Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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All this garbage about targeting criminals is propaganda.

They're trying to meet quotas and going after low-hanging fruit.

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The illegals are all criminals. That should help rid you of your confusion.

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100% predictable motte-and-bailey maneuver.

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It's simply the facts. Now had the comment been about going after VIOLENT criminals first, the point would have been reasonable, but not quite because we never said non-violent illegals could stay. We voted for ALL illegals gone and to start with the violent criminals first. You idiots try to say that meant we voted to ONLY go after violent criminal illegals. Thats on you and your imagination.

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Well, they're not starting with the violent
criminals first.

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Other than the thousands already arrested, right? The entirety of your knowledge of this topic could be summed up in a middle aged leftist woman's protest sign.

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Forest already explained it, but I suppose he's a degenerate communist just like anyone else who questions The Leader.

Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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All this garbage about targeting criminals is propaganda.

They're trying to meet quotas and going after low-hanging fruit.

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The illegals are all criminals. That should help rid you of your confusion.

---

100% predictable motte-and-bailey maneuver.

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It's simply the facts. Now had the comment been about going after VIOLENT criminals first, the point would have been reasonable, but not quite because we never said non-violent illegals could stay. We voted for ALL illegals gone and to start with the violent criminals first. You idiots try to say that meant we voted to ONLY go after violent criminal illegals. Thats on you and your imagination.

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Well, they're not starting with the violent
criminals first.

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Other than the thousands already arrested, right? The entirety of your knowledge of this topic could be summed up in a middle aged leftist woman's protest sign.

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Forest already explained it, but I suppose he's a degenerate communist just like anyone else who criticizes The Leader.

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Forrest's explanation was lacking in both facts and reason. It's no wonder you identify with it.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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All this garbage about targeting criminals is propaganda.

They're trying to meet quotas and going after low-hanging fruit.

---

The illegals are all criminals. That should help rid you of your confusion.

---

100% predictable motte-and-bailey maneuver.

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It's simply the facts. Now had the comment been about going after VIOLENT criminals first, the point would have been reasonable, but not quite because we never said non-violent illegals could stay. We voted for ALL illegals gone and to start with the violent criminals first. You idiots try to say that meant we voted to ONLY go after violent criminal illegals. Thats on you and your imagination.

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Well, they're not starting with the violent
criminals first.

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Other than the thousands already arrested, right? The entirety of your knowledge of this topic could be summed up in a middle aged leftist woman's protest sign.

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Forest already explained it, but I suppose he's a degenerate communist just like anyone else who criticizes The Leader.

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Forrest's explanation was lacking in both facts and reason. It's no wonder you identify with it.

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The fact is that ICE agents themselves have complained about the skewed priorities. The push for bigger and bigger numbers means that more violent criminals remain at large. You literally want murderers and rapists to go free.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I am still trying to figure out why LWNJs are apoplectic about arresting pedophiles and rapists. It's odd where they find their outrage.

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I can't get where you guys get this stuff. I have not read one person question the deportation of criminal violent criminals.

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Literally every ******* out interfering with ICE is against deporting pedophiles and rapists and they'll excuse their actions by pointing out that we have citizen rapists and child molesters already so we should not get upset that they are protecting the illegal ones.

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THAT IS A HUGE JUMP.

How about trying it for a while and see how it goes? Pivot from waitresses, 5 year old kids and tear gassing crowds to actually targeting violent criminals. We have seen how the former has worked...

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You and your ilk would and have screamed and protested exactly the same for illegals with kids as you have for illegals who rape and traffic kids. We have SEEN IT WITH OUR OWN EYES! You stupid *******s don't know anything about who is being arrested or why, you just get your whistles and bullhorns and then attack with your cars.

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Keep grasping at straws. If that gives you peace believing it, have at it. Keep your delusion alive.

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It's literally on video, window licker. Multiple examples of you idiots out interfering with law enforcement who is trying to arrest child molesters. Remember how you whined and cried over the Cuban that died in custody from homicide? Yeah, a convicted child rapist. There are multiple videos out there of you idiots being told that a child rapist was being arrested and you still blew your whistles and blocked ICE. You prefer child rapist over a Republican administration.

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Specifics, sheep... Who? What Cuban are you talking about. Calm down, deep breath. Go ask your MAGA handler for specifics. Then we can have a conversation.

The only Cuban I know of was a 75 year old in Florida that was in jail for possession. He died. Apparently, there are a lot of people dying in custody. You sure this makes your point?

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No, the off topic incident you mention does not make my point. Neither does the Mike Brown case, Watergate case nor the case of Jack the Ripper. You're determined not to understand the conversation so I'll make it as simple as possible for you to grasp. Not one of the people out interfering with ICE operations knows the specifics about the target of ICE they are interfering with at that moment. Thousands of pedophiles, rapists and murderers have been caught by ICE.
That means you idiots are out harassing law enforcement who are in the process of arresting child rapists. It's no leap in logic. It's not a stretch of the imagination. IT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND KEEPS HAPPENING.

