Syria Heating Up

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Waco1947
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cowboycwr said:

quash said:

riflebear said:



One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.

two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.

three- No it doesn't

four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
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Waco1947
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Good Lord we lefties hate war but the sane among us know that it is necessary. The Middle East is a hornets nest and all our President has is a bat.
He's an incompetent idiot with no strategy or policy I would like to know who sold him on pulling out of Syria.
If you know dt's Policy please, please let the rest of us know.
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Waco1947 said:

Good Lord we lefties hate war but the sane among us know that it is necessary. The Middle East is a hornets nest and all our President has is a bat.
He's an incompetent idiot with no strategy or policy I would like to know who sold him on pulling out of Syria.
If you know dt's Policy please, please let the rest of us know.


Trump's policy is no unnecessary loss of US life and bringing troops home. He campaigned on it and he's fulfilling his promise to not get us entangled into something that isn't our affair.
quash
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YoakDaddy said:

Waco1947 said:

Good Lord we lefties hate war but the sane among us know that it is necessary. The Middle East is a hornets nest and all our President has is a bat.
He's an incompetent idiot with no strategy or policy I would like to know who sold him on pulling out of Syria.
If you know dt's Policy please, please let the rest of us know.


Trump's policy is no unnecessary loss of US life and bringing troops home. He campaigned on it and he's fulfilling his promise to not get us entangled into something that isn't our affair.
Like Yemen...
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
cowboycwr
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quash said:

cowboycwr said:

quash said:

riflebear said:



One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.

two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.

three- No it doesn't

four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
1. Trump said "I consulted everybody." I don't care if he has to or not, but he said he did and it turns out that he didn't. That is a lie.
2. The Kurds are being hurt. The Kurds were an ally. Which of those statements is untrue?
3. Yes it does. Putin is helping his ally. That strengthens him.
4.I don't care where you start on the scale of stabililty, instability has increased. We don't have to support anybody.

1. He consulted everyone who matters. But somehow you and the other libs think Presidents call up low generals to discuss strategy. They don't.

2. What country was/is our ally? What treaty did they become our ally? So no our ally is not being hurt.

3. Nope still wrong here.

4. and wrong here. As usual.
cowboycwr
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Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

quash said:

riflebear said:



One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.

two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.

three- No it doesn't

four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
US MIlitary Base
Oh look another post from 47 that makes zero sense and adds nothing to the discussion.
Kyle
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This is a good one that describes at least five posters:
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-blamed-for-causing-conflict-in-usually-peaceful-middle-east?fbclid=IwAR1EnJac3jQ2zhV4CcW8eI03UmWEeVSFxfXzWuynQtkperpBzwubGNOWXnc


U.S.After Trump moved some troops from Northern Syria, he was immediately blamed for causing violence in the typically peaceful Middle East.

Syria, which was known around the world as an idyllic paradise until January 20, 2017 at 12:00 PM EST, is now in shambles thanks to some minor troop reassignments. Trump tried to restablize the Middle East by announcing a deployment of 2,000 U.S. troops to defend the famed bastion of democracy and freedom Saudi Arabia, but it was too late. The damage had been done.

"It's sad that the usually serene resort destination of Syria has been transformed into a war-torn hellscape under Trump," said Hillary Clinton. "Under my watch, the Middle East was basically a big golf resort."

Barack Obama and George W. Bush joined in their condemnation of what Trump has done to the Middle East.

"It's like they say in Texas," said Bush. "Attack Iraq once, shame on me. Attack it twice, well, then you won't get attacked again."

"Trump has betrayed our allies, the Kurds," said one man in Arizona who had just googled "who are the Kurds" a few minutes before. "Look at all this violence he's causing in the usually utopian paradise of Syria."

The nation has called on Trump to allow U.S. soldiers to stick around for another few centuries in order to bring our various conflicts to a satisfactory conclusion.

At publishing time, the Pentagon had issued a reminder to the nation that "we've always been at war with Turkey."
Waco1947
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cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

quash said:

riflebear said:



One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.

two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.

three- No it doesn't

four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
US MIlitary Base
Oh look another post from 47 that makes zero sense and adds nothing to the discussion.
The US base kept the peace.
quash
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cowboycwr said:

quash said:

cowboycwr said:

quash said:

riflebear said:



One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.

two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.

three- No it doesn't

four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
1. Trump said "I consulted everybody." I don't care if he has to or not, but he said he did and it turns out that he didn't. That is a lie.
2. The Kurds are being hurt. The Kurds were an ally. Which of those statements is untrue?
3. Yes it does. Putin is helping his ally. That strengthens him.
4.I don't care where you start on the scale of stabililty, instability has increased. We don't have to support anybody.

