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OK...I know CAB is not coming back...

I think he deserves to be coaching somewhere and that the BOR smeared him either by design or just by pure coincidence...When I say BOR I don't mean the entire BOR

I think the BOR and Sr. Administration folks botched this whole title IX issue from the time of the dear colleague letter and that our moral code at BU jumped up and bit us in the butt. Certainly the code of conduct and how we handled allegations of sexual assault predated CAB and was a campus wide problem not a football culture issue per se.

I support CMR because he is who we got. I still am interested in and loyal to CAB for all the good he did for BU and the fun I had watching his teams play...does that make me a CAB lover?

Why is it so stinking bad to admit that at least part of what drives me to post about this stuff is a desire to see a good guy and great coach get some redemption? I don't see how that makes me anti-BU just the opposite if it turns out that he was used by some to take the hit and it becomes apparent that there was nothing worthy of terminating him for, will that not help BU come to grips with problem regents?

I want to win as bad as the next person and I want BU to be known as a great place to send your sons and daughters for great education and that it is safe.

I guess I don't understand the anti CAB folks saying that we make it all about CAB when the BOR pretty much made it all about CAB?

I get the moving on sentiment but how do we move on when there are such strong feelings throughout BU Nation? Every time something dribbles out like Ian's deposition or Mac Engel's change of heart and direction it causes the issue to re-ignite...how do we ever get past it and heal without some additional transparency..seriously how could it hurt? to all those who say let it go...clearly I am not the only person who can't let it go...

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Not that it matters, but I don't think anything is wrong with wanting Briles to get a fair shake. I think his current penalty box time of being off the sidelines is enough. And he lost some massive potential income. So let him work again.

My point of contention is that little is out their due to the NSDs. We don't know what all Briles did, but I think we can be certain that it is much less than ESPN ran with. IMO, the Elliot and Sam U convictions exploded this. Firing was supportable. Banishment is not.

Being furious over the BOR is understandable. I don't think they are bright enough to set up the conspiracy. The media did it and they watched. I am just happy that the **** - shaming around here has pretty much ended. Probably Bunting joined in.

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Dman, you are either a new poster or went by another username. No one recognizes your username.

Stranger told us about the regents, told us we didn't need a new stadium (which put him at odds with the big spender regents) and told us that bad would happen. He was discredited by those in the wrong but gets to laugh these days.
Stranger probably didn't predict it would be a known wild man who would crash into the regents causing the second biggest s-storm in the history of Texas college football (SMU still leads but Art did enough to get him on stage for the biggest s-storm awards). Stranger would have needed to be a prophet to predict that the loose running regent ship could take out someone who was more loose than the Captain of the Exxon Valdez (that would be Art and his deckhand, Shill). There weren't many folks that ran as loose as the ***** Pump Captain's ship.

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That's enough of the crude attacks on Briles, xiled.
It's one thing to state your case but quite another to continue in the manner you have on these threads. While I don't necessarily disagree with your take on the situation or on your assessment of the man, your approach needs to change.

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Dman, you are either a new poster or went by another username. No one recognizes your username.

Stranger told us about the regents, told us we didn't need a new stadium (which put him at odds with the big spender regents) and told us that bad would happen. He was discredited by those in the wrong but gets to laugh these days.
Stranger probably didn't predict it would be a known wild man who would crash into the regents causing the second biggest s-storm in the history of Texas college football (SMU still leads but Art did enough to get him on stage for the biggest s-storm awards). Stranger would have needed to be a prophet to predict that the loose running regent ship could take out someone who was more loose than the Captain of the Exxon Valdez (that would be Art and his deckhand, Shill). There weren't many folks that ran as loose as the ***** Pump Captain's ship.

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I should be flattered by all the attention. Let me be crystal clear. I was a reasonably longstanding member of BF and made the involuntary switch out of necessity like many others when it was mothballed. My old screen name there (Dred) was not available here for some reason. I heard stories of people jumping on certain names to block them..who knows. I just chose one that worked). Does that make me "new" here? Guilty?

But it's laughable to resort to any attempt to discredit my views...by claiming I post under multiple usernames.

My views are are hardly extreme or even disputable. They are in fact, 100% factual at its core. I would have no need to hide behind other names.

-All involved were found to have failed our school
- Not all were held accountable. This is hypocrisy and a guaranteed catalyst for a toxic environment moving forward.
- It was not just a football problem
-Baylor would have been better served had another BoR been transitioned in a controlled manner, as an alumni we had plenty of qualified options, to fix the problems the previous BoR created. The alum and public at large would have much more trust in the process.

This BoR gets NO credit or a pass for fixing something they created, while being watched under a micrscope when their historical norm is lack of transparency and they didn't give the same opportunity to others. It is impossible for the alumni to trust that reform when the microscope is gone.

Arguing otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

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Done, read the audit report also on Baylor.edu

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Where is apology?

"We're sorry if any of you were offended"
Touching

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You really didn't take the time to look did you? This is kind of of typical MO. Just shout louder. Stop doing that.

From the independent audit:

On May 26, 2016, the University also released a statement by Ron Murff, Chair of Baylor Board of Regents: "We, as the governing Board of this University, offer our apologies to the many who sought help from the University. We are deeply sorry for the harm that survivors have endured." Two additional letters of apology were issued by Interim President Dr. David Garland. During the summer of 2016, Baylor began the process of reaching out to the eight individual complainants, as identified in the investigation, to offer personal apologies and support. Members of Baylor's Board of Regents and senior leadership, including Dr. Garland, Dr. Kevin Jackson, Vice President for Student Life, Dr. Reagan Ramsower, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Mack Rhoades, Athletics Director, Christopher Holmes, General Counsel, Patty Crawford, Title IX Coordinator, and Dr. Livingstone, the incoming President, met individually with complainants and their families to hear their perspective and experience, offer personal and institutional apologies, and seek to provide remedial and restorative remedies

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I've read those parts from other places. Livingstone wasn't here in 2016; she was named in April 2017. You might want to check your copy/paste work there.