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Yes, THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

Killing protestors in the street, killing people in custody, shutting down Cities, terrorizing communities that is what they are NOT SUPPOSED TO DO.

People dying in your custody is a BAD THING. Shooting people in the streets is a BAD THING. Get it...

By the way, " Thousands of pedophiles, rapists and murderers have been caught by ICE. That means you idiots are out harassing law enforcement who are in the process of arresting child rapists." that is a logical fallacy.
That means you idiots are out harassing law enforcement who are in the process of arresting child rapists.

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Interfering with law enforcement as they try to arrest pedophiles and murderers is exactly what you idiots are doing, even if you tell yourself you're just cheering on Jose from the taco stand. No, you dumb twats are not supposed to be interfering and assaulting law enforcement. No, interference with law enforcement is not protesting, it's a CRIME. Attacking officers will get you killed. Raping children will get you arrested. You scum are on the wrong side of history here because you're literally, LITERALLY out fighting law enforcement and protecting pedophiles rapists and murderers.

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NO, that is what you don't get. ICE is not law enforcement. The Police are law enforcement, State Troopers are law enforcement, FBI is law enforcement, US Marshalls are law enforcement. ICE is immigration.

ICE is not defending the Nation from pedophiles, the Police are. The Police catch them and if they are illegals, ICE deports them. ICE is not setting up raids on drug rings. DEA and Police raid Drug Rings. IF they are illegal. ICE only throws them out of the Country, if they survive ICE custody,

Also, you forget (if you knew in the first place) all these agencies are bonded, given a badge and a gun then sent out into the civilian communities. They have a higher standard of conduct for that privilege. It is on the Badged and Armed law enforcement to ensure situations are safe and that they are acting correctly. That comes with the badge and gun. You seem to forget that and think it is the populations job to accommodate the Police.

Not very Liberty minded position, you could actually call it tyranny...

Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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All this garbage about targeting criminals is propaganda.

They're trying to meet quotas and going after low-hanging fruit.

---

The illegals are all criminals. That should help rid you of your confusion.

---

100% predictable motte-and-bailey maneuver.

---

It's simply the facts. Now had the comment been about going after VIOLENT criminals first, the point would have been reasonable, but not quite because we never said non-violent illegals could stay. We voted for ALL illegals gone and to start with the violent criminals first. You idiots try to say that meant we voted to ONLY go after violent criminal illegals. Thats on you and your imagination.

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Well, they're not starting with the violent
criminals first.

---

Other than the thousands already arrested, right? The entirety of your knowledge of this topic could be summed up in a middle aged leftist woman's protest sign.

---

Forest already explained it, but I suppose he's a degenerate communist just like anyone else who criticizes The Leader.

---

Forrest's explanation was lacking in both facts and reason. It's no wonder you identify with it.

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The fact is that ICE agents themselves have complained about the skewed priorities. The push for bigger and bigger numbers means that more violent criminals remain at large. You literally want murderers and rapists to go free.

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Yeah, I must want rapists and murders to go free since I have a problem with you democrats assaulting law enforcement and trying to prevent them from arresting murderers and rapists.

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I am still trying to figure out why LWNJs are apoplectic about arresting pedophiles and rapists. It's odd where they find their outrage.

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I can't get where you guys get this stuff. I have not read one person question the deportation of criminal violent criminals.

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Literally every ******* out interfering with ICE is against deporting pedophiles and rapists and they'll excuse their actions by pointing out that we have citizen rapists and child molesters already so we should not get upset that they are protecting the illegal ones.

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THAT IS A HUGE JUMP.

How about trying it for a while and see how it goes? Pivot from waitresses, 5 year old kids and tear gassing crowds to actually targeting violent criminals. We have seen how the former has worked...

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You and your ilk would and have screamed and protested exactly the same for illegals with kids as you have for illegals who rape and traffic kids. We have SEEN IT WITH OUR OWN EYES! You stupid *******s don't know anything about who is being arrested or why, you just get your whistles and bullhorns and then attack with your cars.

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Keep grasping at straws. If that gives you peace believing it, have at it. Keep your delusion alive.

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It's literally on video, window licker. Multiple examples of you idiots out interfering with law enforcement who is trying to arrest child molesters. Remember how you whined and cried over the Cuban that died in custody from homicide? Yeah, a convicted child rapist. There are multiple videos out there of you idiots being told that a child rapist was being arrested and you still blew your whistles and blocked ICE. You prefer child rapist over a Republican administration.

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Specifics, sheep... Who? What Cuban are you talking about. Calm down, deep breath. Go ask your MAGA handler for specifics. Then we can have a conversation.

The only Cuban I know of was a 75 year old in Florida that was in jail for possession. He died. Apparently, there are a lot of people dying in custody. You sure this makes your point?