1. He consulted everyone who matters. But somehow you and the other libs think Presidents call up low generals to discuss strategy. They don't.

2. What country was/is our ally? What treaty did they become our ally? So no our ally is not being hurt.

3. Nope still wrong here.

4. and wrong here. As usual.
1. Who did he consult, and what is your source?
Remember, Trump claimed to have consulted with "everybody" and said the UK was "thrilled". "Asked whether Downing Street agreed with Mr Trump's characterisation of the UK response, prime minister Boris Johnson's official spokesman said: "We are deeply concerned by reports that Turkey intends to launch a military operation in north-east Syria. We do not support the proposed Turkish action and we are in close touch with international partners including the US, France and Germany. The UK has been consistently clear with Turkey that unilateral military action must be avoided because it would destabilise the region and threaten efforts to secure the lasting defeat of Daesh."

2. We don't need no stinkin' treaties. The Kurds were instrumental in achieving our aims in the region. You can play word games about who is an ally. See Luke 10:29.

3. Sez you. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-russia-analysis/for-putin-turkish-move-into-syria-a-chance-to-ramp-up-middle-east-role-idUSKBN1WP2NB

4, Again, just because you say so?
"The president's remarks contradicted the official assessment of both the state and defence departments that the Turkish offensive was a disaster for regional stability and the fight against Isis."
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
LIB,MR BEARS
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Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

quash said:

riflebear said:



One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.

two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.

three- No it doesn't

four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
US MIlitary Base
Oh look another post from 47 that makes zero sense and adds nothing to the discussion.
The US base kept the peace.
What is this peace you speak of? Can you describe it as it has been applied in Syria?
HuMcK
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LIB,MR BEARS
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HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?
HuMcK
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?

If you know differently then please share.
quash
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HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?

If you know differently then please share.
Wouldn't surprise me, soldiers disable or destroy downed equipment to prevent it falling into enemy hands.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
YoakDaddy
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Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

quash said:

riflebear said:



One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.

two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.

three- No it doesn't

four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
US MIlitary Base
Oh look another post from 47 that makes zero sense and adds nothing to the discussion.
The US base kept the peace.

Keep in mind that's the base with 50 nukes that Putin doesn't like being there so close.
LIB,MR BEARS
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HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?

If you know differently then please share.
Operation Eagle Claw
Operation Frequent Wind
Evacuation of US Embassy in Yemen

Finding those three took about 4-5 minutes. I can certainly understand a reporter not having that much time to research something before making a false statement. I can also understand you lapping it up because it matches what you want to believe.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?
Another example of what I've been saying. What would be standard procedure for any other president is a scandal when Trump does it.
HuMcK
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?

If you know differently then please share.
Operation Eagle Claw
Operation Frequent Wind
Evacuation of US Embassy in Yemen

Finding those three took about 4-5 minutes. I can certainly understand a reporter not having that much time to research something before making a false statement. I can also understand you lapping it up because it matches what you want to believe.

So that's a failed hostage rescue in Iran, the evacuation of Saigon, and an embassy evacuation. What am I missing, how are any of those remotely similar to us airstriking our own vehicles and ammo dumps on purpose? I get that we scuttled some helicopters in those events, but I don't remember ever reading about doing it via airborne ordinance.
LIB,MR BEARS
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HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?

If you know differently then please share.
Operation Eagle Claw
Operation Frequent Wind
Evacuation of US Embassy in Yemen

Finding those three took about 4-5 minutes. I can certainly understand a reporter not having that much time to research something before making a false statement. I can also understand you lapping it up because it matches what you want to believe.

So that's a failed hostage rescue in Iran, the evacuation of Saigon, and an embassy evacuation. What am I missing, how are any of those remotely similar to us airstriking our own vehicles and ammo dumps on purpose? I get that we scuttled some helicopters in those events, but I don't remember ever reading about doing it via airborne ordinance.
Multiple time in Korea and WWII. And, to paraphrase HRC, what difference does the method make.
LIB,MR BEARS
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HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?

If you know differently then please share.
Operation Eagle Claw
Operation Frequent Wind
Evacuation of US Embassy in Yemen

Finding those three took about 4-5 minutes. I can certainly understand a reporter not having that much time to research something before making a false statement. I can also understand you lapping it up because it matches what you want to believe.

