We don't know the extent of their nuclear program now, but it's safe to say we did when the deal was in effect. No one has ever built a nuclear weapon while under active inspections. Of course Iran could build a nuke very quickly if they actually wanted to, and I expect they soon will.

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We don't know the extent of their nuclear program now, but it's safe to say we did when the deal was in effect. No one has ever built a nuclear weapon while under active inspections. Of course Iran could build a nuke very quickly if they actually wanted to, and I expect they soon will.

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If you believe that, then it's all the more reason for the U.S. and Israel to finish the job.

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We need to finish the job because we opened Pandoras Box. there is no going back to the status quo. Iran will be at war with us in perpetuity. Trump started this mess, he has to finish it.

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We don't know the extent of their nuclear program now, but it's safe to say we did when the deal was in effect. No one has ever built a nuclear weapon while under active inspections. Of course Iran could build a nuke very quickly if they actually wanted to, and I expect they soon will.

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If you believe that, then it's all the more reason for the U.S. and Israel to finish the job.

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I agree.

IDF boots on the ground now!... while American servicemen provide moral support from a safe distance

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We don't know the extent of their nuclear program now, but it's safe to say we did when the deal was in effect. No one has ever built a nuclear weapon while under active inspections. Of course Iran could build a nuke very quickly if they actually wanted to, and I expect they soon will.

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We didn't know the extent of their nuclear program when the deal was in place. We found out the details of Iran's program that were hidden for many years when Israeli intelligence flat-out stole Iran's nuclear archive. This knowledge drove, in large part, the US decision to withdraw from the deal.

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We don't know the extent of their nuclear program now, but it's safe to say we did when the deal was in effect. No one has ever built a nuclear weapon while under active inspections. Of course Iran could build a nuke very quickly if they actually wanted to, and I expect they soon will.

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If you believe that, then it's all the more reason for the U.S. and Israel to finish the job.

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Good luck. Unfortunately there is an element of truth in DC's post. If Iran truly decides to build a nuke, we're not likely to stop them short of regime change (which doesn't seem imminent).

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We don't know the extent of their nuclear program now, but it's safe to say we did when the deal was in effect. No one has ever built a nuclear weapon while under active inspections. Of course Iran could build a nuke very quickly if they actually wanted to, and I expect they soon will.

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We didn't know the extent of their nuclear program when the deal was in place. We found out the details of Iran's program that were hidden for many years when Israeli intelligence flat-out stole Iran's nuclear archive. This knowledge drove, in large part, the US decision to withdraw from the deal.

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What they stole was just that, an archive. It served as a pretext for withdrawal, but it contained no evidence of treaty violations and was news to no one.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/world/middleeast/israel-iran-nuclear-netanyahu.html

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We don't know the extent of their nuclear program now, but it's safe to say we did when the deal was in effect. No one has ever built a nuclear weapon while under active inspections. Of course Iran could build a nuke very quickly if they actually wanted to, and I expect they soon will.

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If you believe that, then it's all the more reason for the U.S. and Israel to finish the job.

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We need to finish the job because we opened Pandoras Box. there is no going back to the status quo. Iran will be at war with us in perpetuity. Trump started this mess, he has to finish it.

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There's an offramp. We can go several rounds every time there's an indication of movement toward a weapon or missile tech or even broaden it to zero military tolerance. No more inspectors, just a Carte Blanche to asymmetrically respond.

Finishing the job is a near impossibility. This is Gaza x 1000. No one has the fortitude for it, and it's fair to ask if anyone should have it. But to draw an analogy, WWII never would have ended if we destroyed the German military, taken out their leadership structure, decimated their internal infrastructure, but its people and society continued to rally around Nazism and its ideals.

During WW2 gas was strictly rationed.

hey peeps.Donnie here. I know I started this war and FUBAR'd the global oil market. I know I started it, but would you good nations come help me mine sweep the straight. what do you people mean no? What you need plan? I know I have offed you time and time again, but I need you now...allies. oh sorry I treated you so poorly

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We don't know the extent of their nuclear program now, but it's safe to say we did when the deal was in effect. No one has ever built a nuclear weapon while under active inspections. Of course Iran could build a nuke very quickly if they actually wanted to, and I expect they soon will.

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If you believe that, then it's all the more reason for the U.S. and Israel to finish the job.

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We need to finish the job because we opened Pandoras Box. there is no going back to the status quo. Iran will be at war with us in perpetuity. Trump started this mess, he has to finish it.