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read more closely - it began in the summer of 2016, it didn't say it occurred in 2016

Even if that error had occurred, would such a small detail really shake things up that much for you? Do you really think apologies have not been issued?

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I saw "During the summer of 2016". The date isn't that big of a deal to me, but they need to be more specific. As to apologies....I've had bad meals at restaurants and had managers come to the table to apologize. Sexual assault at my university and we get a letter.....chickenshlts couldn't even get in front of a camera for that (or even ride in the 2016 HC parade)...unless I missed it in 2016. At least Garland had the stones to take questions in front of a camera from the subcommittee in Austin last session.

Serious, separate question: how many of the 10 Jane Does are related to the university at large and how many are related to athletics? Curious because I don't know and figured you might.

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What part of "met individually with complainants and their families to hear their perspective and experience, offer personal and institutional apologies, and seek to provide remedial and restorative remedies" sounds like a letter?

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Did you meet with them? I didn't. All alumni and stakeholders got was a press release from the sex toy salesman.

I see more BOR assault apologists visiting recently. You forgot your talking points...Briles Briles Briles Starr Starr Starr. Come on. Get with the program.

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You expected a personal call or visit? Were you assaulted while at Baylor?

The apologies were for SA victims that were ignored in the past.

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Dman, you are either a new poster or went by another username. No one recognizes your username.

Stranger told us about the regents, told us we didn't need a new stadium (which put him at odds with the big spender regents) and told us that bad would happen. He was discredited by those in the wrong but gets to laugh these days.
Stranger probably didn't predict it would be a known wild man who would crash into the regents causing the second biggest s-storm in the history of Texas college football (SMU still leads but Art did enough to get him on stage for the biggest s-storm awards). Stranger would have needed to be a prophet to predict that the loose running regent ship could take out someone who was more loose than the Captain of the Exxon Valdez (that would be Art and his deckhand, Shill). There weren't many folks that ran as loose as the ***** Pump Captain's ship.

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That's enough of the crude attacks on Briles, xiled.
It's one thing to state your case but quite another to continue in the manner you have on these threads. While I don't necessarily disagree with your take on the situation or on your assessment of the man, your approach needs to change.

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It's hard to show compassion for those who double and triple down on the "zero rapes, the women are *****s, and ****s and nothing happened, so we ll sue, dismiss and still push that nothing happened" at the selfish expense of the school and the new staff. I'm a Baylor fan and I want the school separated from Art. He popped the tv money and is bad news for football and it's future.

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Dman, you are either a new poster or went by another username. No one recognizes your username.

Stranger told us about the regents, told us we didn't need a new stadium (which put him at odds with the big spender regents) and told us that bad would happen. He was discredited by those in the wrong but gets to laugh these days.
Stranger probably didn't predict it would be a known wild man who would crash into the regents causing the second biggest s-storm in the history of Texas college football (SMU still leads but Art did enough to get him on stage for the biggest s-storm awards). Stranger would have needed to be a prophet to predict that the loose running regent ship could take out someone who was more loose than the Captain of the Exxon Valdez (that would be Art and his deckhand, Shill). There weren't many folks that ran as loose as the ***** Pump Captain's ship.

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Stranger is not a sage. He's a loser.

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xiledinok said:

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Dman, you are either a new poster or went by another username. No one recognizes your username.

Stranger told us about the regents, told us we didn't need a new stadium (which put him at odds with the big spender regents) and told us that bad would happen. He was discredited by those in the wrong but gets to laugh these days.
Stranger probably didn't predict it would be a known wild man who would crash into the regents causing the second biggest s-storm in the history of Texas college football (SMU still leads but Art did enough to get him on stage for the biggest s-storm awards). Stranger would have needed to be a prophet to predict that the loose running regent ship could take out someone who was more loose than the Captain of the Exxon Valdez (that would be Art and his deckhand, Shill). There weren't many folks that ran as loose as the ***** Pump Captain's ship.

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Stranger is not a sage. He's a loser.

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He pegged you guys.
You guys acted like third world dictators and gangsters tearing down that alumni building.
Art's gangster discipline one water tower set up was no match for your crew. He learned it was not a game.
Texas Monthly did have a good source. You can be humble and admit it.

Keyser Soze said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Done, read the audit report also on Baylor.edu

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Where is apology?

"We're sorry if any of you were offended"
Touching

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You really didn't take the time to look did you? This is kind of of typical MO. Just shout louder. Stop doing that.

From the independent audit:

On May 26, 2016, the University also released a statement by Ron Murff, Chair of Baylor Board of Regents: "We, as the governing Board of this University, offer our apologies to the many who sought help from the University. We are deeply sorry for the harm that survivors have endured." Two additional letters of apology were issued by Interim President Dr. David Garland. During the summer of 2016, Baylor began the process of reaching out to the eight individual complainants, as identified in the investigation, to offer personal apologies and support. Members of Baylor's Board of Regents and senior leadership, including Dr. Garland, Dr. Kevin Jackson, Vice President for Student Life, Dr. Reagan Ramsower, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Mack Rhoades, Athletics Director, Christopher Holmes, General Counsel, Patty Crawford, Title IX Coordinator, and Dr. Livingstone, the incoming President, met individually with complainants and their families to hear their perspective and experience, offer personal and institutional apologies, and seek to provide remedial and restorative remedies

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This isn't a mea culpa. It's basically riding in on white horses to save the day after they fired the one man truly responsible. Do you believe that paragraph admits any personal responsibility in the way they governed the school? It looks to me to be very self-serving.

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"You literally mean nothing to me." HAHAHAHA

My crazy girlfriend at 22 said that to me when we broke up. Yes NoBSU we see where the crazy talk is generated. But we are supposed to give credibility to that logic and reasoning?!?

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Looks like your girlfriend came out ahead and saved herself many years of grief.