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No, the off topic incident you mention does not make my point. Neither does the Mike Brown case, Watergate case nor the case of Jack the Ripper. You're determined not to understand the conversation so I'll make it as simple as possible for you to grasp. Not one of the people out interfering with ICE operations knows the specifics about the target of ICE they are interfering with at that moment. Thousands of pedophiles, rapists and murderers have been caught by ICE.
That means you idiots are out harassing law enforcement who are in the process of arresting child rapists. It's no leap in logic. It's not a stretch of the imagination. IT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND KEEPS HAPPENING.

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Yes, THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

Killing protestors in the street, killing people in custody, shutting down Cities, terrorizing communities that is what they are NOT SUPPOSED TO DO.

People dying in your custody is a BAD THING. Shooting people in the streets is a BAD THING. Get it...

By the way, " Thousands of pedophiles, rapists and murderers have been caught by ICE. That means you idiots are out harassing law enforcement who are in the process of arresting child rapists." that is a logical fallacy.
That means you idiots are out harassing law enforcement who are in the process of arresting child rapists.

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Interfering with law enforcement as they try to arrest pedophiles and murderers is exactly what you idiots are doing, even if you tell yourself you're just cheering on Jose from the taco stand. No, you dumb twats are not supposed to be interfering and assaulting law enforcement. No, interference with law enforcement is not protesting, it's a CRIME. Attacking officers will get you killed. Raping children will get you arrested. You scum are on the wrong side of history here because you're literally, LITERALLY out fighting law enforcement and protecting pedophiles rapists and murderers.

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NO, that is what you don't get. ICE is not law enforcement. The Police are law enforcement, State Troopers are law enforcement, FBI is law enforcement, US Marshalls are law enforcement. ICE is immigration.

ICE is not defending the Nation from pedophiles, the Police are. The Police catch them and if they are illegals, ICE deports them. ICE is not setting up raids on drug rings. DEA and Police raid Drug Rings. IF they are illegal. ICE only throws them out of the Country, if they survive ICE custody,

Also, you forget (if you knew in the first place) all these agencies are bonded, given a badge and a gun then sent out into the civilian communities. They have a higher standard of conduct for that privilege. It is on the Badged and Armed law enforcement to ensure situations are safe and that they are acting correctly. That comes with the badge and gun. You seem to forget that and think it is the populations job to accommodate the Police.

Not very Liberty minded position, you could actually call it tyranny...

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Enforcement of immigration law by immigration and customs enforcement agents is not law enforcement?

Edit; my favorite part of your delusional post is when you said local police hold illegals for ICE, as if their lack of cooperation isn't widely known and a point of pride among you democrats.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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All this garbage about targeting criminals is propaganda.

They're trying to meet quotas and going after low-hanging fruit.

---

The illegals are all criminals. That should help rid you of your confusion.

---

100% predictable motte-and-bailey maneuver.

---

It's simply the facts. Now had the comment been about going after VIOLENT criminals first, the point would have been reasonable, but not quite because we never said non-violent illegals could stay. We voted for ALL illegals gone and to start with the violent criminals first. You idiots try to say that meant we voted to ONLY go after violent criminal illegals. Thats on you and your imagination.

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Well, they're not starting with the violent
criminals first.

---

Other than the thousands already arrested, right? The entirety of your knowledge of this topic could be summed up in a middle aged leftist woman's protest sign.

---

Forest already explained it, but I suppose he's a degenerate communist just like anyone else who criticizes The Leader.

---

Forrest's explanation was lacking in both facts and reason. It's no wonder you identify with it.

---

The fact is that ICE agents themselves have complained about the skewed priorities. The push for bigger and bigger numbers means that more violent criminals remain at large. You literally want murderers and rapists to go free.

---

Yeah, I must want rapists and murders to go free since I have a problem with you democrats assaulting law enforcement and trying to prevent them from arresting murderers and rapists.

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Free??? ICE does not play a role in that, Police do. ICE has nothing to do with letting pedophiles or rapist go free. They just toss them out of the Country after Police catch them. You are seriously confused. Pedophilia, Rape, assault are criminal. ICE is administrative, that is why an ICE warrant is not good enough to go in the house. Get it.

A lot of the ICE guys have 47 days training, they are not trained for what you are saying is law enforcement. Many of the Border guys have never worked in the interior of the US they have been at the border and ports of entry. It is not their fault but the mission creep is creating these issues. That is why Homan is saying we are getting back to the core mission of deporting bad guys and that Walz said they can have access to the jails. We don't want ICE doing traditional Police work.

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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All this garbage about targeting criminals is propaganda.

They're trying to meet quotas and going after low-hanging fruit.

---

The illegals are all criminals. That should help rid you of your confusion.

---

100% predictable motte-and-bailey maneuver.