So that's a failed hostage rescue in Iran, the evacuation of Saigon, and an embassy evacuation. What am I missing, how are any of those remotely similar to us airstriking our own vehicles and ammo dumps on purpose? I get that we scuttled some helicopters in those events, but I don't remember ever reading about doing it via airborne ordinance.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/8/8/5982501/the-us-is-now-bombing-its-own-military-equipment-in-iraq
Waco1947
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?
immaterial if it's first or one hundredth. It was a stupid dt decision that led to the destruction of our equipment
Waco1947
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Luke 10:29 29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"
Or Genesis 4: Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"

"I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
LIB,MR BEARS
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Drink up 47.

I didn't take a position on Trump ordering the withdrawal. I was addressing the reporter saying "first time" which, is a complete lie and another example of TDS.

I'm not taking a side in this because it is the ME and a complete mess. I don't like the idea of leaving someone who fought for us, as GB41 also did. But, I honestly don't know what the right thing is for us to do. The only one's in the ME I am for is Israel and I know that has to rub you the wrong way also.
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Letter to Erdogan. I'm shocked that a letter this simplistic came from the White House.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/16/trump-letter-erdogan-turkey-invasion
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tommie said:

Letter to Erdogan. I'm shocked that a letter this simplistic came from the White House.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/16/trump-letter-erdogan-turkey-invasion

"Don't be a tough guy."
Sounds like the fake Tony Soprano
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robby44 said:

tommie said:

Letter to Erdogan. I'm shocked that a letter this simplistic came from the White House.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/16/trump-letter-erdogan-turkey-invasion

"Don't be a tough guy."
Sounds like the fake Tony Soprano


I will call you later.
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HuMcK
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?

If you know differently then please share.
Operation Eagle Claw
Operation Frequent Wind
Evacuation of US Embassy in Yemen

Finding those three took about 4-5 minutes. I can certainly understand a reporter not having that much time to research something before making a false statement. I can also understand you lapping it up because it matches what you want to believe.

So that's a failed hostage rescue in Iran, the evacuation of Saigon, and an embassy evacuation. What am I missing, how are any of those remotely similar to us airstriking our own vehicles and ammo dumps on purpose? I get that we scuttled some helicopters in those events, but I don't remember ever reading about doing it via airborne ordinance.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/8/8/5982501/the-us-is-now-bombing-its-own-military-equipment-in-iraq

That was US aid to the Iraqi military, so while is was US manufactured I wouldn't necessarily call that "US equipment". Are you seriously going to the matt like this over one trivial statement by a CBS news journalist? It's ok to make a mistake sometimes, you don't have to dig the hole deeper.
cowboycwr
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Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

Waco1947 said:

cowboycwr said:

quash said:

riflebear said:



One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.

two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.

three- No it doesn't

four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
US MIlitary Base
Oh look another post from 47 that makes zero sense and adds nothing to the discussion.
The US base kept the peace.
LMAO!!!!!!!

Peace?????


In Syria????

What a joke.
cowboycwr
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quash said:

cowboycwr said:

quash said:

cowboycwr said:

quash said:

riflebear said:



One, it was done without consulting anyone. And Trump lied about that.
Two, it hurts a former ally.
Three, it strengthens Putin. But you are okay with that.
Four it increases regional instability. As our interventionist policy usually has.
One- the President does not have to consult anyone. He did not lie. That was Obama with his no boots on the ground, red line in the sand, etc. etc.

two- No it doesn't. Now you are lying.... yet again.

three- No it doesn't

four- LOL. Yeah because the area was so stable before.... we need to let them all fight and just go support the winner....AKA Israel.
1. Trump said "I consulted everybody." I don't care if he has to or not, but he said he did and it turns out that he didn't. That is a lie.
2. The Kurds are being hurt. The Kurds were an ally. Which of those statements is untrue?
3. Yes it does. Putin is helping his ally. That strengthens him.
4.I don't care where you start on the scale of stabililty, instability has increased. We don't have to support anybody.

1. He consulted everyone who matters. But somehow you and the other libs think Presidents call up low generals to discuss strategy. They don't.

2. What country was/is our ally? What treaty did they become our ally? So no our ally is not being hurt.

3. Nope still wrong here.

4. and wrong here. As usual.
1. Who did he consult, and what is your source?
Remember, Trump claimed to have consulted with "everybody" and said the UK was "thrilled". "Asked whether Downing Street agreed with Mr Trump's characterisation of the UK response, prime minister Boris Johnson's official spokesman said: "We are deeply concerned by reports that Turkey intends to launch a military operation in north-east Syria. We do not support the proposed Turkish action and we are in close touch with international partners including the US, France and Germany. The UK has been consistently clear with Turkey that unilateral military action must be avoided because it would destabilise the region and threaten efforts to secure the lasting defeat of Daesh."

2. We don't need no stinkin' treaties. The Kurds were instrumental in achieving our aims in the region. You can play word games about who is an ally. See Luke 10:29.

