Okay, take your 4 percent. Still led the league. The numbers were higher with the football program to the point the team needed to be five times bigger to average out to the non football player.jackets320 said:
X, 4% football, 95% student body. How's that for a big group? It's all the 5%'s fault, not the BIG 95% GROUP. Makes sense to nobody EVER!
Keyser Soze said:
You seem to be implying that a drunk girl can not be raped.
Is that what you are saying? or maybe you are saying the recent allegations are just lies?
You should clarify your answer - the one you gave is a horrible look
Thee University said:The sad and tragic thing in this entire fiasco that Briles brought down on our heads is that none of you guys cared one iota about the smoke billowing out of BU concerning lack of discipline, assaults, beatings, rapes, grades changed, etc. until your boy got rightfully axed. Once this happened you all scrambled to find someone else to blame.YoakDaddy said:
Everybody take note. Bookmark this thread and Thee's post. Thee agrees with the current BOFR that covering up sexual assaults for the sake of the brand is acceptable.
I don't agree with covering up anything poindexter. Particularly when it cheapens my alma mater. I merely reminded you guys that "cover ups" have been going on at BU for YEARS.
Reality escapes many Baylor alumni for a variety of reasons. Mommy and daddy allowed you to suckle at the teat too long. The Baylor Bubble is a safe place for most of the snowflakes on here. Winning football games became a drug for those that had sand kicked in their faces for so many years. Collateral damage is fine no matter how damning as long as it does not affect YOU and YOUR family.
Bookmark the hell out of it! If you want more bookmark material just let me know.
D. C. Bear said:You need to learn to read.TellMeYouLoveMe said:You need to try that unethical behavior is somehow excusable because it's not in a training manual bull**** in the big leagues. I'd pay good cash to see you try that on the corporate compliance execs in a public company. If it can get you sued, you CYA, end of story. You'd be sent packing.D. C. Bear said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:You can also tell who has ever worked in a corporation.OldSchoolBU said:
you can tell who played football and who did not by reading some of these responses. Thee speaks the truth.
Listening to DC bear try and spin that you can hear about a CRIME and just keep it low without any responsibility is hilarious in its navet.
That DCBEAR can't produce an example of a corporation that would allow that type of ethics says all you need to know.
You need to learn to read.
But I guess the PR racket doesn't answer to shareholders, does it?
There are posters showing up here to comment who can't grasp the idea that a person can be both critical of the board and Art Briles.JusHappy2BeHere said:
there are people pretending to be holier than thou on this thread that violated multiple sections of that video and are now acting all high an mighty just because they hate Briles
get over your hurt feelings when you got passed up for the coaches kid.... you are a grown man for Christs sakexiledinok said:There are posters showing up here to comment who can't grasp the idea that a person can be both critical of the board and Art Briles.JusHappy2BeHere said:
there are people pretending to be holier than thou on this thread that violated multiple sections of that video and are now acting all high an mighty just because they hate Briles
But hey don't let a bit it of reason cloud your need to vent on the internet.
Doc Holliday said:You are essentially in favor of covering up...which is what you accused Briles of doing.Thee University said:Absolutely it does!Doc Holliday said:Wait...if he got paid off to be quite, doesn't that mean he has information that is damning for Baylor?Thee University said:
Your beloved "CAB" driver deserves what he got. Wait..................no he doesn't. He did not deserve the payoff he got to keep quiet. I would have preferred that he give his payoff to the female victims of his element he brought onto campus.
Are you against seeing all the facts?
If this thing goes the distance I believe we are REALLY screwed. Baylor and Baylor Football.
There are skeletons buried every single year. The past couple of years we have enough skeletons to fill that cemetery across from McLane. We don't want to dig them all up.
Isn't that hypocritical?
Some of us are in favor of watching it all burn to uncover the entire truth. You can include me in that group.
We hit rock bottom. At this point, it makes no difference to me. We are already REALLY screwed dude. Seriously. I would have rather not had a football team at all then the embarrassment of last season.
If there's a cancer in Baylor, you get rid of that sh*t...you don't ignore it, or you will have another scandal in 10 years.
That's how this works. It comes from the top down.
If Briles was as bad as people say...then our higher ups had to be blind not to see the situation and negligent in not doing anything about it.
The only conclusion is to remove the BOR during the scandal. All of them.
But we both know that will never happen. You should expect a scandal in 10 years.