---

It's simply the facts. Now had the comment been about going after VIOLENT criminals first, the point would have been reasonable, but not quite because we never said non-violent illegals could stay. We voted for ALL illegals gone and to start with the violent criminals first. You idiots try to say that meant we voted to ONLY go after violent criminal illegals. Thats on you and your imagination.

---

Well, they're not starting with the violent
criminals first.

---

Other than the thousands already arrested, right? The entirety of your knowledge of this topic could be summed up in a middle aged leftist woman's protest sign.

---

Forest already explained it, but I suppose he's a degenerate communist just like anyone else who criticizes The Leader.

---

Forrest's explanation was lacking in both facts and reason. It's no wonder you identify with it.

---

The fact is that ICE agents themselves have complained about the skewed priorities. The push for bigger and bigger numbers means that more violent criminals remain at large. You literally want murderers and rapists to go free.

---

Yeah, I must want rapists and murders to go free since I have a problem with you democrats assaulting law enforcement and trying to prevent them from arresting murderers and rapists.

---

Free??? ICE does not play a role in that, Police do. ICE has nothing to do with letting pedophiles or rapist go free. They just toss them out of the Country after Police catch them. You are seriously confused. Pedophilia, Rape, assault are criminal. ICE is administrative, that is why an ICE warrant is not good enough to go in the house. Get it.

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Oh right, because no illegals ever commit rape, pedophilia, assault or murder, and all those thousands of reported arrests of such illegal alien criminals was just made up by the Trump administration. Incredible

Wangchung said:

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cms186 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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All this garbage about targeting criminals is propaganda.

They're trying to meet quotas and going after low-hanging fruit.

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The illegals are all criminals. That should help rid you of your confusion.

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and what about the non-illegals they are arresting and chucking in detention for no reason at all? what about arresting parents at school pickups and tear gassing pre-schoolers? sure, all illegal immigrants are criminals, but the vast majority of them are still hard working people, ICE should be targeting and prioritising violent criminals, not just causing Chaos and fear in Cities that Trump doesnt like.

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The good news is that isn't happening. Hope this helps!

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no? so i imagined that young kid with the funny blue hat and his Dad being arrested whilst walking home and now both have been released with no charge?

this video of kids (amongst others) being tear gassed on a memorial bike ride, Parents being arrested at School Dropoffs and ICE Teargassing a pre-school are ALL fake? thank goodness!

This is indefensible.

During an Alex Pretti memorial bike ride in SW Portland, federal agents deployed tear gas as children were present.

Video shows a child believed to be around 7 years old fleeing the gas.

This is what “law enforcement” looks like now.

U.S. Immigration and… pic.twitter.com/PvJuyUSn1w

— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) February 1, 2026

ICE seen detaining parents and guardians at schools during pick-up times pic.twitter.com/xZdWIX2bRF

— Ounka (@OunkaOnX) January 31, 2026

“This is a preschool! There are kids here!”

Video shows ICE agents deploying tear gas outside a Minneapolis preschool. This has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. This must stop now!
pic.twitter.com/CbZ3hH5XPD

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) January 27, 2026

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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All this garbage about targeting criminals is propaganda.

They're trying to meet quotas and going after low-hanging fruit.

---

The illegals are all criminals. That should help rid you of your confusion.

---

100% predictable motte-and-bailey maneuver.

---

It's simply the facts. Now had the comment been about going after VIOLENT criminals first, the point would have been reasonable, but not quite because we never said non-violent illegals could stay. We voted for ALL illegals gone and to start with the violent criminals first. You idiots try to say that meant we voted to ONLY go after violent criminal illegals. Thats on you and your imagination.

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Well, they're not starting with the violent
criminals first.

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Other than the thousands already arrested, right? The entirety of your knowledge of this topic could be summed up in a middle aged leftist woman's protest sign.

---

Forest already explained it, but I suppose he's a degenerate communist just like anyone else who criticizes The Leader.

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Forrest's explanation was lacking in both facts and reason. It's no wonder you identify with it.

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The fact is that ICE agents themselves have complained about the skewed priorities. The push for bigger and bigger numbers means that more violent criminals remain at large. You literally want murderers and rapists to go free.

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Yeah, I must want rapists and murders to go free since I have a problem with you democrats assaulting law enforcement and trying to prevent them from arresting murderers and rapists.

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Free??? ICE does not play a role in that, Police do. ICE has nothing to do with letting pedophiles or rapist go free. They just toss them out of the Country after Police catch them. You are seriously confused. Pedophilia, Rape, assault are criminal. ICE is administrative, that is why an ICE warrant is not good enough to go in the house. Get it.

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Oh right, because no illegals ever commit rape, pedophilia, assault or murder, and all those thousands of reported arrests of such illegal alien criminals was just made up by the Trump administration. Incredible

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What are you talking about?

Illegals commit crimes and when they are caught, tried and hopefully deported. ICE does not investigate drug rings or felonies, they only go when there is an illegal identified, they detain them and enter them in the process to be deported. That is their job. If their is an outstanding warrant, then they contact the Police OR work with them before. They are Immigration and Customs, that is not the same as the FBI or US Marshalls. They all have their job. A State Wildlife Officer is more law enforcement than ICE.

