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What is the economy in Haiti? Do they have tourism? Everyone seems to want out and the powers that be don't want the ones that get out to return.

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Much of Haiti's economy is based on foreign aid ( believe it or not ).

No tourism to speak of....unless you count all the various organizations that arrive to do charity work.

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And the other 28,600? Where did they go? (Edited for accuracy)

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Del Rio Walmart?

Last weekend, approximately 13,000 would-be migrants gathered under a bridge connecting Del Rio in Texas with Ciudad Acuña in Mexico. BBC

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-del-rio-migrants-camp-cleared-30000

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/24/1040446618/biden-border-agents-horses-haiti-migrants-dangerous-wrong

WATCH: CNN's Jake Tapper calls out the Biden administration for "patently false" descriptions of mounted Border Patrol agents in Texas.

"The nice words you said about [Border Patrol], you should probably share with President Biden—not just with me today." pic.twitter.com/yUI3c0irJ9

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) September 26, 2021

Life along the border collapses as Biden fiddles

Take all of the imagery you have seen of the over 14,000 Haitian migrants camped under an international bridge in the small Texas border town of Del Rio and add the complications of disease, public excrement, unbearable heat, and heightened frustrations. It has led to violence that has injured Border Patrol officers .

Now close your eyes and imagine it is 100 times worse.

Because that's what it is, said Texas Rep. Tony Gonzales, the freshman Republican who represents 42% of the border. The overwhelmed city of Del Rio had been in a rapidly deteriorating crisis situation when illegal immigrants first began surging into the community in January, but Gonzales now says the situation here is a "Category 5" and that the environment is unlike anything he has ever seen before.

"I arrived here today to pure chaos," he said. "I've never seen it in this environment. There literally is no border left."

Gonzales said Del Rio is in dire straits. "There's no doubt there's COVID here, there's measles, tuberculosis, all kinds of diseases," he said. "You've got kids running around in nothing but diapers. A handful of port-a-potties my God, the stench is terrible. This is not good for the migrants. It is not good for the residents. It's not good for wherever our government is sending them in the interior of the country."

Despite the Department of Homeland Security insisting repeatedly the Haitians would be deported, as of Tuesday, it had only removed 1,000 of the estimated 15,000 under the bridge. Multiple news organizations including CNN reported that buses have been escorting them to a nonprofit organization in town where they purchase bus or plane tickets. They are then moved to a gas station where buses pick them up and take them to other parts of the country.

The Washington Post reported that the number is in the thousands of those released to parts unknown in the interior of the country.

Del Rio residents have seen their lives turned upside down. The international bridge has been closed a lifeline bringing tens of millions of dollars to the local economy. If you're a small-business owner and your business has somehow survived COVID-19, something like this could easily wipe you out.

Gonzales said he asked the chief of Border Patrol, Raul Ortiz, at a Homeland Security Committee hearing about its surge of agents to Del Rio. "Those agents are coming from somewhere," he said. "And my worry is other sectors are going to be weakened, thus creating a national security crisis, putting us at risk in other sectors, because everyone is focusing on Del Rio."

The USA is a terrific country. We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, able to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
People are not attracted to Syria or Somalia. How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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The USA is a terrific country. We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
People are attracted to Syria or Somalia. How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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Yes, America is a terrific country. So terrific in fact, that today is the best day to black and in the USA than any other time history. Glad America made slavery illegal.

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The USA is a terrific country. We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
People are attracted to Syria or Somalia. How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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You remain totally clueless on the ramifications involved.

If the United States doesn't protect the integrity of its borders and existing immigration laws.........TENS OF MILLIONS of illegal immigrants will continue to flood into our country .

The vast majority of whom are under educated, lack even basic employable skills, and do not speak English .

The vast majority of these people are simply not employable . So who is going to pay for medical care, shelter, and food for these millions for the next few years ? You ?

It is physically IMPOSSIBLE.....it is financially IMPOSSIBLE ....to absorb the tens of millions of central and south Americans who would enter the United States if allowed to do so.

How can you consistently fail to grasp such an obvious reality ?

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Your straw man is wrong. I understand reality. I raised a question if the reality "Here they come" then my question is how do we manage it?

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The USA is a terrific country. We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
People are attracted to Syria or Somalia. How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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Yes, America is a terrific country. So terrific in fact, that today is the best day to black and in the USA than any other time history. Glad America made slavery illegal.

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Misdirection. Not anywhere close to my point. Try again please I'm anxious to hear your cogent arguments

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The USA is a terrific country. We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
People are attracted to Syria or Somalia. How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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It's the fault of the jackass promising them free services and free access that caused the surge. The world is not entitled to live in America.