Is stupid an option. If so that is my vote.Eball said:
So is drunk sex rape now ? I am not totally sure if I am being sarcastic or serious?
Many posters on this thread are all about Briles. That dog don't hunt.YoakDaddy said:Thee University said:The sad and tragic thing in this entire fiasco that Briles brought down on our heads is that none of you guys cared one iota about the smoke billowing out of BU concerning lack of discipline, assaults, beatings, rapes, grades changed, etc. until your boy got rightfully axed. Once this happened you all scrambled to find someone else to blame.YoakDaddy said:
Everybody take note. Bookmark this thread and Thee's post. Thee agrees with the current BOFR that covering up sexual assaults for the sake of the brand is acceptable.
I don't agree with covering up anything poindexter. Particularly when it cheapens my alma mater. I merely reminded you guys that "cover ups" have been going on at BU for YEARS.
Reality escapes many Baylor alumni for a variety of reasons. Mommy and daddy allowed you to suckle at the teat too long. The Baylor Bubble is a safe place for most of the snowflakes on here. Winning football games became a drug for those that had sand kicked in their faces for so many years. Collateral damage is fine no matter how damning as long as it does not affect YOU and YOUR family.
Bookmark the hell out of it! If you want more bookmark material just let me know.
Let me quote you again so you see what a scumbag you are in defending the BOFR and their actions at all costs.
"This sewer hole must stink so bad that a cover up was the only thing to do. BU is going to protect the school/brand over football all day long. As well they should." - Thee
With that attitude and statement, you and Chief Doak must be related.
You gonna tell a girl's dad, sorry your little girl was part of that 90% rape stat, but we had to protect the brand since we were collectively too stupid to ask basic questions about compliance. It's fluffers like you that the BOFR loves because you seek no consequences and no accountability for mistakes made.
Many of us haven't given a rip about Briles for a long time. Keep blaming Briles tho.
Bingoxiledinok said:There are posters showing up here to comment who can't grasp the idea that a person can be both critical of the board and Art Briles.JusHappy2BeHere said:
there are people pretending to be holier than thou on this thread that violated multiple sections of that video and are now acting all high an mighty just because they hate Briles
But hey don't let a bit it of reason cloud your need to vent on the internet.
xiled was a poster on Baylorfans long before Briles came to Baylor. Are you insinuating he is on the Tulsa staff?JusHappy2BeHere said:get over your hurt feelings when you got passed up for the coaches kid.... you are a grown man for Christs sakexiledinok said:There are posters showing up here to comment who can't grasp the idea that a person can be both critical of the board and Art Briles.JusHappy2BeHere said:
there are people pretending to be holier than thou on this thread that violated multiple sections of that video and are now acting all high an mighty just because they hate Briles
But hey don't let a bit it of reason cloud your need to vent on the internet.
No only stupid, no one associated with Baylor of PH ever said that. This is some of the most ridiculous crap that gets repeated over and over by the Briles apologist.Timbear said:
With all of the evidence now available, to say that Briles brought this down on our head is just stupid stubborn.
You are right again. But just look at some of our very own posters most who support your arguments who think that to this day. I wonder how many people ever really took the time to read the documents as opposed to just believing the media's interpretations or worse yet internet poster's opinions !Keyser Soze said:No only stupid, no one associated with Baylor of PH ever said that. This is some of the most ridiculous crap that gets repeated over and over by the Briles apologist.Timbear said:
With all of the evidence now available, to say that Briles brought this down on our head is just stupid stubborn.
Briles had two players with SA convictions brought this to the media's attention. As REX would post, fact.Timbear said:
With all of the evidence now available, to say that Briles brought this down on our head is just stupid stubborn.
Tiny Elvis said:gobbeldygook said:Dude.Keyser Soze said:There has been absolutely nothing reported about thing getting buried once the got to JA.bubbadog said:
,Apart from what Briles did do or didn't do, here's a question I've wondered about:
If you heard allegations about sexual assault and were concerned for the victims, why in the hell would you have bothered taking it to Judicial Affairs, where everybody knew the whole thing would just get buried, at best, and, at worst, it would get buried AND the victim would get blamed/shamed?
So there is that - #2 it was your job to report to JA
"One of the victims said an administrator told her there were six complaints against Elliott, and Baylor could not act because "it turns into a he said-she said," according to the report."
That's like the definition of burying something. I don't want to belabor the point, but six freaking times.