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Speaking of Briles' retirement party? You looking forward to it? When is he announcing? So far, the dildo beed salesman quit the board. One bad school regent gone from his position. Retired from the board. When is the big "official" retirement party for Briles?

Why is Briles not retired? Willis retired.

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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OK...I know CAB is not coming back...

I think he deserves to be coaching somewhere and that the BOR smeared him either by design or just by pure coincidence...When I say BOR I don't mean the entire BOR

I think the BOR and Sr. Administration folks botched this whole title IX issue from the time of the dear colleague letter and that our moral code at BU jumped up and bit us in the butt. Certainly the code of conduct and how we handled allegations of sexual assault predated CAB and was a campus wide problem not a football culture issue per se.

I support CMR because he is who we got. I still am interested in and loyal to CAB for all the good he did for BU and the fun I had watching his teams play...does that make me a CAB lover?

Why is it so stinking bad to admit that at least part of what drives me to post about this stuff is a desire to see a good guy and great coach get some redemption? I don't see how that makes me anti-BU just the opposite if it turns out that he was used by some to take the hit and it becomes apparent that there was nothing worthy of terminating him for, will that not help BU come to grips with problem regents?

I want to win as bad as the next person and I want BU to be known as a great place to send your sons and daughters for great education and that it is safe.

I guess I don't understand the anti CAB folks saying that we make it all about CAB when the BOR pretty much made it all about CAB?

I get the moving on sentiment but how do we move on when there are such strong feelings throughout BU Nation? Every time something dribbles out like Ian's deposition or Mac Engel's change of heart and direction it causes the issue to re-ignite...how do we ever get past it and heal without some additional transparency..seriously how could it hurt? to all those who say let it go...clearly I am not the only person who can't let it go...

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great post

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"You literally mean nothing to me." HAHAHAHA

My crazy girlfriend at 22 said that to me when we broke up. Yes NoBSU we see where the crazy talk is generated. But we are supposed to give credibility to that logic and reasoning?!?

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Looks like your girlfriend came out ahead and saved herself many years of grief.

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Speaking of Briles' retirement party? You looking forward to it? When is he announcing? So far, the dildo beed salesman quit the board. One bad school regent gone from his position. Retired from the board. When is the big "official" retirement party for Briles?

Why is Briles not retired? Willis retired.

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Thee.

Think what you want about Briles, love him or hate him, but be factually correct. He didn't "bail on us". He was terminated. He'd still be here if given the choice and had he be given the same option to "fix his own problems and implementing reform"...just like the BoR. Therein embodies the divide. Therein embodies the hypocrisy.

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Thee. That One too many shots to the head in the glory years is showing again.

Think what you want about Briles, love him or hate him, but be factually correct. He didn't "bail on us". He was terminated. He'd still be here if given the choice and had he be given the same option to "fix his own problems and implementing reform"...just like the BoR. Therein embodies the divide. Therein embodies the hypocrisy.

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It was more than one too many shots and there were no glory years. We were average Baylor. .565 ball unless you allow me to forget about 1977 and 1978. That means we were a .750 program. Wait, allow me to only count 1 year. 1980. I was a part of .833. That my Cub friend is how shots to the head can affect you. I see it used here often when 4-8 seasons are forgotten.

He was trying to leave us for UT. Fact. He failed.
He knew the Baylor rules and he could not abide by them. He failed.
He had a chance to go before the BOR and lay out a "salvage plan" but all he could do was cry and ask them what they wanted him to do. He failed. He had a window of saving his own tail but could not do it.

Therein lies the TRUTH and we all know now.........................Truth Don't Lie!

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"You literally mean nothing to me." HAHAHAHA

My crazy girlfriend at 22 said that to me when we broke up. Yes NoBSU we see where the crazy talk is generated. But we are supposed to give credibility to that logic and reasoning?!?

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Looks like your girlfriend came out ahead and saved herself many years of grief.

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Speaking of Briles' retirement party? You looking forward to it? When is he announcing? So far, the dildo beed salesman quit the board. One bad school regent gone from his position. Retired from the board. When is the big "official" retirement party for Briles?

Why is Briles not retired? Willis retired.

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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It won't be NFL or CFL.
The yappping chihuahuas might get to rub elbows and have to sit with the WWE fans while watching Art coach the New Mexico Loxosceles in the XFL? I would definitely want a comeback to see some of these guys go to any football contest that could rival a Raiders game in La (1988).

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Thee University said:

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Thee. That One too many shots to the head in the glory years is showing again.

Think what you want about Briles, love him or hate him, but be factually correct. He didn't "bail on us". He was terminated. He'd still be here if given the choice and had he be given the same option to "fix his own problems and implementing reform"...just like the BoR. Therein embodies the divide. Therein embodies the hypocrisy.

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It was more than one too many shots and there were no glory years. We were average Baylor. .565 ball unless you allow me to forget about 1977 and 1978. That means we were a .750 program. Wait, allow me to only count 1 year. 1980. I was a part of .833. That my Cub friend is how shots to the head can affect you.

He was trying to leave us for UT. Fact. He failed.
He knew the Baylor rules and he could not abide by

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Fact. Your statement was innacurate. He didn't leave. He was terminated

Fact. He'd still be here if given the same luxury as the BoR. No way of knowing for how long.

Fact. Your changing your statement now. But Yes. All successful P5 coaches look at other schools. We've debated this before. College coaching isn't about "loyalty". Schools aren't loyal to coaches. They fire them when they don't win. Coaches aren't loyal to schools..they leave when they win. It's a job. It's about the $$. Holding Briles to another standard in this regard is just bitter pills. Think we will be loyal to Rhule if he has 3 more 1 win seasons? Think Rhule will stay forever if he starts winning? If not...do you hate him already?

I think we should all cut Thee some slack.

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I think we should all cut Thee some slack.

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While I agree it's an unfair playing field, and I hold back a great deal. It doesn't absolve him from remaining factually correct during his babbling.