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You have no evidence for your claim they are excluded from Federal help.

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The USA is a terrific country. We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
People are attracted to Syria or Somalia. How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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It's the fault of the jackass promising them free services and free access that caused the surge. The world is not entitled to live in America.

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You have no evidence for your claim they are excluded from Federal help.

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You have no evidence for your claim that the world is entitled to live in America.

How many terrorists have we let in since January. Biden my be the single biggest disaster of an administration since ... heck, maybe all time.

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What is the economy in Haiti? Do they have tourism? Everyone seems to want out and the powers that be don't want the ones that get out to return.

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Haiti was stillborn thanks to the deal they made with France for their freedom. The border between Haiti and DR is one of the few that you can see from a satellite.

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What is the economy in Haiti? Do they have tourism? Everyone seems to want out and the powers that be don't want the ones that get out to return.

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Haiti was stillborn thanks to the deal they made with France for their freedom. The border between Haiti and DR is one of the few that you can see from a satellite.

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Haiti was still born when they massacred between 4000-5000 whites after their war of independence was won.

Europeans were shocked and outraged .

The atrocities ( generally ignored by historians today ) also had a profound impact on whites throughout the South . Southerners became determined not to allow the idealism of northern abolitionists to get them killed as well.

By the way practically all the whites on the island were slaughtered ....men women and children .

Only a relatively few were spared......some white doctors, Polish deserters who fought with the Haitians.... and those white woman who agreed to 'marry' a Haitian after her husband was murdered.

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The USA is a terrific country. We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
People are attracted to Syria or Somalia. How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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It's the fault of the jackass promising them free services and free access that caused the surge. The world is not entitled to live in America.

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You have no evidence for your claim they are excluded from Federal help.

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You have no evidence for your claim that the world is entitled to live in America.

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I did not say anyone was "entitled."

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The USA is a terrific country. We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
People are attracted to Syria or Somalia. How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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You remain totally clueless on the ramifications involved.

If the United States doesn't protect the integrity of its borders and existing immigration laws.........TENS OF MILLIONS of illegal immigrants will continue to flood into our country .

The vast majority of whom are under educated, lack even basic employable skills, and do not speak English .

The vast majority of these people are simply not employable . So who is going to pay for medical care, shelter, and food for these millions for the next few years ? You ?

It is physically IMPOSSIBLE.....it is financially IMPOSSIBLE ....to absorb the tens of millions of central and south Americans who would enter the United States if allowed to do so.

How can you consistently fail to grasp such an obvious reality ?

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Your straw man is wrong. I understand reality. I raised a question if the reality "Here they come" then my question is how do we manage it?

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No strawman....reality just bounces off of your forehead.

Here is the list still again ......

We manage it by enforcing EXISTING immigration laws.
We manage it by ending all FREE social services for illegals .Wrong
We manage it by finishing the wall. Have you been to the border from New Mexico to the Rio Grande?
We manage it by FINING employers who hire illegals....such laws already exist .
We manage it by expanding the Border Patrol

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Which federal public benefits are available to undocumented immigrants?
In general, undocumented immigrants, meaning people from other countries who do not have a legal right to be in the United States, are not eligible for any federal public benefits.
However, there are instances where undocumented immigrants, including those under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, may be eligible for some benefits that are considered necessary to protect life or guarantee safety in extreme circumstances.
Those include:

• Emergency medical treatment under Medicaid if the individual meets the other eligibility requirements and the medical condition is not related to an organ transplant procedure.
• Immunizations for immunizable diseases and testing for and treatment of symptoms of communicable diseases.
• Free public education for grades K-12.
• Federally subsidized school lunch and school breakfast programs for those eligible for free public education under state or local law.

Undocumented immigrants in some cases may also be allowed services or assistance that were laid out in a 2001 U.S. Attorney General order.
That order included child and adult protective services; programs addressing weather emergencies and homelessness; shelters, soup kitchens and meals delivered to individuals; medical, public health and mental health services; disability or substance abuse services necessary to protect life or safety; and programs to protect workers and other community members.
Which state benefits are available to undocumented immigrants?
As with the federal government, state and local governments ban unauthorized immigrants from many assistance programs as well as the ability to get government contracts, licenses, grants and loans.
However, they are eligible for other state benefits such as:

• Treatment for emergency conditions (other than those related to an organ transplant)
• Short-term, in-kind emergency disaster relief
• Immunization against immunizable diseases and testing for and treatment of symptoms of communicable diseases.

