Syria Heating Up
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Last: 4 yr ago by HuMcK
ISIS? No big deal, sounds like Europe's problem.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
quash said:
ISIS? No big deal, sounds like Europe's problem.
I'm not generally shocked by the stupid things Trump says anymore, but that one raised my eyebrows a bit. Just another outrageous thing for his supporters to pretend he never said or meant.
And, because memory is defective around here, the last time President Trump tried to withdraw from Syria on a whim his Sec. of Defense resigned.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
On a whim? He's been telling his generals to prepare for a couple of years now.quash said:
And, because memory is defective around here, the last time President Trump tried to withdraw from Syria on a whim his Sec. of Defense resigned.
What's the best outcome for Israel?
That's Trump's primary concern
MIGA !!
That's Trump's primary concern
MIGA !!
I have a stupid question for anyone on either side. Have not read the entire thread and this may have already been addressed. Why is Syrian President Bashar al-Assad not lifting a finger to stop a foreign invasion in his country? Does he hate the Kurds that much that he is willing to give up Syrian territory to Turkey?
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
The group Turkey is going after right now is the US-aligned SDF (Syrian Democratic Forces, mostly comprised of Kurdish YPG militias, which are seperate and distinct from the Kurdish PKK that gives Turkey a lot of troubles domestically), which are explicitly opposed to Assad. A) Assad doesn't have the capability to do anything about it (although his Russian masters are moving into that area too from the south-west), and B) he is content to let Turkey wipe out his enemies in Northeast Syria for him.
The Kurdish militia is a front for the PKK, an anarcho-communist terrorist group seeking to overthrow the government of Turkey. Assad mostly cooperates with Turkey because Syria depends on Turkey for its water supply.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I have a stupid question for anyone on either side. Have not read the entire thread and this may have already been addressed. Why is Syrian President Bashar al-Assad not lifting a finger to stop a foreign invasion in his country? Does he hate the Kurds that much that he is willing to give up Syrian territory to Turkey?
Thank you HuMcK and Sam. Man, this Middle East mess is complicated!
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Sam Lowry said:The Kurdish militia is a front for the PKK, an anarcho-communist terrorist group seeking to overthrow the government of Turkey. Assad mostly cooperates with Turkey because Syria depends on Turkey for its water supply.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I have a stupid question for anyone on either side. Have not read the entire thread and this may have already been addressed. Why is Syrian President Bashar al-Assad not lifting a finger to stop a foreign invasion in his country? Does he hate the Kurds that much that he is willing to give up Syrian territory to Turkey?
And Putin has committed to protecting the territorial integrity of Syria. Assad has to do nothing.
The big question is...will Putin force Turkey to pull back after or attack a NATO country?
Yes, he did it once without consulting them, reversed himself, and Mattis resigned over it. This time the chain of command learned through a tweet. Poor leadership.Sam Lowry said:On a whim? He's been telling his generals to prepare for a couple of years now.quash said:
And, because memory is defective around here, the last time President Trump tried to withdraw from Syria on a whim his Sec. of Defense resigned.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
I don't think Turkey is doing this for territory. Their goal is the PKK, but they are bombing and shelling non-PKK forces. And civilians. Our former allies.YoakDaddy said:Sam Lowry said:The Kurdish militia is a front for the PKK, an anarcho-communist terrorist group seeking to overthrow the government of Turkey. Assad mostly cooperates with Turkey because Syria depends on Turkey for its water supply.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I have a stupid question for anyone on either side. Have not read the entire thread and this may have already been addressed. Why is Syrian President Bashar al-Assad not lifting a finger to stop a foreign invasion in his country? Does he hate the Kurds that much that he is willing to give up Syrian territory to Turkey?
And Putin has committed to protecting the territorial integrity of Syria. Assad has to do nothing.
The big question is...will Putin force Turkey to pull back after or attack a NATO country?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
quash said:I don't think Turkey is doing this for territory. Their goal is the PKK, but they are bombing and shelling non-PKK forces. And civilians. Our former allies.YoakDaddy said:Sam Lowry said:The Kurdish militia is a front for the PKK, an anarcho-communist terrorist group seeking to overthrow the government of Turkey. Assad mostly cooperates with Turkey because Syria depends on Turkey for its water supply.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I have a stupid question for anyone on either side. Have not read the entire thread and this may have already been addressed. Why is Syrian President Bashar al-Assad not lifting a finger to stop a foreign invasion in his country? Does he hate the Kurds that much that he is willing to give up Syrian territory to Turkey?
And Putin has committed to protecting the territorial integrity of Syria. Assad has to do nothing.
The big question is...will Putin force Turkey to pull back after or attack a NATO country?
He's trying to carve out that area to resettle Sunnis back to Syria.
Only Congress can declare war. If they are so concerned about the U.S. abandoning the Kurds, they should have a vote, declare war on Syria, and send thousands of Americans to Northern Syria.