IIRC, none of these girls reported anything to JA until AFTER Hernandez came forward. Then someone at JA told her or someone else about the 4-5 girls coming forward. I believe it later came out at trial that some of the other girls expressed remorse for not coming forward at the time they had their run-ins with Elliott thinking it might've prevented Hernandez' ordeal.
This is correct. Nothing was said about Elliott until the trial.
everything you said in your post is wrong.... I've known x for a long timeNoBSU said:xiled was a poster on Baylorfans long before Briles came to Baylor. Are you insinuating he is on the Tulsa staff?JusHappy2BeHere said:get over your hurt feelings when you got passed up for the coaches kid.... you are a grown man for Christs sakexiledinok said:There are posters showing up here to comment who can't grasp the idea that a person can be both critical of the board and Art Briles.JusHappy2BeHere said:
there are people pretending to be holier than thou on this thread that violated multiple sections of that video and are now acting all high an mighty just because they hate Briles
But hey don't let a bit it of reason cloud your need to vent on the internet.
You and a few others (or one dude with three accounts hitting th te star button) "seem to think that you are onto something. You aren't.
I agree with that E. Briles was paid handsomely to away without making waves - he didn't live up to his end of that bargain. It is just foolish to think giving the middle finger to someone is a good way to get them to rescue you from the press.Eball said:You are right again. But just look at some of our very own posters most who support your arguments who think that to this day. I wonder how many people ever really took the time to read the documents as opposed to just believing the media's interpretations or worse yet internet poster's opinions !Keyser Soze said:No only stupid, no one associated with Baylor of PH ever said that. This is some of the most ridiculous crap that gets repeated over and over by the Briles apologist.Timbear said:
With all of the evidence now available, to say that Briles brought this down on our head is just stupid stubborn.
Which is my concern Baylor, the BOR,has allowed the its all CAB and footballs fault narrative to run unabated.
I am talking about sexual assault allegations. Of course I think you knew that.Keyser Soze said:You sure?Amarillobear said:I don't believe for even a second that Coach Briles prevented any cases from going to Judicial Affairs because he is just not that kind of man. He didn't let any players play that were involved in wrong doing while things were being sorted out but didn't have the authority to kick them out of school due to allegations. He followed the logic that due process is important and he counted on JA and the school to do those types of investigations.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Thee University said:
MYour beloved "CAB" driver deserves what he got. Wait..................no he doesn't. He did not deserve the payoff he got to keep quiet. I would have preferred that he give his payoff to the female victims of his element he brought onto campus.
All he had to do was keep his second chancers, rule breakers, short fuses and other problem children under control. All he had to do was be loyal to and understand completely the Baylor Mission Statement. How could he not, after even 1 year, realize and abide by the different rules under which BU operates and cloaks itself in the eyes of the world?
This fits squarely on the back of CAB driver and his in-bred staff. They, more than anyone, should have been held responsible for the implosion.
Some people just never are ready for the big stage. Just like Bushwood in Caddy Shack. Some people just don't belong.
That's why he hasn't been hired elsewhere.
There isn't a university board member alive that will accept hearing how he ran in in house discipline system for his athletes where he prevented cases from going to judicial affairs.
that alone should have been grounds for termination.
On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."
On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities" The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.
On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"
On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."
Justhappy2behere is just that. Just Happy to ...xiledinok said:There are posters showing up here to comment who can't grasp the idea that a person can be both critical of the board and Art Briles.JusHappy2BeHere said:
there are people pretending to be holier than thou on this thread that violated multiple sections of that video and are now acting all high an mighty just because they hate Briles
But hey don't let a bit it of reason cloud your need to vent on the internet.
ok...clearly you and I disagree over most of the issues...for better or worse you are identified as a BOR troll and me as a CAB lover...Keyser Soze said:I agree with that E. Briles was paid handsomely to away without making waves - he didn't live up to his end of that bargain. It is just foolish to think giving the middle finger to someone is a good way to get them to rescue you from the press.Eball said:You are right again. But just look at some of our very own posters most who support your arguments who think that to this day. I wonder how many people ever really took the time to read the documents as opposed to just believing the media's interpretations or worse yet internet poster's opinions !Keyser Soze said:No only stupid, no one associated with Baylor of PH ever said that. This is some of the most ridiculous crap that gets repeated over and over by the Briles apologist.Timbear said:
With all of the evidence now available, to say that Briles brought this down on our head is just stupid stubborn.