Pregnant women and nursing mothers are generally eligible for benefits under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women-Infants-Children (WIC).
WIC provides federal grants to states for supplemental food, health care referrals and nutrition education for low-income pregnant, breastfeeding and non-breastfeeding postpartum women, and to infants and children up to age five who are found to be at nutritional risk.
If an undocumented immigrant gives birth to a child in the United States, that child could be enrolled in Medicaid to get health care, but the undocumented parents could not. Medicaid is funded by the federal government and administered by the state. The child would be allowed in the program because children born in the U.S. to undocumented parents become U.S. citizens at birth.
Twenty-five states have programs that provide health care for low-income immigrant children lawfully living in the United States. Six states California, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, New York and Massachusetts, along with the District of Columbia provide Medicaid to children regardless of immigration status.
Those states do not get federal Medicaid matching funds to help pay for that cost. The states that provide Medicaid to immigrant children with legal residency do get federal funds to help pay for the cost of the care.

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The USA is a terrific country. We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
People are attracted to Syria or Somalia. How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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You remain totally clueless on the ramifications involved.

If the United States doesn't protect the integrity of its borders and existing immigration laws.........TENS OF MILLIONS of illegal immigrants will continue to flood into our country .

The vast majority of whom are under educated, lack even basic employable skills, and do not speak English .

The vast majority of these people are simply not employable . So who is going to pay for medical care, shelter, and food for these millions for the next few years ? You ?

It is physically IMPOSSIBLE.....it is financially IMPOSSIBLE ....to absorb the tens of millions of central and south Americans who would enter the United States if allowed to do so.

How can you consistently fail to grasp such an obvious reality ?

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I said none of the above. Those are the stories you made up in your mind about me.
Look at what at I wrote.
I said:
1. The USA is a terrific country.
2 We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country.
3 People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
4 People are not 4 attracted to Syria or Somalia.
How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Conclusion Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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Waco1947 said:

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The USA is a terrific country. We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
People are attracted to Syria or Somalia. How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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You remain totally clueless on the ramifications involved.

If the United States doesn't protect the integrity of its borders and existing immigration laws.........TENS OF MILLIONS of illegal immigrants will continue to flood into our country .

The vast majority of whom are under educated, lack even basic employable skills, and do not speak English .People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.

The vast majority of these people are simply not employable . So who is going to pay for medical care, shelter, and food for these millions for the next few years ? You ?

It is physically IMPOSSIBLE.....it is financially IMPOSSIBLE ....to absorb the tens of millions of central and south Americans who would enter the United States if allowed to do so.

How can you consistently fail to grasp such an obvious reality ?

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Canada2017, you said:
You remain totally clueless on the ramifications involved. You have no idea about my knowledge. I have been to the border crossed at Matamoros. It is terrible. I built 15 beds for the 50 who were there waiting to cross and seek asylum. In addition I volunteered on the border in Big Bend. A wall is impossible and an environmental disaster. I am aware of the ramifications. But your solutions are not working.

If the United States doesn't protect the integrity of its borders and existing immigration laws.........TENS OF MILLIONS of illegal immigrants will continue to flood into our country .True,

The vast majority of whom are under educated, lack even basic employable skills, and do not speak English .
You draw a limited picture.. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.

The vast majority of these people are simply not employable . So who is going to pay for medical care, shelter, and food for these millions for the next few years ? The Federal gov pays not benefits except emergency medical care.

It is physically IMPOSSIBLE.....it is financially IMPOSSIBLE ....to absorb the tens of millions of central and south Americans who would enter the United States if allowed to do so. No one is "allowing them to enter." You no facts to back your claim.

How can you consistently fail to grasp such an obvious reality ? I see reality. Our current laws are not working. What will work?

I already told you what would work …repeatedly.

You are either over medicated or suffering from dementia.

Possibly both .

So just take the cookies the nice nurse is offering you and go to sleep.

Try not to soil the bed this time .

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I already told you what would work …repeatedly.

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And your way has not worked. People still flood across.
Read my response please.
Canada2017, you said:
You remain totally clueless on the ramifications involved. You have no idea about my knowledge. I have been to the border crossed at Matamoros. It is terrible. I built 15 beds for the 50 who were there waiting to cross and seek asylum. In addition I volunteered on the border in Big Bend. A wall is impossible and an environmental disaster. I am aware of the ramifications. But your solutions are not working.

