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Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Fadskier, You were right. My apologies
You said "Yes we all know you're opinion...Trump is racist, white people are racist, abortion should be blessed and the Bible only means what YOU say it means. We got it. You're wrong on all accounts, but keep babbling."
Trump is a racist. White people are not racist. But they need to examine their souls if they vote for a racist like Trump. The Bible means what it says but one has to be very clear about what is says.
I have said abortion should be blessed - You damn liar. Yeah I cussed you because you keep repeating a lie and I need to get your attention.
The Bible says what it means but God gave us a mind to interpret. Jesus said, "cut off your hand if it offends you." I think that needs interpretation; don't you?
My 5: 30 "And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."

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Where is your evidence that a Trump is racist? You condone, support abortion. Not a lie. Your interpretation of the Bible would include anything that gives you ease about your beliefs.

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evidence? For the 1,000th Time Birtherism.

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You're saying Hillary is racist?

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Nope just another straw woman on your part and you know it. It's sad you hold on to a silly, silly lie.
P. S. Blacks held DT responsible not HRC. I'm going with their analysis not your lily white lie.

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If you believe in white privilege, then what are your solutions for it and what are you doing to keep yourself from being a hypocrite?

White tax?

Head start (money) given to everyone who isn't white?

Limits on freedoms towards white people?

If being white is the easy difficulty on the game of life, what are you doing to increase your own difficulty?

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Educate yourself on the actual meaning of white privilege and you'll see why your suggestions are unneeded.

Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Doc Holliday said:

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If you believe in white privilege, then what are your solutions for it and what are you doing to keep yourself from being a hypocrite?

White tax?

Head start (money) given to everyone who isn't white?

Limits on freedoms towards white people?

If being white is the easy difficulty on the game of life, what are you doing to increase your own difficulty?

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Educate yourself on the actual meaning of white privilege and you'll see why your suggestions are unneeded.

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Watch this video to understand my POV:

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If you believe in white privilege, then what are your solutions for it and what are you doing to keep yourself from being a hypocrite?

White tax?

Head start (money) given to everyone who isn't white?

Limits on freedoms towards white people?

If being white is the easy difficulty on the game of life, what are you doing to increase your own difficulty?

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In South Africa they're taking lands owned by white farmers with no compensation

You'll then see starvation being major issue in South Africa in coming years

Socialists(Democrats) aren't chess players. They never see much further than their nose. Socialism has never been successful and has always eventually failed due to poverty and death

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Doc Holliday said:

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If you believe in white privilege, then what are your solutions for it and what are you doing to keep yourself from being a hypocrite?

White tax?

Head start (money) given to everyone who isn't white?

Limits on freedoms towards white people?

If being white is the easy difficulty on the game of life, what are you doing to increase your own difficulty?

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In South Africa they're taking lands owned by white farmers with no compensation

You'll then see starvation being major issue in South Africa in coming years

Socialists(Democrats) aren't chess players. They never see much further than their nose. Socialism has never been successful and has always eventually failed due to poverty and death

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Yep

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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Doc Holliday said:

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If you believe in white privilege, then what are your solutions for it and what are you doing to keep yourself from being a hypocrite?

White tax?

Head start (money) given to everyone who isn't white?

Limits on freedoms towards white people?

If being white is the easy difficulty on the game of life, what are you doing to increase your own difficulty?

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Educate yourself on the actual meaning of white privilege and you'll see why your suggestions are unneeded.

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Watch this video to understand my POV:

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Sigh.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

fadskier said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

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that are white, black, and brown.

Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.

fadskier said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

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that are white, black, and brown.

Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.

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Because you choose not to see it.

quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

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that are white, black, and brown.

Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.

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Because you choose not to see it.

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Yeah...uh huh...you right bro.

quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

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that are white, black, and brown.

Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.

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Because you choose not to see it.

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What's your end goal here? What is it that you want from pushing the awareness of white privilege?

From my POV everyone positioned and on board with accepting white privilege is also on board with making life harder for whites or forcing equality of outcome by penalizing people.