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There's an offramp. We can go several rounds every time there's an indication of movement toward a weapon or missile tech or even broaden it to zero military tolerance. No more inspectors, just a Carte Blanche to asymmetrically respond.

Finishing the job is a near impossibility. This is Gaza x 1000. No one has the fortitude for it, and it's fair to ask if anyone should have it. But to draw an analogy, WWII never would have ended if we destroyed the German military, taken out their leadership structure, decimated their internal infrastructure, but its people and society continued to rally around Nazism and its ideals.

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You are right. There is a reason I use Pandoras Box, once open it unleashed hell that cant be controlled. This was no small act.

He now is trying to use other agreements to shame Japan, S Korea and NATO into getting into it. Those agreements are just as much in our interest. We are now extorting assistance.

He is going to destroy 80 years of security agreements in less than 18 months. We had 80 years of relative peace and Trump amd Real Man Pete are going to trash it all over a real estate deal for his son in law.

But still better than Biden? At what point does that math start to become questionable? This is typical Trump, a pattern back to the 70's. My fear is this has been Bannon's plan all along.

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During WW2 gas was strictly rationed.

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Everything was, at least essential goods were

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President Trump: “You have to remember, we have 45,000 troops in Japan, 45,000 in South Korea, and 50,000 in Germany.”

We defend all these countries, and then I ask them: “Do you have any minesweepers?”

They say, “Well, would it be possible for us not to get involved?” pic.twitter.com/KgcCCN8QTO

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) March 16, 2026

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It's not unreasonable to expect every country that depends on oil from the Gulf to help escort their tankers through the Gulf. We don't get oil from there anymore because of our large volume of domestic production. In defending Gulf shipping, we are acting on behalf of everyone else.

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Nobody asked Trump to do this. There was no coalition. There was no discussion with allies on support. He started a war with Iran because he felt it in his bones, and Netanyahu told him to do so.

I decided to remove a dam without telling you, and now we have flooding problems. It will be in your benefit for the flooding to stop as now your property floods worse than mine. So, pay for it. Your share is... Sound reasonable?

My money is you would be pissed and even possibly sue me. He caused this mess without getting any support. You guys see nothing wrong here?

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spot on. that is the most embarrassing thing for even piggy. I seriously doubt piggy has ever had friends as it is on display how not to mistreat, threaten, name calling others when you, piggy unilaterally treat people like total chit, now you expect them to bail you out of the straight problems and gasoline price increase which will sink you. I'd tell Piggy to eff off if I were the other countries. Go at it alone Piggy. Oh, and Piggy, thanks for spending 2 Billion per day on this freaking boondoggle.

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President Trump: “You have to remember, we have 45,000 troops in Japan, 45,000 in South Korea, and 50,000 in Germany.”

We defend all these countries, and then I ask them: “Do you have any minesweepers?”

They say, “Well, would it be possible for us not to get involved?” pic.twitter.com/KgcCCN8QTO

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) March 16, 2026

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It's not unreasonable to expect every country that depends on oil from the Gulf to help escort their tankers through the Gulf. We don't get oil from there anymore because of our large volume of domestic production. In defending Gulf shipping, we are acting on behalf of everyone else.

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Nobody asked Trump to do this. There was no coalition. There was no discussion with allies on support. He started a war with Iran because he felt it in his bones, and Netanyahu told him to do so.

I decided to remove a dam without telling you, and now we have flooding problems. It will be in your benefit for the flooding to stop as now your property floods worse than mine. So, pay for it. Your share is... Sound reasonable?

My money is you would be pissed and even possibly sue me. He caused this mess without getting any support. You guys see nothing wrong here?

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If the Washington Post reporting is accurate, Saudi Arabia did.

I see plenty wrong here, but I also recognize that we kicked the can down the road for many, many years with half measures and hopium.

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You don't think there is a reason that can has been kicked? That maybe Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump 1, Biden all stayed away from this action for a reason? Maybe that it is a no win situation. The generations that came before were not idiots and not all corrupt like the Trump people want us to believe. If taking out Iran was doable, it would have been done.

This myth that everything done before MAGA was some corrupt plot is ridiculous. Decisions were made based on the conditions of the time.

Tuesday AM Update

"Further ominous developments today. For the first time, Iran successfully targeted oil and gas production facilities, rather than refining, terminals, and storage," Bloomberg Opinion and commodities columnist Javier Blas wrote on X.

Blas listed the IRGC's attacks on Gulf oil and gas facilities:

• Oil and gas field in the UAE (Shah) hit
• Oil field in Iraq (Majnoon) attacked
• Plus Saudi Arabia saw large drone swarms

He explained that these attacks suggest "Iran has started a new phase of its oil war" against Gulf states aligned with the US.