If Congress feels that strongly about it, they should vote on it and do it. Kind of like impeachment. Stop talking. Take some action.
If Congress feels that strongly about it, they should vote on it and do it. Kind of like impeachment. Stop talking. Take some action.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
riflebear said:
One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Looks like Erdogan is coming to the table asking for negotiations with Kurds...
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I have a stupid question for anyone on either side. Have not read the entire thread and this may have already been addressed. Why is Syrian President Bashar al-Assad not lifting a finger to stop a foreign invasion in his country? Does he hate the Kurds that much that he is willing to give up Syrian territory to Turkey?
He is. He's now working with the Kurds. Before the Kurds deal, he was holding on to the land he could.
Because he is fighting his civil war against dozens of other groups but Turkey fighting the Kurds weakens a major opponent of his and strengthens his chances of staying in power/winning the war.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I have a stupid question for anyone on either side. Have not read the entire thread and this may have already been addressed. Why is Syrian President Bashar al-Assad not lifting a finger to stop a foreign invasion in his country? Does he hate the Kurds that much that he is willing to give up Syrian territory to Turkey?
Plus this isn't about land for Turkey. It is about taking out the Kurds so they don't launch terror attacks in Turkey.
One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.quash said:riflebear said:
One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.
three- No it doesn't
four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
1. Trump said "I consulted everybody." I don't care if he has to or not, but he said he did and it turns out that he didn't. That is a lie.cowboycwr said:One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.quash said:riflebear said:
One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.
three- No it doesn't
four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
2. The Kurds are being hurt. The Kurds were an ally. Which of those statements is untrue?
3. Yes it does. Putin is helping his ally. That strengthens him.
4.I don't care where you start on the scale of stabililty, instability has increased. We don't have to support anybody.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
The same exact "experts" who sold us the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan are regurgitating exactly your position on this.quash said:1. Trump said "I consulted everybody." I don't care if he has to or not, but he said he did and it turns out that he didn't. That is a lie.cowboycwr said:One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.quash said:riflebear said:
One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.
three- No it doesn't
four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
2. The Kurds are being hurt. The Kurds were an ally. Which of those statements is untrue?
3. Yes it does. Putin is helping his ally. That strengthens him.
4.I don't care where you start on the scale of stabililty, instability has increased. We don't have to support anybody.
How smart.
Endless wars, the new libertarian position! You might as well write a check to Lockheed.
They may agree with me now, they didn't when I opposed the second Iraq war, or staying in Afghanistan without an exit strategy.Doc Holliday said:The same exact "experts" who sold us the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan are regurgitating exactly your position on this.quash said:1. Trump said "I consulted everybody." I don't care if he has to or not, but he said he did and it turns out that he didn't. That is a lie.cowboycwr said:One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.quash said:riflebear said:
One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.
three- No it doesn't
four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
2. The Kurds are being hurt. The Kurds were an ally. Which of those statements is untrue?
3. Yes it does. Putin is helping his ally. That strengthens him.
4.I don't care where you start on the scale of stabililty, instability has increased. We don't have to support anybody.
How smart.
Endless wars, the new libertarian position! You might as well write a check to Lockheed.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Those people don't have an exit strategy with Syria.quash said:They may agree with me now, they didn't when I opposed the second Iraq war, or staying in Afghanistan without an exit strategy.Doc Holliday said:The same exact "experts" who sold us the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan are regurgitating exactly your position on this.quash said:1. Trump said "I consulted everybody." I don't care if he has to or not, but he said he did and it turns out that he didn't. That is a lie.cowboycwr said:One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.quash said:riflebear said:
One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.
three- No it doesn't
four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
2. The Kurds are being hurt. The Kurds were an ally. Which of those statements is untrue?
3. Yes it does. Putin is helping his ally. That strengthens him.
4.I don't care where you start on the scale of stabililty, instability has increased. We don't have to support anybody.
How smart.
Endless wars, the new libertarian position! You might as well write a check to Lockheed.
What is your appropriate exit strategy?
Don't go in.Doc Holliday said:Those people don't have an exit strategy with Syria.quash said:They may agree with me now, they didn't when I opposed the second Iraq war, or staying in Afghanistan without an exit strategy.Doc Holliday said:The same exact "experts" who sold us the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan are regurgitating exactly your position on this.quash said:1. Trump said "I consulted everybody." I don't care if he has to or not, but he said he did and it turns out that he didn't. That is a lie.cowboycwr said:One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.quash said:riflebear said:
One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.
three- No it doesn't
four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
2. The Kurds are being hurt. The Kurds were an ally. Which of those statements is untrue?
3. Yes it does. Putin is helping his ally. That strengthens him.
4.I don't care where you start on the scale of stabililty, instability has increased. We don't have to support anybody.
How smart.
Endless wars, the new libertarian position! You might as well write a check to Lockheed.
What is your appropriate exit strategy?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat