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FLBear, you keep pretending extent conditions were the same 2025 to now as they were under Obama, the Bushes and Clinton. The plain fact is that there are dozens if not hundreds of groups organized specifically to interfere with deportations, including media spin protecting gang members and drug dealers as ordinary Americans (e.g. 'Maryland Man') and activist judges have sabotaged valid deportation efforts up to and including defying SCOTUS rulings.

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Actually, I agree with you. ALL protestors are better organized in all areas.

We see it in transportation, the only thing less volatile that this is eminent domain or building a road near someone's property! In Florida, eminent domain is such a big deal that there are only two court cases requiring full 12 person jury, capital murder and eminent domain.

Social Media changed the world, we do a ton more public involvement, listening tours, interviews, meetings and hearings than ever. We HAD to change the way we dealt with it and EVERY project is started with how do we deal with the public? Much more time, resources and use of law enforcement (State or Local). The planning is extensive. We are often talking 50M and above for a small project and over 200M for a larger one. It is serious.

My point is that you are correct and ICE HAS to know that and act accordingly. More coordination, more planning, more set up for targeted raids. They can't wing it or you end up with MN.

So, either it was incompetence OR this is what they wanted. It was by design. Because I can't believe these guys didn't know what was going to happen sending in 3000 agents in one City.

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FLBear, you keep pretending extent conditions were the same 2025 to now as they were under Obama, the Bushes and Clinton. The plain fact is that there are dozens if not hundreds of groups organized specifically to interfere with deportations, including media spin protecting gang members and drug dealers as ordinary Americans (e.g. 'Maryland Man') and activist judges have sabotaged valid deportation efforts up to and including defying SCOTUS rulings.

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Actually, I agree with you. ALL protestors are better organized in all areas.

We see it in transportation, the only thing less volatile that this is eminent domain or building a road near someone's property! In Florida, eminent domain is such a big deal that there are only two court cases requiring full 12 person jury, capital murder and eminent domain.

Social Media changed the world, we do a ton more public involvement, listening tours, interviews, meetings and hearings than ever. We HAD to change the way we dealt with it and EVERY project is started with how do we deal with the public? Much more time, resources and use of law enforcement (State or Local). The planning is extensive. We are often talking 50M and above for a small project and over 200M for a larger one. It is serious.

My point is that you are correct and ICE HAS to know that and act accordingly. More coordination, more planning, more set up for targeted raids. They can't wing it or you end up with MN.

So, either it was incompetence OR this is what they wanted. It was by design. Because I can't believe these guys didn't know what was going to happen sending in 3000 agents in one City.

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The problem, FLBear, can be seen in the disparity between mob behavior in Minnesota opposed to other states, such as Texas.

I agree to some extent. that for both legal and optics reasons ICE has to adjust its actions according to situations, and it is there that Ms. Noem has failed to some degree. However, the actions of the Minnesota groups was clearly targeting legally valid operations by ICE, and because those harassments and interference was deliberate and organized, criticism of ICE and Ms. Noem should be limited to the degree that these behaviors hindered valid operations and should not be rewarded.

I am not saying I approve of this plan, but it appears the Minnesota actions by ICE were planned to accomplish two goals:

1. Remove illegals in a state where corruption of state officials is apparent and pervasive, and;
2. Create a public image of overwhelming enforcement efforts, to persuade many illegals to voluntary self-deport

These goals explain why both ICE and the harassment groups have made Minnesota a key battleground. It also explains why neither side is willing to stand down. I would expect Tom Homan to change the appearance of actions, not scale them down in actual performance.

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FLBear, you keep pretending extent conditions were the same 2025 to now as they were under Obama, the Bushes and Clinton. The plain fact is that there are dozens if not hundreds of groups organized specifically to interfere with deportations, including media spin protecting gang members and drug dealers as ordinary Americans (e.g. 'Maryland Man') and activist judges have sabotaged valid deportation efforts up to and including defying SCOTUS rulings.

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Actually, I agree with you. ALL protestors are better organized in all areas.

We see it in transportation, the only thing less volatile that this is eminent domain or building a road near someone's property! In Florida, eminent domain is such a big deal that there are only two court cases requiring full 12 person jury, capital murder and eminent domain.

Social Media changed the world, we do a ton more public involvement, listening tours, interviews, meetings and hearings than ever. We HAD to change the way we dealt with it and EVERY project is started with how do we deal with the public? Much more time, resources and use of law enforcement (State or Local). The planning is extensive. We are often talking 50M and above for a small project and over 200M for a larger one. It is serious.

My point is that you are correct and ICE HAS to know that and act accordingly. More coordination, more planning, more set up for targeted raids. They can't wing it or you end up with MN.

So, either it was incompetence OR this is what they wanted. It was by design. Because I can't believe these guys didn't know what was going to happen sending in 3000 agents in one City.

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The problem, FLBear, can be seen in the disparity between mob behavior in Minnesota opposed to other states, such as Texas.

I agree to some extent. that for both legal and optics reasons ICE has to adjust its actions according to situations, and it is there that Ms. Noem has failed to some degree. However, the actions of the Minnesota groups was clearly targeting legally valid operations by ICE, and because those harassments and interference was deliberate and organized, criticism of ICE and Ms. Noem should be limited to the degree that these behaviors hindered valid operations and should not be rewarded.

