Porteroso said:
Oldbear83 said:
Porteroso said:
Oldbear83 said:
Porteroso said:
Oldbear83 said:
"This is a particularly ignorant viewpoint... There are entire neighborhoods, zip codes, where most people can trace the root of their generational poverty straight back to slavery."
Fascinating. The first sentence of that post succinctly describes the second sentence.
I must be lost, or is the repub talking point these days that poverty = ignorance?
You're very lost if you believe 'not accepting a false narrative' means 'ignorant'.
This was a lot for you to follow, but read first sentence you said describes the second sentence. The first is about ignorance, the second is about generational poverty. What is your alternative narrative you'd like to push? I bet you don't even have one, you just don't want to admit the fallout from slavery still affects our country. Ignorance is bliss for old bears like you.
Your arrogance does not help your argument, Porteroso. Instead of talking down to someone with a different opinion, you might try doing more to explain your position.
You threw out a broad and IMO largely false contention. Then you took offense when it was not accepted as Gospel. That's not my problem, it's yours.
You are the one offended by my arrogance. I asked you to clarify your statement, and you didn't or more likely couldn't, instead tried to skirt the issue. You can have a discussion like an adult, or be treated as not worth the time, if you're just here to troll.
You are so damn lazy Porteroso, you won't even read what I posted just in this thread.
So for your convenience, a recap of my prior posts here:
June 2, 123 PM:
"There are some very good minds on each side, who go to trouble to present their arguments rationally. There are also others who do nothing but troll or attack. You may notice I have take Florda to task from time to time for such comments, but literally none of you on the left ever challenge someone on your own side to raise their game.
As long as you continue such hypocrisy, it's impossible to consider you interested in a real discussion." That hypocrisy is your behavior right now, Porteroso. But moving on:
June 2, 255 PM
"Some of the best advice I received as a young man, even though I sometimes found it hard to apply to internet discussions, is that while you may ask for many things, demanding them generally is a poor course of action, and this is especially true in divisive matters.
Like you, I have been around for a long time and have seen this nation face many crises related to race. There has been some good progress and a great many concessions made in the name of fairness. But I observe that the groups which make demands are never satisfied with whatever is decided - they always come back with more and more demands, including many which are nothing but greed and malice.
Literally trillions of tax dollars spent in programs to help one specific race, academic and social pandering to a single race to make the most extreme of that group feel important, special advantages in college admissions and employment in the name of that same sense of fairness, and yet the groups which have received the most are unwilling to address their own internal issues. Black on black crime remains the greatest criminal threat in the country, the lack of nuclear families keeps generations of Americans in poverty and lacing a vital stability in their hopes and dreams. And this week we see that the people most outraged (rightly) by an injustice, do great damage to their own credibility by destroying buildings in their own communities owned by innocent individuals and businesses, and looting as if that was more important than respecting the memory of Mr. Floyd.
My family fought in the Civil War to end Slavery, and has never engaged in any behavior which a reasonable person would call racist. I married someone outside my own race and have worked under and with countless people of all races, promoting many people of color over the years purely on the basis of their excellent work and skills. Yet I am judged on the basis of my own color, and told I am evil just for my own rational opinions based on experience and specific behavior of individuals." I guess that was too much for you to bother reading, much less consider.
But moving on, my next post on June 3, 716 PM:
" Look at the fact that the officer most responsible was immediately denounced by police around the nation, and was indicted within four days. All the officers involved were immediately fired and are now facing criminal charges. Any or all of them could see 40 years in prison. That is certainly very different from the past.
I do not deny that police as a rule had issues with racism in the past, and that some departments are still not addressing the problem of abuse by officers. But a lot of these incidents
involve black officers, and are in departments with
black police chiefs. It's absurd to pretend black officers and chiefs would take part in a system meant to oppress blacks, Other factors and forces are involved, and false claims of systemic racism only get in the way of addressing the real causes.
" I would like to say that I do not mind anyone's opinion, especially when someone writes it to explain their own life choices. I think those statements can expand our comprehension of broader and diverse perspectives. But too often, people try to use their opinion to judge and insult others, and that shuts down any real discussion.
Also, I despise the phrase '
white privilege', because it smears millions of poor white Americans, and blames countless innocents with false claims. I do agree that in certain places, black Americans suffer persecution because of their race, but that is
'black persecution' not '
white privilege'.
"Privilege" is a reward or benefit. It is not a word properly used to describe not being harmed or attacked. And the phrase '
white privilege' implies that being white, in general, provides specific and tangible advantage and opportunity on the basis of race. Such claims do not help the oppressed or lead to effective advances in protecting the rights of all Americans."
Now with all that available for your consideration, can you offer a defense of your own opinion and
experience that advances the discussion, or do you want to continue being an ass?
Your choice.