Minneapolis ICE shooting

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In reply to Forest Bueller III • 2:49p, 1/24/26
Forest Bueller III said:
There are mobs because there is so much inhumanity in the way Ice is handling their business.

There are mobs because they know if they get in the way enough, blow enough whistles in peoples' faces, film and threaten enough, and just generally berate the officers sufficiently, something bad will eventually happen and they can get it on camera. This is baiting. That's the gist of it.

And who do you think we hire as Ice agents? Not trying to be derogatory, but if you're in the FBI, secret service, special forces, Texas Rangers, etc., you're not applying for a job as an Ice agent. So, we've got regular, low-level LEOs having crowds of agitated and agitating protestors launched at them. What's eventually going to happen? At this point, it's just the law of numbers, even if most Ice agents are trying really hard to be good 99% of the time.
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In reply to Mitch Henessey • 2:49p, 1/24/26
Mitch Henessey said:
Oldbear83 said:
Jack Bauer said:
Oldbear83 said:
Honest eyes see idiots attacking cops with cars and guns.

Dishonest posters will also excuse Somali 'daycares' and demand law enforcement submit to violent mobs.

Show me where this guy pulled his gun on the 5 ICE cops beating him down...

Your claim, your job to prove it,

He brought a gun, no one is even denying that.

He confronted cops while carrying the gun, no one is denying that.

He had extra ammunition on him, no one is denying that.

He became violent and was shot as a result, his gun being an undeniable factor.

It's really pretty obvious for sane people.

Question: have you watched the video from the various angles that have come out? It's plainly obvious that he's been disarmed by one of the several agents beating on him, after he's been pepper sprayed and pushed to the ground. One if the agents is running away from the scene with the victim's gun before the first shot is ever fired.

BS.

Again,

He brought a gun, no one is even denying that.

He confronted cops while carrying the gun, no one is denying that.

He had extra ammunition on him, no one is denying that.

He became violent and was shot as a result, his gun being an undeniable factor.

Bring signs, not guns, to your protests and you'll be good.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:49p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Henessey said:
Oldbear83 said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Oldbear83 said:
We certainly know we cannot trust you to be truthful.

Well, this statement is a certain lie, so I will take your future statements for what they are.

It's absolutely correct, but I can understand you don't like being reminded of it.

Please don't bring weapons to protest. Just saying, your parents should have told you that long ago, but nothing good comes of bringing a gun to confront cops.

Crazy that the party glorifying the 2nd Amendment, "pry it from my cold, dead hands," wants to step in and play Big Brother in this scenario.

Maybe it's because the 2A people want law-abiding people to defend themselves against gangs and home invaders. They don't shoot cops.

Your side defends gangs, wants citizens disarmed in their homes, but sees nothing wrong with threatening, even attacking cops.
My side is the Constitution. I don't know what that makes your side.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:50p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
Honest eyes see idiots attacking cops with cars and guns.

Dishonest posters will also excuse Somali 'daycares' and demand law enforcement submit to violent mobs.


How have Trump and his cabinet been holding these daycare centers and the politicians enabling it accountable for this fraud since discovering it?

Mean tweets don't count.
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In reply to Jack Bauer • 2:51p, 1/24/26
You have to prove your claim. You have not.

And show me where bringing a gun then wrestling with cops is a protected right. You cannot.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:51p, 1/24/26
He was carrying a phone to record the officers. The gun was in the back of his belt and was removed by an officer while he was on the ground, before he was shot.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:51p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Henessey said:
Oldbear83 said:
Jack Bauer said:
Oldbear83 said:
Honest eyes see idiots attacking cops with cars and guns.

Dishonest posters will also excuse Somali 'daycares' and demand law enforcement submit to violent mobs.

Show me where this guy pulled his gun on the 5 ICE cops beating him down...

Your claim, your job to prove it,

He brought a gun, no one is even denying that.

He confronted cops while carrying the gun, no one is denying that.

