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Redlining and credit discrimination are two examples, in addition to the mass incarceration we discussed on another thread.

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Credit discrimination?
Redlining?

Can you explain those?

When are we mass incarcerating people? White cops are round up black en mass and putting them into prisons? I had not heard that.

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Black neighborhoods became increasingly segregated and impoverished throughout the 20th century because blacks were denied access to mortgages and loans. This in turn reduced investment and destroyed job opportunities. The idea of a black ghetto became a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Mass incarceration" refers to the overall effect of the drug war. It doesn't necessarily mean that police sweep through neighborhoods rounding up prisoners en masse. However, that does happen more often than you'd guess.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

https://www.thenation.com/article/new-jim-crow/

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Recent legal immigrants also live in the poor neighborhoods with reduced investment and reduced job opportunities. But, second generation immigrants make way more money than their parents, graduate college at much higher rates, are much more likely to own homes, and far less likely to be in poverty.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/02/07/second-generation-americans/

Why do immigrants from the same housing situation improve in as little as 20 years but the same does not happen for blacks in the same areas who are born here?

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I think there are a number of reasons. Blacks are still much more vulnerable to predatory lending, which affects not only their own credit worthiness but also that of their families, friends, and acquaintances. Credit ratings may be technically color blind, but the factors that go into credit algorithms have already been skewed by decades of discrimination. In this way old injustices are perpetuated. Like all catastrophes, the sexual revolution has done the most damage to those who were poorest and most vulnerable to begin with. Illegitimacy and promiscuity lead to even more poverty and violence. So the cycle continues.

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The single highest predictor of poverty is families led by a single mom. And, this is true across all races. Link to Study

IMO, the problem is not race. It doesn't matter which race is making babies without the continual presence of a father in the household. The problem is culture.

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I'm an exception to this rule although it's been a struggle

I'm different though that today, I believe, blacks don't have dads in home all their growing up years. That would matter much more than someone like myself that was fatherless at 13. My experience says that's the issue with poverty too and what drives me crazy about how entitlements force fatherless homes and that forces lack of discipline on the kids and leads to potential legal issues in early adulthood. Need to look these policies over and see how beneficial or detrimental they may truly be

Thanks for all that

If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

So, let me get this straight...want to make sure that I understand what you are saying.

To legalize all drugs would suddenly make black fathers stay home, get jobs, become supportive of their wives and children?

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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So, let me get this straight...want to make sure that I understand what you are saying.

To legalize all drugs would suddenly make black fathers stay home, get jobs, become supportive of their wives and children?

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Nope. Pretty sure those are your words, not mine. If I'm wrong quote me.

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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Yes.

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This is what you said.

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Help me understand. Why would the war on drugs affect blacks disproportionally from other races?

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Help me understand. Why would the war on drugs affect blacks disproportionally from other races?

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Blacks and whites used drugs at roughly the same rates.
Blacks were much more likely to be arrested for drug offenses.
Blacks were much more likely to prosecuted for low-level, non-violent offenses than whites.
Blacks were much more likely to do hard time for comparable offenses than whites, which meant they had a record that made it difficult to get a job and become productive citizens after their release.

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Help me understand. Why would the war on drugs affect blacks disproportionally from other races?

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Blacks and whites used drugs at roughly the same rates.
Blacks were much more likely to be arrested for drug offenses.
Blacks were much more likely to prosecuted for low-level, non-violent offenses than whites.
Blacks were much more likely to do hard time for comparable offenses than whites, which meant they had a record that made it difficult to get a job and become productive citizens after their release.

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You seriously need to learn the difference between causation and correlation.

But if you truly believe blacks are at a disadvantage because of whites, then I guess since you're white, you can go ahead and and give black men your ill gotten white skinned gains.

Go ahead and take 25% of your income and give it to blacks.

and yet no one posting here has refuted any of the facts put forth by Shapiro, Dinesh, Denzel, or Jesse Peterson

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Tbis is what you said.

A bit more than "yes."

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Correctamundo.

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes. Not all drug users are addicts. Most of them would be better fathers at home than in prison.