If the United States doesn't protect the integrity of its borders and existing immigration laws.........TENS OF MILLIONS of illegal immigrants will continue to flood into our country .True,

The vast majority of whom are under educated, lack even basic employable skills, and do not speak English .
You draw a limited picture.. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.

The vast majority of these people are simply not employable . So who is going to pay for medical care, shelter, and food for these millions for the next few years ? The Federal gov pays not benefits except emergency medical care.

It is physically IMPOSSIBLE.....it is financially IMPOSSIBLE ....to absorb the tens of millions of central and south Americans who would enter the United States if allowed to do so. No one is "allowing them to enter." You no facts to back your claim.

How can you consistently fail to grasp such an obvious reality ? I see reality. Our current laws are not working. What will work?

Waco1947 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Waco1947 said:

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The USA is a terrific country. We have opportunities galore and we are an attractive country. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.
People are attracted to Syria or Somalia. How does a nation control its attractiveness. Make ourselves less attractive? Hardly.
Yet here they come who fault is that surge?

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It's the fault of the jackass promising them free services and free access that caused the surge. The world is not entitled to live in America.

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You have no evidence for your claim they are excluded from Federal help.

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You have no evidence for your claim that the world is entitled
to live in America.

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I did not say anyone was "entitled."

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Its just the theme behind your every comment on illegals and the idea behind your alleged charity at the border.

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Canada2017 said:

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I already told you what would work …repeatedly.

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And your way has not worked. People still flood across.
Read my response please.
Canada2017, you said:
You remain totally clueless on the ramifications involved. You have no idea about my knowledge. I have been to the border crossed at Matamoros. It is terrible. I built 15 beds for the 50 who were there waiting to cross and seek asylum. In addition I volunteered on the border in Big Bend. A wall is impossible and an environmental disaster. I am aware of the ramifications. But your solutions are not working.

If the United States doesn't protect the integrity of its borders and existing immigration laws.........TENS OF MILLIONS of illegal immigrants will continue to flood into our country .True,

The vast majority of whom are under educated, lack even basic employable skills, and do not speak English .
You draw a limited picture.. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.

The vast majority of these people are simply not employable . So who is going to pay for medical care, shelter, and food for these millions for the next few years ? The Federal gov pays not benefits except emergency medical care.

It is physically IMPOSSIBLE.....it is financially IMPOSSIBLE ....to absorb the tens of millions of central and south Americans who would enter the United States if allowed to do so. No one is "allowing them to enter." You no facts to back your claim.

How can you consistently fail to grasp such an obvious reality ? I see reality. Our current laws are not working. What will work?

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No matter what you claim the proof is obvious between what Trump did and was doing and it's effectiveness versus what Biden did and is doing that has created an UNPRECEDENTED problem at our border.

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Canada2017 said:

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I already told you what would work …repeatedly.

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And your way has not worked. People still flood across.
Read my response please.
Canada2017, you said:
You remain totally clueless on the ramifications involved. You have no idea about my knowledge. I have been to the border crossed at Matamoros. It is terrible. I built 15 beds for the 50 who were there waiting to cross and seek asylum. In addition I volunteered on the border in Big Bend. A wall is impossible and an environmental disaster. I am aware of the ramifications. But your solutions are not working.

If the United States doesn't protect the integrity of its borders and existing immigration laws.........TENS OF MILLIONS of illegal immigrants will continue to flood into our country .True,

The vast majority of whom are under educated, lack even basic employable skills, and do not speak English .
You draw a limited picture.. People beyond our borders are young, healthy, hard workers, anle to endure really tough times, and eager to learn and be educated. Any employer would want this worker.

The vast majority of these people are simply not employable . So who is going to pay for medical care, shelter, and food for these millions for the next few years ? The Federal gov pays not benefits except emergency medical care.

It is physically IMPOSSIBLE.....it is financially IMPOSSIBLE ....to absorb the tens of millions of central and south Americans who would enter the United States if allowed to do so. No one is "allowing them to enter." You no facts to back your claim.

How can you consistently fail to grasp such an obvious reality ? I see reality. Our current laws are not working. What will work?

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Chocolate chip cookies…..eat three .

Go to bed .

#FJB

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"I don't think anyone could look at those photos and think that was appropriate action or behavior or something that should be accepted within our administration. There's an investigation. That's ongoing. We'll let that play out. But our reaction to the photos has not changed."

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.@PressSec says that the distinction between whipping immigrants and using horse reins does not change the circumstances regarding the investigation and disciplining of border patrol agents.

"Our reaction to the photos has not changed." pic.twitter.com/a6eAHF7N24

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) September 27, 2021