He had extra ammunition on him, no one is denying that.

He became violent and was shot as a result, his gun being an undeniable factor.

It's really pretty obvious for sane people.

Question: have you watched the video from the various angles that have come out? It's plainly obvious that he's been disarmed by one of the several agents beating on him, after he's been pepper sprayed and pushed to the ground. One if the agents is running away from the scene with the victim's gun before the first shot is ever fired.

BS.

Again,

He brought a gun, no one is even denying that.

He confronted cops while carrying the gun, no one is denying that.

He had extra ammunition on him, no one is denying that.

He became violent and was shot as a result, his gun being an undeniable factor.

Bring signs, not guns, to your protests and you'll be good.
If stepping between an ICE agent who had just violently thrown a woman to the ground is "getting violent" to you, I don't know what to tell you. You're so desperate to lick law enforcement boots that you'll deny clear visual evidence of what happened. This was heinous.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 2:52p, 1/24/26
boognish_bear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Honest eyes see idiots attacking cops with cars and guns.

Dishonest posters will also excuse Somali 'daycares' and demand law enforcement submit to violent mobs.


How have Trump and his cabinet been holding these daycare centers and the politicians enabling it accountable for this fraud since discovering it?

Mean tweets don't count.

Ironically, the DOJ is proceeding according to law.

If he were really the tyrant you pretend, key crooks would have been rounded up by now.

But because he follows the law, you devolve to pretending he's doing nothing.
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In reply to Mitch Henessey • 2:53p, 1/24/26
As expected, nothing but lies from you.

Don't attack cops doing their job. It's not that hard.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 2:53p, 1/24/26
Sam Lowry said:
He was carrying a phone to record the officers. The gun was in the back of his belt and was removed by an officer while he was on the ground, before he was shot.

He brought a gun and attacked cops.

A camera does not make that legal, safe, or wise.

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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:54p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
Jack Bauer said:
Oldbear83 said:
Honest eyes see idiots attacking cops with cars and guns.

Dishonest posters will also excuse Somali 'daycares' and demand law enforcement submit to violent mobs.

Show me where this guy pulled his gun on the 5 ICE cops beating him down...

Your claim, your job to prove it,

He brought a gun, no one is even denying that.

He confronted cops while carrying the gun, no one is denying that.

He had extra ammunition on him, no one is denying that.

He became violent and was shot as a result, his gun being an undeniable factor.

It's really pretty obvious for sane people.

The videos that ive seen, i see no gun (obviously not denying he had one, but he wasnt brandishing it around or pointing it at anyone, i dont think he he even had it in his hands, he was by all accounts a licensed Gun owner) when he was shot, he had both hands on the ground and no gun to be seen.

He was resisting arrest, sure, it looked, to me, like he was trying to help one of his companions who was also being arrested and then ICE decided to arrest him too. Nothing he did warranted being shot 10 times. In the videos ive seen, there was no cry of "hes got a gun" or any communication like that to imply that this guy had drawn his weapon. I dont know if the person who shot him just saw a holstered Gun and opened up or something like that, but either way, its yet another gross escalation of force committed by ICE even less excusable than the first killing they committed
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In reply to Mitch Henessey • 2:55p, 1/24/26
Mitch Henessey said:
Oldbear83 said:
Mitch Henessey said:
Oldbear83 said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Oldbear83 said:
We certainly know we cannot trust you to be truthful.

Well, this statement is a certain lie, so I will take your future statements for what they are.

It's absolutely correct, but I can understand you don't like being reminded of it.

Please don't bring weapons to protest. Just saying, your parents should have told you that long ago, but nothing good comes of bringing a gun to confront cops.

Crazy that the party glorifying the 2nd Amendment, "pry it from my cold, dead hands," wants to step in and play Big Brother in this scenario.

Maybe it's because the 2A people want law-abiding people to defend themselves against gangs and home invaders. They don't shoot cops.