🚨 JUST IN: Shah oil field in UAE is burning after Iranian drone strikes - The war is now almost impossible for anyone to contain. pic.twitter.com/47wVpfUlo5

— 𝐓𝐌𝐓 (@TMT_arabic) March 16, 2026

Last week, we highlighted JPMorgan's head of commodity research, Natasha Kaneva, who warned that policy measures will have, at best, a limited impact on oil prices unless safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz is assured, given the potential for up to 12 mbd in losses over the next two weeks.

Kaneva noted that Strait traffic is likely to become "increasingly conditional," with Iran permitting passage for some vessels depending on their affiliation.

"The biggest risk in the market is the Strait of Hormuz remaining constrained for a longer stretch and the market feeling the US and its allies have a limited capacity to alter the dynamic," Pepperstone Group analyst Chris Weston said.

Trump's move to reopen the Hormuz chokepoint with a naval coalition largely fell flat at the start of the week. Allied countries, including Australia, Germany, and Japan, said they weren't planning to send their warships through the critical waterway to shadow commercial tanker traffic.

In the US, the effects of an energy shock from the Middle East, according to new AAA data, show regular gas at the pump has jumped the most for any single month on record, up 25% so far in March.

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President Trump: “You have to remember, we have 45,000 troops in Japan, 45,000 in South Korea, and 50,000 in Germany.”

We defend all these countries, and then I ask them: “Do you have any minesweepers?”

They say, “Well, would it be possible for us not to get involved?” pic.twitter.com/KgcCCN8QTO

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) March 16, 2026

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It's not unreasonable to expect every country that depends on oil from the Gulf to help escort their tankers through the Gulf. We don't get oil from there anymore because of our large volume of domestic production. In defending Gulf shipping, we are acting on behalf of everyone else.

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Nobody asked Trump to do this. There was no coalition. There was no discussion with allies on support. He started a war with Iran because he felt it in his bones, and Netanyahu told him to do so.

I decided to remove a dam without telling you, and now we have flooding problems. It will be in your benefit for the flooding to stop as now your property floods worse than mine. So, pay for it. Your share is... Sound reasonable?

My money is you would be pissed and even possibly sue me. He caused this mess without getting any support. You guys see nothing wrong here?

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If the Washington Post reporting is accurate, Saudi Arabia did.

I see plenty wrong here, but I also recognize that we kicked the can down the road for many, many years with half measures and hopium.

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Believe you are correct.

Now that we have begun this war….it is vitally important that we win it.

However years of Israeli financial contributions to members of congress are a matter of record.

And our military should not be obligated to serve foreign masters as a result of such payoffs.

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President Trump: “You have to remember, we have 45,000 troops in Japan, 45,000 in South Korea, and 50,000 in Germany.”

We defend all these countries, and then I ask them: “Do you have any minesweepers?”

They say, “Well, would it be possible for us not to get involved?” pic.twitter.com/KgcCCN8QTO

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) March 16, 2026

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It's not unreasonable to expect every country that depends on oil from the Gulf to help escort their tankers through the Gulf. We don't get oil from there anymore because of our large volume of domestic production. In defending Gulf shipping, we are acting on behalf of everyone else.

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we do still get quite a bit of oil from the gulf. Our refineries are literally built to refine crude from there, Canada and Venezuela. Our own crude is primarily exported because we literally can't refine it.

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The UK, France, and Australia have refused to send ships.

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Strange since UK and Australia possess no oil productivity.

Oh well.


Destroy Iranian oil facilities.

Won't take much effort at all.

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Why?

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For the same reason we sank all of Japan's oil tankers during WW2

To cut off the life blood of their military and economy.

This is not remotely a tough decision.

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I thought the purpose here was removing the nuclear threat... not slaughtering millions of people or raise the cost of oil to 100 a barrel.

Unlike Japan, Iran didnt attack America. America attacked Iran.

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Iran has been attacking us for the better part of half a century.

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That's news to me... I've lived in this country for the nearly 4 decades and never knew Iran had been attacking me this entire time. When did this happen? When did Iran attack American soil?

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1979.

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Embassies and consulates are US soil.

We have just indicted Iranian agents who planned to assassinate Trump last year.

Are we prepared to allow hostile powers to abduct or kill American citizens at will?

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President Trump: “You have to remember, we have 45,000 troops in Japan, 45,000 in South Korea, and 50,000 in Germany.”