If it's anything other than that then you're not going to get anywhere other than demonizing white people.
And building rage in non whites which leads to violence, hatred and dismissive of whites.

Is there Asian and Indian privilege considering they make higher incomes, more educated and successful than whites?

fadskier said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

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that are white, black, and brown.

Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.

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Because you choose not to see it.

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Yeah...uh huh...you right bro.

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I understand. Nobody can discuss border policy with you unless they lived it as long as you did, so something you claim not to experience must not exist. That's your... privilege.

Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

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that are white, black, and brown.

Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.

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Because you choose not to see it.

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What's your end goal here? What is it that you want from pushing the awareness of white privilege?

From my POV everyone positioned and on board with accepting white privilege is also on board with making life harder for whites or forcing equality of outcome by penalizing people.

If it's anything other than that then you're not going to get anywhere other than demonizing white people.
And building rage in non whites which leads to violence, hatred and dismissive of whites.

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We could put fewer people in prison. That doesn't demonize whites or make life harder for anyone.

Dear White Guys,
1). How does it politically or economically hurt you to acknowledge white privilege?
2). How does it hurt you culturally, historically, or economically to acknowledge slavery as the primary cause of slavery?
3) How does it effect you in any way to acknowledge police brutality of blacks and needless gunning down of blacks?
4). How does it affect you to acknowledge that racism still exists systemically and that racism is more than the n-word?
5) Finally, If Dems are the party of slavery and continued dependency what are your policies for offering a hand up to blacks?
Thank you.

Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

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that are white, black, and brown.

Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.

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Because you choose not to see it.

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What's your end goal here? What is it that you want from pushing the awareness of white privilege?

From my POV everyone positioned and on board with accepting white privilege is also on board with making life harder for whites or forcing equality of outcome by penalizing people.

If it's anything other than that then you're not going to get anywhere other than demonizing white people.
And building rage in non whites which leads to violence, hatred and dismissive of whites.

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We could put fewer people in prison. That doesn't demonize whites or make life harder for anyone.

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Trump is in full favor of prison reform FYI.

But I don't think some of you understand the fire you're playing with here.
White Privilege is reprehensible.

The idea that you can target an ethnic group with a collective crime, regardless of the specific innocence or guilt of the constituent elements of that group, there is absolutely nothing that's more racist than that.

Read about the Kulaks in the soviet union in the 1920's: They were farmers who were very productive, the most productive element in that strata. They were virtually all killed, raped and robbed by the collectivists who insisted that because they showed signs of wealth, they were criminals.
One of the consequences of the prosecution of the Kulaks was the death of 6 million Ukrainians from the famine in the 1930's.

The idea of collectively held guilt at the level of the individual as a legal or philosophical principle is extremely dangerous.

Doc Holliday said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

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that are white, black, and brown.

Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.

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Because you choose not to see it.

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What's your end goal here? What is it that you want from pushing the awareness of white privilege?

From my POV everyone positioned and on board with accepting white privilege is also on board with making life harder for whites or forcing equality of outcome by penalizing people.

If it's anything other than that then you're not going to get anywhere other than demonizing white people.
And building rage in non whites which leads to violence, hatred and dismissive of whites.

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We could put fewer people in prison. That doesn't demonize whites or make life harder for anyone.

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Trump is in full favor of prison reform FYI.

But I don't think some of you understand the fire you're playing with here.
White Privilege is reprehensible.

The idea that you can target an ethnic group with a collective crime, regardless of the specific innocence or guilt of the constituent elements of that group, there is absolutely nothing that's more racist than that.

Read about the Kulaks in the soviet union in the 1920's: They were farmers who were very productive, the most productive element in that strata. They were virtually all killed, raped and robbed by the collectivists who insisted that because they showed signs of wealth, they were criminals.
One of the consequences of the prosecution of the Kulaks was the death of 6 million Ukrainians from the famine in the 1930's.

