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If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle

New footage shows that Alex Pretti was a menace to society who previously vandalized an ICE vehicle in an attempt to escalate violence with agents.

Color me shocked pic.twitter.com/k4eQWQVb6F

— Savanah Hernandez (@Savsays) January 28, 2026

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What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.

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So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

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He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

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You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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Bad move.

There were 32 deaths in ICE custody in 2024 under BIden, with a slightly smaller number of deportations.

One could certainly make the argument that Trump could be expected to do better than Biden, but it's a little harder to make the argument that 32 deaths is extraordinary. It's an infinitesimally small number given the numbers of people processed thru the deportation system (who by definition would not be "in the system" if they were never here in the first place.)

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Geez, Ok. No politics. We have 13 shootings and 31 in 2025, this year. No politics, no blame. Start from there. Ok? Because I really do not care to me they are all the same and I have said it numerous times. If they are different when they get to DC, within 6 months they are the same. You disagree, Trump and his crowd are different. Saving America. Get it, you are entitled to your opinion. So, let's leave Politics out.

We have ABOUT 13 shootings and 31 deaths in 2025. Something is not working. We all agree the ICE mission is important. Maybe for other reasons, my concerns are the Chinese that came in under Biden. You guys seem more concerned with Drugs. Fair enough. But, something has to change as the current situation is untenable and we can't have half the Nation not allowing ICE to operate.


So, what do they do to get to a compromise. The hammer and anvil ain't working.

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The hammer hasn't been used yet and that number of deaths is not only less than the previous administrations it's a tiny fraction of all the interactions federal agents have been having with the open border rioters. You can't even convince a single person on here to accept your childish view of this topic, what makes you think you could de-escalate a violent leftist?

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Convince this site? You are kidding right? This is one of the most extreme Right Wing sites there is. We are talking Baylor, Southern Baptist Convention. And you think any moderate position is going to be accepted????

You are losing the opinion wars in the Nation. Even in Texas Democrats are winning in Tarrant County. Wake up, your way ain't working.

Unfortunately, you and people like you seem more interested in doing it your way than retaining power and actually accomplishing what the job is. It ain't just me that is concerned where this is going

Ron DeSantis sounds alarm about GOP's stunning loss in Texas special election: 'Not something that can be dismissed'

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle

New footage shows that Alex Pretti was a menace to society who previously vandalized an ICE vehicle in an attempt to escalate violence with agents.

Color me shocked pic.twitter.com/k4eQWQVb6F

— Savanah Hernandez (@Savsays) January 28, 2026

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What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.

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So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

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He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

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You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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Bad move.

There were 32 deaths in ICE custody in 2024 under BIden, with a slightly smaller number of deportations.

One could certainly make the argument that Trump could be expected to do better than Biden, but it's a little harder to make the argument that 32 deaths is extraordinary. It's an infinitesimally small number given the numbers of people processed thru the deportation system (who by definition would not be "in the system" if they were never here in the first place.)

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Game, set and match.

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For the record, 11 people died in ICE custody in 2024.

32 people died in 2025, nearly a threefold increase. 2025 was the deadliest year in two decades, and December was the deadliest month in ICE history, with seven deaths on record.

Six deaths have already been recorded for January 2026.

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291% increase from 2024 to 2025. 2026 is off to a horrible start.

Executive summary Official and watchdog reporting indicates at least 26 people died while in ICE custody over the four years of the Biden administration.

Forest Bueller III said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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For the record, 11 people died in ICE custody in 2024.

32 people died in 2025, nearly a threefold increase. 2025 was the deadliest year in two decades, and December was the deadliest month in ICE history, with seven deaths on record.

Six deaths have already been recorded for January 2026.

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291% increase from 2024 to 2025. 2026 is off to a horrible start.

Executive summary Official and watchdog reporting indicates at least 26 people died while in ICE custody over the four years of the Biden administration.

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You are not allowed to ask questions. Apparently, Biden did it so Trump gets a pass for four years.

Well, if that is how they approach it. The American Public can question the Democrat President in 2028, because not questioning Joe worked out so well for the Dems in 2024.

FLBear5630 said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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For the record, 11 people died in ICE custody in 2024.