I am not saying I approve of this plan, but it appears the Minnesota actions by ICE were planned to accomplish two goals:

1. Remove illegals in a state where corruption of state officials is apparent and pervasive, and;
2. Create a public image of overwhelming enforcement efforts, to persuade many illegals to voluntary self-deport

These goals explain why both ICE and the harassment groups have made Minnesota a key battleground. It also explains why neither side is willing to stand down. I would expect Tom Homan to change the appearance of actions, not scale them down in actual performance.

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They sure picked wrong State! Should have went with WV or somewhere like that. I do feel bad for the guys on the line.

Mob behavior doesn't occur immediately. It follows a cycle. ICE is in a controlled situation. They are doing targeted raids. They have to have intel on where the people are. They have the numbers. They have time to set up. They have a planned exit strategy and know where they are taking the person. It should not be like it was in MN. Even allowing for "best laid plans go afoul" to occur. They should be getting these people and getting out.

Even if the locals don't work with them, they know where they are going, have time to plan it and have resources to control the scene. Why is it not working? Or better, why didn't it work? Were they rushing? Did they not control the scene? Did they stay too long? Did Leadership set them up for failure? Something went very wrong. You say the mob, they are HSA for heaven's sake! They are trained and equipped for counterterrorism! Yet, these mobs of civilians caused breakdowns to the point of killing people?

Sorry, not seeing it. You guys are acting like this is some little Barney Fife operation that got overwhelmed by 20 or 30 people. Or a guy kicking the car? What would happen against a platoon of trained Chinese that actually had command and control? Think about it.

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If this is real and not AI, then the story is going to fizzle

New footage shows that Alex Pretti was a menace to society who previously vandalized an ICE vehicle in an attempt to escalate violence with agents.

Color me shocked pic.twitter.com/k4eQWQVb6F

— Savanah Hernandez (@Savsays) January 28, 2026

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What a sweetheart, "the perfect guy," "the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry," I was told over the last few days.

Indeed, he is. I'd love to have one of my daughters bring home an unemployed protester who follows around LEO screaming like a banshee and kicking out taillights. No doubt he's a peach in all facets of his life. Imagine the excitement at Thanksgiving and the joy of having grandchildren who are taught the organized protestor lifestyle.

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So shoot him dead in the street.

Arrest hin, but him in jail for 60 days. Fine him. Kill him?

What moral code were you raised with?

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He was basically playing in freeway traffic and go hit, now you're trying to blame the car that hit him for his death.

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You really believe if you hit someone on the freeway you won't be getting a visit from the Police?

How about you hit them, argue with the Police and they shoot you...

I really do not know what world you guys live in.

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the real world, unlike you.

Pretty didn't argue with the police. He fought with them. While armed. Thereby presenting a credible threat to those officers, who responded appropriately to protect themselves. All on camera, for the whole world to see..

You are as bad as those unhinged leftists.

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He fought with ICE. Ok, let's say you are right on the day he was shot he fought. You don't shoot people in the street. Pretti was disarmed when he was shot. The Agent had the gun and removed it from the situation. Come on, the guy was disarmed and shot 10 times in the back. You know even on the battlefield, this would have been an unlawful shooting. It is ok to admit it was screwed up and the ICE Agents overreacted. You don't have to back everything.

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You're right. You shouldn't back everything the neverTrumpers say.

Here's all the stuff you got wrong:
1) he was armed when HE started the fight with ICE.
2) HE resisted. For a while.
3) "Disarmed" presumes that all players had identical situational awareness. Only one agent could reasonably have known Pretti was armed - the one who took the weapon off of him in a 5-man fight on the ground.
3) "Bullet count" is irrelevant emote. if you make some movement perceived to be a threat to a police officer, you are going to get perforated a whole bunch of times. They are trained, and the law allows them, to keep firing until the threat is incapacitated.
4) "Battlefield" is silly, flatly at odds with reality. On a battlefield, anyone who attacks you with anything, to specifically include bare hands, is fair game. It is in fact the far higher standard applied to law enforcement officers that is at issue here.

Dude. I hope you taught your kids that getting into a fight with cops will get you shot, whether you are armed or not. I mean, the list of justifications for what happened to Pretty is not a short one.

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How many times have I said Pertti was wrong and should have been arrested? You are hammering a point that no one is arguing.
LOL he was resisting arrest, while armed, and got shot.
If you go to a protest and get into a fight with cops while armed, getting shot is pretty high on the list of potential outcomes.

Agency response, you can espouse over and over that legally and technically the Agents will not be found guilty. No one is arguing that. I do disagree on bullet count and placement.
There you go again with highly emotive but totally irrelevant nonsense on count & placement. Officers are going to shoot a threat until it quits moving.

A two or three round shot group center mass is one thing, 10 shots in the back is totally another. It is not an emote, it indicates training level, intent and competency. Put 5 to 6 rounds in someone's back and see how a court responds.
Nope. A guy laying face down on top of a weapon could roll slightly and fire at an officer. The law affords and officer to end that potential threat.

An Agency shooting people in the street on a weekly basis cannot continue. The Leadership will never survive, as we have seen. You are mixing the incident with the Agency performance. What is right or wrong in a moment versus the impact with the ability to complete the mission. We are talking two different things.
So you abandon the streets to the thugs....who TWICE this month posed deadly threats to LEOs?