The idea of collectively held guilt at the level of the individual as a legal or philosophical principle is extremely dangerous.

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I agree. I don't think of it as a crime, but there is definitely that tendency on the left.

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Dear White Guys,
1). How does it politically or economically hurt you to acknowledge white privilege?
2). How does it hurt you culturally, historically, or economically to acknowledge slavery as the primary cause of slavery?
3) How does it effect you in any way to acknowledge police brutality of blacks and needless gunning down of blacks?
4). How does it affect you to acknowledge that racism still exists systemically and that racism is more than the n-word?
5) Finally, If Dems are the party of slavery and continued dependency what are your policies for offering a hand up to blacks?
Thank you.

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1). How does it politically or economically hurt you to acknowledge white privilege?

Politically: Groups that push acceptance of white privilege advocate for dismissing viewpoints from whites based on the belief that whites can't possibly understand the plight of non whites. This means advocating for removing whites from office, Hollywood, television, corporations and son on.

As to force the equality of outcome.

Economically: Increased affirmative action to rid oneself of white privilege means advocating for less opportunities for whites in the future.

2). How does it hurt you culturally, historically, or economically to acknowledge slavery as the primary cause of slavery?

Um what?

3). How does it effect you in any way to acknowledge police brutality of blacks and needless gunning down of blacks?

We must look to reasons other than simple racism on the part of the police, who end up holding the ball for a lot of failed systemic issues.

More than half of the unarmed people killed by police suffered from mental-health issues, drug intoxication, physical disability, or some combination of them. That's something public-health policies can address head-on.

Also you need to look at all the statistics before accepting that it's racism.

In 74 percent of all fatal police shootings, the individuals had already fired shots, brandished a gun or attacked a person with a weapon or their bare hands. Another 16 percent of the shootings came after incidents that did not involve firearms or active attacks but featured other potentially dangerous threats.

4). How does it affect you to acknowledge that racism still exists systemically and that racism is more than the n-word?

I think those that believe racism is systematic will desire to undo what they perceive is systematic...meaning attack whites.

5) Finally, If Dems are the party of slavery and continued dependency what are your policies for offering a hand up to blacks?

Mostly cultural problems stemming from lack of parents and education (this effects all races btw).

I like MLK's and Candace Owens view on the subject: stop being a victim, stop seeing race and start adopting culture that produces success.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

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that are white, black, and brown.

Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.

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Because you choose not to see it.

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Yeah...uh huh...you right bro.

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I understand. Nobody can discuss border policy with you unless they lived it as long as you did, so something you claim not to experience must not exist. That's your... privilege.

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No, you just speak of border policy that you read about, rather than listen to people who are living it.

It's hard to experience white privilege when many people think I'm Hispanic. I've been profiled as have many...I just get over it. Police are doing their job, I'm thankful. Have you experienced white privilege?

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I posted about it. You replied. ***?

Waco1947 said:

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Dear White Guys,
1). How does it politically or economically hurt you to acknowledge white privilege?
2). How does it hurt you culturally, historically, or economically to acknowledge slavery as the primary cause of slavery?
3) How does it effect you in any way to acknowledge police brutality of blacks and needless gunning down of blacks?
4). How does it affect you to acknowledge that racism still exists systemically and that racism is more than the n-word?
5) Finally, If Dems are the party of slavery and continued dependency what are your policies for offering a hand up to blacks?
Thank you.

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it hurts their ego... they like to believe that they made it all on their own with no breaks, no advantages, no open doors that they didn't break down with a loose leaf notebook and their bare hands... To say that anyone else had obstacles that they didn't have and cannot comprehend, makes them feel weak

Doc said "1). How does it politically or economically hurt you to acknowledge white privilege?

Politically: Groups that push acceptance of white privilege advocate for dismissing viewpoints from whites based on the belief that whites can't possibly understand the plight of non whites. This means advocating for removing whites from office, Hollywood, television, corporations and son on.

As to force the equality of outcome.