32 people died in 2025, nearly a threefold increase. 2025 was the deadliest year in two decades, and December was the deadliest month in ICE history, with seven deaths on record.

Six deaths have already been recorded for January 2026.

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291% increase from 2024 to 2025. 2026 is off to a horrible start.

Executive summary Official and watchdog reporting indicates at least 26 people died while in ICE custody over the four years of the Biden administration.

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You are not allowed to ask questions. Apparently, Biden did it so Trump gets a pass for four years.

Well, if that is how they approach it. The American Public can question the Democrat President in 2028, because not questioning Joe worked out so well for the Dems in 2024.

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Well, I was noticing Bidens ICE lost less than 7 a year on average. 6 were lost in january alone.

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Renee Good was killed by a man with a filipino immigrant wife

Alex Pretti was killed by 2 gay mexicans

Their greatest fear was white supremacy pic.twitter.com/xz8PoNWopw

— Kaguya’s Top Gal (@hayasaka_aryan) February 2, 2026

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Another set of DEI failures, with fatal outcomes no less…

JFC

We stand for justice and a future worth fighting for!#MNStrong #iceout #Minnesota #peace #solidarity pic.twitter.com/mE8tdSoYMS

— Anton Treuer (@antontreuer) February 2, 2026

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Interesting.

A close attorney friend who is also a very strong Democrat who despises President Trump today took up for the Ice agent who was the shooter in a water cooler meeting that included a couple of other strong progressives in our firm.

He is also a former cop and had a very human perspective of the situation.

I guess what I am saying is a mind that is open to thinking for itself these days than just worshiping at the alter of a political party is so refreshing to have around these days.

It's why I love surrounding myself with all sorts of people.

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They were put in a no win situation to make a political point. This whole mess is on their leadership

Agreed.

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Interesting.

A close attorney friend who is also a very strong Democrat who despises President Trump today took up for the Ice agent who was the shooter in a water cooler meeting that included a couple of other strong progressives in our firm.

He is also a former cop and had a very human perspective of the situation.

I guess what I am saying is a mind that is open to thinking for itself these days than just worshiping at the alter of a political party is so refreshing to have around these days.

It's why I love surrounding myself with all sorts of people.

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They were put in a no win situation to make a political point. This whole mess is on their leadership

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The whole mess is on the leadership of the left, who riled up and encouraged the agitators to confront the agents. If the ICE agents were left alone to do their job, and the agitators weren't breaking the law, there wouldn't have been any deaths.

You guys are so lacking in awareness and objectivity that it's ridiculous.

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Yogi said:

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Interesting.

A close attorney friend who is also a very strong Democrat who despises President Trump today took up for the Ice agent who was the shooter in a water cooler meeting that included a couple of other strong progressives in our firm.

He is also a former cop and had a very human perspective of the situation.

I guess what I am saying is a mind that is open to thinking for itself these days than just worshiping at the alter of a political party is so refreshing to have around these days.

It's why I love surrounding myself with all sorts of people.

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They were put in a no win situation to make a political point. This whole mess is on their leadership

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The whole mess is on the leadership of the left, who riled up and encouraged the agitators to confront the agents. If the ICE agents were left alone to do their job, and the agitators weren't breaking the law, there wouldn't have been any deaths.

You guys are so lacking in awareness and objectivity that it's ridiculous.

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Leadership on both sides, Walz should cooperate on at least prisons and paw enforcement. ICE should not have been used to make a political point. It was destined to be a powder keg.

So i do agree it was left, but also right.

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Interesting.

A close attorney friend who is also a very strong Democrat who despises President Trump today took up for the Ice agent who was the shooter in a water cooler meeting that included a couple of other strong progressives in our firm.

He is also a former cop and had a very human perspective of the situation.

I guess what I am saying is a mind that is open to thinking for itself these days than just worshiping at the alter of a political party is so refreshing to have around these days.

It's why I love surrounding myself with all sorts of people.

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They were put in a no win situation to make a political point. This whole mess is on their leadership

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The whole mess is on the leadership of the left, who riled up and encouraged the agitators to confront the agents. If the ICE agents were left alone to do their job, and the agitators weren't breaking the law, there wouldn't have been any deaths.