I am talking ALL the incidents (13 under Noem) and the Agency relation with the community they have to operate. That is different whether Pertti was right or wrong. Homan gets it, he is giving where he can and is focused on the mission.
LOL Homan came in to claim victory. MN police are now dispersing crowds, allowing ICE to continue its mission (without the USBP security teams).

What do you want? The illegals gone or for the Feds to prove a point to those leftist MN people? Because it seems you are arguing for the latter.
You, typically, have it backwards. That is exactly the false dilemma those MN leftists posed to ICE.

The Agency's ability to operate in the community IS paramount to mission success. You can't get them against you or you will never get it done. You spend all your time defending, when you need them working with you. MN was a mess. 3000 Agents???? Trump knew it had nothing to do with illegals, it was breaking Walz. THAT is why it is a disaster.
Breaking Walz, which is what happened, is not a disaster. It is the objective - to confront sanctuary cities and break their will to continue the policy.

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Dude, you are all over the map. Focus. ICE did not shoot any illegals. They shot demonstrators who rioted and interfered with deadly weapons to stop entirely legal deportation operations.

Typical moderate. Fold at the first sign of resistance. Then complain that nothing gets done. Then complain about how success is accomplished. Sheesh....

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Look at what was wrote, there are 12 other ICE shootings and 32 people died in ICE custody under Noem. There is more here than MN, do you want to discuss the ICE situation? There is more than just the MN surge to break the Democratic Party.

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Bad move.

There were 32 deaths in ICE custody in 2024 under BIden, with a slightly smaller number of deportations.

One could certainly make the argument that Trump could be expected to do better than Biden, but it's a little harder to make the argument that 32 deaths is extraordinary. It's an infinitesimally small number given the numbers of people processed thru the deportation system (who by definition would not be "in the system" if they were never here in the first place.)

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Geez, Ok. No politics. We have 13 shootings and 31 in 2025, this year. No politics, no blame. Start from there. Ok? Because I really do not care to me they are all the same and I have said it numerous times. If they are different when they get to DC, within 6 months they are the same. You disagree, Trump and his crowd are different. Saving America. Get it, you are entitled to your opinion. So, let's leave Politics out.

We have ABOUT 13 shootings and 31 deaths in 2025. Something is not working. We all agree the ICE mission is important. Maybe for other reasons, my concerns are the Chinese that came in under Biden. You guys seem more concerned with Drugs. Fair enough. But, something has to change as the current situation is untenable and we can't have half the Nation not allowing ICE to operate.


So, what do they do to get to a compromise. The hammer and anvil ain't working.

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The hammer hasn't been used yet and that number of deaths is not only less than the previous administrations it's a tiny fraction of all the interactions federal agents have been having with the open border rioters. You can't even convince a single person on here to accept your childish view of this topic, what makes you think you could de-escalate a violent leftist?

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Convince this site? You are kidding right? This is one of the most extreme Right Wing sites there is. We are talking Baylor, Southern Baptist Convention. And you think any moderate position is going to be accepted????

You are losing the opinion wars in the Nation. Even in Texas Democrats are winning in Tarrant County. Wake up, your way ain't working.

Unfortunately, you and people like you seem more interested in doing it your way than retaining power and actually accomplishing what the job is. It ain't just me that is concerned where this is going

Ron DeSantis sounds alarm about GOP's stunning loss in Texas special election: 'Not something that can be dismissed'

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Yet it's you and your people out breaking the law because you didn't get your way in the elections that actually mattered, not some tiny quick special election the vast majority of voters will normally vote didn't even know about. Jesus, you idiot leftists ALWAYS look for any little random election win as the bellwether for republicans and ignore national election defeats for democrats. Every damn time. It is NEVER, "what can democrats do to change minds after losing elections all across America" and it's ALWAYS, "Republicans need to change or they'll lose after winning elections all across America!"
As far as your inability to convince anyone on a site where people come to exchange ideas, it's hilarious you expect ICE to convince rabid violent leftists that are in the process of attacking them and blocking their vehicles to de-escalate while you lack the ability to communicate effectively with people who VOLUNTARILY engage you. Lol

Polls Deliver Clear Verdict: Americans Back Trump's Deportation Agenda, Reject Anti-ICE Politics

https://www.dailywire.com/news/polls-deliver-clear-verdict-americans-back-trumps-deportation-agenda-reject-anti-ice-politics?topStoryPosition=undefined&author=Tim+Pearce&category=News&elementPosition=2&row=1&rowHeadline=Top+Stories&rowType=Top+Stories&title=Polls+Deliver+Clear+Verdict%3A+Americans+Back+Trump%E2%80%99s+Deportation+Agenda%2C+Reject+Anti-ICE+Politics&fbclid=IwY2xjawPvJGdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA80MDk5NjI2MjMwODU2MDkAAR6CSM60qXbnEPLfPFq5E-4e5yOtcg27CeQ_FeuAJYHVcVDb-DflQ6I5DRLZnA_aem_xm-D5AbxHqlUda3gMxHv1g