Economically: Increased affirmative action to rid oneself of white privilege means advocating for less opportunities for whites in the future."
There ain't so slippery slope for acknowledging white privilege. That's a fallacy. You made up those results.
White privilege is a thing consequently we need affirmative action What about students in low-income communities? Many grow up handling responsibilities that most well-off peers can't begin to fathom. They often make their way through under-resourced schools in large classes taught by overstretched teachers. They are reminded regularly of their academic "limitations" as they are assessed relentlessly on mind-numbing tests. And for those who do overcome enormous obstacles and claw their way into a top college? They encounter upper-crust classmates questioning whether they belong, as evidenced by the recent "Affirmative Dissatisfaction" controversy at Harvard.

Yet on the dimensions of tenacity and grit, as well as personal accomplishment, these students run circles around many "highly qualified" upper-crust applicants. And, in fact, research by former university presidents William Bowen and Derek Bok on the outcomes of affirmative action programs found that minority students admitted to selective universities did as well or better than their white counterparts on a number of outcomes and opened doors for generations after them.

Suppose for a moment that we lived in a world where our education system cared more about grit than GPAs. About resourcefulness than parents' resources. About ability to create rather than ability to cram. About whether a young person is passionate about making the world better, or is simply seeking to follow his parent's footsteps into the 1 percent? In that world, we might look at a prep school graduate at Harvard and say, "Gee, I wonder if he got here through the school's 'rich kid' affirmative action initiative? Does he really have the grit to belong here?" The Atlantic

Doc said "2). How does it hurt you culturally, historically, or economically to acknowledge slavery as the primary cause of slavery?

Um what? "
Some yokel (pardon) will argue against it every time slavey is brought as the cause of the CW. It's a historical fact. What does it hurt to admit fact?

Doc said,"3). How does it effect you in any way to acknowledge police brutality of blacks and needless gunning down of blacks?

We must look to reasons other than simple racism on the part of the police, who end up holding the ball for a lot of failed systemic issues.

More than half of the unarmed people killed by police suffered from mental-health issues, drug intoxication, physical disability, or some combination of them. That's something public-health policies can address head-on.

Also you need to look at all the statistics before accepting that it's racism.

In 74 percent of all fatal police shootings, the individuals had already fired shots, brandished a gun or attacked a person with a weapon or their bare hands. Another 16 percent of the shootings came after incidents that did not involve firearms or active attacks but featured other potentially dangerous threats."
My answer? I never said it's "simple racism." Some blacks (and whites and all colors) require a shooting response. But racism is a factor, a major factor but of course it is complex. One does not shoot another human being without deep psychological issues (true of soldiers too) so I know these officers suffer terrible anguish if they pull the trigger. But tacism is a factor DWB (Driving While Black) is a thing.
All I'm saying is racism is a thing and can lead to pulling trigger too soon. I am not trying to racism on every cop shooting of blacks but one can acknowledge it's a factor.
Your answer makes it sound like RACISM is the answer. All I am saying and blacks and Karpernick are saying "Acknowledge, look at it, address it in yourself and the police department. Personal witness by blacks is the best training not lecturing whites simply hear "It's all my fault." That's not the case. But we need to listen to one another

Doc said "4). How does it affect you to acknowledge that racism still exists systemically and that racism is more than the n-word?

I think those that believe racism is systematic will desire to undo what they perceive is systematic...meaning attack whites. "
'Attack whites' is in your head not black heads. Attend a black church for 4 Sundays. See what your experience is.

Doc said "5) Finally, If Dems are the party of slavery and continued dependency what are your policies for offering a hand up to blacks?

Mostly cultural problems stemming from lack of parents and education (this effects all races btw).

I like MLK's and Candace Owens view on the subject: stop being a victim, stop seeing race and start adopting culture that produces success.
"Being a victim" is a gop straw man. You have no proof.
"Stop seeing race." Race is a thing and can't be avoided. It's cultural. A better agenda is "Tell me what's it like being black." That's put responsibility on you Doc.
"Adopt a culture that produces success."
Describe this culture fore me.
Finally i would like to know what the GOP offers as policy for a hand up not a hand out.

