Assimilation is not solely generational, that is a ridiculous claim. Maybe that's what is tripping you up in this conversation, that you think assimilation can only happen through children and grandchildren. Learning the language is one metric of assimilation. Being a LEGAL citizen is a major metric, so no, illegal aliens are not assimilating if they are not following our laws. You've shown zero evidence that illegals assimilate faster than any other group. None. Zip. Nada.quash said:Wangchung said:The topic isn't legal immigrants. I get it, you can't get the results you want when only illegal alien's assimilation metric are measured, so you HAVE to include legal. You also have to change the definition of illegal alien to mean "Hispanics" in order to push your opinion that illegals assimilate faster than older groups of legal immigrants. Your theory is garbage.quash said:Wangchung said:
You have no data that proves otherwise. Remaining illegal is the definition of non-assimilation.
Again you ate defining your way out of the problem. Mexican immigrants, legal or not, assimilate more quickly than previous national cohorts using intermarriage as a barometer.
I asked you for a different metric of assimilation and the best you can offer is "illegal is unassimilated."
Assimilation takes place over generations. That's why many of us had great grandparents who didn't speak English, and parents who can't speak their great grandparents's language.
I can't believe I have to say this out loud. Again.
Assimilation is generational. Most of the second generation and all of third are citizens. By that generation Hispanic migrants, even those descended from illegal migrants, are more assimilated than were cohorts from Ireland, Eastern Europe, Asia, etc.
You want to judge levels of cultural assimilation in the first generation? Fine. I ask, again, what metric would you use? And try something non-circular.
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Wangchung said:Assimilation is not solely generational, that is a ridiculous claim. Maybe that's what is tripping you up in this conversation, that you think assimilation can only happen through children and grandchildren. Learning the language is one metric of assimilation. Being a LEGAL citizen is a major metric, so no, illegal aliens are not assimilating if they are not following our laws. You've shown zero evidence that illegals assimilate faster than any other group. None. Zip. Nada.quash said:Wangchung said:The topic isn't legal immigrants. I get it, you can't get the results you want when only illegal alien's assimilation metric are measured, so you HAVE to include legal. You also have to change the definition of illegal alien to mean "Hispanics" in order to push your opinion that illegals assimilate faster than older groups of legal immigrants. Your theory is garbage.quash said:Wangchung said:
You have no data that proves otherwise. Remaining illegal is the definition of non-assimilation.
Again you ate defining your way out of the problem. Mexican immigrants, legal or not, assimilate more quickly than previous national cohorts using intermarriage as a barometer.
I asked you for a different metric of assimilation and the best you can offer is "illegal is unassimilated."
Assimilation takes place over generations. That's why many of us had great grandparents who didn't speak English, and parents who can't speak their great grandparents's language.
I can't believe I have to say this out loud. Again.
Assimilation is generational. Most of the second generation and all of third are citizens. By that generation Hispanic migrants, even those descended from illegal migrants, are more assimilated than were cohorts from Ireland, Eastern Europe, Asia, etc.
You want to judge levels of cultural assimilation in the first generation? Fine. I ask, again, what metric would you use? And try something non-circular.
Sigh. I have given you the evidence. You reject it because the cohort consists of citizens by the third generation. Actually, it is your definition, legality, that underpins the very point I'm making: the descendants of illegal migrants become citizens.
But the larger and more salient point is not about legality, but about cultural assimilation, which is where this started. And I gave you the data on that.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
No, you gave data on Hispanics who marry citizens. Neat. That's legal immigration. That does not prove anything about illegals and their assimilation rates. It's silly to even try to make such a claim. You don't have any data on illegal aliens so you've decided legal Hispanic immigrants will fill in nicely, but that's not how reality works, my friend.
Wangchung said:
No, you gave data on Hispanics who marry citizens. Neat. That's legal immigration. That does not prove anything about illegals and their assimilation rates. It's silly to even try to make such a claim. You don't have any data on illegal aliens so you've decided legal Hispanic immigrants will fill in nicely, but that's not how reality works, my friend.
Again, you overlook the key point: the rate of intermarriage. And by the third generation it is a marriage of two citizens. So the Hispanic woman marries a non-Hispanic man, but they are both citizens. The RATE of such intermarriage is what distinguishes this cohort.
