Call it: How many US deaths from COVID-19, and why?

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Florda_mike
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GruntTuff said:

Florda_mike said:

Buddha Bear said:

Bump*

Just in case anyone wants to revise their predictions...


I'll stick w my 450 prediction with Chloroquine on the way now as we sit at 115 today I believe

Trump's fixing to be a hero in about 60 days max


We will follow this prediction carefully. Your hero in the White House doesn't believe your enlightened and scientifically researched prediction.

Are you going to be man enough to be on this thread two weeks from now?

Yes or no. I will be here to take my lumps if I'm wrong.

How about you?


I hope I'm not wrong and I've not heard my "hero in WH" predict anything but he's warning a potential catastrophe before cure of Chloroquine has been allowed. Chloroquine stopped it in tracks in 2 countries and 1 continent already, why not here

I'm the one that was pumping chloroquine here, long before Trump mentioned it yesterday, so I'll toot my horn there since you'd like me to admit being wrong on death toll. But I'm sure there'll be plenty here that'll make us aware of any variation in what I predict unless it's <450! I pray I'm high on my prediction where many here hope I'm severely low as long as it doesn't touch someone they care about

Shameful democrats and anti-Trumpers we live around

The truth would set us free but democrats stay in the way of truth
Florda_mike
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Don't know where this Porteroso dude appeared from but he appears a Socialist pumper

They don't know how to think as hard as we try to help em

Sickening close minded losers is all I consider them
Oldbear83
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Seems like a lot of extreme opinions in this thread.

I think most of us balance the matter with information which feeds both concern and optimism.
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quash
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Florda_mike said:

Don't know where this Porteroso dude appeared from but he appears a Socialist pumper

They don't know how to think as hard as we try to help em

Sickening close minded losers is all I consider them
Great, another Iron-O-Meter bites the dust and no new ones available.
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Florda_mike
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So why are you defending

Ha, perhaps you're Portoroso too?
Shakesbear
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The typical flu affects 5-20% of the US population on average every year.

Let's say 5% of the US population get the novel coronavirus this year;

The typical flu kills roughly .01% of people who contract it, and in the worst case scenario, the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, killed about 2% of those who contracted it;

There are roughly 350 million people in the US now, so let's use the lowest end of the spectrum on how many people typically get the flue, 5%;

That would give us 17.5 million cases of coronavirus;

The lowest end statistic on the number of deaths would be .01% X 17.5 million = 17,500 deaths;

The highest end statistic on the number of deaths would be 2% X 17.5 million = 350,000 deaths;

As of today, worldwide, there have been 286,955 cases of coronavirus reported, and 11,980 deaths = 4.2% death rate;

There in lies the rub.
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Guy Noir
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Shakesbear that is a good estimate.

I guess we will need to see if the Social Distancing effort will payoff and reduce the overall total.

I also wonder whether there will be a second wave of the pandemic. I expect a second wave would have a reduced rate because the population of people who already had the disease would. hopefully be immune. There would also be improvements in treatment as learned from the first wave.

I have wondered how similar this current outbreak is to the first time measles hit the world population. In my lifetime most of the population have been immune to measles due to already having the disease as a child, or having a vaccine.


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Shakesbear makes a case which seems logical, but which does not match known conditions.

China is the rub for me.

The virus first appeared November 2019, to the best knowledge we have, beginning in Wuhan, no matter how we want to describe its creation. By March 2020 the disease had reached its maximum extent, with around 81 thousand official cases and under 3300 deaths, in a nation of over a billion people.

Why? There's no evidence that China engaged in the social distancing being used in the US, and while some Chinese cities were quarantined, cities like Beijing and Shanghai were not quarantined. Yet they did not experience the outbreak to any great degree. And now the virus appears to be producing fewer and fewer new cases in China.

Why?

Some nations are experiencing terrible expansion of the virus, but others are showing almost none, notably Russia.

Why?

I agree with social distancing, with all the precautions in place to prevent the spread, yet the evidence shows there is more going on than we understand. Especially the question of why the virus hits some countries harder per-capita than others. Part of the vaccine research that matters, is that the same research which produces a vaccine will also be able to tell us why the growth is so variable, in order to help us know where to target efforts to wipe out the spread of C-19.

My gut tells me the US death total this year will stay below 2,500. My gut also tells me we will be unhappy with that total because we will discover that many of those deaths could have been prevented, but we made mistakes at the time which were obvious only after the fact.