This over reaction is fairly well documented.

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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All this garbage about targeting criminals is propaganda.

They're trying to meet quotas and going after low-hanging fruit.

---

The illegals are all criminals. That should help rid you of your confusion.

---

100% predictable motte-and-bailey maneuver.

---

It's simply the facts. Now had the comment been about going after VIOLENT criminals first, the point would have been reasonable, but not quite because we never said non-violent illegals could stay. We voted for ALL illegals gone and to start with the violent criminals first. You idiots try to say that meant we voted to ONLY go after violent criminal illegals. Thats on you and your imagination.

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Well, they're not starting with the violent
criminals first.

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Other than the thousands already arrested, right? The entirety of your knowledge of this topic could be summed up in a middle aged leftist woman's protest sign.

---

Forest already explained it, but I suppose he's a degenerate communist just like anyone else who criticizes The Leader.

---

Forrest's explanation was lacking in both facts and reason. It's no wonder you identify with it.

---

The fact is that ICE agents themselves have complained about the skewed priorities. The push for bigger and bigger numbers means that more violent criminals remain at large. You literally want murderers and rapists to go free.

---

Yeah, I must want rapists and murders to go free since I have a problem with you democrats assaulting law enforcement and trying to prevent them from arresting murderers and rapists.

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Free??? ICE does not play a role in that, Police do. ICE has nothing to do with letting pedophiles or rapist go free. They just toss them out of the Country after Police catch them. You are seriously confused. Pedophilia, Rape, assault are criminal. ICE is administrative, that is why an ICE warrant is not good enough to go in the house. Get it.

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Oh right, because no illegals ever commit rape, pedophilia, assault or murder, and all those thousands of reported arrests of such illegal alien criminals was just made up by the Trump administration. Incredible

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What are you talking about?

Illegals commit crimes and when they are caught, tried and hopefully deported. ICE does not investigate drug rings or felonies, they only go when there is an illegal identified, they detain them and enter them in the process to be deported. That is their job. If there is an outstanding warrant, then they contact the Police OR work with them before. They are Immigration and Customs, that is not the same as the FBI or US Marshalls. They all have their job. A State Wildlife Officer is more law enforcement than ICE.

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By your logic ICE CANT focus on violent criminals, because they aren't allowed to take their other crimes into account when choosing which illegal alien to catch and deport first. That's moronic. Stop pretending blue states and cities aren't refusing to cooperate with ice.

cms186 said:

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Wangchung said:

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cms186 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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All this garbage about targeting criminals is propaganda.

They're trying to meet quotas and going after low-hanging fruit.

---

The illegals are all criminals. That should help rid you of your confusion.

---

and what about the non-illegals they are arresting and chucking in detention for no reason at all? what about arresting parents at school pickups and tear gassing pre-schoolers? sure, all illegal immigrants are criminals, but the vast majority of them are still hard working people, ICE should be targeting and prioritising violent criminals, not just causing Chaos and fear in Cities that Trump doesnt like.

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The good news is that isn't happening. Hope this helps!

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no? so i imagined that young kid with the funny blue hat and his Dad being arrested whilst walking home and now both have been released with no charge?

this video of kids (amongst others) being tear gassed on a memorial bike ride, Parents being arrested at School Dropoffs and ICE Teargassing a pre-school are ALL fake? thank goodness!

This is indefensible.

During an Alex Pretti memorial bike ride in SW Portland, federal agents deployed tear gas as children were present.

Video shows a child believed to be around 7 years old fleeing the gas.

This is what “law enforcement” looks like now.

U.S. Immigration and… pic.twitter.com/PvJuyUSn1w

— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) February 1, 2026

ICE seen detaining parents and guardians at schools during pick-up times pic.twitter.com/xZdWIX2bRF

— Ounka (@OunkaOnX) January 31, 2026

“This is a preschool! There are kids here!”

Video shows ICE agents deploying tear gas outside a Minneapolis preschool. This has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. This must stop now!
pic.twitter.com/CbZ3hH5XPD

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) January 27, 2026

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reacting to violent democrats that are being violent near schools isn't the evidence you believe it to be. That little boy you're pretending to care about was ABANDONED by his father in effort to escape and the mother refused to take him from ICE. All your little situations that lack context and come from the known liars of the left in no way justify open borders, allowing violent democrats to dictate law enforcement nor blaming ICE for the consequences violent leftists are seeing for being violent.

I am genuinely fascinated by why the TDSers are uniquely obsessed with this story and the associated hysteria and disinformation. So much love for pedophiles and rapists ... just odd. You guys are like chimps throwing the same **** for five threads.

Forest Bueller III said:

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This over reaction is fairly well documented.

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So this is a normal traffic stop to you?