Your side defends gangs, wants citizens disarmed in their homes, but sees nothing wrong with threatening, even attacking cops.

My side is the Constitution. I don't know what that makes your side.

Dude, whatever twisted idea you have in your head does not mean violent attacks on cops doing their job is protected speech under 1A, and carrying a gun to attack cops is not protected under 2A.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:55p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
boognish_bear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Honest eyes see idiots attacking cops with cars and guns.

Dishonest posters will also excuse Somali 'daycares' and demand law enforcement submit to violent mobs.


How have Trump and his cabinet been holding these daycare centers and the politicians enabling it accountable for this fraud since discovering it?

Mean tweets don't count.

Ironically, the DOJ is proceeding according to law.

If he were really the tyrant you pretend, key crooks would have been rounded up by now.

But because he follows the law, you devolve to pretending he's doing nothing.


Guess he will get to it after he locks up Hillary and Barack.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:56p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
Sam Lowry said:
He was carrying a phone to record the officers. The gun was in the back of his belt and was removed by an officer while he was on the ground, before he was shot.

He brought a gun and attacked cops.

A camera does not make that legal, safe, or wise.

Attacked them how? Was he posting mean tweets with his phone?
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:56p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
You have to prove your claim. You have not.

And show me where bringing a gun then wrestling with cops is a protected right. You cannot.


SIGH - I claim you are a child pedo, prove your innocence or else you must be guilty!

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In reply to boognish_bear • 2:57p, 1/24/26
boognish_bear said:
Oldbear83 said:
boognish_bear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Honest eyes see idiots attacking cops with cars and guns.

Dishonest posters will also excuse Somali 'daycares' and demand law enforcement submit to violent mobs.


How have Trump and his cabinet been holding these daycare centers and the politicians enabling it accountable for this fraud since discovering it?

Mean tweets don't count.

Ironically, the DOJ is proceeding according to law.

If he were really the tyrant you pretend, key crooks would have been rounded up by now.

But because he follows the law, you devolve to pretending he's doing nothing.


Guess he will get to it after he locks up Hillary and Barack.

Again, it's that pesky adherence to law you seem to find irritating.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:57p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
As expected, nothing but lies from you.

Don't attack cops doing their job. It's not that hard.
Stepping between sometime pushing a woman down is "attack[ing] a cop??" You're something else, man
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In reply to Jack Bauer • 2:58p, 1/24/26
Jack Bauer said:
Oldbear83 said:
You have to prove your claim. You have not.

And show me where bringing a gun then wrestling with cops is a protected right. You cannot.


SIGH - I claim you are a child pedo, prove your innocence or else you must be guilty!


Again, when you make a claim, it's on you to prove it.

Sorry your ANTIFA tutors didn't cover that.
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In reply to Mitch Henessey • 2:58p, 1/24/26
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Oldbear83 said:
As expected, nothing but lies from you.

Don't attack cops doing their job. It's not that hard.

I hope my brain never becomes as calcified as yours clearly is.

My brain is fine.

Hope you don't attack the cops near you, they are just trying to keep everyone safe during the ice storm.

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3:00p, 1/24/26
Looks like at 1:00 when the guy in the black hat shoots the victim perhaps right after the guy in the grey had disarmed him and was going to the car..

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In reply to Sam Lowry • 3:00p, 1/24/26
Sam Lowry said:
Oldbear83 said:
Sam Lowry said:
He was carrying a phone to record the officers. The gun was in the back of his belt and was removed by an officer while he was on the ground, before he was shot.

He brought a gun and attacked cops.

A camera does not make that legal, safe, or wise.


Attacked them how? Was he posting mean tweets with his phone?

You saying the cops attacked him at home or far away from where the cops were doing their job?

You run up on cops doing their while carrying a gun, its on you.
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In reply to Mitch Henessey • 3:02p, 1/24/26
Mitch Henessey said:
Oldbear83 said:
As expected, nothing but lies from you.