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Polls Deliver Clear Verdict: Americans Back Trump's Deportation Agenda, Reject Anti-ICE Politics

https://www.dailywire.com/news/polls-deliver-clear-verdict-americans-back-trumps-deportation-agenda-reject-anti-ice-politics?topStoryPosition=undefined&author=Tim+Pearce&category=News&elementPosition=2&row=1&rowHeadline=Top+Stories&rowType=Top+Stories&title=Polls+Deliver+Clear+Verdict%3A+Americans+Back+Trump%E2%80%99s+Deportation+Agenda%2C+Reject+Anti-ICE+Politics&fbclid=IwY2xjawPvJGdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA80MDk5NjI2MjMwODU2MDkAAR6CSM60qXbnEPLfPFq5E-4e5yOtcg27CeQ_FeuAJYHVcVDb-DflQ6I5DRLZnA_aem_xm-D5AbxHqlUda3gMxHv1g

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No ***** Everyone, literally everyone, on here has said that they have no problem with the policy, but HOW they are doing it. Seems most Americans agree, especially on serious criminals being targeted and those that have been a long time with no criminal record not.

Did you read the full article?

FLBear: " Sorry, not seeing it."

Only because you keep your eyes tightly shut.

Logic cannot overcome blind refusal to accept facts, so you choose that for your method.

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Polls Deliver Clear Verdict: Americans Back Trump's Deportation Agenda, Reject Anti-ICE Politics

https://www.dailywire.com/news/polls-deliver-clear-verdict-americans-back-trumps-deportation-agenda-reject-anti-ice-politics?topStoryPosition=undefined&author=Tim+Pearce&category=News&elementPosition=2&row=1&rowHeadline=Top+Stories&rowType=Top+Stories&title=Polls+Deliver+Clear+Verdict%3A+Americans+Back+Trump%E2%80%99s+Deportation+Agenda%2C+Reject+Anti-ICE+Politics&fbclid=IwY2xjawPvJGdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA80MDk5NjI2MjMwODU2MDkAAR6CSM60qXbnEPLfPFq5E-4e5yOtcg27CeQ_FeuAJYHVcVDb-DflQ6I5DRLZnA_aem_xm-D5AbxHqlUda3gMxHv1g

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From your link:

"Americans are solidly against deporting illegal aliens who have lived in the country for years without committing serious crimes, who arrived in the United States as children, or who are legal residents who have only committed minor infractions."

Two people because: 1) Trump wanted a performative show of force in a Democratic city.
2) ICE had no training in community relations or crowd control.

His performance netted him 2 deaths and a destruction of public support for these cruel deportations.

Yes Waco, that's the lie you and your socialist buddies continue to spew.

Don't think it's going to hold up, too many people look beyond your claims and check your track record.

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Polls Deliver Clear Verdict: Americans Back Trump's Deportation Agenda, Reject Anti-ICE Politics

https://www.dailywire.com/news/polls-deliver-clear-verdict-americans-back-trumps-deportation-agenda-reject-anti-ice-politics?topStoryPosition=undefined&author=Tim+Pearce&category=News&elementPosition=2&row=1&rowHeadline=Top+Stories&rowType=Top+Stories&title=Polls+Deliver+Clear+Verdict%3A+Americans+Back+Trump%E2%80%99s+Deportation+Agenda%2C+Reject+Anti-ICE+Politics&fbclid=IwY2xjawPvJGdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA80MDk5NjI2MjMwODU2MDkAAR6CSM60qXbnEPLfPFq5E-4e5yOtcg27CeQ_FeuAJYHVcVDb-DflQ6I5DRLZnA_aem_xm-D5AbxHqlUda3gMxHv1g

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From your link:

"Americans are solidly against deporting illegal aliens who have lived in the country for years without committing serious crimes, who arrived in the United States as children, or who are legal residents who have only committed minor infractions."

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"Americans are solidly against deporting illegal aliens.... who are legal residents..."

Pretty much sums up the poor comprehension and thinking skills of most Americans. Something that gets demonstrated in this forum daily, and with regard to this issue particularly.

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Looks like you skipped most of the quotation there.

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Polls Deliver Clear Verdict: Americans Back Trump's Deportation Agenda, Reject Anti-ICE Politics

https://www.dailywire.com/news/polls-deliver-clear-verdict-americans-back-trumps-deportation-agenda-reject-anti-ice-politics?topStoryPosition=undefined&author=Tim+Pearce&category=News&elementPosition=2&row=1&rowHeadline=Top+Stories&rowType=Top+Stories&title=Polls+Deliver+Clear+Verdict%3A+Americans+Back+Trump%E2%80%99s+Deportation+Agenda%2C+Reject+Anti-ICE+Politics&fbclid=IwY2xjawPvJGdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA80MDk5NjI2MjMwODU2MDkAAR6CSM60qXbnEPLfPFq5E-4e5yOtcg27CeQ_FeuAJYHVcVDb-DflQ6I5DRLZnA_aem_xm-D5AbxHqlUda3gMxHv1g

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From your link:

"Americans are solidly against deporting illegal aliens who have lived in the country for years without committing serious crimes, who arrived in the United States as children, or who are legal residents who have only committed minor infractions."

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"Americans are solidly against deporting illegal aliens.... who are legal residents..."

Pretty much sums up the poor comprehension and thinking skills of most Americans. Something that gets demonstrated in this forum daily, and with regard to this issue particularly.