The study I posted had nothing, at all, to do with gaining citizenship through marriage.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
It was solely about Hispanics marrying citizens. That is legal immigration. Period. Not sure why you're having such a hard time understanding the topic.quash said:Wangchung said:
No, you gave data on Hispanics who marry citizens. Neat. That's legal immigration. That does not prove anything about illegals and their assimilation rates. It's silly to even try to make such a claim. You don't have any data on illegal aliens so you've decided legal Hispanic immigrants will fill in nicely, but that's not how reality works, my friend.
Again, you overlook the key point: the rate of intermarriage. And by the third generation it is a marriage of two citizens. So the Hispanic woman marries a non-Hispanic man, but they are both citizens. The RATE of such intermarriage is what distinguishes this cohort.
The study I posted had nothing, at all, to do with gaining citizenship through marriage.
Okay, after going back and reading your conversation with TheOriginalUniversityofTexas I understand how we got off track. I was just responding to you and didn't see that y'all were speaking on the topic of generational assimilation. I kinda of derailed the topic, not you. I'm discussing illegal immigration assimilation rates of the illegals themselves and you two were not. This one is on me.
Wangchung said:
Okay, after going back and reading your conversation with TheOriginalUniversityofTexas I understand how we got off track. I was just responding to you and didn't see that y'all were speaking on the topic of generational assimilation. I kinda of derailed the topic, not you. I'm discussing illegal immigration assimilation rates of the illegals themselves and you two were not. This one is on me.
Thank you. You were wearing me out.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
My apologies.
Good news!
TSA Says It Will Accept Arrest Warrants as ID for Illegal Aliens at Airports
What sort of identification do you need to fly from a U.S. airport? According to the Transporation Security Agency (TSA), there are 16 forms of ID you can use to board an airplane. Generally, they include any government-issued ID like a driver's license or a passport as well as military IDs, transportation worker cards, and a border crossing card.
And, if you're an illegal alien and can't manufacture your own ID or buy it, you can use your government-issued arrest warrant.
Responding to Republican Texas Rep. Lance Gooden's Dec. 15 inquiry about illegal migrants flying across the country, TSA Administrator David Pekoske explained that certain Department of Homeland Security (DHS) documents may be considered acceptable forms of alternate identification for non-citizens, including a "Warrant for Arrest of Alien" and a "Warrant of Removal/Deportation."
TSA Says It Will Accept Arrest Warrants as ID for Illegal Aliens at Airports
What sort of identification do you need to fly from a U.S. airport? According to the Transporation Security Agency (TSA), there are 16 forms of ID you can use to board an airplane. Generally, they include any government-issued ID like a driver's license or a passport as well as military IDs, transportation worker cards, and a border crossing card.
And, if you're an illegal alien and can't manufacture your own ID or buy it, you can use your government-issued arrest warrant.
Responding to Republican Texas Rep. Lance Gooden's Dec. 15 inquiry about illegal migrants flying across the country, TSA Administrator David Pekoske explained that certain Department of Homeland Security (DHS) documents may be considered acceptable forms of alternate identification for non-citizens, including a "Warrant for Arrest of Alien" and a "Warrant of Removal/Deportation."
Incredible. What's going on at the southern border is a million times worse than Jan 6, 2021 and it is fully supported by this administration.
Townhall's @Julio_Rosas11 obtained leaked audio of DHS Sec. Alejandro Mayorkas speaking with Border Patrol agents.
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) January 27, 2022
Listen to the audio and watch his appearance on @seanhannity below.
The audio can be heard in its entirety in Julio's exclusive report: https://t.co/A9oCMBJvRD pic.twitter.com/uFcXa8OKay
NEW: Tense exchange between @CBP agents & @USBPChief today in Laredo—Chief Ortiz says they signed up for this job. Agent says, “For evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing… Good men are doing nothing. You’re allowing illegal aliens to be dropped off in communities…” pic.twitter.com/hITyachCIH
— Ali Bradley (@AliBradleyTV) January 29, 2022
Chief Ortiz has been touring border stations with @DHSgov @AliMayorkas for the past few days. At the meeting in Yuma, it was reported border agents turned their back on the Secretary. This all comes as videos are being leaked countering claims from the administration.