Don't attack cops doing their job. It's not that hard.

Stepping between sometime pushing a woman down is "attack[ing] a cop??" You're something else, man

He brought a gun and attacked law enforcement.

You can spin all you want, does not change either of those facts.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 3:02p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Oldbear83 said:
Sam Lowry said:
He was carrying a phone to record the officers. The gun was in the back of his belt and was removed by an officer while he was on the ground, before he was shot.

He brought a gun and attacked cops.

A camera does not make that legal, safe, or wise.


Attacked them how? Was he posting mean tweets with his phone?

You saying the cops attacked him at home or far away from where the cops were doing their job?

You run up on cops doing their while carrying a gun, its on you.

define "run up on" cops???!!!
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 3:04p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
Sam Lowry said:
Oldbear83 said:
Sam Lowry said:
He was carrying a phone to record the officers. The gun was in the back of his belt and was removed by an officer while he was on the ground, before he was shot.

He brought a gun and attacked cops.

A camera does not make that legal, safe, or wise.


Attacked them how? Was he posting mean tweets with his phone?

You saying the cops attacked him at home or far away from where the cops were doing their job?

You run up on cops doing their while carrying a gun, its on you.
First the masked gestapo came for immigrants, and I said nothing, for I was not an immigrant. When they came for women attempting to drive away from a protest, I said nothing for I am not a woman. When they came for white men legally carrying in the street, I did nothing because I do not attend protests. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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3:05p, 1/24/26
let's be honest, this just goes to show that you barely need a HS level education to be an ICE agent. These are not the most stable individuals if they can't handle 60 year old women yelling at them.
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In reply to Jack Bauer • 3:06p, 1/24/26
Jack Bauer said:
Oldbear83 said:
Jack Bauer said:
Oldbear83 said:
Honest eyes see idiots attacking cops with cars and guns.

Dishonest posters will also excuse Somali 'daycares' and demand law enforcement submit to violent mobs.

Show me where this guy pulled his gun on the 5 ICE cops beating him down...

Your claim, your job to prove it,

He brought a gun, no one is even denying that.

He confronted cops while carrying the gun, no one is denying that.

He had extra ammunition on him, no one is denying that.

He became violent and was shot as a result, his gun being an undeniable factor.

It's really pretty obvious for sane people.

I have to prove his innocence? i don't think that's how the law works.

Show me where he pulled the gun to deserve being shot?

You can't reason with a true believer.

I didn't see him pull his gun,or go for his gun.
I did see someone pull something off of his belt and run away moments before the shots were fired.
I did see him getting the hell beaten out of him.

I hope a fair investigation will be held.
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In reply to Forest Bueller III • 3:08p, 1/24/26
Forest Bueller III said:
Jack Bauer said:
Oldbear83 said:
Jack Bauer said:
Oldbear83 said:
Honest eyes see idiots attacking cops with cars and guns.

Dishonest posters will also excuse Somali 'daycares' and demand law enforcement submit to violent mobs.

Show me where this guy pulled his gun on the 5 ICE cops beating him down...

Your claim, your job to prove it,

He brought a gun, no one is even denying that.

He confronted cops while carrying the gun, no one is denying that.

He had extra ammunition on him, no one is denying that.

He became violent and was shot as a result, his gun being an undeniable factor.

It's really pretty obvious for sane people.

I have to prove his innocence? i don't think that's how the law works.

Show me where he pulled the gun to deserve being shot?

You can't reason with a true believer.

I didn't see him pull his gun,or go for his gun.
I did see someone pull something off of his belt and run away moments before the shots were fired.
I did see him getting the hell beaten out of him.

I hope a fair investigation will be held.
I hope so, too. Nothing I have seen from this administration makes me think any of this will ever see the light of day, however.
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In reply to Mitch Henessey • 3:08p, 1/24/26
Ahh, resorting to the 'gestapo' lie.