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I think we should all cut Thee some slack.

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While I agree it's an unfair playing field, and I hold back a great deal. It doesn't absolve him from remaining factually correct during his babbling.

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It's just best not to engage him.

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Thee University said:

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Thee. That One too many shots to the head in the glory years is showing again.

Think what you want about Briles, love him or hate him, but be factually correct. He didn't "bail on us". He was terminated. He'd still be here if given the choice and had he be given the same option to "fix his own problems and implementing reform"...just like the BoR. Therein embodies the divide. Therein embodies the hypocrisy.

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It was more than one too many shots and there were no glory years. We were average Baylor. .565 ball unless you allow me to forget about 1977 and 1978. That means we were a .750 program. Wait, allow me to only count 1 year. 1980. I was a part of .833. That my Cub friend is how shots to the head can affect you. I see it used here often when 4-8 seasons are forgotten.

He was trying to leave us for UT. Fact. He failed.
He knew the Baylor rules and he could not abide by them. He failed.
He had a chance to go before the BOR and lay out a "salvage plan" but all he could do was cry and ask them what they wanted him to do. He failed. He had a window of saving his own tail but could not do it.

Therein lies the TRUTH and we all know now.........................Truth Don't Lie!

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Sounds a lot (exactly) like the relationship between the BoR and PH. Cry out to God and beg PH for a plan.

Thee,

As a 1959 grad I want to thank you for your contributions. I do take exception to the drubbing you took from Alabama in the Cotton Bow, what was it? 30-2? I don't recall Briles ever having a team perform at that level.

Baylor has fired great coaches, Sauer comes to mind who was found out to be paying poker by McCall according to Bryant's Junction Boys.

You gave us some good times and I'm not clear tonight if you were around for the embarrassing loss to Lamar Tech immediately after the "championship" year.

Enough about Briles. Just please STFU.

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"You literally mean nothing to me." HAHAHAHA

My crazy girlfriend at 22 said that to me when we broke up. Yes NoBSU we see where the crazy talk is generated. But we are supposed to give credibility to that logic and reasoning?!?

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Looks like your girlfriend came out ahead and saved herself many years of grief.

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Speaking of Briles' retirement party? You looking forward to it? When is he announcing? So far, the dildo beed salesman quit the board. One bad school regent gone from his position. Retired from the board. When is the big "official" retirement party for Briles?

Why is Briles not retired? Willis retired.

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Maybe you can help him as his DC at UH.

Don't you just hate those days when X has Fruit Loops for breakfast?

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Done, read the audit report also on Baylor.edu

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Where is apology?

"We're sorry if any of you were offended"
Touching

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You really didn't take the time to look did you? This is kind of of typical MO. Just shout louder. Stop doing that.

From the independent audit:

On May 26, 2016, the University also released a statement by Ron Murff, Chair of Baylor Board of Regents: "We, as the governing Board of this University, offer our apologies to the many who sought help from the University. We are deeply sorry for the harm that survivors have endured." Two additional letters of apology were issued by Interim President Dr. David Garland. During the summer of 2016, Baylor began the process of reaching out to the eight individual complainants, as identified in the investigation, to offer personal apologies and support. Members of Baylor's Board of Regents and senior leadership, including Dr. Garland, Dr. Kevin Jackson, Vice President for Student Life, Dr. Reagan Ramsower, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Mack Rhoades, Athletics Director, Christopher Holmes, General Counsel, Patty Crawford, Title IX Coordinator, and Dr. Livingstone, the incoming President, met individually with complainants and their families to hear their perspective and experience, offer personal and institutional apologies, and seek to provide remedial and restorative remedies

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I've read those parts from other places. Livingstone wasn't here in 2016; she was named in April 2017. You might want to check your copy/paste work there.

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read more closely - it began in the summer of 2016, it didn't say it occurred in 2016

Even if that error had occurred, would such a small detail really shake things up that much for you? Do you really think apologies have not been issued?

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I saw "During the summer of 2016". The date isn't that big of a deal to me, but they need to be more specific. As to apologies....I've had bad meals at restaurants and had managers come to the table to apologize. Sexual assault at my university and we get a letter.....chickenshlts couldn't even get in front of a camera for that (or even ride in the 2016 HC parade)...unless I missed it in 2016. At least Garland had the stones to take questions in front of a camera from the subcommittee in Austin last session.

Serious, separate question: how many of the 10 Jane Does are related to the university at large and how many are related to athletics? Curious because I don't know and figured you might.

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What part of "met individually with complainants and their families to hear their perspective and experience, offer personal and institutional apologies, and seek to provide remedial and restorative remedies" sounds like a letter?

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Did you meet with them? I didn't. All alumni and stakeholders got was a press release from the sex toy salesman.

I see more BOR assault apologists visiting recently. You forgot your talking points...Briles Briles Briles Starr Starr Starr. Come on. Get with the program.

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You expected a personal call or visit? Were you assaulted while at Baylor?

The apologies were for SA victims that were ignored in the past.

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As my family has attended and graduated from Baylor since the early 1920s, I expected our BOR leadership to look into a news camera and say they failed, they're sorry, they knew better, and resign. Nope. Instead we alumni and stakeholders got a chickenshlt press release from those who fail to accept any accountability for their part and sanctimonious exhortations about being divinely appointed to fix their own mess. They have zero honor or shame. Keep defending them tho.

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Done, read the audit report also on Baylor.edu

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Where is apology?

"We're sorry if any of you were offended"
Touching

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You really didn't take the time to look did you? This is kind of of typical MO. Just shout louder. Stop doing that.