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I am genuinely fascinated by why the TDSers are uniquely obsessed with this story and the associated hysteria and disinformation. So much love for pedophiles and rapists ... just odd. You guys are like chimps throwing the same **** for five threads.

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There's a great thread on this very mentality. https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/158382

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I am genuinely fascinated by why the TDSers are uniquely obsessed with this story and the associated hysteria and disinformation. So much love for pedophiles and rapists ... just odd. You guys are like chimps throwing the same **** for five threads.

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There's a great thread on this very mentality. https://sicem365.com/forums/7/topics/158382

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Another good explanation

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This over reaction is fairly well documented.

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So this is a normal traffic stop to you?

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Over reaction of Ice.

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reacting to violent democrats that are being violent near schools isn't the evidence you believe it to be. That little boy you're pretending to care about was ABANDONED by his father in effort to escape and the mother refused to take him from ICE. All your little situations that lack context and come from the known liars of the left in no way justify open borders, allowing violent democrats to dictate law enforcement nor blaming ICE for the consequences violent leftists are seeing for being violent.

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according to ICE, so yeah, im gonna call bull**** on that, is there any video evidence to back up that claim? and even so, why did they deem it necessary to arrest the child and take him to a detention centre on the other side of the country?

Also, please tell me where i said i wanted Open Borders? all i said was that ICE should be going after violent criminals, not being used to bully cities that havent kissed the feet of your Dear Leader

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reacting to violent democrats that are being violent near schools isn't the evidence you believe it to be. That little boy you're pretending to care about was ABANDONED by his father in effort to escape and the mother refused to take him from ICE. All your little situations that lack context and come from the known liars of the left in no way justify open borders, allowing violent democrats to dictate law enforcement nor blaming ICE for the consequences violent leftists are seeing for being violent.

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according to ICE, so yeah, im gonna call bull**** on that, is there any video evidence to back up that claim? and even so, why did they deem it necessary to arrest the child and take him to a detention centre on the other side of the country?

Also, please tell me where i said i wanted Open Borders? all i said was that ICE should be going after violent criminals, not being used to bully cities that havent kissed the feet of your Dear Leader

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The alternative was to allow a 5 year old boy alone on the streets.

You often post leftist BS so whatever you 'call' is unimportant.

Especially since your choices have destroyed England.

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reacting to violent democrats that are being violent near schools isn't the evidence you believe it to be. That little boy you're pretending to care about was ABANDONED by his father in effort to escape and the mother refused to take him from ICE. All your little situations that lack context and come from the known liars of the left in no way justify open borders, allowing violent democrats to dictate law enforcement nor blaming ICE for the consequences violent leftists are seeing for being violent.

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according to ICE, so yeah, im gonna call bull**** on that, is there any video evidence to back up that claim? and even so, why did they deem it necessary to arrest the child and take him to a detention centre on the other side of the country?

Also, please tell me where i said i wanted Open Borders? all i said was that ICE should be going after violent criminals, not being used to bully cities that havent kissed the feet of your Dear Leader

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The alternative was to allow a 5 year old boy alone on the streets.

You often post leftist BS so whatever you 'call' is unimportant.

Especially since your choices have destroyed England.

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It's amazing how intentionally obtuse some can be.

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This over reaction is fairly well documented.

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So this is a normal traffic stop to you?

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Over reaction of Ice.

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Gotcha.

Hardly the first time cms has cheered on the criminals.

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This over reaction is fairly well documented.

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There is absolutely no context to this video. What happened before this?

How can you guys know this is an overreaction without the context? It may turn out that this action by ICE was indeed unwarranted, but you don't really know for sure unless you know the whole situation. It seems too many people here are seeing what they want because they are already set on their conclusion.

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I don't totally disagree with you; however your primary perception of the protests as a whole is different than what I and most others believe.
Do you believe Trump should invoke the Insurrection Act?

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I would love to see some data to back that up.

In fairness, there are a lot of American who- believe:
- Trump banned Muslims
- Florida banned saying "gay"
- Michael Brown said "hands up, don't shoot"
- George Floyd was an saint
- Juicy Smalls was attacked by Trump supports at Subway
- Border Patrol agents whipped Haitian migrants
- Tens of thousands of unarmed black men are killed by police each year
- The 2016 election was stolen by Russian hackers

Here is a specific question for you: not sure what you do for a living, but regardless: if a mob of people followed you, blew whistles near you, spit in your face, kicked your equipment, constantly yelled profanities at you ... would you consider that a "protest" or interference?

I look forward to your answer.

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BUDOS - I am sure you mistakenly missed the post above - look forward to your answer.

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BUDOS - realize you might have gone into hiding for a few days to avoid the question, but in case you just missed it ... would love to hear your answer.

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BUDOS - I know you probably just missed this. Looking forward to your answer.