You guys are so lacking in awareness and objectivity that it's ridiculous.

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Democrats will never take responsibility. It's always "look what you made us do to you!" after they attack.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle

New footage shows that Alex Pretti was a menace to society who previously vandalized an ICE vehicle in an attempt to escalate violence with agents.

Color me shocked pic.twitter.com/k4eQWQVb6F

— Savanah Hernandez (@Savsays) January 28, 2026

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What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.

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So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

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He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

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You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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Bad move.

There were 32 deaths in ICE custody in 2024 under BIden, with a slightly smaller number of deportations.

One could certainly make the argument that Trump could be expected to do better than Biden, but it's a little harder to make the argument that 32 deaths is extraordinary. It's an infinitesimally small number given the numbers of people processed thru the deportation system (who by definition would not be "in the system" if they were never here in the first place.)

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Geez, Ok. No politics. We have 13 shootings and 31 in 2025, this year. No politics, no blame. Start from there. Ok? Because I really do not care to me they are all the same and I have said it numerous times. If they are different when they get to DC, within 6 months they are the same. You disagree, Trump and his crowd are different. Saving America. Get it, you are entitled to your opinion. So, let's leave Politics out.

We have ABOUT 13 shootings and 31 deaths in 2025. Something is not working. We all agree the ICE mission is important. Maybe for other reasons, my concerns are the Chinese that came in under Biden. You guys seem more concerned with Drugs. Fair enough. But, something has to change as the current situation is untenable and we can't have half the Nation not allowing ICE to operate.


So, what do they do to get to a compromise. The hammer and anvil ain't working.

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30-something out of 700k deportations is a statistical anomaly.

You could not possibly be reading the tea leaves more badly. You're out there with the moonbeam nut job neverTrumpers.

Harvard-Harris poll: Overwhelming super-majority of Americans oppose the lawless, chaotic, and dangerous “sanctuary” policies that have protected criminal illegal immigrants & fueled the mob violence and criminality in places like Minneapolis. Enough. This is basic common sense… pic.twitter.com/uMESklNaC8

— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) February 2, 2026

Notice protesters keeping proper distance, taking great are not to interfere with LE. Is it a natural reaction, or did orders come down from on high?

🚨 BREAKING: Minnesota Democrats are furious after they THOUGHT President Trump and Tom Homan caved to their demands — ICE just did an EARLY MORNING RAID on illegals in Powderhorn Park

THIS is what I voted for, keep the raids going! They are losing! 🔥pic.twitter.com/yZmIPwaPFh

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) February 2, 2026

whiterock said:

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Notice protesters keeping proper distance, taking great are not to interfere with LE. Is it a natural reaction, or did orders come down from on high?

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It's mostly what they've been doing, but hey...it's good to know yelling and whistle-blowing are no longer considered interference.

KaiBear said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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For the record, 11 people died in ICE custody in 2024.

32 people died in 2025, nearly a threefold increase. 2025 was the deadliest year in two decades, and December was the deadliest month in ICE history, with seven deaths on record.

Six deaths have already been recorded for January 2026.

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291% increase from 2024 to 2025. 2026 is off to a horrible start.

Executive summary Official and watchdog reporting indicates at least 26 people died while in ICE custody over the four years of the Biden administration.

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My friend is it possible the media has inflamed the passions of some , not particularly bright , 'protesters' ?

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No doubt that it has.

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Notice protesters keeping proper distance, taking great are not to interfere with LE. Is it a natural reaction, or did orders come down from on high?

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It's mostly what they've been doing, but hey...it's good to know yelling and whistle-blowing are no longer considered interference.

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LOL 3-digits of USBP officers deployed to MN to protect ICE officers because "proximity" was a problem. Now, proximity is not a problem, so the USBP teams are going home.

Funny how that works.

What could go wrong with unsupervised children protesting ICE during a school day?

Hays Consolidated School District students ATTACK a teacher during a ICE protest.

Absolute animals. pic.twitter.com/ofIZ8YUacS

— Spitfire (@RealSpitfire) February 2, 2026

I believe the children are our future.