From the independent audit:

On May 26, 2016, the University also released a statement by Ron Murff, Chair of Baylor Board of Regents: "We, as the governing Board of this University, offer our apologies to the many who sought help from the University. We are deeply sorry for the harm that survivors have endured." Two additional letters of apology were issued by Interim President Dr. David Garland. During the summer of 2016, Baylor began the process of reaching out to the eight individual complainants, as identified in the investigation, to offer personal apologies and support. Members of Baylor's Board of Regents and senior leadership, including Dr. Garland, Dr. Kevin Jackson, Vice President for Student Life, Dr. Reagan Ramsower, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Mack Rhoades, Athletics Director, Christopher Holmes, General Counsel, Patty Crawford, Title IX Coordinator, and Dr. Livingstone, the incoming President, met individually with complainants and their families to hear their perspective and experience, offer personal and institutional apologies, and seek to provide remedial and restorative remedies

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I've read those parts from other places. Livingstone wasn't here in 2016; she was named in April 2017. You might want to check your copy/paste work there.

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read more closely - it began in the summer of 2016, it didn't say it occurred in 2016

Even if that error had occurred, would such a small detail really shake things up that much for you? Do you really think apologies have not been issued?

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I saw "During the summer of 2016". The date isn't that big of a deal to me, but they need to be more specific. As to apologies....I've had bad meals at restaurants and had managers come to the table to apologize. Sexual assault at my university and we get a letter.....chickenshlts couldn't even get in front of a camera for that (or even ride in the 2016 HC parade)...unless I missed it in 2016. At least Garland had the stones to take questions in front of a camera from the subcommittee in Austin last session.

Serious, separate question: how many of the 10 Jane Does are related to the university at large and how many are related to athletics? Curious because I don't know and figured you might.

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What part of "met individually with complainants and their families to hear their perspective and experience, offer personal and institutional apologies, and seek to provide remedial and restorative remedies" sounds like a letter?

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Did you meet with them? I didn't. All alumni and stakeholders got was a press release from the sex toy salesman.

I see more BOR assault apologists visiting recently. You forgot your talking points...Briles Briles Briles Starr Starr Starr. Come on. Get with the program.

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You expected a personal call or visit? Were you assaulted while at Baylor?

The apologies were for SA victims that were ignored in the past.

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As my family has attended and graduated from Baylor since the early 1920s, I expected our BOR leadership to look into a news camera and say they failed, they're sorry, they knew better, and resign. Nope. Instead we alumni and stakeholders got a chickenshlt press release from those who fail to accept any accountability for their part and sanctimonious exhortations about being divinely appointed to fix their own mess. They have zero honor or shame. Keep defending them tho.

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I know . . . our regents apologize for the behavior of others and then tout how they personally spoke with the victims in hopes that we dutiful alumni would all fathom their moral superiority - at least that's how it comes across.

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Thee. That One too many shots to the head in the glory years is showing again.

Think what you want about Briles, love him or hate him, but be factually correct. He didn't "bail on us". He was terminated. He'd still be here if given the choice and had he be given the same option to "fix his own problems and implementing reform"...just like the BoR. Therein embodies the divide. Therein embodies the hypocrisy.

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It was more than one too many shots and there were no glory years. We were average Baylor. .565 ball unless you allow me to forget about 1977 and 1978. That means we were a .750 program. Wait, allow me to only count 1 year. 1980. I was a part of .833. That my Cub friend is how shots to the head can affect you.

He was trying to leave us for UT. Fact. He failed.
He knew the Baylor rules and he could not abide by

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Fact. Your statement was innacurate. He didn't leave. He was terminated

Fact. He'd still be here if given the same luxury as the BoR. No way of knowing for how long.

Fact. Your changing your statement now. But Yes. All successful P5 coaches look at other schools. We've debated this before. College coaching isn't about "loyalty". Schools aren't loyal to coaches. They fire them when they don't win. Coaches aren't loyal to schools..they leave when they win. It's a job. It's about the $$. Holding Briles to another standard in this regard is just bitter pills. Think we will be loyal to Rhule if he has 3 more 1 win seasons? Think Rhule will stay forever if he starts winning? If not...do you hate him already?

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Wrong. Trying to leave. Reading comprehension. Good grief. Did you got to TSTI?

Wrong. BORs are appointed. Arthur was hired. And fired. BOR can't be fired.

Wrong. I've been rock solid and right for all along. Flirting and positioning to leave for UT, of all schools, was where he really went too far. UT? I'd rather he gone to Aggie Land with Phil Bennett. Never mind...........the Ags would NEVER hire Bennett back.

You forget just how far Baylor went outside our Baylor Bubble to give him what he wanted. No other coach in the history of BU football got so much and bent the Baylor rules so far.

Baylor standards are way above other B12 schools and I have always been proud of that FACT.

You really are a TSTI grad aren't you? Paul Quinn?

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Thee,

As a 1959 grad I want to thank you for your contributions. I do take exception to the drubbing you took from Alabama in the Cotton Bow, what was it? 30-2? I don't recall Briles ever having a team perform at that level.

Baylor has fired great coaches, Sauer comes to mind who was found out to be paying poker by McCall according to Bryant's Junction Boys.

You gave us some good times and I'm not clear tonight if you were around for the embarrassing loss to Lamar Tech immediately after the "championship" year.

Enough about Briles. Just please STFU.

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That 1956 team was one of the best ever. No, I was not born yet but to beat Tennessee in the Sugar Bowl and to beat Cal, Nebraska and Maryland in non-con is impressive.

That 2-30 drubbing was embarrassing for sure. Not as bad as the 0-45 beating we took by them in Birmingham the year before. Briles lost a number of games in more spectacular fashion in my opinion. Particulary in the two 4-8 seasons where his teams gave up nearly 600 yards a few time. Even the 2011 saw us lose to the Ags by 27 and gave up 681 yards and lose to the Cowboys by 35 and gave up 601 yards while going 10-3.

Remember we gave up 807 yards and 70 points to West Virginia in 2012.

I felt every one of those 339 yards we gave up to Alabama which had won back-to-back NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS in 1978 and 1979.

Sauer must have been a great one. He and Briles finished as .613 and .637 until let go.

No. I was gone when the defending SWC Champs lost to Lamar IN Waco in 1981.