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Give it up - he gone. I called him out before for his hypocrisy when he repeatedly "scolded" me for my "mean tone" and "narcissism" when all I was doing was giving facts and logic, all while he remained completely silent when other people were cursing and insulting me, and saying vile things to me. He's a fraud.

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Forest Bueller III said:

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This over reaction is fairly well documented.

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There is absolutely no context to this video. What happened before this?

How can you guys know this is an overreaction without the context? It may turn out that this action by ICE was indeed unwarranted, but you don't really know for sure unless you know the whole situation. It seems too many people here are seeing what they want because they are already set on their conclusion.

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I didn't say it was totally unwarranted. ICE makes it real clear they don't feel as though they can be observed.

Cutting the lady off in a reckless manner in an unmarked car with a private license plate and the first response is to draw three handguns on her. Over the top. Looked like a cartel action. ICE has been way over the top in their response to the public and it has been a major contributing factor to the issues going on in Minnesota.

I completely agree with the highlighted sentence. MAGA is so indoctrinated the see what they want to see with these repeated acts and responses and don't have the ability to see what reality is.

Homan who has been a lifelong professional hopefully gets his people back to professional level of enforcement.

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But you're the one presenting a video that doesn't have the full context, from which you're asserting a conclusion. How do you know their aggressive driving and pointing guns at her were "over the top" and unwarranted? I'd agree with you, if it turns out that way, but shouldn't we know what happened leading up it so we can "see what reality is" before making that judgement? What if the driver had pointed a weapon at them or tried to run them over?

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All this garbage about targeting criminals is propaganda.

They're trying to meet quotas and going after low-hanging fruit.

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The illegals are all criminals. That should help rid you of your confusion.

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100% predictable motte-and-bailey maneuver.

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It's simply the facts. Now had the comment been about going after VIOLENT criminals first, the point would have been reasonable, but not quite because we never said non-violent illegals could stay. We voted for ALL illegals gone and to start with the violent criminals first. You idiots try to say that meant we voted to ONLY go after violent criminal illegals. Thats on you and your imagination.

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Well, they're not starting with the violent
criminals first.

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Other than the thousands already arrested, right? The entirety of your knowledge of this topic could be summed up in a middle aged leftist woman's protest sign.

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Forest already explained it, but I suppose he's a degenerate communist just like anyone else who criticizes The Leader.

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Forrest's explanation was lacking in both facts and reason. It's no wonder you identify with it.

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The fact is that ICE agents themselves have complained about the skewed priorities. The push for bigger and bigger numbers means that more violent criminals remain at large. You literally want murderers and rapists to go free.

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Yeah, I must want rapists and murders to go free since I have a problem with you democrats assaulting law enforcement and trying to prevent them from arresting murderers and rapists.

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Free??? ICE does not play a role in that, Police do. ICE has nothing to do with letting pedophiles or rapist go free. They just toss them out of the Country after Police catch them. You are seriously confused. Pedophilia, Rape, assault are criminal. ICE is administrative, that is why an ICE warrant is not good enough to go in the house. Get it.

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Oh right, because no illegals ever commit rape, pedophilia, assault or murder, and all those thousands of reported arrests of such illegal alien criminals was just made up by the Trump administration. Incredible

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What are you talking about?

Illegals commit crimes and when they are caught, tried and hopefully deported. ICE does not investigate drug rings or felonies, they only go when there is an illegal identified, they detain them and enter them in the process to be deported. That is their job. If there is an outstanding warrant, then they contact the Police OR work with them before. They are Immigration and Customs, that is not the same as the FBI or US Marshalls. They all have their job. A State Wildlife Officer is more law enforcement than ICE.

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By your logic ICE CANT focus on violent criminals, because they aren't allowed to take their other crimes into account when choosing which illegal alien to catch and deport first. That's moronic. Stop pretending blue states and cities aren't refusing to cooperate with ice.

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BS and you know it. Cut the extremes. They work with other Agencies and always have. The illegal alien part is secondary to the criminal part. ICE isn't the primary law enforcement agency for the things you are describing - rape, pedophile, assault, robbery... They have jurisdictions, counterterrorism (chinese, remember where are they in targeting?), drug trafficking, Look it up it is all on their website. The way it is being done in MN is inefficient at best.

This is why Bovino not working with MN made their mission almost impossible without local law enforcement support. Homan himself said they prefer to pick these people up at jail. You have to work with the locals, 2 way street. Yes, Frey is difficult to deal with and i didagree with his position But, that is the job you have to work with locals, not to just ignore and overpower. This is a leadership failure- MN, Noem and Bovono.

But to your point, ICE not being there is not allowing rapist and pedophiles run free. But keep pushing that message, it serves your narrative better than the truth...

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If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle

New footage shows that Alex Pretti was a menace to society who previously vandalized an ICE vehicle in an attempt to escalate violence with agents.

Color me shocked pic.twitter.com/k4eQWQVb6F

— Savanah Hernandez (@Savsays) January 28, 2026

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What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.