One problem that is still ignored, is that we do not know about all of the people who contract C-19, much less who was exposed to it. Some people will not be exposed to the virus at all this year, and of course those people will not contract it. Others will have immune systems which prevent infection. Still others will have symptoms mild enough that they do not go a doctor and so we never know they had it. We only know about people who had the virus to a degree that they experienced symptoms, and were tested positive for the virus. The true mortality rate for C-19 won't be known this year, just as we did not have that number the first year MERS came out, or during the first year of SARS, or so on.

My worry is that at some point, when case counts and fatalities don't skyrocket to the numbers promised by the media, people will start ignoring quarantine and antiseptic rules and the virus will be able to spread into the wider population. If that happens, the virus will seem overblown in 2020 but could be worse in succeeding years, while if we can identify the primary risk conditions now, we can take targeted actions the public will accept in a longer time frame, and so improve the future condition.
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jupiter
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2 thousand to 4 million.... a HUGE variance in potential outcomes.....it ALL depends on HOW we respond
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Kyle
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Oldbear83 said:

Some nations are experiencing terrible expansion of the virus, but others are showing almost none, notably Russia.
$100 says Rachel Maddow has a story written about how Kung Flu was a Putin-driven event run by Trump to instill marital law, suspend the election, and declare himself dictator for life. Jinque probably already believes it.
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Shakesbear said:

The typical flu affects 5-20% of the US population on average every year.

Let's say 5% of the US population get the novel coronavirus this year;

The typical flu kills roughly .01% of people who contract it, and in the worst case scenario, the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, killed about 2% of those who contracted it;

There are roughly 350 million people in the US now, so let's use the lowest end of the spectrum on how many people typically get the flue, 5%;

That would give us 17.5 million cases of coronavirus;

The lowest end statistic on the number of deaths would be .01% X 17.5 million = 17,500 deaths;

The highest end statistic on the number of deaths would be 2% X 17.5 million = 350,000 deaths;

As of today, worldwide, there have been 286,955 cases of coronavirus reported, and 11,980 deaths = 4.2% death rate;

There in lies the rub.


Excellent post ......thank you .

Unfortunately I believe the mortality rate will be higher than 2% in Central and South America.



PartyBear
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What percentage of the infected require hospitalization? Plug that into Shakesbear's numbers. I believe there are about 925K hospital beds in the US as I understand it.
jupiter
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We're going to have to get creative about what constitutes a "hospital bed". Cruise ships, field hospitals, convention centers,basketball arenas, hotels, home care etc may need to be used to increase capacity rapidly

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488804-cuomo-javits-center-on-list-to-become-coronavirus-field-hospital

Cuomo: Javits Center on list to become coronavirus field hospital


Quote:

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said Saturday that Manhattan's giant Javits Center is at the top of his list of locations that can be used as a field hospital as the city scrambles to contain the coronavirus outbreak.
"This virus spreads in density and that's what we're seeing in New York City," Cuomo said at a press conference, noting that he is trying to get the Army Corps of Engineers to install a total of four field hospitals.
The Javits Center is known for hosting auto shows, trade conventions and more, and boasts 1.8 million square feet of space. Cuomo said he hopes four units of 250 beds each can be installed in the center.
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PartyBear said:

What percentage of the infected require hospitalization? Plug that into Shakesbear's numbers. I believe there are about 925K hospital beds in the US as I understand it.
Great question, and as mentioned, "therein lies the rub". Our healthcare system is not designed nor prepared for even a mid-level infection rate per se when past infection rates are modeled. There just aren't enough hospital beds to handle it. How we respond to this pandemic may very well define the next "greatest generation". The objective here is to try and save our healthcare delivery system so it can do its job: save lives!

Semper Fi!!!

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GoneGirl
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Shakesbear said:

PartyBear said:

What percentage of the infected require hospitalization? Plug that into Shakesbear's numbers. I believe there are about 925K hospital beds in the US as I understand it.
Great question, and as mentioned, "therein lies the rub". Our healthcare system is not designed nor prepared for even a mid-level infection rate per se when past infection rates are modeled. There just aren't enough hospital beds to handle it. How we respond to this pandemic may very well define the next "greatest generation". The objective here is to try and save our healthcare delivery system so it can do its job: save lives!

Semper Fi!!!


People aren't voluntarily doing what they need to do to save lives: self-isolating for a long enough period to flatten the curve. In most areas of the country, unless local authorities require bars and restaurants to close and prohibit other public gatherings, people are continuing with business as usual, inasmuch as that's possible with employers either shutting down or requiring their employees to work remotely (as my employer has done, now through mid-April).