I hold Briles responsible for allowing a gaping wound to fester and kill us. He, more than anyone, is to blame for our current fiasco. So no, with all due respect to my elders, I cannot shut up as long as revisionist cry babies post about Briles being wronged.

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"You literally mean nothing to me." HAHAHAHA

My crazy girlfriend at 22 said that to me when we broke up. Yes NoBSU we see where the crazy talk is generated. But we are supposed to give credibility to that logic and reasoning?!?

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Looks like your girlfriend came out ahead and saved herself many years of grief.

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Speaking of Briles' retirement party? You looking forward to it? When is he announcing? So far, the dildo beed salesman quit the board. One bad school regent gone from his position. Retired from the board. When is the big "official" retirement party for Briles?

Why is Briles not retired? Willis retired.

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Maybe you can help him as his DC at UH.

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Bennett is more qualified

Thee University said:

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Dman said:

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Thee University said:

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Dman said:

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Thee University said:

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Thee. That One too many shots to the head in the glory years is showing again.

Think what you want about Briles, love him or hate him, but be factually correct. He didn't "bail on us". He was terminated. He'd still be here if given the choice and had he be given the same option to "fix his own problems and implementing reform"...just like the BoR. Therein embodies the divide. Therein embodies the hypocrisy.

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It was more than one too many shots and there were no glory years. We were average Baylor. .565 ball unless you allow me to forget about 1977 and 1978. That means we were a .750 program. Wait, allow me to only count 1 year. 1980. I was a part of .833. That my Cub friend is how shots to the head can affect you.

He was trying to leave us for UT. Fact. He failed.
He knew the Baylor rules and he could not abide by

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Fact. Your statement was innacurate. He didn't leave. He was terminated

Fact. He'd still be here if given the same luxury as the BoR. No way of knowing for how long.

Fact. Your changing your statement now. But Yes. All successful P5 coaches look at other schools. We've debated this before. College coaching isn't about "loyalty". Schools aren't loyal to coaches. They fire them when they don't win. Coaches aren't loyal to schools..they leave when they win. It's a job. It's about the $$. Holding Briles to another standard in this regard is just bitter pills. Think we will be loyal to Rhule if he has 3 more 1 win seasons? Think Rhule will stay forever if he starts winning? If not...do you hate him already?

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Wrong. Trying to leave. Reading comprehension. Good grief. Did you got to TSTI?

Wrong. BORs are appointed. Arthur was hired. And fired. BOR can't be fired.

Wrong. I've been rock solid and right for all along. Flirting and positioning to leave for UT, of all schools, was where he really went too far. UT? I'd rather he gone to Aggie Land with Phil Bennett. Never mind...........the Ags would NEVER hire Bennett back.

You forget just how far Baylor went outside our Baylor Bubble to give him what he wanted. No other coach in the history of BU football got so much and bent the Baylor rules so far.

Baylor standards are way above other B12 schools and I have always been proud of that FACT.

You really are a TSTI grad aren't you? Paul Quinn?

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Easy there on the TSTI references. I know several grads from there who are plumbers or electricians that own their own businesses and make 4 or 5 times what some Baylor grads make. There's nothing wrong with the trades.

Thee University said:

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Dman said:

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Thee University said:

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Dman said:

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Thee University said:

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Thee. That One too many shots to the head in the glory years is showing again.

Think what you want about Briles, love him or hate him, but be factually correct. He didn't "bail on us". He was terminated. He'd still be here if given the choice and had he be given the same option to "fix his own problems and implementing reform"...just like the BoR. Therein embodies the divide. Therein embodies the hypocrisy.

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It was more than one too many shots and there were no glory years. We were average Baylor. .565 ball unless you allow me to forget about 1977 and 1978. That means we were a .750 program. Wait, allow me to only count 1 year. 1980. I was a part of .833. That my Cub friend is how shots to the head can affect you.

He was trying to leave us for UT. Fact. He failed.
He knew the Baylor rules and he could not abide by

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Fact. Your statement was innacurate. He didn't leave. He was terminated

Fact. He'd still be here if given the same luxury as the BoR. No way of knowing for how long.

Fact. Your changing your statement now. But Yes. All successful P5 coaches look at other schools. We've debated this before. College coaching isn't about "loyalty". Schools aren't loyal to coaches. They fire them when they don't win. Coaches aren't loyal to schools..they leave when they win. It's a job. It's about the $$. Holding Briles to another standard in this regard is just bitter pills. Think we will be loyal to Rhule if he has 3 more 1 win seasons? Think Rhule will stay forever if he starts winning? If not...do you hate him already?

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Wrong. Trying to leave. Reading comprehension. Good grief. Did you got to TSTI?

Wrong. BORs are appointed. Arthur was hired. And fired. BOR can't be fired.

Wrong. I've been rock solid and right for all along. Flirting and positioning to leave for UT, of all schools, was where he really went too far. UT? I'd rather he gone to Aggie Land with Phil Bennett. Never mind...........the Ags would NEVER hire Bennett back.

You forget just how far Baylor went outside our Baylor Bubble to give him what he wanted. No other coach in the history of BU football got so much and bent the Baylor rules so far.

Baylor standards are way above other B12 schools and I have always been proud of that FACT.

You really are a TSTI grad aren't you? Paul Quinn?

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Why do you keep going back and adjusting your comment that I factually corrected you on? It's there for ALL to see. You can't just change it to avoid the embarrassment of being called out.

Let's try this again:

Fact. You said, and I quote: "He **** in our nest and bailed on us". Your statement was innacurate. He didn't bail. He was terminated. Then you try this absurd narrative that he could have played it different and the BoR would have kept him?

Fact. He'd still be head coach if given the same luxury as the BoR to implement reform and fix his own problems. No way of knowing for how long..but it wasn't his choice to leave when he was terminated.

