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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 11:14p, 1/6/26
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?
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In reply to Porteroso • 1:45a, 1/7/26
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 9:09a, 1/7/26
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Marco Rubio is Cuban......just saying.
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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 9:14a, 1/7/26
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.
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In reply to Porteroso • 9:47a, 1/7/26
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.
"An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
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9:49a, 1/7/26
That oil should have benefited the VZn people over the past 35 years......

Now it can -

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In reply to Porteroso • 10:01a, 1/7/26
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

Of course a full scale military invasion of Greenland would be too far. I would support impeachment if he does that.

I do support a purchase of Greenland if there is an economic development plan that ultimately pays back taxpayer's investment.

Have you noticed Trump says outrageous things to gain leverage in situations?
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In reply to Assassin • 10:24a, 1/7/26
Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

You going to feel that way when the Dems get power back?

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In reply to boognish_bear • 11:20a, 1/7/26
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Then take out some pipelines.....if that doesn't finish the message.....take out some platforms.
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In reply to Assassin • 11:27a, 1/7/26
Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

I wasn't clear. I meant he had expanded the power of the executive, beyond what the Constitution outlines, far more than any previous President. You obviously would agree that is bad, because you aren't an anti Constitution dumbo, right?
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In reply to BearFan33 • 11:29a, 1/7/26
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

Of course a full scale military invasion of Greenland would be too far. I would support impeachment if he does that.

I do support a purchase of Greenland if there is an economic development plan that ultimately pays back taxpayer's investment.

Have you noticed Trump says outrageous things to gain leverage in situations?

Saying dumb things does not seem to equate to leverage, just getting ignored, in my experience. Obviously when you are the most powerful person on the planet, the rules are different. But it is not befitting behavior.
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Then take out some pipelines.....if that doesn't finish the message.....take out some platforms.
That would be a very dangerous move. Most of them are managed by Sinopec or CNPC. So you'd be attacking China directly.
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Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

You going to feel that way when the Dems get power back?


Trump came in with 2 years to make a positive impact so his final 2 years he can continue to make a positive impact.

He has to be aggressive, hyper-aggressive. He already has some very positive metrics behind him and the Dems have given him some great ammo to use against them with the Cali budget/economy, fraud in MN and OH, Chicago crime vs DC crime and, an socialist in NYC.

X offsets a lot of the negative MSM plus CBS may start playing news straight up.

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Porteroso said:
Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

I wasn't clear. I meant he had expanded the power of the executive, beyond what the Constitution outlines, far more than any previous President. You obviously would agree that is bad, because you aren't an anti Constitution dumbo, right?


You probably forgot Obama's bombing folks for a full year and Bush going into Panama.

What has Trump done where there is not a precedent already set by a previous administration. He may be acting on a different scale but he is not acting without precedent.
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No need to take out pipelines.

Control the flow, not stop the flow.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:
FLBear5630 said:
Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

You going to feel that way when the Dems get power back?


Trump came in with 2 years to make a positive impact so his final 2 years he can continue to make a positive impact.

He has to be aggressive, hyper-aggressive. He already has some very positive metrics behind him and the Dems have given him some great ammo to use against them with the Cali budget/economy, fraud in MN and OH, Chicago crime vs DC crime and, an socialist in NYC.

X offsets a lot of the negative MSM plus CBS may start playing news straight up.


I don't mean in mid-terms or even 28. I am talking in the future. Opposing Party will get power back.

For mid-terms and 28, at lot will come down to how China and Russia react. If we get into a shooting war with either, it will be an issue.

We were in a close situation today, Russia sends a sub. We have p8 and who knows. I would love to hear this story if we took it.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

I wasn't clear. I meant he had expanded the power of the executive, beyond what the Constitution outlines, far more than any previous President. You obviously would agree that is bad, because you aren't an anti Constitution dumbo, right?


You probably forgot Obama's bombing folks for a full year and Bush going into Panama.

What has Trump done where there is not a precedent already set by a previous administration. He may be acting on a different scale but he is not acting without precedent.

Whether you want to say Trump is scaling up the power, or expanding the power, same thing. You clearly agree but hesitate to admit to it.
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KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Then take out some pipelines.....if that doesn't finish the message.....take out some platforms.
That would be a very dangerous move. Most of them are managed by Sinopec or CNPC. So you'd be attacking China directly.


The fact that China is so deeply embedded with the Venezuelan oil industry simply provides another reason for the US to act decisively.

This is our hemisphere….the Monroe Doctrine is not a dead letter.

If the United States is going to war let it be in our own sphere of influence and not Eastern Europe.

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FLBear5630 said:
Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

You going to feel that way when the Dems get power back?

Hoping that we get everything fix and they dont come back in power for a loooooong time
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In reply to KaiBear • 6:17p, 1/7/26
KaiBear said:
ATL Bear said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Then take out some pipelines.....if that doesn't finish the message.....take out some platforms.

That would be a very dangerous move. Most of them are managed by Sinopec or CNPC. So you'd be attacking China directly.


The fact that China is so deeply embedded with the Venezuelan oil industry simply provides another reason for the US to act decisively.

This is our hemisphere….the Monroe Doctrine is not a dead letter.

If the United States is going to war let it be in our own sphere of influence and not Eastern Europe.

Good points
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Assassin said:
FLBear5630 said:
Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

You going to feel that way when the Dems get power back?

Hoping that we get everything fix and they dont come back in power for a loooooong time

Democrats will certainly be back in power sooner or later.