The walkouts affected at least four school districts: Hays CISD, Manor ISD, Lockhart ISD and Pflugerville ISD.

FULL STORY: https://t.co/GaWk3nkLlL pic.twitter.com/Et1TgmR1tD

— CBS Austin (@cbsaustin) February 2, 2026

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Interesting.

A close attorney friend who is also a very strong Democrat who despises President Trump today took up for the Ice agent who was the shooter in a water cooler meeting that included a couple of other strong progressives in our firm.

He is also a former cop and had a very human perspective of the situation.

I guess what I am saying is a mind that is open to thinking for itself these days than just worshiping at the alter of a political party is so refreshing to have around these days.

It's why I love surrounding myself with all sorts of people.

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They were put in a no win situation to make a political point. This whole mess is on their leadership

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We've been telling you that about Pretti Good for two weeks and it finally dawned on you? Slow but at least progress

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Sam Lowry said:

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For the record, 11 people died in ICE custody in 2024.

32 people died in 2025, nearly a threefold increase. 2025 was the deadliest year in two decades, and December was the deadliest month in ICE history, with seven deaths on record.

Six deaths have already been recorded for January 2026.

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291% increase from 2024 to 2025. 2026 is off to a horrible start.

Executive summary Official and watchdog reporting indicates at least 26 people died while in ICE custody over the four years of the Biden administration.

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My friend is it possible Democrat politicians and the media has inflamed the passions of some , not particularly bright , 'protesters' ?

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FIFY.

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Notice protesters keeping proper distance, taking great are not to interfere with LE. Is it a natural reaction, or did orders come down from on high?

🚨 BREAKING: Minnesota Democrats are furious after they THOUGHT President Trump and Tom Homan caved to their demands — ICE just did an EARLY MORNING RAID on illegals in Powderhorn Park

THIS is what I voted for, keep the raids going! They are losing! 🔥pic.twitter.com/yZmIPwaPFh

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) February 2, 2026

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Looks like both sides learned and calmed things down. Noticed ICE talked to people questioning and masks were lower. Overall seemed fine.

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If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle

New footage shows that Alex Pretti was a menace to society who previously vandalized an ICE vehicle in an attempt to escalate violence with agents.

Color me shocked pic.twitter.com/k4eQWQVb6F

— Savanah Hernandez (@Savsays) January 28, 2026

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What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.

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So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

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He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

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You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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Bad move.

There were 32 deaths in ICE custody in 2024 under BIden, with a slightly smaller number of deportations.

One could certainly make the argument that Trump could be expected to do better than Biden, but it's a little harder to make the argument that 32 deaths is extraordinary. It's an infinitesimally small number given the numbers of people processed thru the deportation system (who by definition would not be "in the system" if they were never here in the first place.)

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Geez, Ok. No politics. We have 13 shootings and 31 in 2025, this year. No politics, no blame. Start from there. Ok? Because I really do not care to me they are all the same and I have said it numerous times. If they are different when they get to DC, within 6 months they are the same. You disagree, Trump and his crowd are different. Saving America. Get it, you are entitled to your opinion. So, let's leave Politics out.

We have ABOUT 13 shootings and 31 deaths in 2025. Something is not working. We all agree the ICE mission is important. Maybe for other reasons, my concerns are the Chinese that came in under Biden. You guys seem more concerned with Drugs. Fair enough. But, something has to change as the current situation is untenable and we can't have half the Nation not allowing ICE to operate.


So, what do they do to get to a compromise. The hammer and anvil ain't working.

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30-something out of 700k deportations is a statistical anomaly.

You could not possibly be reading the tea leaves more badly. You're out there with the moonbeam nut job neverTrumpers.

Harvard-Harris poll: Overwhelming super-majority of Americans oppose the lawless, chaotic, and dangerous “sanctuary” policies that have protected criminal illegal immigrants & fueled the mob violence and criminality in places like Minneapolis. Enough. This is basic common sense… pic.twitter.com/uMESklNaC8

— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) February 2, 2026

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Statistical anomalie? You sure you want to stand with that evaluation of deaths in custody? Talk about a ridiculous statement. So, questioning people dying is moonbeam, huh?

Talk about a lack of human respect. Christian University...

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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Bad move.