Wife and I had dinner tonight with a charming Japanese couple who are happily retired in their mid 50's while owning several apartment buildings in Vancouver.

Must have been due to Asian privilege.

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Help me understand. Why would the war on drugs affect blacks disproportionally from other races?

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Blacks and whites used drugs at roughly the same rates.
Blacks were much more likely to be arrested for drug offenses.
Blacks were much more likely to prosecuted for low-level, non-violent offenses than whites.
Blacks were much more likely to do hard time for comparable offenses than whites, which meant they had a record that made it difficult to get a job and become productive citizens after their release.

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So, I went to find some stats to back up your assertions.

I found that the stats that show that blacks and white use drugs at the same rate are mixed. It depends upon the mix of people you put together; male v female, age group, type of drug, etc. Frankly, you can find stats to back up both assertions; blacks use at the same rates as whites or blacks use at 20-30% higher rates than whites.

What seems clear is that blacks are incarcerated at higher rates than whites.

I did not find stats to back the claim that blacks do hRd time for comparable offenses. Can you link something reputable with numbers that show this?

I am not trying to pick your argument apart. Trying to learn.

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes. Not all drug users are addicts. Most of them would be better fathers at home than in prison.

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This sounds like Richard Pryor's old line about cocaine: "You can't get hooked on cocaine. I've got friends been snorting every day for 15 years and they ain't hooked."

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Help me understand. Why would the war on drugs affect blacks disproportionally from other races?

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Blacks and whites used drugs at roughly the same rates.
Blacks were much more likely to be arrested for drug offenses.
Blacks were much more likely to prosecuted for low-level, non-violent offenses than whites.
Blacks were much more likely to do hard time for comparable offenses than whites, which meant they had a record that made it difficult to get a job and become productive citizens after their release.

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So, I went to find some stats to back up your assertions.

I found that the stats that show that blacks and white use drugs at the same rate are mixed. It depends upon the mix of people you put together; male v female, age group, type of drug, etc. Frankly, you can find stats to back up both assertions; blacks use at the same rates as whites or blacks use at 20-30% higher rates than whites.

What seems clear is that blacks are incarcerated at higher rates than whites.

I did not find stats to back the claim that blacks do hRd time for comparable offenses. Can you link something reputable with numbers that show this?

I am not trying to pick your argument apart. Trying to learn.

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I can recommend a couple of books if you're interested.

One is called The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander. It's something of a history on the war on drugs, and it has an angry, rather strident perspective. This doesn't mean there isn't good information in it. I came away from the book thinking that, if a foreign enemy did to us what we did to ourselves with the drug war, we'd consider it much worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11 put together and hit them with everything we've got.

The other is called Locking Up Our Own by James Forman. It is something of an answer to Michelle Alexander's book. Forman points out that when jobs moved out and drugs and violent crime moved into the inner cities in the 1970s, it was black leaders (Eric Holder was one, I recall) who called strongly for more stringent responses by law enforcement, which had its own seriously negative consequences.

Alexander's book gives you the sense that the consequences of the war on drugs on black Americans were deliberately imposed, a la Jim Crow. Forman's book treats them more as unintended consequences. Both authors are African American.

Well this is gonna piss you off.

Trump gives thumbs up to prison sentencing reform bill.
Now you won't be able to use your rhetoric lol

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/400176-trump-gives-thumbs-up-to-prison-sentencing-reform-bill-at-pivotal-meeting

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#fakenews justification from the left to lay failure blame on anyone but themselves.

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It's not fake news to assert that you're oblivious to your attendant white privilege until it's no longer there.

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Being white (or brown or black or pink or purple) has zero bearing. I had equal opportunity as the kids of color in my hometown. I chose to go to study hard, chose to go to college, chose to get a job, chose to go to church, etc. We had the same opportunities and same choices; therefore, white privilege is a bullshlt excuse and lays blame of failure on others.

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That's what I always thought, too. I never felt privileged. We were lower middle class. We worked hard for everything.