Which is my concern Baylor, the BOR,has allowed the its all CAB and footballs fault narrative to run unabated.
Once more, learn to read. You are offering a case against arguments that I am not making.TellMeYouLoveMe said:D. C. Bear said:You need to learn to read.TellMeYouLoveMe said:You need to try that unethical behavior is somehow excusable because it's not in a training manual bull**** in the big leagues. I'd pay good cash to see you try that on the corporate compliance execs in a public company. If it can get you sued, you CYA, end of story. You'd be sent packing.D. C. Bear said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:You can also tell who has ever worked in a corporation.OldSchoolBU said:
you can tell who played football and who did not by reading some of these responses. Thee speaks the truth.
Listening to DC bear try and spin that you can hear about a CRIME and just keep it low without any responsibility is hilarious in its navet.
That DCBEAR can't produce an example of a corporation that would allow that type of ethics says all you need to know.
You need to learn to read.
But I guess the PR racket doesn't answer to shareholders, does it?
Right. Let us know when you have success in peddling that fantastic PR strategy and someone actually pays you for it.
Until then, you're just holdIng onto a coach whose career has sailed.
And this is the real slippery slope, you accept someone has been telling you small lies yet you are certain they have not told you any big ones.Amarillobear said:I am talking about sexual assault allegations. Of course I think you knew that.Keyser Soze said:You sure?Amarillobear said:I don't believe for even a second that Coach Briles prevented any cases from going to Judicial Affairs because he is just not that kind of man. He didn't let any players play that were involved in wrong doing while things were being sorted out but didn't have the authority to kick them out of school due to allegations. He followed the logic that due process is important and he counted on JA and the school to do those types of investigations.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Thee University said:
MYour beloved "CAB" driver deserves what he got. Wait..................no he doesn't. He did not deserve the payoff he got to keep quiet. I would have preferred that he give his payoff to the female victims of his element he brought onto campus.
All he had to do was keep his second chancers, rule breakers, short fuses and other problem children under control. All he had to do was be loyal to and understand completely the Baylor Mission Statement. How could he not, after even 1 year, realize and abide by the different rules under which BU operates and cloaks itself in the eyes of the world?
This fits squarely on the back of CAB driver and his in-bred staff. They, more than anyone, should have been held responsible for the implosion.
Some people just never are ready for the big stage. Just like Bushwood in Caddy Shack. Some people just don't belong.
That's why he hasn't been hired elsewhere.
There isn't a university board member alive that will accept hearing how he ran in in house discipline system for his athletes where he prevented cases from going to judicial affairs.
that alone should have been grounds for termination.
On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."
On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities" The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.
On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"
On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."
When you have had access to all of their communication and conducted a through investigation, as we have been told happened, it allows you to have a better degree of confidence that someone hasn't been telling you any "big ones." I suppose that confidence allowed Baylor to write the letter they did supporting him in getting another job.Keyser Soze said:And this is the real slippery slope, you accept someone has been telling you small lies yet you are certain they have not told you any big ones.Amarillobear said:I am talking about sexual assault allegations. Of course I think you knew that.Keyser Soze said:You sure?Amarillobear said:I don't believe for even a second that Coach Briles prevented any cases from going to Judicial Affairs because he is just not that kind of man. He didn't let any players play that were involved in wrong doing while things were being sorted out but didn't have the authority to kick them out of school due to allegations. He followed the logic that due process is important and he counted on JA and the school to do those types of investigations.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Thee University said:
MYour beloved "CAB" driver deserves what he got. Wait..................no he doesn't. He did not deserve the payoff he got to keep quiet. I would have preferred that he give his payoff to the female victims of his element he brought onto campus.
All he had to do was keep his second chancers, rule breakers, short fuses and other problem children under control. All he had to do was be loyal to and understand completely the Baylor Mission Statement. How could he not, after even 1 year, realize and abide by the different rules under which BU operates and cloaks itself in the eyes of the world?
This fits squarely on the back of CAB driver and his in-bred staff. They, more than anyone, should have been held responsible for the implosion.
Some people just never are ready for the big stage. Just like Bushwood in Caddy Shack. Some people just don't belong.
That's why he hasn't been hired elsewhere.
There isn't a university board member alive that will accept hearing how he ran in in house discipline system for his athletes where he prevented cases from going to judicial affairs.
that alone should have been grounds for termination.