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Doc said "1). How does it politically or economically hurt you to acknowledge white privilege?

Politically: Groups that push acceptance of white privilege advocate for dismissing viewpoints from whites based on the belief that whites can't possibly understand the plight of non whites. This means advocating for removing whites from office, Hollywood, television, corporations and son on.

As to force the equality of outcome.

Economically: Increased affirmative action to rid oneself of white privilege means advocating for less opportunities for whites in the future."
There ain't so slippery slope for acknowledging white privilege. That's a fallacy. You made up those results.
White privilege is a thing consequently we need affirmative action What about students in low-income communities? Many grow up handling responsibilities that most well-off peers can't begin to fathom. They often make their way through under-resourced schools in large classes taught by overstretched teachers. They are reminded regularly of their academic "limitations" as they are assessed relentlessly on mind-numbing tests. And for those who do overcome enormous obstacles and claw their way into a top college? They encounter upper-crust classmates questioning whether they belong, as evidenced by the recent "Affirmative Dissatisfaction" controversy at Harvard.

Yet on the dimensions of tenacity and grit, as well as personal accomplishment, these students run circles around many "highly qualified" upper-crust applicants. And, in fact, research by former university presidents William Bowen and Derek Bok on the outcomes of affirmative action programs found that minority students admitted to selective universities did as well or better than their white counterparts on a number of outcomes and opened doors for generations after them.

Suppose for a moment that we lived in a world where our education system cared more about grit than GPAs. About resourcefulness than parents' resources. About ability to create rather than ability to cram. About whether a young person is passionate about making the world better, or is simply seeking to follow his parent's footsteps into the 1 percent? In that world, we might look at a prep school graduate at Harvard and say, "Gee, I wonder if he got here through the school's 'rich kid' affirmative action initiative? Does he really have the grit to belong here?" The Atlantic

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Sorry, just so I am clear. Please confirm.

Your response was "There ain't so slippery slope for acknowledging white privilege. That's a fallacy. You made up those results. White privilege is a thing consequently we need affirmative action"

I understood the rest of the response as a poorly cited copy and paste of multiple paragraphs from someone else's position on affirmative action.



Washington Post Article:
Actually, we still need affirmative action for African Americans in college admissions. Here's why.
From 8/2/2017

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/08/02/actually-we-still-need-affirmative-action-for-african-americans-in-college-admissions-heres-why/?utm_term=.6a25ee7680c7

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

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that are white, black, and brown.

Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.

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Because you choose not to see it.

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Yeah...uh huh...you right bro.

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I understand. Nobody can discuss border policy with you unless they lived it as long as you did, so something you claim not to experience must not exist. That's your... privilege.

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No, you just speak of border policy that you read about, rather than listen to people who are living it.

It's hard to experience white privilege when many people think I'm Hispanic. I've been profiled as have many...I just get over it. Police are doing their job, I'm thankful. Have you experienced white privilege?

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I posted about it. You replied. ***?

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So if you have it, what are you doing about it? Do you just announce it so that it clears you conscience?

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Doc said "1). How does it politically or economically hurt you to acknowledge white privilege?

Politically: Groups that push acceptance of white privilege advocate for dismissing viewpoints from whites based on the belief that whites can't possibly understand the plight of non whites. This means advocating for removing whites from office, Hollywood, television, corporations and son on.

As to force the equality of outcome.

Economically: Increased affirmative action to rid oneself of white privilege means advocating for less opportunities for whites in the future."
There ain't so slippery slope for acknowledging white privilege. That's a fallacy. You made up those results.
White privilege is a thing consequently we need affirmative action What about students in low-income communities? Many grow up handling responsibilities that most well-off peers can't begin to fathom. They often make their way through under-resourced schools in large classes taught by overstretched teachers. They are reminded regularly of their academic "limitations" as they are assessed relentlessly on mind-numbing tests. And for those who do overcome enormous obstacles and claw their way into a top college? They encounter upper-crust classmates questioning whether they belong, as evidenced by the recent "Affirmative Dissatisfaction" controversy at Harvard.