Sad, actually.
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3:08p, 1/24/26
If you do not interfere and cooperate with law enforcement, you don't get shot.

It's really that simple.

If you want to protest, no matter how insane or extreme your cause/ religion is, stay your ass on the sidelines and out of the game.

Then we don't have this tragic **** happen.
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3:11p, 1/24/26
This is a great view.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/SM3zuq1xmu
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 3:11p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
Ahh, resorting to the 'gestapo' lie.

Sad, actually.
Why won't they show their faces? Why won't they show identification? Why won't they obtain warrants? Why won't they give detainees due process? The cruelty is the point, here. If you can't see that, it's because you're willfully ignoring it. Or worse...
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 3:13p, 1/24/26
Oldbear83 said:
Sam Lowry said:
He was carrying a phone to record the officers. The gun was in the back of his belt and was removed by an officer while he was on the ground, before he was shot.

He brought a gun and attacked cops.

A camera does not make that legal, safe, or wise.



The left isn't going to care about minor details like this. They will blame ICE and Trump. They will bring in Jack Smith and prosecute.
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In reply to Forest Bueller III • 3:15p, 1/24/26
Forest Bueller III said:
Jack Bauer said:
Oldbear83 said:
Jack Bauer said:
Oldbear83 said:
Honest eyes see idiots attacking cops with cars and guns.

Dishonest posters will also excuse Somali 'daycares' and demand law enforcement submit to violent mobs.

Show me where this guy pulled his gun on the 5 ICE cops beating him down...

Your claim, your job to prove it,

He brought a gun, no one is even denying that.

He confronted cops while carrying the gun, no one is denying that.

He had extra ammunition on him, no one is denying that.

He became violent and was shot as a result, his gun being an undeniable factor.

It's really pretty obvious for sane people.

I have to prove his innocence? i don't think that's how the law works.

Show me where he pulled the gun to deserve being shot?

You can't reason with a true believer.

I didn't see him pull his gun,or go for his gun.
I did see someone pull something off of his belt and run away moments before the shots were fired.
I did see him getting the hell beaten out of him.

I hope a fair investigation will be held.


My observation:
  • The guy is filming ICE
  • He stands in the street for a moment but does not impede ICE
  • He goes to comfort one woman who ICE had apparently assaulted, then the other woman that ICE pushed to the ground.
  • He gets pepper sprayed and puts his hand up to deflect it.
  • He tried to help the woman up off the ground.
  • As he is trying to help her up, ICE grabs him, he falls down. 3 ICE agents fall on top of him while slipping on the ice. Everybody in a scrum on the ground
  • Guy in black hat sees/hears gun and shoots victim a few seconds before the guy in the grey had disarmed him and was taking it to the car.
    • Whether when/if he pulled the gun will have to be a more detailed investigation.
    But I see no reason why the pepper sprayed him and should have just told him to stay on the sidewalk.
    Sadly the two women got ICE all riled up and they lost their temper and took it out on this guy.
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In reply to ScottS • 3:15p, 1/24/26
ScottS said:
Oldbear83 said:
Sam Lowry said:
He was carrying a phone to record the officers. The gun was in the back of his belt and was removed by an officer while he was on the ground, before he was shot.

He brought a gun and attacked cops.

A camera does not make that legal, safe, or wise.



The left isn't going to care about minor details like this. They will blame ICE and Trump. They will bring in Jack Smith and prosecute.


The problem with this? The video doesn't support what you're saying.
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In reply to ScottS • 3:15p, 1/24/26
ScottS said:
Oldbear83 said:
Sam Lowry said:
He was carrying a phone to record the officers. The gun was in the back of his belt and was removed by an officer while he was on the ground, before he was shot.

He brought a gun and attacked cops.

A camera does not make that legal, safe, or wise.



The left isn't going to care about minor details like this. They will blame ICE and Trump. They will bring in Jack Smith and prosecute.

Where did he attack the cops?
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