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Looks like you skipped most of the quotation there.

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See what I mean, folks?

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FLBear: " Sorry, not seeing it."

Only because you keep your eyes tightly shut.

Logic cannot overcome blind refusal to accept facts, so you choose that for your method.

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I think that is where your issue is - logic. You are applying logic to a human based system. Humans don't act logical. Faith is not logical. We are talking Sociology here and how people interact. Criminal Justice is a social science, not hard science.

We can use logical methodological practices to measure what people do and how many, but not why. Religious believe is not logical. The American Revolution was not logical. The US entering into WW2 was not logical. A person protecting some stranger against an armed person is not logical. Voting is not logical.

So, you are correct. Logic cannot overcome or change human nature or actions. Trump's actions are logical, but not humane. That is the problem for those that are involved with the more Social skills vs those that are number based. (NOT a value judgement, just fact)

I get why you don't get it as you have a numbers background. I get some of the engineers and science based people, as human systems do not match well with numerical systems and actually make them feel uncomfortable. Which is also why outside of this ****, I can get along with you guys no issues. Everyone is true to their nature, it does not make them bad people just approach life differently.

Funny thing is that I have found that the opposite doesn't hold, Hard numbers people do not put this **** aside, they hold grudges. (Just my observations)

You can apply logic all you want, but when dealing with people it is not a good indicator of public perception or political will.

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FLBear: " Sorry, not seeing it."

Only because you keep your eyes tightly shut.

Logic cannot overcome blind refusal to accept facts, so you choose that for your method.

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I think that is where your issue is - logic. You are applying logic to a human based system. Humans don't act logical. Faith is not logical. We are talking Sociology here and how people interact. Criminal Justice is a social science, not hard science.

We can use logical methodological practices to measure what people do and how many, but not why. Religious believe is not logical. The American Revolution was not logical. The US entering into WW2 was not logical. A person protecting some stranger against an armed person is not logical. Voting is not logical.

So, you are correct. Logic cannot overcome or change human nature or actions. Trump's actions are logical, but not humane. That is the problem for those that are involved with the more Social skills vs those that are number based. (NOT a value judgement, just fact)

I get why you don't get it as you have a numbers background. I get some of the engineers and science based people, as human systems do not match well with numerical systems and actually make them feel uncomfortable. Which is also why outside of this ****, I can get along with you guys no issues. Everyone is true to their nature, it does not make them bad people just approach life differently.

Funny thing is that I have found that the opposite doesn't hold, Hard numbers people do not put this **** aside, they hold grudges. (Just my observations)

You can apply logic all you want, but when dealing with people it is not a good indicator of public perception or political will.

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The most illogical rant yet.

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FLBear: " Sorry, not seeing it."

Only because you keep your eyes tightly shut.

Logic cannot overcome blind refusal to accept facts, so you choose that for your method.

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I think that is where your issue is - logic. You are applying logic to a human based system. Humans don't act logical. Faith is not logical. We are talking Sociology here and how people interact. Criminal Justice is a social science, not hard science.

We can use logical methodological practices to measure what people do and how many, but not why. Religious believe is not logical. The American Revolution was not logical. The US entering into WW2 was not logical. A person protecting some stranger against an armed person is not logical. Voting is not logical.

So, you are correct. Logic cannot overcome or change human nature or actions. Trump's actions are logical, but not humane. That is the problem for those that are involved with the more Social skills vs those that are number based. (NOT a value judgement, just fact)

I get why you don't get it as you have a numbers background. I get some of the engineers and science based people, as human systems do not match well with numerical systems and actually make them feel uncomfortable. Which is also why outside of this ****, I can get along with you guys no issues. Everyone is true to their nature, it does not make them bad people just approach life differently.

Funny thing is that I have found that the opposite doesn't hold, Hard numbers people do not put this **** aside, they hold grudges. (Just my observations)

You can apply logic all you want, but when dealing with people it is not a good indicator of public perception or political will.

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The most illogical rant yet.

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I get it. Good one.

The bluest of the polling units…..

Deporting those in the U.S. illegally

🟢 Favor: 56%
🟤 Oppose: 44%

Marquette (A) | 1/21-28 | 1,003 A

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) February 4, 2026

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The bluest of the polling units…..

Deporting those in the U.S. illegally

🟢 Favor: 56%
🟤 Oppose: 44%

Marquette (A) | 1/21-28 | 1,003 A

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) February 4, 2026

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Anyone who has fed refugees from central America....knows exactly how horribly Mexico treats their illegals.

However I doubt any US white gals would ever allow themselves to believe it.

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The bluest of the polling units…..

Deporting those in the U.S. illegally

🟢 Favor: 56%
🟤 Oppose: 44%

Marquette (A) | 1/21-28 | 1,003 A

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) February 4, 2026

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No one is disagreeing with that.

The piece many of us on here were saying needed changing is the tactics. Below is the tactic change, which is smart for both sides:

"Newly issued internal guidance from a high-ranking Immigration and Customs Enforcement official directs federal officers to refrain from unnecessary communication and engagement with "agitators" to avoid "inflaming the situation."

The directive, reviewed by Reuters, also orders ICE officers to only target immigrants who have records of criminal charges or convictions, a departure from earlier tactics.