Just hope and pray that when that happens, it's more like Fetterman and less like Biden, Harris, and so on.
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Oldbear83 said:
Assassin said:
FLBear5630 said:
Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

You going to feel that way when the Dems get power back?

Hoping that we get everything fix and they dont come back in power for a loooooong time

Democrats will certainly be back in power sooner or later.

Just hope and pray that when that happens, it's more like Fetterman and less like Biden, Harris, and so on.

Hopefully I will be long gone by the time the Dems come into power again!
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In reply to Assassin • 6:38p, 1/7/26
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FLBear5630 said:
Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

You going to feel that way when the Dems get power back?

Hoping that we get everything fix and they dont come back in power for a loooooong time


You know that is not how it works. What is the longest run by a Party since WW2?
12 years with Reagan/Bush? One run from Eisenhower to Trump 2?
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 6:47p, 1/7/26
FLBear5630 said:
Assassin said:
FLBear5630 said:
Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

You going to feel that way when the Dems get power back?

Hoping that we get everything fix and they dont come back in power for a loooooong time


You know that is not how it works. What is the longest run by a Party since WW2?
12 years with Reagan/Bush? One run from Eisenhower to Trump 2?

There are a lot of variables, including control of Congress under various Presidents. Where foreign policy is concerned, I'd just like to get back to the days when everyone in the US government, regardless of party, considered Moscow, Beijing and Teheran to be enemies or at least don't trust them in trade deals and treaties.

Know our enemies and make sure we are united against them. No more Bushes, Clintons, Bidens or their clones.
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In reply to Porteroso • 6:59p, 1/7/26
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
Assassin said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
Porteroso said:
BearFan33 said:
whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
boognish_bear said:

Now being reported that at least 31 members of the CUBAN military were killed during the US attack in VENEZUELA.

Apparently they were maning anti aircraft weapons.

Another piece of the puzzle now comes into place.




Got to put our special forces on key points in country......within 2-5 days at the latest.

Otherwise Cuba is going to complicate matters even further.

Cuba is not in position to complicate anything. They are all of a sudden kinda idolated. Cuba got their oil from Venezuela. Iran will be no help whatsoever. Russia is rather heavily engaged. China can toss money at them, but where will Cuba get its oil (at the kind of discounted pricing it got from Venezuela)? And, of course, Cuba is loaded up with all kinds of military hardware that doesn't work very well. Not predicting collapse of the Cuban regime, but it's position just got a lot more complicated.

Just another collateral benefit of taking out Maduro......

Make Cuba Great Again just around the corner. In a few years it will be a great stop for cruise ships.

A new paradigm may be developing here. The Trump paradigm. Let economic development rebuild a country, not whatever the heck we tried to do in Iraq.

Trump will put America first!
Trump won't get us into wars!
Trump won't nation build!

.... 11 months later

Trump is going to make cruising around Central America great!
Trump is going to take whatever military action he likes!
Trump is going to rebuild Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, actually the list is ongoing!

That is a fair criticism. I would prefer the victories come from domestic wins like the SAVE act.

We will see what happens ultimately but if we get a friendly regime in Ven, Trump would have pulled off regime change on the cheap. Rebuilding costs will be shouldered by industry, not the taxpayer.

I am not automatically opposed to what happened in Venezuela. It's the running the country talk that I oppose. But ousting a dictator, opening up oil infrastructure that was basically stolen from Americans, letting Venezuela hold a fair election? Totally for it. And sure, run the country until they hold the election.

But do this in Cuba? Columbia? Where does it end? W time in Venezuela makes sense. Maybe even in Cuba. But then return power to the people. And dont keep going until we control tge Hemisphere. That is plain crazy.


Right now I think Trump is trying to push his advantage and take advantage of the uncertainty that other nation's leaders may have in him.

How many times do realtors ask some idiotic price as a starting point so they can then negotiate down to a point that is north of what the market had been. Thats his background.

I think he's expecting Cuba, Columbia and Denmark to be a bit nervous about playing hardball.

The US doesn't need Greenland but having a
L O N G T E R M agreement with multiple naval and air basses there would be a great thing

Where would you draw the line? Say he invades Greenland, flies their government to the United States, and moves our military in. Is that too far?


Yes, that's way too far. Maybe the furthest ever.

They're a fellow NATO member. You work out a deal that provides the US a naval base and multiple airbases there.

I agree. I just want Trump supporters to have some sort of moral line in the sand. He has already pushed his power way more than any other President.

And thank God for that. We got the pansy arses out of the White House and found a POTUS with some cahones.

I wasn't clear. I meant he had expanded the power of the executive, beyond what the Constitution outlines, far more than any previous President. You obviously would agree that is bad, because you aren't an anti Constitution dumbo, right?


You probably forgot Obama's bombing folks for a full year and Bush going into Panama.

What has Trump done where there is not a precedent already set by a previous administration. He may be acting on a different scale but he is not acting without precedent.

Whether you want to say Trump is scaling up the power, or expanding the power, same thing. You clearly agree but hesitate to admit to it.


He's not broken any laws and he has used a power that others before him have not already used. Is he swinging a bigger stick in bigger swaths? ABSOLUTELY.

edit: not just a bigger stick and bigger swaths but much more efficiently
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Dividends being paid
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Dividends being paid

but Porteroso said this was accomplished with "not befitting behavior" so obviously we must spurn the olive branch.
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