We defend all these countries, and then I ask them: “Do you have any minesweepers?”

They say, “Well, would it be possible for us not to get involved?” pic.twitter.com/KgcCCN8QTO

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) March 16, 2026

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It's not unreasonable to expect every country that depends on oil from the Gulf to help escort their tankers through the Gulf. We don't get oil from there anymore because of our large volume of domestic production. In defending Gulf shipping, we are acting on behalf of everyone else.

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Nobody asked Trump to do this. There was no coalition. There was no discussion with allies on support. He started a war with Iran because he felt it in his bones, and Netanyahu told him to do so.

I decided to remove a dam without telling you, and now we have flooding problems. It will be in your benefit for the flooding to stop as now your property floods worse than mine. So, pay for it. Your share is... Sound reasonable?

My money is you would be pissed and even possibly sue me. He caused this mess without getting any support. You guys see nothing wrong here?

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If the Washington Post reporting is accurate, Saudi Arabia did.

I see plenty wrong here, but I also recognize that we kicked the can down the road for many, many years with half measures and hopium.

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Boomers have also kicked the can down the road with the national debt... since you all seem to finally be in the mood to confront your biggest messes, I am hoping we see substantive payments made by Boomers and Israel to reduce this massive burden instead of more half measures and false hope

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boognish_bear said:

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President Trump: “You have to remember, we have 45,000 troops in Japan, 45,000 in South Korea, and 50,000 in Germany.”

We defend all these countries, and then I ask them: “Do you have any minesweepers?”

They say, “Well, would it be possible for us not to get involved?” pic.twitter.com/KgcCCN8QTO

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) March 16, 2026

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It's not unreasonable to expect every country that depends on oil from the Gulf to help escort their tankers through the Gulf. We don't get oil from there anymore because of our large volume of domestic production. In defending Gulf shipping, we are acting on behalf of everyone else.

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Nobody asked Trump to do this. There was no coalition. There was no discussion with allies on support. He started a war with Iran because he felt it in his bones, and Netanyahu told him to do so.

I decided to remove a dam without telling you, and now we have flooding problems. It will be in your benefit for the flooding to stop as now your property floods worse than mine. So, pay for it. Your share is... Sound reasonable?

My money is you would be pissed and even possibly sue me. He caused this mess without getting any support. You guys see nothing wrong here?

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If the Washington Post reporting is accurate, Saudi Arabia did.

I see plenty wrong here, but I also recognize that we kicked the can down the road for many, many years with half measures and hopium.

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Boomers have also kicked the can down the road with the national debt... since you all seem to finally be in the mood to confront your biggest messes, I am hoping we see substantive payments made by Boomers and Israel to reduce this massive burden instead of more half measures and false hope

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I thought DOGE, Tariffs and taxes took care of that???

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It should have but Trump is a giant ****-up

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President Trump: “You have to remember, we have 45,000 troops in Japan, 45,000 in South Korea, and 50,000 in Germany.”

We defend all these countries, and then I ask them: “Do you have any minesweepers?”

They say, “Well, would it be possible for us not to get involved?” pic.twitter.com/KgcCCN8QTO

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) March 16, 2026

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It's not unreasonable to expect every country that depends on oil from the Gulf to help escort their tankers through the Gulf. We don't get oil from there anymore because of our large volume of domestic production. In defending Gulf shipping, we are acting on behalf of everyone else.

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Nobody asked Trump to do this. There was no coalition. There was no discussion with allies on support. He started a war with Iran because he felt it in his bones, and Netanyahu told him to do so.

I decided to remove a dam without telling you, and now we have flooding problems. It will be in your benefit for the flooding to stop as now your property floods worse than mine. So, pay for it. Your share is... Sound reasonable?

My money is you would be pissed and even possibly sue me. He caused this mess without getting any support. You guys see nothing wrong here?

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If the Washington Post reporting is accurate, Saudi Arabia did.

I see plenty wrong here, but I also recognize that we kicked the can down the road for many, many years with half measures and hopium.

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Boomers have also kicked the can down the road with the national debt... since you all seem to finally be in the mood to confront your biggest messes, I am hoping we see substantive payments made by Boomers and Israel to reduce this massive burden instead of more half measures and false hope

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I thought DOGE, Tariffs and taxes took care of that???

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It should have but Trump is a giant ****-up

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Well, we are on the same page there. For 11.7 Billion a week that Iran is costing us we could have gathered up every illegal and tossed them out.

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Exactly.

Real America First conservatives were against this Israel First folly.