— Ali Bradley (@AliBradleyTV) January 29, 2022
A whole bunch of illegals (mostly single men) were delivered to the San Antonio Airport this past week and all were scheduled to fly to other destinations.
I thought the Supreme Court ruled that the Biden Administration must reinstate the Remain in Mexico policy? Why is Biden ignoring the order? If the Supreme Court's rulings aren't going to be followed and enforced, what is the point of having a Supreme Court?
I thought the Supreme Court ruled that the Biden Administration must reinstate the Remain in Mexico policy? Why is Biden ignoring the order? If the Supreme Court's rulings aren't going to be followed and enforced, what is the point of having a Supreme Court?
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
Booray said:
What is it that Joe Biden should have done to stop the 10,000 Haitians from showing up at out border? What should he do with them now that they are there?
Transportation back.
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Jen Psaki admits that she isn't aware of leaked video of Border Patrol agents ripping DHS Secretary Mayorkas and Border Patrol Chief Ortiz to their faces: pic.twitter.com/L53AO9LnXm
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) January 31, 2022
Mayorkas promised a completed investigation in "days not weeks." It has been four months. Where is the report? https://t.co/fDXs7XBgyj
— Conn Carroll (@conncarroll) January 31, 2022
NEW: Deportations down over 70% under Biden in 2021 per doc from ICEhttps://t.co/bB7A7JGtiJ
— Joe Gabriel Simonson (@SaysSimonson) February 9, 2022
Cobretti said:NEW: Deportations down over 70% under Biden in 2021 per doc from ICEhttps://t.co/bB7A7JGtiJ
— Joe Gabriel Simonson (@SaysSimonson) February 9, 2022
Well which is it, 66% or over 70%?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
The Biden admin’s open borders policy is getting Americans killed. https://t.co/1r8xzkPDZW
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) February 12, 2022
People who die from drugs brought here by illegals are xenophobic.Cobretti said:The Biden admin’s open borders policy is getting Americans killed. https://t.co/1r8xzkPDZW
— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) February 12, 2022
Right. Because this is about immigration policy, not drug policy. SMH.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
If criminals walked into your house every night and ass raped you, how long would it take you to start locking your doors?quash said:
Right. Because this is about immigration policy, not drug policy. SMH.
Would your situation be a justice problem or a security problem? Both?
Hmm, a drug than can kill people simply by them touching a grain of rice size of it, extremely cheap and addictive, pouring across the open southern border by the kilo, but instead of stopping the flow of fentanyl into the US we should what, look for root causes? Fly to Ecuador and Guatemala and visit their ambassadors? Or is addressing the problem at all xenophobic and racist? It's so hard to keep up with the emotion driven crowd these days. Edit; Oh I know, let's just hire a few hundred thousand grief counselors so the deceased's families can process the death of their loved ones.quash said:
Right. Because this is about immigration policy, not drug policy. SMH.
Wide open borders and the legalization of ALL drugs are the reasons the Libertarian Party will never be taken seriously as a legitimate third party.quash said:
Right. Because this is about immigration policy, not drug policy. SMH.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
-- Barack Obama
-- Barack Obama
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Wide open borders and the legalization of ALL drugs are the reasons the Libertarian Party will never be taken seriously as a legitimate third party.quash said:
Right. Because this is about immigration policy, not drug policy. SMH.
A total lack of understanding of what libertarians really stand for is a larger barrier. Much.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Wangchung said:Hmm, a drug than can kill people simply by them touching a grain of rice size of it, extremely cheap and addictive, pouring across the open southern border by the kilo, but instead of stopping the flow of fentanyl into the US we should what, look for root causes? Fly to Ecuador and Guatemala and visit their ambassadors? Or is addressing the problem at all xenophobic and racist? It's so hard to keep up with the emotion driven crowd these days. Edit; Oh I know, let's just hire a few hundred thousand grief counselors so the deceased's families can process the death of their loved ones.quash said:
Right. Because this is about immigration policy, not drug policy. SMH.
I don't know if you noticed but the Drug War you're fighting? You're losing (see above).