But did you know that the GI Bill originally did not apply to African-Americans? I didn't until a couple of years ago. And in a way, that gave me an advantage when I got my first job out of Baylor, even though the GI Bill didn't directly apply to me.

Out of BU, I looked for jobs with newspapers. But I was at a disadvantage and didn't know any better. Journalism had been one of my majors, but I didn't bother working for the Lariat during the year more than was required. (Didn't care for Sharon Grigsby, who was one of the editors.) And I couldn't afford to take an unpaid summer internship because whatever I earned working in the summer had to be my spending money during the school year. So I came out of school without much of anything on my resume, nor many actual newspaper samples to show an editor.

But thanks to the GI Bill, my father and my uncle were the first in their families to go to college. They never could have afforded it otherwise. And because they had gone to college they had a professional network that non-college grads didn't have. My uncle had gone to school with a guy who was good friends with a big sports editor. He got his old college buddy to put in a word for me, and that got me in the door. He probably never would have even given my resume a second look otherwise. Once I got in the door, it was up to me, and I got the job. So I didn't feel especially privileged.

But the point is that a black guy with the same resume as mine and the same talent as me would have had a harder time getting into that door. His father wouldn't have been able to go to college on the GI Bill, so he wouldn't have had the network of college friends that my uncle had.

Would you call that white privilege? I don't see how you couldn't. But I never felt privileged. I wasn't even aware of it. That's how it works. And it's still out there in various forms. Few of them are obvious.

My best friend in HS got in a world of legal trouble. He and his girlfriend were part of a theft ring where they had a connection inside a department store who would let them "buy" stuff and ring it up for a tiny fraction of the actual cost. They stole hundreds of dollars worth of stuff (in 1970s dollars) in this way. They weren't hard up. My friend's father had a good white-collar job and a nice house. When they got caught, they could have faced felony charges. But my friend's father could afford a lawyer, and they worked out an arrangement to give or pay back what they had stolen. The charges were reduced and it didn't affect their record. My friend is now a tech executive, and his girlfriend (now wife) went on to be a schoolteacher.

Think things would have turned out that way had they been black and unable to afford a decent lawyer? I don't. And having a felony on their records would have changed their career prospects. Call it something other than white privilege if you want, but the reality is that my friends were able to get different treatment than someone with dark skin in that town would have gotten.

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I tried the same self revelatory tact but it's Pooh Pooh. "That was then. This is now."
I was born white in 1947 in Waco to a father at Baylor on the GI bill. I am guessing a Black boy was born down the hall in 1947 in the segregated wing of a Southern Baptist Hospital. That child's dad was a vet but not on the GI Bill. I went home to a segregated school- all white. And he went home to an all black school with inferior facilities and books.
If the white privilege doesn't out at you then you need an education. Try Malcolm X or James Baldwin or see "Taisin in the sun" or read the "The Strange Career Of Jim Crow." I did in Jan 1968. I was changed.

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bubbadog said:

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quash said:

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quash said:

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Correctamundo.

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Except that they made the choice to break the law...there's that

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bubbadog said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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cinque said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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#fakenews justification from the left to lay failure blame on anyone but themselves.

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It's not fake news to assert that you're oblivious to your attendant white privilege until it's no longer there.

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Being white (or brown or black or pink or purple) has zero bearing. I had equal opportunity as the kids of color in my hometown. I chose to go to study hard, chose to go to college, chose to get a job, chose to go to church, etc. We had the same opportunities and same choices; therefore, white privilege is a bullshlt excuse and lays blame of failure on others.

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That's what I always thought, too. I never felt privileged. We were lower middle class. We worked hard for everything.

But did you know that the GI Bill originally did not apply to African-Americans? I didn't until a couple of years ago. And in a way, that gave me an advantage when I got my first job out of Baylor, even though the GI Bill didn't directly apply to me.

Out of BU, I looked for jobs with newspapers. But I was at a disadvantage and didn't know any better. Journalism had been one of my majors, but I didn't bother working for the Lariat during the year more than was required. (Didn't care for Sharon Grigsby, who was one of the editors.) And I couldn't afford to take an unpaid summer internship because whatever I earned working in the summer had to be my spending money during the school year. So I came out of school without much of anything on my resume, nor many actual newspaper samples to show an editor.