My idiot governor has urged churches to open daycares so adults can continue to work to save the economy. The whole point of closing schools down was to reduce the infection rate. That's defeated if kids congregate in hastily-launched day cares run by churches, which also tend to have lots of older members who are among those most vulnerable to the virus. The whole point of limiting contact with other people is to reduce opportunities for the virus to spread.

Too many people seem to think a high infection rate and death toll are inevitable, and that doing nothing is the best course of action for the economy. I don't think they get the fact that overwhelming hospitals, as has happened in Italy and as happened in China even with drastic measures to try to control the spread, and not trying to flatten the curve has a worse economic impact.

A man I know in his early 40s is on a ventilator and not doing well after contracting the coronavirus. A work associate's husband was just diagnosed after attending a conference. She has lupus and just underwent a round of chemotherapy to treat it. This is scary, and too many Americans are not only not taking it seriously, but are also denigrating those who are.
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quash said:

Florda_mike said:

Don't know where this Porteroso dude appeared from but he appears a Socialist pumper

They don't know how to think as hard as we try to help em

Sickening close minded losers is all I consider them
Great, another Iron-O-Meter bites the dust and no new ones available.
The factories have been repurposed to produce masks. Perhaps we can design a version that doubles as a gag.
Florda_mike
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Spread that fear democrats, spread it wide and far

TDS is all y'all will ever catch

I still know no one with it
LTbear
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Florda_mike said:

I still know no one with it
Top-notch measure of the situation.
LTbear
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Florda_mike said:

Buddha Bear said:

Bump*

Just in case anyone wants to revise their predictions...


I'll stick w my 450 prediction with Chloroquine on the way now as we sit at 115 today I believe

Trump's fixing to be a hero in about 60 days max
450? I wish. We're already at 350 and rapidly climbing.

LTbear
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Canada2017 said:

Bearitto said:

Canada2017 said:

Bearitto said:

Canada2017 said:

Bearitto said:

LTbear said:

Bearitto said:

Oldbear83 said:

Just want to document now what you think will happen.

What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?


This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.

1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing

What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.

This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.


Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.


Bull****


No. But, when did you forget how to communicate without being vulgar?


When you forgot rational thought .

How many KIDS and 'worthy individuals' would needlessly die of OTHER health problems because our hospitals were over whelmed with c-18 cases if the country followed your advice ? And that is just one of the myriad of problems associated with it .

To willingly allow a novel virus with its high mutation potential to run rampant in the manner
you are advocating is literally the stupidest thing I have ever read on this form .

And that includes the bizarre ramblings of Waco47, cingue and Jinx .
I'm one of the few here engaging in rational thought. I'm weighing the damage done (to the vast majority of the population with no chance of long term problems) by shutting down entire nations to give vain hope to a subset of people who are in their final years regardless of the virus.

This is a global warming problem in a different mask. Rational people understand that even if the world was warming due to anthropomorphic actions, it is irrational to think we will shut down how our world operates to engage it. That would mean actively forcing people to stop feeding their families in hopes of stopping nature. It would send billions off the pavement and back into the mud. This is the same problem, but people are forgetting to think rationally because it's get shorter term implications.

Stop. Take a breath. Think about the real worst case scenarios and what those mean. Think about what the damage we are doing to our economy will mean for poor families living paycheck to paycheck. Think how many more of those there are than susceptible pensioners. Think rationally.



Dude ....best wishes to your family .

See ya .
Don't engage the burrito. He's some young troll who thinks he's edgy, and he desperately wants attention.
Canada2017
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LTbear said:

Canada2017 said:

Bearitto said:

Canada2017 said:

Bearitto said:

Canada2017 said:

Bearitto said:

LTbear said:

Bearitto said:

Oldbear83 said:

Just want to document now what you think will happen.

What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?


This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.

1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing

What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.

This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.


Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.


Bull****


No. But, when did you forget how to communicate without being vulgar?


When you forgot rational thought .

How many KIDS and 'worthy individuals' would needlessly die of OTHER health problems because our hospitals were over whelmed with c-18 cases if the country followed your advice ? And that is just one of the myriad of problems associated with it .

To willingly allow a novel virus with its high mutation potential to run rampant in the manner
you are advocating is literally the stupidest thing I have ever read on this form .