Echoing that, Homan said agents would prioritize those who pose a threat to public safety or national security, although he emphasized the Trump administration remains committed to deporting all immigrants it says are living in the country illegally.

"We're not surrendering our mission at all, we're just doing it smarter," he said.t included randomly stopping people on the street to demand documented proof of legal U.S. residence or citizenship. "

They had to do that because of the political fallout. People agree with the deporting illegals, but not the way they were doing it.

The Feds gave, MN gave and they are still going to be able to deport. What is the negative? Why does it have to be I won, they or you lose? Both gave. That is how you move forward.

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The bluest of the polling units…..

Deporting those in the U.S. illegally

🟢 Favor: 56%
🟤 Oppose: 44%

Marquette (A) | 1/21-28 | 1,003 A

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) February 4, 2026

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No one is disagreeing with that.

The piece many of us on here were saying needed changing is the tactics. Below is the tactic change, which is smart for both sides:

"Newly issued internal guidance from a high-ranking Immigration and Customs Enforcement official directs federal officers to refrain from unnecessary communication and engagement with "agitators" to avoid "inflaming the situation."

The directive, reviewed by Reuters, also orders ICE officers to only target immigrants who have records of criminal charges or convictions, a departure from earlier tactics.

Echoing that, Homan said agents would prioritize those who pose a threat to public safety or national security, although he emphasized the Trump administration remains committed to deporting all immigrants it says are living in the country illegally.

"We're not surrendering our mission at all, we're just doing it smarter," he said.t included randomly stopping people on the street to demand documented proof of legal U.S. residence or citizenship. "

They had to do that because of the political fallout. People agree with the deporting illegals, but not the way they were doing it.

The Feds gave, MN gave and they are still going to be able to deport. What is the negative? Why does it have to be I won, they or you lose? Both gave. That is how you move forward.

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Bull***** Again. Tactics changed when local government started cooperating. Not before.

Wangchung said:

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whiterock said:

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The bluest of the polling units…..

Deporting those in the U.S. illegally

🟢 Favor: 56%
🟤 Oppose: 44%

Marquette (A) | 1/21-28 | 1,003 A

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) February 4, 2026

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No one is disagreeing with that.

The piece many of us on here were saying needed changing is the tactics. Below is the tactic change, which is smart for both sides:

"Newly issued internal guidance from a high-ranking Immigration and Customs Enforcement official directs federal officers to refrain from unnecessary communication and engagement with "agitators" to avoid "inflaming the situation."

The directive, reviewed by Reuters, also orders ICE officers to only target immigrants who have records of criminal charges or convictions, a departure from earlier tactics.

Echoing that, Homan said agents would prioritize those who pose a threat to public safety or national security, although he emphasized the Trump administration remains committed to deporting all immigrants it says are living in the country illegally.

"We're not surrendering our mission at all, we're just doing it smarter," he said.t included randomly stopping people on the street to demand documented proof of legal U.S. residence or citizenship. "

They had to do that because of the political fallout. People agree with the deporting illegals, but not the way they were doing it.

The Feds gave, MN gave and they are still going to be able to deport. What is the negative? Why does it have to be I won, they or you lose? Both gave. That is how you move forward.

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Bull***** Again. Tactics changed when local government started cooperating. Not before.

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Yeah, moving Bovino and Barbie out were moves of strength... Homan said on his first day no more sweeps, it was direct targeting getting back to the core mission.

You hear what you want to hear, which for some reason is US Government Agents shooting people. You get off on some strange *****..

FLBear5630 said:

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The bluest of the polling units…..

Deporting those in the U.S. illegally

🟢 Favor: 56%
🟤 Oppose: 44%

Marquette (A) | 1/21-28 | 1,003 A

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) February 4, 2026

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No one is disagreeing with that.

The piece many of us on here were saying needed changing is the tactics. Below is the tactic change, which is smart for both sides:

"Newly issued internal guidance from a high-ranking Immigration and Customs Enforcement official directs federal officers to refrain from unnecessary communication and engagement with "agitators" to avoid "inflaming the situation."

The directive, reviewed by Reuters, also orders ICE officers to only target immigrants who have records of criminal charges or convictions, a departure from earlier tactics.

Echoing that, Homan said agents would prioritize those who pose a threat to public safety or national security, although he emphasized the Trump administration remains committed to deporting all immigrants it says are living in the country illegally.

"We're not surrendering our mission at all, we're just doing it smarter," he said.t included randomly stopping people on the street to demand documented proof of legal U.S. residence or citizenship. "

They had to do that because of the political fallout. People agree with the deporting illegals, but not the way they were doing it.

The Feds gave, MN gave and they are still going to be able to deport. What is the negative? Why does it have to be I won, they or you lose? Both gave. That is how you move forward.

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Bull***** Again. Tactics changed when local government started cooperating. Not before.

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Yeah, moving Bovino and Barbie out were moves of strength... Homan said on his first day no more sweeps, it was direct targeting getting back to the core mission.

You hear what you want to hear, which for some reason is US Government Agents shooting people. You get off on some strange *****..

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I am sure you do see facts as strange ***** That attitude comes through in your posts where you claim Trump backed down despite the fact change only came after he finally got the cooperation from democrats he demanded from the beginning. You idiots cheered for and excused violence against federal agents and then acted aghast when some of your idiot leftist buddies got themselves shot while attacking agents.

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The bluest of the polling units…..

Deporting those in the U.S. illegally

🟢 Favor: 56%
🟤 Oppose: 44%

Marquette (A) | 1/21-28 | 1,003 A

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) February 4, 2026

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No one is disagreeing with that.

The piece many of us on here were saying needed changing is the tactics. Below is the tactic change, which is smart for both sides:

"Newly issued internal guidance from a high-ranking Immigration and Customs Enforcement official directs federal officers to refrain from unnecessary communication and engagement with "agitators" to avoid "inflaming the situation."

The directive, reviewed by Reuters, also orders ICE officers to only target immigrants who have records of criminal charges or convictions, a departure from earlier tactics.

Echoing that, Homan said agents would prioritize those who pose a threat to public safety or national security, although he emphasized the Trump administration remains committed to deporting all immigrants it says are living in the country illegally.

"We're not surrendering our mission at all, we're just doing it smarter," he said.t included randomly stopping people on the street to demand documented proof of legal U.S. residence or citizenship. "

They had to do that because of the political fallout. People agree with the deporting illegals, but not the way they were doing it.

The Feds gave, MN gave and they are still going to be able to deport. What is the negative? Why does it have to be I won, they or you lose? Both gave. That is how you move forward.

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You lost the argument.

I love Tom Homan constantly thanking Gov. Walz and other Democratic leaders for their "unprecedented cooperation" in helping seize targets in their jails. For protesters opposing any cooperation, it is the equivalent of getting kissed by Marlon Brando...https://t.co/7VUFW9Faj6

— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) February 4, 2026

As the publicity fades, the Tokens are turning on the white womenz:
https://ohunashe.substack.com/p/dear-white-women-your-welling-meaning?r=6xdhop&utm_medium=ios&fbclid=IwY2xjawP46k9leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmTWx5eDBDV0hCYkZxakxyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHs7s_-FHreWORDnxeGAhx8xYNaobSx-MoHSfODzXehhy91iJYfawiM2ZUKMC_aem_MJ6fmo9NbJ-0gvkbWucxKA&triedRedirect=true

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As the publicity fades, the Tokens are turning on the white womenz:
https://ohunashe.substack.com/p/dear-white-women-your-welling-meaning?r=6xdhop&utm_medium=ios&fbclid=IwY2xjawP46k9leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmTWx5eDBDV0hCYkZxakxyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHs7s_-FHreWORDnxeGAhx8xYNaobSx-MoHSfODzXehhy91iJYfawiM2ZUKMC_aem_MJ6fmo9NbJ-0gvkbWucxKA&triedRedirect=true

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This is the author:


Ohun Ashe
@ohunashe

STL - Big 314 energy Black empowerment Queer AF Woman Plant Mom. Sharing my truth in mental health, advocacy, life reflections and a little politics.

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As the publicity fades, the Tokens are turning on the white womenz:
https://ohunashe.substack.com/p/dear-white-women-your-welling-meaning?r=6xdhop&utm_medium=ios&fbclid=IwY2xjawP46k9leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmTWx5eDBDV0hCYkZxakxyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHs7s_-FHreWORDnxeGAhx8xYNaobSx-MoHSfODzXehhy91iJYfawiM2ZUKMC_aem_MJ6fmo9NbJ-0gvkbWucxKA&triedRedirect=true

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This is the author:


Ohun Ashe
@ohunashe

STL - Big 314 energy Black empowerment Queer AF Woman Plant Mom. Sharing my truth in mental health, advocacy, life reflections and a little politics.

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Honest question (that will be ignored) - can anyone name a single city, state, country, or region where bleks have made it better than it was before they arrived? I will take one example.

BaylorFTW said:

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As the publicity fades, the Tokens are turning on the white womenz:
https://ohunashe.substack.com/p/dear-white-women-your-welling-meaning?r=6xdhop&utm_medium=ios&fbclid=IwY2xjawP46k9leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmTWx5eDBDV0hCYkZxakxyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHs7s_-FHreWORDnxeGAhx8xYNaobSx-MoHSfODzXehhy91iJYfawiM2ZUKMC_aem_MJ6fmo9NbJ-0gvkbWucxKA&triedRedirect=true

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This is the author:


Ohun Ashe
@ohunashe

STL - Big 314 energy Black empowerment Queer AF Woman Plant Mom. Sharing my truth in mental health, advocacy, life reflections and a little politics.

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I read the entire article this person wrote. It smacks of serious mental illness, and some "white women" are lapping it up.

She is kind of the Brenda Tracy of her movement.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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As the publicity fades, the Tokens are turning on the white womenz:
https://ohunashe.substack.com/p/dear-white-women-your-welling-meaning?r=6xdhop&utm_medium=ios&fbclid=IwY2xjawP46k9leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmTWx5eDBDV0hCYkZxakxyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHs7s_-FHreWORDnxeGAhx8xYNaobSx-MoHSfODzXehhy91iJYfawiM2ZUKMC_aem_MJ6fmo9NbJ-0gvkbWucxKA&triedRedirect=true

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This is the author:


Ohun Ashe
@ohunashe

STL - Big 314 energy Black empowerment Queer AF Woman Plant Mom. Sharing my truth in mental health, advocacy, life reflections and a little politics.