But thanks to the GI Bill, my father and my uncle were the first in their families to go to college. They never could have afforded it otherwise. And because they had gone to college they had a professional network that non-college grads didn't have. My uncle had gone to school with a guy who was good friends with a big sports editor. He got his old college buddy to put in a word for me, and that got me in the door. He probably never would have even given my resume a second look otherwise. Once I got in the door, it was up to me, and I got the job. So I didn't feel especially privileged.

But the point is that a black guy with the same resume as mine and the same talent as me would have had a harder time getting into that door. His father wouldn't have been able to go to college on the GI Bill, so he wouldn't have had the network of college friends that my uncle had.

Would you call that white privilege? I don't see how you couldn't. But I never felt privileged. I wasn't even aware of it. That's how it works. And it's still out there in various forms. Few of them are obvious.

My best friend in HS got in a world of legal trouble. He and his girlfriend were part of a theft ring where they had a connection inside a department store who would let them "buy" stuff and ring it up for a tiny fraction of the actual cost. They stole hundreds of dollars worth of stuff (in 1970s dollars) in this way. They weren't hard up. My friend's father had a good white-collar job and a nice house. When they got caught, they could have faced felony charges. But my friend's father could afford a lawyer, and they worked out an arrangement to give or pay back what they had stolen. The charges were reduced and it didn't affect their record. My friend is now a tech executive, and his girlfriend (now wife) went on to be a schoolteacher.

Think things would have turned out that way had they been black and unable to afford a decent lawyer? I don't. And having a felony on their records would have changed their career prospects. Call it something other than white privilege if you want, but the reality is that my friends were able to get different treatment than someone with dark skin in that town would have gotten.

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I tried the same self revelatory tact but it's Pooh Pooh. "That was then. This is now."
I was born white in 1947 in Waco to a father at Baylor on the GI bill. I am guessing a Black boy was born down the hall in 1947 in the segregated wing of a Southern Baptist Hospital. That child's dad was a vet but not on the GI Bill. I went home to a segregated school- all white. And he went home to an all black school with inferior facilities and books.
If the white privilege doesn't out at you then you need an education. Try Malcolm X or James Baldwin or see "Taisin in the sun" or read the "The Strange Career Of Jim Crow." I did in Jan 1968. I was changed.

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No one ever said that it didn't happen. Funny though that your dad and you supported the party that governmentally forced discrimination on blacks...so much for being liberal.

What everyone is saying is the institutional racism and whites privilege doesn't happen now.

I had a hard life but I made choices to be better. Neither of those were due to white people.

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quash said:

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quash said:

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Correctamundo.

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Except that they made the choice to break the law...there's that

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Which really is a non issue for liberals like Quash/Cinque

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Correctamundo.

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Except that they made the choice to break the law...there's that

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Which really is a non issue for liberals like Quash/Cinque

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Yeah I know. Black=right; white=wrong. Wonder what Hispanic equals?

Fadskier "No one ever said that it didn't happen. Funny though that your dad and you supported the party that governmentally forced discrimination on blacks...so much for being liberal.

What everyone is saying is the institutional racism and whites privilege doesn't happen now.

I had a hard life but I made choices to be better. Neither of those were due to white people."
No, you liar. You know nothing of Texa politics. Liberals Democrats existed in 50s and 60s.

"Yeah I know. Black=right; white=wrong. Wonder what Hispanic equals?"
Made up reality. In other words a lie

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Correctamundo.

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Except that they made the choice to break the law...there's that

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Which really is a non issue for liberals like Quash/Cinque

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Yeah I know. Black=right; white=wrong. Wonder what Hispanic equals?

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Nancy Pelosi thinks they equal cheap labor for her family's vast financial interests.

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Correctamundo.

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Except that they made the choice to break the law...there's that

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Which really is a non issue for liberals like Quash/Cinque

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Yeah I know. Black=right; white=wrong. Wonder what Hispanic equals?