And that includes the bizarre ramblings of Waco47, cingue and Jinx .
I'm one of the few here engaging in rational thought. I'm weighing the damage done (to the vast majority of the population with no chance of long term problems) by shutting down entire nations to give vain hope to a subset of people who are in their final years regardless of the virus.

This is a global warming problem in a different mask. Rational people understand that even if the world was warming due to anthropomorphic actions, it is irrational to think we will shut down how our world operates to engage it. That would mean actively forcing people to stop feeding their families in hopes of stopping nature. It would send billions off the pavement and back into the mud. This is the same problem, but people are forgetting to think rationally because it's get shorter term implications.

Stop. Take a breath. Think about the real worst case scenarios and what those mean. Think about what the damage we are doing to our economy will mean for poor families living paycheck to paycheck. Think how many more of those there are than susceptible pensioners. Think rationally.



Dude ....best wishes to your family .

See ya .
Don't engage the burrito. He's some young troll who thinks he's edgy, and he desperately wants attention.
Put him on ignore days ago.
Canada2017
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Canada2017 said:

LTbear said:

Canada2017 said:

Bearitto said:

Canada2017 said:

Bearitto said:

Canada2017 said:

Bearitto said:

LTbear said:

Bearitto said:

Oldbear83 said:

Just want to document now what you think will happen.

What will be the total death count in the US for 2020 from COVID-19?


This type of estimate is referred to in medical circles as a "personal rectal extraction". In other words, you would have to pull it right out of your own ass. No one knows even what the denominator is yet. Not to mention there are so many "ifs" at this point.

1. If it gets into major elderly populations (the Villages in Florida, then maybe a lot)
2. If Gilead's remdesivir drug is as effective as it looks right now
3. If there is a successful vaccine
4. If the virus mutates
5. If the denominator is way off because of too many asymptomatic carriers and lack of testing

What we do know, however, is who is likely to die. The average age of people who have died from this virus is 81 years old. As of 2016, the number of people over 65 in the USA was approximately 50 million. If the mortality rate is 15% among that population (which it has been in China and in Italy and US so far), and if ALL of them get it, the maximum death toll in the US would be 7.5 million people, with virtually all of them elderly and/or infirm.

This tells me that the economy destroying measures we are taking in order to keep an already long lived population alive even longer at the detriment of families and children, is a bridge too far.
A bridge too far to try and not let a bunch of people die who otherwise wouldn't have. Not just senior citizens are compromised - every cancer patient, person living with immune disorders, asthmatics, etc., are at risk. I hope I'm misreading the intent of your last sentence, because if not, **** you.


Save your outrage. I'm a rationalist. This virus should be allowed to burn through rather than the world economy shutting down. The costs of shutting down the economy far outweigh the costs of the loss of the individuals with an average age of 81 who would potentially die from the Chinese created Wuhan flu.


Bull****


No. But, when did you forget how to communicate without being vulgar?


When you forgot rational thought .

How many KIDS and 'worthy individuals' would needlessly die of OTHER health problems because our hospitals were over whelmed with c-18 cases if the country followed your advice ? And that is just one of the myriad of problems associated with it .

To willingly allow a novel virus with its high mutation potential to run rampant in the manner
you are advocating is literally the stupidest thing I have ever read on this form .

And that includes the bizarre ramblings of Waco47, cingue and Jinx .
I'm one of the few here engaging in rational thought. I'm weighing the damage done (to the vast majority of the population with no chance of long term problems) by shutting down entire nations to give vain hope to a subset of people who are in their final years regardless of the virus.

This is a global warming problem in a different mask. Rational people understand that even if the world was warming due to anthropomorphic actions, it is irrational to think we will shut down how our world operates to engage it. That would mean actively forcing people to stop feeding their families in hopes of stopping nature. It would send billions off the pavement and back into the mud. This is the same problem, but people are forgetting to think rationally because it's get shorter term implications.

Stop. Take a breath. Think about the real worst case scenarios and what those mean. Think about what the damage we are doing to our economy will mean for poor families living paycheck to paycheck. Think how many more of those there are than susceptible pensioners. Think rationally.



Dude ....best wishes to your family .

See ya .
Don't engage the burrito. He's some young troll who thinks he's edgy, and he desperately wants attention.
Doubt he's young or a troll.......merely a sock for a longtime poster. Regardless he is on ignore.
blackie
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He also thinks if you are under 60, you sail right through this without any concern for becoming 61, or 40-41, or 30-31. He bet the farm on his **** that is only does in elderly. That has been totally exposed as false, yet he continues on with the same false story. Ignore is a good idea. I just did so.