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Honest question (that will be ignored) - can anyone name a single city, state, country, or region where bleks have made it better than it was before they arrived? I will take one example.

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They would say places like Greenwood/Black Wall Street in Tulsa. More recent attempts to make similar type communities have struggled or failed. The most recent one I am aware of is Freedom, GA are https://atlantatribune.com/2024/05/06/freedom-ga-is-black-wall-street-of-the-new-south/ Don't know what will come of it.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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As the publicity fades, the Tokens are turning on the white womenz:
https://ohunashe.substack.com/p/dear-white-women-your-welling-meaning?r=6xdhop&utm_medium=ios&fbclid=IwY2xjawP46k9leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmTWx5eDBDV0hCYkZxakxyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHs7s_-FHreWORDnxeGAhx8xYNaobSx-MoHSfODzXehhy91iJYfawiM2ZUKMC_aem_MJ6fmo9NbJ-0gvkbWucxKA&triedRedirect=true

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This is the author:


Ohun Ashe
@ohunashe

STL - Big 314 energy Black empowerment Queer AF Woman Plant Mom. Sharing my truth in mental health, advocacy, life reflections and a little politics.

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Honest question (that will be ignored) - can anyone name a single city, state, country, or region where bleks have made it better than it was before they arrived? I will take one example.

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Cedar Hill Texas is a very nice town, with lower-than-average crime, higher than average income and a lot of outdoor activities to enjoy. Better or worse I don't know but it's a great town today.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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As the publicity fades, the Tokens are turning on the white womenz:
https://ohunashe.substack.com/p/dear-white-women-your-welling-meaning?r=6xdhop&utm_medium=ios&fbclid=IwY2xjawP46k9leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmTWx5eDBDV0hCYkZxakxyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHs7s_-FHreWORDnxeGAhx8xYNaobSx-MoHSfODzXehhy91iJYfawiM2ZUKMC_aem_MJ6fmo9NbJ-0gvkbWucxKA&triedRedirect=true

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This is the author:


Ohun Ashe
@ohunashe

STL - Big 314 energy Black empowerment Queer AF Woman Plant Mom. Sharing my truth in mental health, advocacy, life reflections and a little politics.

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Honest question (that will be ignored) - can anyone name a single city, state, country, or region where bleks have made it better than it was before they arrived? I will take one example.

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NFL
NBA
MLB

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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As the publicity fades, the Tokens are turning on the white womenz:
https://ohunashe.substack.com/p/dear-white-women-your-welling-meaning?r=6xdhop&utm_medium=ios&fbclid=IwY2xjawP46k9leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmTWx5eDBDV0hCYkZxakxyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHs7s_-FHreWORDnxeGAhx8xYNaobSx-MoHSfODzXehhy91iJYfawiM2ZUKMC_aem_MJ6fmo9NbJ-0gvkbWucxKA&triedRedirect=true

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This is the author:


Ohun Ashe
@ohunashe

STL - Big 314 energy Black empowerment Queer AF Woman Plant Mom. Sharing my truth in mental health, advocacy, life reflections and a little politics.

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Honest question (that will be ignored) - can anyone name a single city, state, country, or region where bleks have made it better than it was before they arrived? I will take one example.

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Going full on racists, huh???

Wow, Christian University...

FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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As the publicity fades, the Tokens are turning on the white womenz:
https://ohunashe.substack.com/p/dear-white-women-your-welling-meaning?r=6xdhop&utm_medium=ios&fbclid=IwY2xjawP46k9leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmTWx5eDBDV0hCYkZxakxyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHs7s_-FHreWORDnxeGAhx8xYNaobSx-MoHSfODzXehhy91iJYfawiM2ZUKMC_aem_MJ6fmo9NbJ-0gvkbWucxKA&triedRedirect=true

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This is the author:


Ohun Ashe
@ohunashe

STL - Big 314 energy Black empowerment Queer AF Woman Plant Mom. Sharing my truth in mental health, advocacy, life reflections and a little politics.

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Honest question (that will be ignored) - can anyone name a single city, state, country, or region where bleks have made it better than it was before they arrived? I will take one example.

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Going full on racists, huh???

Wow, Christian University...

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Help me out here.

How is his question racist ?

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As the publicity fades, the Tokens are turning on the white womenz:
https://ohunashe.substack.com/p/dear-white-women-your-welling-meaning?r=6xdhop&utm_medium=ios&fbclid=IwY2xjawP46k9leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFmTWx5eDBDV0hCYkZxakxyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHs7s_-FHreWORDnxeGAhx8xYNaobSx-MoHSfODzXehhy91iJYfawiM2ZUKMC_aem_MJ6fmo9NbJ-0gvkbWucxKA&triedRedirect=true

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This is the author:


Ohun Ashe
@ohunashe

STL - Big 314 energy Black empowerment Queer AF Woman Plant Mom. Sharing my truth in mental health, advocacy, life reflections and a little politics.

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Honest question (that will be ignored) - can anyone name a single city, state, country, or region where bleks have made it better than it was before they arrived? I will take one example.

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Going full on racists, huh???

Wow, Christian University...

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Help me out here.

How is his question racist ?

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The guy asks one place blacks made better and that is not race oriented?