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Nancy Pelosi thinks they equal cheap labor for her family's vast financial interests.

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Cuz no Republicans hire undocumented immigrants, amirite?

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Correctamundo.

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Except that they made the choice to break the law...there's that

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Which really is a non issue for liberals like Quash/Cinque

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Yeah I know. Black=right; white=wrong. Wonder what Hispanic equals?

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Nancy Pelosi thinks they equal cheap labor for her family's vast financial interests.

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Cuz no Republicans hire undocumented immigrants, amirite?

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Never claimed otherwise. Just answered the question as asked.

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"Yeah I know. Black=right; white=wrong. Wonder what Hispanic equals?"
Made up reality. In other words a lie

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That's what I'd say if I were you

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quash said:

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quash said:

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If you want more engaged black fathers end the war on drugs.

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While I agree that the war on drugs has been a complete failure, will legalizing drugs make them better fathers?

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Yes.

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I have Dip**** on Ignore, but your answer made his question visible to me. So just to amplify on your answer, yes it would at least give them the opportunity to be better parents. It means they wouldn't be separated from their families because they had to do serious jail time for a minor, nonviolent drug-related offense. And it means they would have a better chance of getting a decent job, which is very difficult if not impossible with a drug conviction on the record. You could make a good case that nothing has done more damage to black families since 1980 than the war on drugs.

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Correctamundo.

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Except that they made the choice to break the law...there's that

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Which really is a non issue for liberals like Quash/Cinque

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Yeah I know. Black=right; white=wrong. Wonder what Hispanic equals?

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Nancy Pelosi thinks they equal cheap labor for her family's vast financial interests.

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Cuz no Republicans hire undocumented immigrants, amirite?

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Never claimed otherwise. Just answered the question as asked.

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No, you didn't.

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Fadskier "No one ever said that it didn't happen. Funny though that your dad and you supported the party that governmentally forced discrimination on blacks...so much for being liberal.

What everyone is saying is the institutional racism and whites privilege doesn't happen now.

I had a hard life but I made choices to be better. Neither of those were due to white people."
No, you liar. You know nothing of Texa politics. Liberals Democrats existed in 50s and 60s.

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What?

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and yet no one posting here has refuted any of the facts put forth by Shapiro, Dinesh, Denzel, or Jesse Peterson

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Here you go.

The first statistic he cites is the one that favors two-parent families, pointing out that blacks from two parent families do better than whites from one-parent families. I'm sure that is true, but it is completely irrelevant to the white privilege question. Simple apples and oranges.

The relevant comparisons are how do blacks from two-parent families do against whites from two-parent families and how blacks from one-parent families do against whites from one-parent families, statistics the speaker leaves out for a reason. If there is a difference apples to apples (hint: there is), race might be a factor that explains that difference.

Overall, his point is make better choices, get better results. That is awesome life advice and everyone needs to take it. But it ignores these two things: (1) you still get different outcomes when people of different color make the same choices and (2) it is easier for whites to make the good choices.

I'm sure you will scream and shout about that second point, but the speaker himself proved it. He says about 20 times that black neighborhoods are under-policed. Meaning a black teen tempted to commit a crime is less likely to be dissuaded by police presence. The entire infrastructure in black communities is less robust than in white communities; the result is people doing things they would not otherwise do.

White privilege can exist even if it is not the most important factor holding back minorities. Any half-wit can cherry-pick statistics, talk real fast and convince like-minded half-wits he is brilliant. That is all that is happening in the video.

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Fadskier "No one ever said that it didn't happen. Funny though that your dad and you supported the party that governmentally forced discrimination on blacks...so much for being liberal.

What everyone is saying is the institutional racism and whites privilege doesn't happen now.

I had a hard life but I made choices to be better. Neither of those were due to white people."
No, you liar. You know nothing of Texa politics. Liberals Democrats existed in 50s and 60s.

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What?

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What? You made a stupid accusation about Dems. You know nothing of Texas history and Dems