There were 32 deaths in ICE custody in 2024 under BIden, with a slightly smaller number of deportations.

One could certainly make the argument that Trump could be expected to do better than Biden, but it's a little harder to make the argument that 32 deaths is extraordinary. It's an infinitesimally small number given the numbers of people processed thru the deportation system (who by definition would not be "in the system" if they were never here in the first place.)

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Geez, Ok. No politics. We have 13 shootings and 31 in 2025, this year. No politics, no blame. Start from there. Ok? Because I really do not care to me they are all the same and I have said it numerous times. If they are different when they get to DC, within 6 months they are the same. You disagree, Trump and his crowd are different. Saving America. Get it, you are entitled to your opinion. So, let's leave Politics out.

We have ABOUT 13 shootings and 31 deaths in 2025. Something is not working. We all agree the ICE mission is important. Maybe for other reasons, my concerns are the Chinese that came in under Biden. You guys seem more concerned with Drugs. Fair enough. But, something has to change as the current situation is untenable and we can't have half the Nation not allowing ICE to operate.


So, what do they do to get to a compromise. The hammer and anvil ain't working.

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30-something out of 700k deportations is a statistical anomaly.

You could not possibly be reading the tea leaves more badly. You're out there with the moonbeam nut job neverTrumpers.

Harvard-Harris poll: Overwhelming super-majority of Americans oppose the lawless, chaotic, and dangerous “sanctuary” policies that have protected criminal illegal immigrants & fueled the mob violence and criminality in places like Minneapolis. Enough. This is basic common sense… pic.twitter.com/uMESklNaC8

— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) February 2, 2026

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Statistical anomalie? You sure you want to stand with that evaluation of deaths in custody? Talk about a ridiculous statement. So, questioning people dying is moonbeam, huh?

Talk about a lack of human respect. Christian University...

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Yes. Stats matter. And in this case they are instructive. The numbers of shootings by ICE/USBP are exceedingly low.

The polling clearly indicate your argument is losing in the court of public opinion. For good reason. I've been trying to tell you that.

You've got to come to terms with reality: Dude was a crazy loser. Lost his marriage. Quit his job. Life spiraling downward. Found wokeness as a belief system that gave him meaning. Found a cause that would give him purpose - defending illegal aliens from deportation. Joined the resistance. Thus he went to interfere with an ICE raid. Tried to physically protect a person being detained by a cop. Cop turned to deal with him. He resisted. Ended up face down in the street fighting with 4 cops. All while armed. And one of the cops perceived a threat. Fired. at least one other cop joined in. Dude is now dead.

Yes, the death was senseless, unnecessary, a waste, etc........but the death is not the cops' fault. Or the administration's. It's Pretti's. His actions cause his death. Had he stayed 30 feet away and remained a demonstrator, he'd be alive today. But he didn't. He made a long series of bad choices......

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Notice protesters keeping proper distance, taking great are not to interfere with LE. Is it a natural reaction, or did orders come down from on high?

🚨 BREAKING: Minnesota Democrats are furious after they THOUGHT President Trump and Tom Homan caved to their demands — ICE just did an EARLY MORNING RAID on illegals in Powderhorn Park

THIS is what I voted for, keep the raids going! They are losing! 🔥pic.twitter.com/yZmIPwaPFh

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) February 2, 2026

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Looks like both sides learned and calmed things down. Noticed ICE talked to people questioning and masks were lower. Overall seemed fine.

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You and the funny hard-on about the masks is actually the funniest part of the story.

It's not a mistake that once your realized the two officers were Mexican you're starting to Michael Jackson moonwalk back your hysteria.

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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Bad move.

There were 32 deaths in ICE custody in 2024 under BIden, with a slightly smaller number of deportations.

One could certainly make the argument that Trump could be expected to do better than Biden, but it's a little harder to make the argument that 32 deaths is extraordinary. It's an infinitesimally small number given the numbers of people processed thru the deportation system (who by definition would not be "in the system" if they were never here in the first place.)