I guess if he had been around in the 30's, the Great Depression and dust bowl just affected the dumb farmers and new immigrants that weren't going to make it anyway, and if alive in 1941, he probably would have been spouting that the Germans were only going to get rid of Jews that were causing all of society's problems, no need to upend people's lives here in the US and send many of our citizens under 30 to deaths in Europe and Japan.
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blackie said:

He also thinks if you are under 60, you sail right through this without any concern for becoming 61, or 40-41, or 30-31. He bet the farm on his **** that is only does in elderly. That has been totally exposed as false, yet he continues on with the same false story. Ignore is a good idea. I just did so.

I guess if he had been around in the 30's, the Great Depression and dust bowl just affected the dumb farmers and new immigrants that weren't going to make it anyway, and if alive in 1941, he probably would have been spouting that the Germans were only going to get rid of Jews that were causing all of society's problems, no need to upend people's lives here in the US and send many of our citizens under 30 to deaths in Europe and Japan.


Literally everything you posted there is wrong. You might consider quitting while you are behind.
Florda_mike
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LTbear said:

Florda_mike said:

Buddha Bear said:

Bump*

Just in case anyone wants to revise their predictions...


I'll stick w my 450 prediction with Chloroquine on the way now as we sit at 115 today I believe

Trump's fixing to be a hero in about 60 days max
450? I wish. We're already at 350 and rapidly climbing.




Yeah you're right and I was guessing who'd be the first democrat to bring it up

How many did you guess
LTbear
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Florda_mike said:

LTbear said:

Florda_mike said:

Buddha Bear said:

Bump*

Just in case anyone wants to revise their predictions...


I'll stick w my 450 prediction with Chloroquine on the way now as we sit at 115 today I believe

Trump's fixing to be a hero in about 60 days max
450? I wish. We're already at 350 and rapidly climbing.




Yeah you're right and I was guessing who'd be the first democrat to bring it up

How many did you guess
I haven't guessed, and I have no idea. If pressed I'd say 20,000 - 50,000. Most reliable models indicate between 200,000 to about 1.8 million based on going about life as normal. Hopefully I'm very, very wrong and there's a big turnaround soon.
Forest Bueller
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Since flu took out 80,000 a couple years back, my guess is north of 100,000 if we count next fall/winter.

Hopefully it mutates into a more harmless virus before then.
Florda_mike
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Hydroxychloroquine will cure too many cases that would've been fatal

But I was hearing wealthy have made availability scarce as they bought it up when they didn't even need it

This is exposing a really ugly side of human nature

LTbear
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Florda_mike said:

Hydroxychloroquine will cure too many cases that would've been fatal

But I was hearing wealthy have made availability scarce as they bought it up when they didn't even need it

This is exposing a really ugly side of human nature


Uh, we certainly hope the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin combo is effective, but so far that hope is based on a couple of insanely small studies (n of 20, I believe) and anecdote. It's certainly not a cure, nor is it 100% effective, nor do we understand why it may be more effective in some patients than others.
Forest Bueller
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May be unrelated but Harvey Weinstein tested positive.
Jack Bauer
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https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

33,276 cases in USA
417 deaths (117 NY, 95 Washington)
178 recovered

I saw the Surgeon General said 90% of CV tests have come back negative.
57Bear
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These reports vary depending on the source that you are using. They vary depending on when the states provide their statistics.

It is concerning that the states are reporting 32,783 cases with 416 deaths, but only 178 recoveries.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

There is no way that this will cap out at 450 deaths.

Florida: Hydroxychloroquine will cure too many cases that would've been fatal
Hydroxychloroquine won't be used until the FDA says go.
Jack Bauer
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57Bear said:

These reports vary depending on the source that you are using. They vary depending on when the states provide their statistics.

It is concerning that the states are reporting 32,783 cases with 416 deaths, but only 178 recoveries.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

There is no way that this will cap out at 450 deaths.

Florida: Hydroxychloroquine will cure too many cases that would've been fatal
Hydroxychloroquine won't be used until the FDA says go.


Actor Daniel Dae Kim posted a video to Instagram today to update his fans on his health regarding the COVID-19 coronavirus and credited a "drug cocktail" which included hydroxychloroquine and Z-Pak with his recovery.
Florda_mike
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Seems some want Hydroxychloroquine to not work?

Plenty of evidence out there it is, when taken properly under doctors orders
 
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