Fact. Your changing your statement now. But Yes. All successful P5 coaches look at other schools. We've debated this before. College coaching isn't about "loyalty". Schools aren't loyal to coaches. They fire them when they don't win. Coaches aren't loyal to schools..they leave when they win. It's a job. It's about the $$. Holding Briles to another standard in this regard is just bitter pills. Think we will be loyal to Rhule if he has 3 more 1 win seasons? Think Rhule will stay forever if he starts winning?

Everything i stated was fact, your attempts to spin it now is strange. It's right there for anyone to read. It's ok to simply walk away when your are wrong and caught being wrong. Doubling down on it and making changes to your statement is simply sad.

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Thee University said:

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Thee University said:

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Thee University said:

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Thee. That One too many shots to the head in the glory years is showing again.

Think what you want about Briles, love him or hate him, but be factually correct. He didn't "bail on us". He was terminated. He'd still be here if given the choice and had he be given the same option to "fix his own problems and implementing reform"...just like the BoR. Therein embodies the divide. Therein embodies the hypocrisy.

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It was more than one too many shots and there were no glory years. We were average Baylor. .565 ball unless you allow me to forget about 1977 and 1978. That means we were a .750 program. Wait, allow me to only count 1 year. 1980. I was a part of .833. That my Cub friend is how shots to the head can affect you.

He was trying to leave us for UT. Fact. He failed.
He knew the Baylor rules and he could not abide by

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Fact. Your statement was innacurate. He didn't leave. He was terminated

Fact. He'd still be here if given the same luxury as the BoR. No way of knowing for how long.

Fact. Your changing your statement now. But Yes. All successful P5 coaches look at other schools. We've debated this before. College coaching isn't about "loyalty". Schools aren't loyal to coaches. They fire them when they don't win. Coaches aren't loyal to schools..they leave when they win. It's a job. It's about the $$. Holding Briles to another standard in this regard is just bitter pills. Think we will be loyal to Rhule if he has 3 more 1 win seasons? Think Rhule will stay forever if he starts winning? If not...do you hate him already?

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Wrong. Trying to leave. Reading comprehension. Good grief. Did you got to TSTI?

Wrong. BORs are appointed. Arthur was hired. And fired. BOR can't be fired.

Wrong. I've been rock solid and right for all along. Flirting and positioning to leave for UT, of all schools, was where he really went too far. UT? I'd rather he gone to Aggie Land with Phil Bennett. Never mind...........the Ags would NEVER hire Bennett back.

You forget just how far Baylor went outside our Baylor Bubble to give him what he wanted. No other coach in the history of BU football got so much and bent the Baylor rules so far.

Baylor standards are way above other B12 schools and I have always been proud of that FACT.

You really are a TSTI grad aren't you? Paul Quinn?

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Easy there on the TSTI references. I know several grads from there who are plumbers or electricians that own their own businesses and make 4 or 5 times what some Baylor grads make. There's nothing wrong with the trades.

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It's just a sad attempt to distract from being caught, and yet doubling down, on defending an inaccurate statement. We all make them..we don't all double down when factually corrected.

Its a desperate statement he obviously doesn't actually believe, and can't validate.. but makes him feel good to throw out like it's an insult. Im proud to be 3rd generation Baylor grad, who paid for my own tuition and scholarships for athletes like him. I've been blessed and have also gladly offered on several occasions to help him get any care he needs with free neurological scans and consults through my companies. The offer still stands. It's getting worse.

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Thee University said:

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Dman said:

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Thee University said:

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Dman said:

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Thee University said:

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Thee. That One too many shots to the head in the glory years is showing again.

Think what you want about Briles, love him or hate him, but be factually correct. He didn't "bail on us". He was terminated. He'd still be here if given the choice and had he be given the same option to "fix his own problems and implementing reform"...just like the BoR. Therein embodies the divide. Therein embodies the hypocrisy.

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It was more than one too many shots and there were no glory years. We were average Baylor. .565 ball unless you allow me to forget about 1977 and 1978. That means we were a .750 program. Wait, allow me to only count 1 year. 1980. I was a part of .833. That my Cub friend is how shots to the head can affect you.

He was trying to leave us for UT. Fact. He failed.
He knew the Baylor rules and he could not abide by

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Fact. Your statement was innacurate. He didn't leave. He was terminated

Fact. He'd still be here if given the same luxury as the BoR. No way of knowing for how long.

Fact. Your changing your statement now. But Yes. All successful P5 coaches look at other schools. We've debated this before. College coaching isn't about "loyalty". Schools aren't loyal to coaches. They fire them when they don't win. Coaches aren't loyal to schools..they leave when they win. It's a job. It's about the $$. Holding Briles to another standard in this regard is just bitter pills. Think we will be loyal to Rhule if he has 3 more 1 win seasons? Think Rhule will stay forever if he starts winning? If not...do you hate him already?

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Wrong. Trying to leave. Reading comprehension. Good grief. Did you got to TSTI?

Wrong. BORs are appointed. Arthur was hired. And fired. BOR can't be fired.

Wrong. I've been rock solid and right for all along. Flirting and positioning to leave for UT, of all schools, was where he really went too far. UT? I'd rather he gone to Aggie Land with Phil Bennett. Never mind...........the Ags would NEVER hire Bennett back.

You forget just how far Baylor went outside our Baylor Bubble to give him what he wanted. No other coach in the history of BU football got so much and bent the Baylor rules so far.

Baylor standards are way above other B12 schools and I have always been proud of that FACT.

You really are a TSTI grad aren't you? Paul Quinn?

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Easy there on the TSTI references. I know several grads from there who are plumbers or electricians that own their own businesses and make 4 or 5 times what some Baylor grads make. There's nothing wrong with the trades.

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Yep. I have a buddy that got his degree in Laser Technology from TSTI and worked for NASA in Mississippi. He retired as a full bird Colonial with the Texas National Guard.

Hey, Thee, shut your pie hole you arrogant *****. My son finished at TSTI and makes 6 figures. Great career, family, kids and friends. They're all believers. You're an idiot.