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Geez, Ok. No politics. We have 13 shootings and 31 in 2025, this year. No politics, no blame. Start from there. Ok? Because I really do not care to me they are all the same and I have said it numerous times. If they are different when they get to DC, within 6 months they are the same. You disagree, Trump and his crowd are different. Saving America. Get it, you are entitled to your opinion. So, let's leave Politics out.

We have ABOUT 13 shootings and 31 deaths in 2025. Something is not working. We all agree the ICE mission is important. Maybe for other reasons, my concerns are the Chinese that came in under Biden. You guys seem more concerned with Drugs. Fair enough. But, something has to change as the current situation is untenable and we can't have half the Nation not allowing ICE to operate.


So, what do they do to get to a compromise. The hammer and anvil ain't working.

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30-something out of 700k deportations is a statistical anomaly.

You could not possibly be reading the tea leaves more badly. You're out there with the moonbeam nut job neverTrumpers.

Harvard-Harris poll: Overwhelming super-majority of Americans oppose the lawless, chaotic, and dangerous “sanctuary” policies that have protected criminal illegal immigrants & fueled the mob violence and criminality in places like Minneapolis. Enough. This is basic common sense… pic.twitter.com/uMESklNaC8

— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) February 2, 2026

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Statistical anomalie? You sure you want to stand with that evaluation of deaths in custody? Talk about a ridiculous statement. So, questioning people dying is moonbeam, huh?

Talk about a lack of human respect. Christian University...

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Yes. Stats matter. And in this case they are instructive. The numbers of shootings by ICE/USBP are exceedingly low.

The polling clearly indicate your argument is losing in the court of public opinion. For good reason. I've been trying to tell you that.

You've got to come to terms with reality: Dude was a crazy loser. Lost his marriage. Quit his job. Life spiraling downward. Found wokeness as a belief system that gave him meaning. Found a cause that would give him purpose - defending illegal aliens from deportation. Joined the resistance. Thus he went to interfere with an ICE raid. Tried to physically protect a person being detained by a cop. Cop turned to deal with him. He resisted. Ended up face down in the street fighting with 4 cops. All while armed. And one of the cops perceived a threat. Fired. at least one other cop joined in. Dude is now dead.

Yes, the death was senseless, unnecessary, a waste, etc........but the death is not the cops' fault. Or the administration's. It's Pretti's. His actions cause his death. Had he stayed 30 feet away and remained a demonstrator, he'd be alive today. But he didn't. He made a long series of bad choices......

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It is documented that he lost his marriage and quit his job? I had read it but of course so much disinformation ... there are lots of fake AI stories but also live in a world where "fact check" site regularly spread disinformation.

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For the record, 11 people died in ICE custody in 2024.

32 people died in 2025, nearly a threefold increase. 2025 was the deadliest year in two decades, and December was the deadliest month in ICE history, with seven deaths on record.

Six deaths have already been recorded for January 2026.

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We would need to see the breakdown of those deaths…and the official cause of death.

Not to mention the Biden numbers were extremely low… because hardly anyone was being detained (they were higher under Obama who was detaining people here illegally)

If the argument that ICE is mistreating these people …then we need to see proof.

I mean people in fact die all the time in US prisons (often for no fault of the prison staff at all)

Drug overdoses, heart attacks, strokes…these conditions happen everywhere and not just in Federal custody

This is not true

Deaths while in ICE custody per administration:

Obama (09-16) - 60
Trump 1 (17-20) - 52
Biden (21-24) - 26
Trump 2 - 32 in 2025 alone https://t.co/z8JBVkqdN6 pic.twitter.com/Bl6E4od0PH

— LuKashi 4our2wenty (@Wac_Arnold) January 26, 2026

Yet again, the media is trying to twist data to smear ICE law enforcement. There has been NO spikes in deaths.

Consistent with data over the last decade, death rates in custody are 0.00007%.

As bed space has expanded, we have maintained higher standard of care than most prisons… https://t.co/qOdE5l81yR

— Homeland Security (@DHSgov) January 21, 2026

Biden vastly increased the number of people being detained.

The tweet from DHS is a good example of why they're not to be trusted. We can argue about the reasons, but no one can deny that there has been a spike in deaths.

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Biden vastly increased the number of people being detained.

The tweet from DHS is a good example of why they're not to be trusted. We can argue about the reasons, but no one can deny that there has been a spike in deaths.