Yet on the dimensions of tenacity and grit, as well as personal accomplishment, these students run circles around many "highly qualified" upper-crust applicants. And, in fact, research by former university presidents William Bowen and Derek Bok on the outcomes of affirmative action programs found that minority students admitted to selective universities did as well or better than their white counterparts on a number of outcomes and opened doors for generations after them.

Suppose for a moment that we lived in a world where our education system cared more about grit than GPAs. About resourcefulness than parents' resources. About ability to create rather than ability to cram. About whether a young person is passionate about making the world better, or is simply seeking to follow his parent's footsteps into the 1 percent? In that world, we might look at a prep school graduate at Harvard and say, "Gee, I wonder if he got here through the school's 'rich kid' affirmative action initiative? Does he really have the grit to belong here?" The Atlantic

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Sorry, just so I am clear. Please confirm.

Your response was "There ain't so slippery slope for acknowledging white privilege. That's a fallacy. You made up those results. White privilege is a thing consequently we need affirmative action"

I understood the rest of the response as a poorly cited copy and paste of multiple paragraphs from someone else's position on affirmative action.



Washington Post Article:
Actually, we still need affirmative action for African Americans in college admissions. Here's why.
From 8/2/2017

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/08/02/actually-we-still-need-affirmative-action-for-african-americans-in-college-admissions-heres-why/?utm_term=.6a25ee7680c7

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so you're agreeing with me?

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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fadskier said:

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quash said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Beck is using an excessively broad definition of white privilege because that's the definition that's become accepted. See for example those ridiculous and demeaning videos where people line up and take a step forward for each privilege they have.

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Video? Man, I had to participate in one of those. Except you stepped back. The person closest to the middle (least privileged) was an ablebodied cis white male. Next was a black woman and then me. All about definitions.

Yesterday I went fishing with my son in one of those tony exurb neighborhoods with a chain of "cement ponds" stocked with perch and largemouth bass. My privilege was invisible: nobody asked if we lived there, nobody assumed that my son's parents were never married, nobody was afraid of me and no crime watch wannabe cop called 911 and then stalked my son.

And nobody blamed me for my life choices.

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You a countless millions of other people across this country....

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Now you're getting a small piece of it.

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that are white, black, and brown.

Millions move on about their lives not harassed or questioned or anything. There are exceptions of course. But white privilege does not exist.

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Because you choose not to see it.

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Yeah...uh huh...you right bro.

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I understand. Nobody can discuss border policy with you unless they lived it as long as you did, so something you claim not to experience must not exist. That's your... privilege.

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No, you just speak of border policy that you read about, rather than listen to people who are living it.

It's hard to experience white privilege when many people think I'm Hispanic. I've been profiled as have many...I just get over it. Police are doing their job, I'm thankful. Have you experienced white privilege?

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I posted about it. You replied. ***?

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So if you have it, what are you doing about it? Do you just announce it so that it clears you conscience?

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No, not at all. It mainly comes into play silently. I just repress the urge to tell the judge "Humph, bet you got into law school through affirmative action."

Or to lecture my client about life choices.

Or stop random black folk to see if they have a criminal record, or can cite the homicide rate in Chicago or DC or Baltimore or America.

It's a real time saver.

Bruce Leroy said:
"Sorry, just so I am clear. Please confirm.

Your response was "There ain't nonslippery slope for acknowledging white privilege. That's a fallacy. You made up those results. White privilege is a thing consequently we need affirmative action". Waco1947 agreed / I did change 'so' to 'no slippery dlope'. -

I understood the rest of the response as a poorly cited copy and paste of multiple paragraphs from someone else's position on affirmative action. Yes, it was Atlantic _



Washington Post Article:
Actually, we still need affirmative action for African Americans in college admissions. Here's why."
So again are you saying you agree? Please confirm