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Thee University said:

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Thee. That One too many shots to the head in the glory years is showing again.

Think what you want about Briles, love him or hate him, but be factually correct. He didn't "bail on us". He was terminated. He'd still be here if given the choice and had he be given the same option to "fix his own problems and implementing reform"...just like the BoR. Therein embodies the divide. Therein embodies the hypocrisy.

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It was more than one too many shots and there were no glory years. We were average Baylor. .565 ball unless you allow me to forget about 1977 and 1978. That means we were a .750 program. Wait, allow me to only count 1 year. 1980. I was a part of .833. That my Cub friend is how shots to the head can affect you.

He was trying to leave us for UT. Fact. He failed.
He knew the Baylor rules and he could not abide by

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Fact. Your statement was innacurate. He didn't leave. He was terminated

Fact. He'd still be here if given the same luxury as the BoR. No way of knowing for how long.

Fact. Your changing your statement now. But Yes. All successful P5 coaches look at other schools. We've debated this before. College coaching isn't about "loyalty". Schools aren't loyal to coaches. They fire them when they don't win. Coaches aren't loyal to schools..they leave when they win. It's a job. It's about the $$. Holding Briles to another standard in this regard is just bitter pills. Think we will be loyal to Rhule if he has 3 more 1 win seasons? Think Rhule will stay forever if he starts winning? If not...do you hate him already?

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Wrong. Trying to leave. Reading comprehension. Good grief. Did you got to TSTI?

Wrong. BORs are appointed. Arthur was hired. And fired. BOR can't be fired.

Wrong. I've been rock solid and right for all along. Flirting and positioning to leave for UT, of all schools, was where he really went too far. UT? I'd rather he gone to Aggie Land with Phil Bennett. Never mind...........the Ags would NEVER hire Bennett back.

You forget just how far Baylor went outside our Baylor Bubble to give him what he wanted. No other coach in the history of BU football got so much and bent the Baylor rules so far.

Baylor standards are way above other B12 schools and I have always been proud of that FACT.

You really are a TSTI grad aren't you? Paul Quinn?

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Easy there on the TSTI references. I know several grads from there who are plumbers or electricians that own their own businesses and make 4 or 5 times what some Baylor grads make. There's nothing wrong with the trades.

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Yep. I have a buddy that got his degree in Laser Technology from TSTI and worked for NASA in Mississippi. He retired as a full bird Colonial with the Texas National Guard.

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Hats off to anyone trying to better their life through higher training and education. Why this would be a perceived insult says more about the person saying it than anything else.

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Hey, Thee, shut your pie hole you arrogant *****. My son finished at TSTI and makes 6 figures. Great career, family, kids and friends. They're all believers. You're an idiot.

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Well...I'll just let you take over on this front. You've got it more than covered. Congrats to your son! Many Baylor grads should be so lucky.

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Hey, Thee, shut your pie hole you arrogant *****. My son finished at TSTI and makes 6 figures. Great career, family, kids and friends. They're all believers. You're an idiot.

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Good for him and good for you. There are success stories everywhere.

I think if any of you have a sense of humor (most of you don't because you are arrogant dildos yourselves) that you understood what I meant. I don't and can't use the p-word you called me. It just seems so effeminate and yankee like.

You don't like it, don't read it. Dildo.

Thee University said:

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Thee University said:

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Thee University said:

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Briles will coach again. Somebody is going to hire him within the next year. Mark it down.

When it happens all of these little yapping chihuahuas will go orgasmic and start firing off posts left and right. Who cares? Buy a t-shirt and haul @$$. He ______ in our nest and bailed on us.

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Thee. That One too many shots to the head in the glory years is showing again.

Think what you want about Briles, love him or hate him, but be factually correct. He didn't "bail on us". He was terminated. He'd still be here if given the choice and had he be given the same option to "fix his own problems and implementing reform"...just like the BoR. Therein embodies the divide. Therein embodies the hypocrisy.

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It was more than one too many shots and there were no glory years. We were average Baylor. .565 ball unless you allow me to forget about 1977 and 1978. That means we were a .750 program. Wait, allow me to only count 1 year. 1980. I was a part of .833. That my Cub friend is how shots to the head can affect you.

He was trying to leave us for UT. Fact. He failed.
He knew the Baylor rules and he could not abide by

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Fact. Your statement was innacurate. He didn't leave. He was terminated

Fact. He'd still be here if given the same luxury as the BoR. No way of knowing for how long.

Fact. Your changing your statement now. But Yes. All successful P5 coaches look at other schools. We've debated this before. College coaching isn't about "loyalty". Schools aren't loyal to coaches. They fire them when they don't win. Coaches aren't loyal to schools..they leave when they win. It's a job. It's about the $$. Holding Briles to another standard in this regard is just bitter pills. Think we will be loyal to Rhule if he has 3 more 1 win seasons? Think Rhule will stay forever if he starts winning? If not...do you hate him already?

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Wrong. Trying to leave. Reading comprehension. Good grief. Did you got to TSTI?

Wrong. BORs are appointed. Arthur was hired. And fired. BOR can't be fired.

Wrong. I've been rock solid and right for all along. Flirting and positioning to leave for UT, of all schools, was where he really went too far. UT? I'd rather he gone to Aggie Land with Phil Bennett. Never mind...........the Ags would NEVER hire Bennett back.

You forget just how far Baylor went outside our Baylor Bubble to give him what he wanted. No other coach in the history of BU football got so much and bent the Baylor rules so far.

Baylor standards are way above other B12 schools and I have always been proud of that FACT.

You really are a TSTI grad aren't you? Paul Quinn?

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That's right, Baylor's standards are "way higher" because we're morally superior (tongue planted firmly in cheek). Makes you feel better about losing doesn't it? That's what really bugs me about the mindset of a lot of Baylor fans . . . and I worry - possibly many of our regents. I just hope the BOR didn't fire CAB in a knee jerk reaction to prove our supreme righteousness.