And trying to blame it on immigration policy isn't helping.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Riiiight. Focusing on how the drugs get into the country wouldn't help stop the drugs from getting into the country.quash said:Wangchung said:Hmm, a drug than can kill people simply by them touching a grain of rice size of it, extremely cheap and addictive, pouring across the open southern border by the kilo, but instead of stopping the flow of fentanyl into the US we should what, look for root causes? Fly to Ecuador and Guatemala and visit their ambassadors? Or is addressing the problem at all xenophobic and racist? It's so hard to keep up with the emotion driven crowd these days. Edit; Oh I know, let's just hire a few hundred thousand grief counselors so the deceased's families can process the death of their loved ones.quash said:
Right. Because this is about immigration policy, not drug policy. SMH.
I don't know if you noticed but the Drug War you're fighting? You're losing (see above).
And trying to blame it on immigration policy isn't helping.
Well, you're right on one point, the efforts of the Biden administration aren't helping. They sure aren't changing any immigration policies as an answer. They went the "root causes" way and the problem has never been worse. Results versus rhetoric.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
He wasn't blaming immigration policy for the drugs. If anything, he was blaming the lackluster border security.quash said:Wangchung said:Hmm, a drug than can kill people simply by them touching a grain of rice size of it, extremely cheap and addictive, pouring across the open southern border by the kilo, but instead of stopping the flow of fentanyl into the US we should what, look for root causes? Fly to Ecuador and Guatemala and visit their ambassadors? Or is addressing the problem at all xenophobic and racist? It's so hard to keep up with the emotion driven crowd these days. Edit; Oh I know, let's just hire a few hundred thousand grief counselors so the deceased's families can process the death of their loved ones.quash said:
Right. Because this is about immigration policy, not drug policy. SMH.
I don't know if you noticed but the Drug War you're fighting? You're losing (see above).
And trying to blame it on immigration policy isn't helping.
Those are two different things quash. You should know that.
Rawhide said:He wasn't blaming immigration policy for the drugs. If anything, he was blaming the lackluster border security.quash said:Wangchung said:Hmm, a drug than can kill people simply by them touching a grain of rice size of it, extremely cheap and addictive, pouring across the open southern border by the kilo, but instead of stopping the flow of fentanyl into the US we should what, look for root causes? Fly to Ecuador and Guatemala and visit their ambassadors? Or is addressing the problem at all xenophobic and racist? It's so hard to keep up with the emotion driven crowd these days. Edit; Oh I know, let's just hire a few hundred thousand grief counselors so the deceased's families can process the death of their loved ones.quash said:
Right. Because this is about immigration policy, not drug policy. SMH.
I don't know if you noticed but the Drug War you're fighting? You're losing (see above).
And trying to blame it on immigration policy isn't helping.
Those are two different things quash. You should know that.
Uh, yeah. That was exactly my point. Thanks for finally getting t.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
quash said:
Right. Because this is about immigration policy, not drug policy. SMH.
Two different issues.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Democrats warned to deny backing amnesty ahead of midterms: report
"Included in the documents Politico viewed were moves to rebut GOP talking points. The strategy reportedly included this tip: Democratic should deny support for "open borders or amnesty" and instead talk about their efforts to keep the border safe."
"Included in the documents Politico viewed were moves to rebut GOP talking points. The strategy reportedly included this tip: Democratic should deny support for "open borders or amnesty" and instead talk about their efforts to keep the border safe."
Uh, good luck with that strategy. I'm not sure exactly what they can talk about when it comes to keeping the border safe. They may want to just change the subject if asked about the border.Cobretti said:
Democrats warned to deny backing amnesty ahead of midterms: report
"Included in the documents Politico viewed were moves to rebut GOP talking points. The strategy reportedly included this tip: Democratic should deny support for "open borders or amnesty" and instead talk about their efforts to keep the border safe."
Why? Outright lying despite all evidence to the contrary is their thing.muddybrazos said:Uh, good luck with that strategy. I'm not sure exactly what they can talk about when it comes to keeping the border safe. They may want to just change the subject if asked about the border.Cobretti said:
Democrats warned to deny backing amnesty ahead of midterms: report
"Included in the documents Politico viewed were moves to rebut GOP talking points. The strategy reportedly included this tip: Democratic should deny support for "open borders or amnesty" and instead talk about their efforts to keep the border safe."
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
"My leg hurts." "Well, it's sticking out of the car door and you're slamming the door on it." "You think the way Ford makes cars matters here?!? That's two different issues!"quash said:quash said:
Right. Because this is about immigration policy, not drug policy. SMH.
Two different issues.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
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