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So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

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He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

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You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle

New footage shows that Alex Pretti was a menace to society who previously vandalized an ICE vehicle in an attempt to escalate violence with agents.

Color me shocked pic.twitter.com/k4eQWQVb6F

— Savanah Hernandez (@Savsays) January 28, 2026

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What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.

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So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

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He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

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You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle

New footage shows that Alex Pretti was a menace to society who previously vandalized an ICE vehicle in an attempt to escalate violence with agents.

Color me shocked pic.twitter.com/k4eQWQVb6F

— Savanah Hernandez (@Savsays) January 28, 2026

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What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.

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So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

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He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

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You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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Bad move.

There were 32 deaths in ICE custody in 2024 under BIden, with a slightly smaller number of deportations.

One could certainly make the argument that Trump could be expected to do better than Biden, but it's a little harder to make the argument that 32 deaths is extraordinary. It's an infinitesimally small number given the numbers of people processed thru the deportation system (who by definition would not be "in the system" if they were never here in the first place.)

Renee Good was killed by a man with a filipino immigrant wife

Alex Pretti was killed by 2 gay mexicans

Their greatest fear was white supremacy pic.twitter.com/xz8PoNWopw

— Kaguya’s Top Gal (@hayasaka_aryan) February 2, 2026

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Anyone got that rap sheet on Jose Huerta-Chuma?

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Irrelevant. Orange Man Bad.

Such a weird hill to die on.

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You're the one making the argument about rapists, pedophiles and violent criminals. No one has any issue going hard at them. We sent in a 10 man extraction squad for an Uber driver with no felonies.

I've been making the argument about tactics from the outset. Noem and Miller's approach are in danger of losing this issue for Trump, and even he knows it. I would think that to be relevant to the conversation.

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If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle

New footage shows that Alex Pretti was a menace to society who previously vandalized an ICE vehicle in an attempt to escalate violence with agents.

Color me shocked pic.twitter.com/k4eQWQVb6F

— Savanah Hernandez (@Savsays) January 28, 2026

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What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.

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So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

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He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

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You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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Bad move.

There were 32 deaths in ICE custody in 2024 under BIden, with a slightly smaller number of deportations.

One could certainly make the argument that Trump could be expected to do better than Biden, but it's a little harder to make the argument that 32 deaths is extraordinary. It's an infinitesimally small number given the numbers of people processed thru the deportation system (who by definition would not be "in the system" if they were never here in the first place.)

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Geez, Ok. No politics. We have 13 shootings and 31 in 2025, this year. No politics, no blame. Start from there. Ok? Because I really do not care to me they are all the same and I have said it numerous times. If they are different when they get to DC, within 6 months they are the same. You disagree, Trump and his crowd are different. Saving America. Get it, you are entitled to your opinion. So, let's leave Politics out.

We have ABOUT 13 shootings and 31 deaths in 2025. Something is not working. We all agree the ICE mission is important. Maybe for other reasons, my concerns are the Chinese that came in under Biden. You guys seem more concerned with Drugs. Fair enough. But, something has to change as the current situation is untenable and we can't have half the Nation not allowing ICE to operate.


So, what do they do to get to a compromise. The hammer and anvil ain't working.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle

New footage shows that Alex Pretti was a menace to society who previously vandalized an ICE vehicle in an attempt to escalate violence with agents.

Color me shocked pic.twitter.com/k4eQWQVb6F

— Savanah Hernandez (@Savsays) January 28, 2026

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What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.

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So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

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He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

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You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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Bad move.

There were 32 deaths in ICE custody in 2024 under BIden, with a slightly smaller number of deportations.

One could certainly make the argument that Trump could be expected to do better than Biden, but it's a little harder to make the argument that 32 deaths is extraordinary. It's an infinitesimally small number given the numbers of people processed thru the deportation system (who by definition would not be "in the system" if they were never here in the first place.)

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Geez, Ok. No politics. We have 13 shootings and 31 in 2025, this year. No politics, no blame. Start from there. Ok? Because I really do not care to me they are all the same and I have said it numerous times. If they are different when they get to DC, within 6 months they are the same. You disagree, Trump and his crowd are different. Saving America. Get it, you are entitled to your opinion. So, let's leave Politics out.

We have ABOUT 13 shootings and 31 deaths in 2025. Something is not working. We all agree the ICE mission is important. Maybe for other reasons, my concerns are the Chinese that came in under Biden. You guys seem more concerned with Drugs. Fair enough. But, something has to change as the current situation is untenable and we can't have half the Nation not allowing ICE to operate.


So, what do they do to get to a compromise. The hammer and anvil ain't working.

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The hammer hasn't been used yet and that number of deaths is not only less than the previous administrations it's a tiny fraction of all the interactions federal agents have been having with the open border rioters. You can't even convince a single person on here to accept your childish view of this topic, what makes you think you could de-escalate a violent leftist?