3. Sez you. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-russia-analysis/for-putin-turkish-move-into-syria-a-chance-to-ramp-up-middle-east-role-idUSKBN1WP2NB

4, Again, just because you say so?
"The president's remarks contradicted the official assessment of both the state and defence departments that the Turkish offensive was a disaster for regional stability and the fight against Isis."
1. He consulted those people the Constitution says a President must consult before making decisions.... in other words himself. After that whoever he talked to about it is just being polite. So yeah as usual you are flat out wrong.

2. Yes we do need treaties. A group of people are not a country.

3. still wrong

4. yup still wrong.
cowboycwr
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HuMcK said:


That is better than what usually happens. It is left behind, taken by anyone, sold on the black market and often used by the other side.
cowboycwr
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HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?

If you know differently then please share.
Operation Eagle Claw
Operation Frequent Wind
Evacuation of US Embassy in Yemen

Finding those three took about 4-5 minutes. I can certainly understand a reporter not having that much time to research something before making a false statement. I can also understand you lapping it up because it matches what you want to believe.

So that's a failed hostage rescue in Iran, the evacuation of Saigon, and an embassy evacuation. What am I missing, how are any of those remotely similar to us airstriking our own vehicles and ammo dumps on purpose? I get that we scuttled some helicopters in those events, but I don't remember ever reading about doing it via airborne ordinance.
So you are focused on the air strike part?

why?

What does that matter?

We left billions of $ worth in Vietnam that the south Vietnamese then had to destroy as they retreated.

https://www.nytimes.com/1975/03/29/archives/arms-left-by-us-loss-by-saigon-force-called-catastrophic-1billion.html

We left Billions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/scrap-heap-of-war-billions-in-equipment-being-left-behind-in-afghanistan


But now that we have left it and this time destroyed it to prevent it from being used by ANYONE you suddenly have a problem?????

What a joke.
cowboycwr
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Waco1947 said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?
immaterial if it's first or one hundredth. It was a stupid dt decision that led to the destruction of our equipment
What about the billions of dollars worth of equipment your hero Obama left in Iraq and Afghanistan?

The value of those is 100x more than what happened here.
cowboycwr
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HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?

If you know differently then please share.
Operation Eagle Claw
Operation Frequent Wind
Evacuation of US Embassy in Yemen

Finding those three took about 4-5 minutes. I can certainly understand a reporter not having that much time to research something before making a false statement. I can also understand you lapping it up because it matches what you want to believe.

So that's a failed hostage rescue in Iran, the evacuation of Saigon, and an embassy evacuation. What am I missing, how are any of those remotely similar to us airstriking our own vehicles and ammo dumps on purpose? I get that we scuttled some helicopters in those events, but I don't remember ever reading about doing it via airborne ordinance.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/8/8/5982501/the-us-is-now-bombing-its-own-military-equipment-in-iraq

That was US aid to the Iraqi military, so while is was US manufactured I wouldn't necessarily call that "US equipment". Are you seriously going to the matt like this over one trivial statement by a CBS news journalist? It's ok to make a mistake sometimes, you don't have to dig the hole deeper.
It was US equipment, weapons and ammo we gave to the Iraqis after we were done using it and then we had to blow it up in air strikes when the Iraqis lost it.

So the only difference here is we blew it up BEFORE someone else took possession of it and started using it.

HuMcK
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cowboycwr said:

HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

HuMcK said:


First time huh? Do you believe that?

If you know differently then please share.
Operation Eagle Claw
Operation Frequent Wind
Evacuation of US Embassy in Yemen

Finding those three took about 4-5 minutes. I can certainly understand a reporter not having that much time to research something before making a false statement. I can also understand you lapping it up because it matches what you want to believe.

So that's a failed hostage rescue in Iran, the evacuation of Saigon, and an embassy evacuation. What am I missing, how are any of those remotely similar to us airstriking our own vehicles and ammo dumps on purpose? I get that we scuttled some helicopters in those events, but I don't remember ever reading about doing it via airborne ordinance.
So you are focused on the air strike part?

why?

What does that matter?


We left billions of $ worth in Vietnam that the south Vietnamese then had to destroy as they retreated.

https://www.nytimes.com/1975/03/29/archives/arms-left-by-us-loss-by-saigon-force-called-catastrophic-1billion.html

We left Billions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/scrap-heap-of-war-billions-in-equipment-being-left-behind-in-afghanistan


But now that we have left it and this time destroyed it to prevent it from being used by ANYONE you suddenly have a problem?????

What a joke.

Read the underlying tweet that generated the chain you're responding to and see if you can't find the answer.
 
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