On April 8, 2011, after a freshman defensive tackle was cited for illegal consumption of alcohol, Coach Briles sent a text message to an assistant coach: "Hopefully he's under radar enough they won't recognize name did he get ticket from Baylor police or Waco? Just trying to keep him away from our judicial affairs folks...."
On February 11, 2013, an assistant coach notified Coach Briles of a claim by a female student-athlete that a football player brandished a gun at her. Coach Briles responded: "what a fool she reporting to authorities" The assistant coach texted back: "She's acting traumatized Trying to talk her calm now Doesn't seem to want to report though." Coach Briles texted: "U gonna talk to [the player]." The assistant coach concluded: "Yes sir, just did. Caught him on the way to class Squeezed him pretty good." The matter was never reported to Judicial Affairs.
On September 20, 2013, after a player was arrested for assault and threatening to kill a non-athlete, a football operations staff official tried to talk the victim out of pressing criminal charges. Meanwhile, Coach Briles texted Athletics Director Ian McCaw: "Just talked to [the player] he said Waco PD was there said they were going to keep it quiet Wasn't a set up deal... I'll get shill (Shillinglaw) to ck on Sibley (local attorney Jonathan Sibley)." Athletics Director Ian McCaw replied: "That would be great if they kept it quiet!"
On May 14, 2014, after Coach Briles learned from an assistant coach that a player had been caught selling drugs, he texted: "I'm hoping it will take care of itself if not we can discuss best way to move on it." The offense was never reported to Judicial Affairs and Coach Briles arranged for the player to transfer to another school. The assistant coach texted: "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."
^boldEball said:ok...clearly you and I disagree over most of the issues...for better or worse you are identified as a BOR troll and me as a CAB lover...Keyser Soze said:I agree with that E. Briles was paid handsomely to away without making waves - he didn't live up to his end of that bargain. It is just foolish to think giving the middle finger to someone is a good way to get them to rescue you from the press.Eball said:You are right again. But just look at some of our very own posters most who support your arguments who think that to this day. I wonder how many people ever really took the time to read the documents as opposed to just believing the media's interpretations or worse yet internet poster's opinions !Keyser Soze said:No only stupid, no one associated with Baylor of PH ever said that. This is some of the most ridiculous crap that gets repeated over and over by the Briles apologist.Timbear said:
With all of the evidence now available, to say that Briles brought this down on our head is just stupid stubborn.
Which is my concern Baylor, the BOR,has allowed the its all CAB and footballs fault narrative to run unabated.
I think we both come to a lot of agreement over the facts themselves and even some (few) conclusions on underlying issues.
But we still are miles apart on the big ones...
How can you possibly believe that the money paid to CAB was nothing more than his prearranged and negotiated buy out? The BOR chose to exercise it and he had not choice whether to accept it or not it was in his contract? There were also I am sure NDA's that limited what both parties could say about each other. Negotiated settlement or part of the buyout of the existing contract really does not change the "why". They want him to go away as quietly as possible. The cost of payout was less than the perceived cost of litigation both from his case and the dozen T9 cases pending.
CAB may be a lot of things but stupid and lacking for good lawyers to advise him he is and was not. If he attacked the BOR or BU he would risk losing the $15,000,000.00. No one does that no matter how mad or principled they are because the contract would have been breached. He had no recourse. Certainly if the BOR had started down the road of termination with cause there could have been an out of CRT settlement but that never happened. Being primarily silent will not break any NDA. You blame the BOR for not going out of their way to correct they press, but Briles allowed Baylor alumni, including some of our wealthiest donors, to stew in the many scapegoating rumors most of which were totally false.
I know we could go round and round on the exoneration letter BU later sent...why was that sent but for someone finally trying to assist CAB...if he had given them the middle finger why would they have given him the letter? Don't know for sure, but my guess was to appease some of the big money donors who were solidly in Briles corner and not Briles himself. Of course interestingly it was not to be made public. I don't see how you say CAB did anything to cause the media firestorm to continue? No going away quietly in the night, the bogus "I don't know why I was fired" stuff. He certainly extended the new cycle greatly. Not really fair to Briles or football, but the lack of Title IX staff and police force just does not get enough clicks. I go go with something softer than "firestorm"
I guess him. I am going to need some floor mats or protective undercoating. Maybe both.Russell Gym said:
Seal the deal for what for you?
