for the Courts the new way if the Executive Branch determines the ends justifies the means?
Honest questions. Because we are now at a point where we have creative Executive Orders and Sec of State's saying they do not have to tell Congress about using the military if the mission is deemed so. Nevermind, Trump's leaking comments...
They are picking areas that no one wants to fight, such as Maduro, drug dealers, etc. to set precedent. Now, Trump is saying we can do this more. Is Cuba, Panama Canal, Greenland on the table? As Trump said, Who is going to stop us?
Is that what we want.
obviously, a liberal
Yeah to this group, have to be to discuss process.
Funny, nowhere does this specific situation show up in the Constitution saying the United States has to do what FLBear wants.
Bottom line, you are spewing spite because 'Trump'.
Cry more.
Roll of Eyes.
You are good with this, no issue.
Do you feel the same with a Democrat President doing their thing with emergency declarations and EOs?
Sure. See Obama taking out Osama bin Laden, for example.
You want Maduro treated with the same respect due a duly elected President, and you want the narco state aspect to be ignored.
This is why no serious adult is going to support your position.
This has nothing to do with Maduro. The issue Rand Paul and others are bringing up are internal US process.
Nobody has a problem with Maduro ending up in prison.
But, saying that makes you feel good and makes the issue about Maduro when it isn't.
Many liberals do. Did you not see their protests? They were calling for Maduro to be freed.
That is stupid.
We did it and we are in. What did Churchill say- When going through Hell, keep going. Get the base, get our oil money back and destroy drug trade. we already took the international hit.
I'm telling you the liberals want Maduro back. They feel we wrong him. Here is an example... Martina Navratilova Hopes International Criminal Court will Sanction U.S.A. Over Venezuela Action Martina Navratilova Hopes International Criminal Court will Sanction U.S.A. Over Venezuela Action
I am not doubting you. Sorry, if it came out that way.
Once we did it and went in to get him, prosecute him. Negotiate a Naval Base and go in and destroy drug infrastructure. We already have the negatives about acting unilaterally. It makes no sense to take the negatives and not achieve anything we want.
Good point.
We are committed to the course. The point now is not to demand it unhappen. but to make sure we get the best possible outcome from this position. Especially given the at-least initial public support for now.
That said, we need to be sure we don't get tied into risky ventures or forget the lessons of Mogadishu and Afghanistan.