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If by "detained" you mean "released into the country."

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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Bad move.

There were 32 deaths in ICE custody in 2024 under BIden, with a slightly smaller number of deportations.

One could certainly make the argument that Trump could be expected to do better than Biden, but it's a little harder to make the argument that 32 deaths is extraordinary. It's an infinitesimally small number given the numbers of people processed thru the deportation system (who by definition would not be "in the system" if they were never here in the first place.)

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Geez, Ok. No politics. We have 13 shootings and 31 in 2025, this year. No politics, no blame. Start from there. Ok? Because I really do not care to me they are all the same and I have said it numerous times. If they are different when they get to DC, within 6 months they are the same. You disagree, Trump and his crowd are different. Saving America. Get it, you are entitled to your opinion. So, let's leave Politics out.

We have ABOUT 13 shootings and 31 deaths in 2025. Something is not working. We all agree the ICE mission is important. Maybe for other reasons, my concerns are the Chinese that came in under Biden. You guys seem more concerned with Drugs. Fair enough. But, something has to change as the current situation is untenable and we can't have half the Nation not allowing ICE to operate.


So, what do they do to get to a compromise. The hammer and anvil ain't working.

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30-something out of 700k deportations is a statistical anomaly.

You could not possibly be reading the tea leaves more badly. You're out there with the moonbeam nut job neverTrumpers.

Harvard-Harris poll: Overwhelming super-majority of Americans oppose the lawless, chaotic, and dangerous “sanctuary” policies that have protected criminal illegal immigrants & fueled the mob violence and criminality in places like Minneapolis. Enough. This is basic common sense… pic.twitter.com/uMESklNaC8

— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) February 2, 2026

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Statistical anomalie? You sure you want to stand with that evaluation of deaths in custody? Talk about a ridiculous statement. So, questioning people dying is moonbeam, huh?

Talk about a lack of human respect. Christian University...

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Yes. Stats matter. And in this case they are instructive. The numbers of shootings by ICE/USBP are exceedingly low.

The polling clearly indicate your argument is losing in the court of public opinion. For good reason. I've been trying to tell you that.

You've got to come to terms with reality: Dude was a crazy loser. Lost his marriage. Quit his job. Life spiraling downward. Found wokeness as a belief system that gave him meaning. Found a cause that would give him purpose - defending illegal aliens from deportation. Joined the resistance. Thus he went to interfere with an ICE raid. Tried to physically protect a person being detained by a cop. Cop turned to deal with him. He resisted. Ended up face down in the street fighting with 4 cops. All while armed. And one of the cops perceived a threat. Fired. at least one other cop joined in. Dude is now dead.

Yes, the death was senseless, unnecessary, a waste, etc........but the death is not the cops' fault. Or the administration's. It's Pretti's. His actions cause his death. Had he stayed 30 feet away and remained a demonstrator, he'd be alive today. But he didn't. He made a long series of bad choices......

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The difference we have, and I am shocked to be honest based on your earlier positions when Biden was in power, is that it the responsibility of the Government to hold its people to a higher standard when confronting citizens. These ICE Agents should not be in these positions, and it is getting people killed. They are the ones that have been supposedly properly trained. You look at that crowd control and tell me that was handled properly? We are talking Minneapolis, notorious for protesting. Yet, nothing was done besides picket lines and tear gas. Sure, looks like HSA wanted a fight.

Nobody disagrees he should have been arrested for kicking car. But, he was shot for holding a phone camera. His licensed weapon was holstered. We will see what comes out of the investigations (plural). I expect the State and HSA to come to two different conclusions.

The handling by Noem was a disaster. I don't know how someone with any training can say this incident was handled properly. You seem to approve lowering the bar of conduct, not raising it or even maintaining it.

FLBear, you keep pretending extent conditions were the same 2025 to now as they were under Obama, the Bushes and Clinton. The plain fact is that there are dozens if not hundreds of groups organized specifically to interfere with deportations, including media spin protecting gang members and drug dealers as ordinary Americans (e.g. 'Maryland Man') and activist judges have sabotaged valid deportation efforts up to and including defying SCOTUS rulings.